In the wake of the Uvalde shooting, do you agree with Ben Shapiro’s thoughts on the matter?

[Anonymous]

Yes

No

[SimpleGuy95]

I disagree for the most because as far as I can see it the only solutions Republicans come with it criticising the solutions of the Democrats plus emphasising that it's an isolated case or to give out weapons to teachers.
Like seriously? Have you ever been in a public school and give those teachers guns? They are not trained gun men and women chances are that they injure a pupil before they actually hit the shooter.
Plus if they take too long to unlock the trigger lock, they are shot by the shooter. Like do you wann give the weapon to minors?
Ben Shapiro has it especially easy in such matter because he doesn't have to come with a solution himself.
The reality is nothing will change because it didn't happen to kids from a politician's family but in small town now one remembers anytime soon.
Even if the shooter violated multiple gun laws he had very easy to buy the guns. Like there comes a kid that is 18 years old goes in to a store and buys two rifles or guns and nobody cares about his background, nobody cares about his goals or mental health all the people that sold cared was money. Like all he did to get the guns was pay 4k.
I don't know what anybody else thinks but if it was so easy to break multiple laws and wasn't able to stopped it means that the governmental force and executive of Texas is either not interested in putting laws into action or not capable of doing so.
Ben shapiro is also sugar coating because alternative solutions that could actually be helpful would collide with the Republican of absolute freedom. So instead of comming with solutions he emphasises on attacking Democrats and their idea of gun control. That way he takes the whole attention on how idiotic it seems to him to control the sell of guns because that's something he wants to prevent that at all cost.
The main idea of that post is to tell people why gun control is idiotic.
Other solution could include more mental health tests that aren't voluntarily but mandatory, it also include more social groups for young people, it also could include that younger people are restricted to buy certain weapons or that older students have to go certain social groups or to work in a social field after school to get them in a new environment. It could involve counselling specialised on young adults helping them to stabilise their life.
The problem with all those ideas that even if they don't tackle the gun topics they tackle the idea of absolute freedom.
Because many of those ideas would have to intervene in the privacy and personal freedom of a young generation or worse care about them hence that would cost, time and effort most older people don't want to invest.
So at the end of the day Ben is also as any influencer shifting the blame and criticising while having no solution himself and everything stays the same.

[razelove]

Of course, there are 1.2 guns for every 1 person in America today. Anytime "gun control" goes on the news, that number goes up, along with the number of gun owners. So now let's say it's at 1.3. If even 1/4 of Americans are legal gun owners, that's still more than every active duty military in the world combined.

That's a force that cannot be mobilized, and really, whether it's right or left, you don't want them unifying for anything, as the momentum is horrific. The NRA makes up a miniscule percentage there, and they can part the bureaucratic seas on a level that MADD can.

I think the left has some dream of "guns are illegal" and we'll line up, sing kumbaya and toss guns onto a bonfire, rather than complicity from our local police in most cases. It's just so stupid. We're entering a road of no return on two issues simultaneously, while antagonizing two external forces. Poke the hornets nests of gun control and abortion, the darlings of the left and right, what they hate the most, and hold most dear. While we antagonize both Russia and China.

We're priming ourselves for a civil war while priming ourselves for two enemies that it's rough to tell how prolonged war would go with one of them. The rhetoric is only getting stronger, and no one is making any attempt to back down. Soon, if we're not already there, a path to back down won't exist, only to escalate further.

[England4eva]

It’s clearly too easy for these maniacs to access the premises. They need to strengthen the security 100%
No wonder so many are home school these days.
RIP those little babies, and may god send some peace to their families 💔

[Markm3212]

is strengthen the security at schools not just masking the issue that is at hand here? surly the removal of weapons would prevent you having to strengthen the security and turn schools into mini prisons?

[England4eva]

@Markm3212 I completely agree. I just don’t see this ever actually happening. Guns are written into American rights (can’t remember what the technical word is). In a perfect world, take away every single weapon, but I don’t think in reality this is likely to ever transpire. Too many support it, it’s a fundamental part of their culture to bare arms, and there’s a whole bunch of money involved. So, I lean to security, cause I can’t imagine enough getting on board with the other side to tip the scales. Of course, I’d love to be wrong, and an actual ban to take place. But if the odds of that happening being low, I’ll support the next best thing. Tighter security. So, that some change takes place.

[OlderAndWiser]

He has articulated his position very clearly.

[BeMuse]

Some of it is about gun grabs. Communist must disarm a population before they can brutally genocide them to pacify them. Some of it is about political security for the Democrats. That's why they play the race card to create the bogeyman that "only they can protect you from. This is why Black people always give the slave vote to Democrats. They will ignore all policy and say I'm voting Democrat because what's going on right now like dumb sheep. A lot of it is to distract you from what is really going on and not being reported. Events are constantly being memory holed so that you stay dumb and asleep. When a big even like a school shooting happens, trying ignoring it and search for what is really going on in the background. School shootings are often just a robbery... Federal aid of American tax payers gets funneled into those counties for various project. Federal funding goes into bills to fund zombie corporations to develop and manufacture new security products like bullet proof backpacks that are never used. American donations go into charity funds out of sympathy and then get embezzled into the pockets of Democrats. Think about how BLM founders sent a large amount of money through Act Blue to Democrat campaigns and bought mansions and paid millions to their family member over the OD drug addict George Flyod. Democrats are always running charity scams to defraud people of their hard earned money.

[Goforit1010]

I especially agree with his point about "Do something!" from the left. They're willing to scream that statement, but their un-said thinking is that guns are inherently and automatically bad, therefore, the "do something" idea they have in mind is confiscate them.

Obviously, that won't work as many people won't just give them up (myself included). There's also a MASSIVE ignorance concerning the US Constitution and our rights as citizens vs. the authority of the President, from individuals outside the US.

We, as citizens of the US are granted the "right" to own firearms - period. No, the President cannot make a proclamation declaring ownership of all guns illegal and give the police power to collect them (thank God for that!).

There's not one law or group of laws that can be enacted that will prevent another situation like this. The liberals, progressives, Democrats, leftists - whatever their label is, KNOW this, too!

There ARE proposals and other options that CAN be done to MINIMIZE a situation like this. Things like... locking school doors to prevent anyone from just walking in. Having armed resource Officers (police) near the main entrance to deal with anyone armed attempting to enter. Having TRAINED, armed, teachers. Practice plans to protect the children using desks as barriers, and other ideas. Those ideas and plans cost very little to immediately implement.

[ShakTreblat]

I am no fan of Ben Shapiro, but I agree with him 100%. The idea that more gun laws will prevent mass shootings is an uneducated solution that won’t solve anything. Criminals break laws, so more laws will mean nothing for them. Confiscation impedes on the rights of others and therefore is unconstitutional. However with that note, other solutions I’ve seen are as equally absurd. Arming teachers for example. That’s a TERRIBLE idea. Teachers are not trained combatants and they shouldn’t be expected to be. To me, it seems like the solutions people come up with are designed to stop mass shootings as they happen rather than prevent them all together.

[Oigit]

I do agree and in a lot of ways people need to be able to be honest with themselves and willing to accept the ugly facts that come with being honest. Laws are regulations only effect those that are willing to fallow them and not everyone is willing to do so. If introducing a law or regulation caused everyone to instantly fallow it we wouldn't need a legal system. But through out human history every human society has had some kind of legal system because not everyone is going to fallow a given law or regulation. So beveling that new laws are regulations will completely fix an issue is flawed.

[Massageman]

Absolutely. In the wake of ANY shooting!
The idiot-killers will ALWAYS- repeat- ALWAYS find a way to get their hands on a gun or guns: legally, illegally, by thievery, robbery, etc. It doesn't matter: they will get one, or two. . . . . . .
Look at Illinois (if you can stand the view); ILL and Chicago have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. But, that "state of confusion" also has a ridiculously high kill rate with guns used by the murderers.

[exitseven]

If the dems wanted to do something about gun violence they would enforce the laws already on the books. There is a law in my state that gives a mandatory year i jail for possession of an unregistered firearm. It is never enforced because it would be racist because most of the people getting arrested are gang members.

[Dargil]

The Waukesha Christmas parade attack, the Laguna Woods shooting and the New York City subway shooting don't fit into the boxes. The media snuffed them in a day or so because they didn't fit the two prescribed narratives.

[NamerOfStars]

I actually LIKE myself, so I make a point of avoiding Twitter, but what you've posted here seems pretty reasonable. Save perhaps the bit about Texas gun laws; I don't know them, so I don't know if Mr. Shapiro is correct on that point.

[MCheetah]

I don't like Ben Shapiro, but I agree with him here.

[Andres77]

When the democrats fix Chicago and Detroit and Baltimore and San Francisco and LA and new York... all of which they control and have so for decades... first fix those fuqing disasters! And THEN I'll listen to what you socialist thugs have to say.

[Andres77]

There's more security around a bank than there is at ANY single school in the US. Why? That's more important to politicians, of both parties.
Strengthen the security around the schools!
That won't stop shootings from happening in the malls but "do something" would be great if they actually did something.
The shooter already broke the law when he killed his mother. Who TF thinks that any law would have protected those kids?
"The goal of socialism is communism."
-Lenin.
It's all connected.
No one seems to give a fuck about how many kids die in Chicago every single year.
Letting democrats have more power is like giving homeless money to stay on the streets.
I was in Venezuela just as Chavez started his presidency. Caracas was great. The whole country was doing well, not perfect but very well. Now it's shyt. A whole nation! Socialism.
Just "let me blame dead kids on lawful gun owners so everyone turns on them and we can make lawful gun owners the enemy instead of the criminals that we won't even prosecute or we'll let free."

[normalice]

I don't know why he believes it must fit in one of those two boxes. Sounds like a moron, frankly.

[Asker]

Ben believes it “must fit in one of those two boxes” because of his experience arguing, debating, and conversing with the media and the side that supports gun banning, more unnecessary gun laws and control, etc.

He is referencing what the viewpoints of these groups are.

Let’s face it, certain left-leaning media will focus on news events that cater to its specific viewpoints or ulterior motives.

•white cop
•black man shot
•not enough info

The media will be all over this

But…

•black men
•daily gang violence and death

Media doesn’t even report this.

[normalice]

You mean misrepresenting the people he doesn't want you to listen to in such a way that you are emotionally satisfied believing his version and thus resist considering the possibility that it is more complicated than that.

[Asker]

It is really not misrepresenting them at all.

Ben has consistently debated and have had conversations with those on the opposite side of this topic.

So, he knows very well what the other side is saying.

[normalice]

No where is it written that just because you debate with the other side that you will forever accurately represent what they said. It is still the case that no one is stupid enough to vote Republican based on merit. So people like Ben are tasked with coming up with ways to get people to vote Republican that have nothing to do with discussing the republicans' lack of merit. With that goal in mind there simply is no incentive to put effort into a good faith portrayal of anyone who doesn't plan to vote Republican.

And Shapiro, in particular, is gifted in that he can form single sentences on the fly that would take three entry level college courses to fully explain why he's wrong. Which of course no one has time for in a real debate. In this way he actively prevents anyone he debates with from accurately representing themselves and then twists what they did say for the maximum emotional satisfaction of his followers.

[Asker]

Ben Shapiro’s education includes being a law student and graduate of Harvard University.

He frequently interviews and has conversations and debates with all sorts of people from different walks of life.

He does political commentary, amongst other things, for a living.

I’m sure he knows what he is talking about.

I think people do not like him because he is intelligent enough to simplify things AND humiliate/“destroy” or “own” liberals.

Memes such as “liberal tears” or “Ben Shapiro DESTROYS leftist” have been strictly associated with him all over the internet.

[normalice]

Yeah, you're supposed to be sure of that. Thats his whole schtick. But again, as you said yourself, his intention is to "destroy liberals," not to have an honest debate. It's easy to win debates when you only have to appear to win then. Well, easy for those who are good at crowd pleasing. It is 100% for the entertainment because he knows no one is stupid enough to vote Republican based on merit.

It doesn't matter how many people one talks to of their only goal in listening to them is to figure how to work in a zinger people will laugh at. If they aren't listening in good faith then they aren't listening.

[Asker]

No, you misunderstand that’s not his intention.

I said people don’t like him because he’s the “DESTROYS liberals” guy.

He’s a meme basically.

[normalice]

His intention is to get people to vote Republican or at least not vote Democrat. Not to decide who to vote for, but to already be decided. The "destroy liberals" thing is just for entertainment - to make it look like a right winger is beating the left at intellect, which is supposed to be the left's playing field. The thing that gets obfuscated in this is that intellect isn't a playing field. It's work. The left doesn't really like intellect - it's just useful for navigating reality. If magic existed and we could just shout zingers to make a better world, we absolutely would. But magic does not exist so work is the only way to improve anything. Entertainers like Shapiro and the rest of the republican party don't want to do any work to improve their lives so they give you wisecracks so that you will do the work to improve their lives for them.

[Jabberjaw]

Your premise was off from the jump. The media clearly pushes 1 of 2 things in regards to shooting. And if you think he's wrong you have a whole search engine afforded to you to easily disprove it.

Give examples of them not doing what he said to make your case... or I guess call it moronic and go the route of senseless argument 🤷‍♂️. Your life

[normalice]

Why? You're clearly here to confirm you bias, not question it. I could give you Shapiro himself saying its all a scam and you'd just say it was out of context. I'm not interested in wrestling with your insecurities. That was your parents' task. If you want that help you're going to have to support mental health care like everyone else.

[Jabberjaw]

Tbf you really don't know anything about me and gleaned an opinion most likely from your bias against those who don't share your views.

Putting myself in your shoes, I come to the table with facts to support my stances in the face of strong opinions if I can clearly establish it's wrong.

I'm also open to being wrong. Just pointing to your behavior in this particular thread.

[normalice]

But I came with facts and you just came in with your opinion "your premise was off" without any justification.

[Jabberjaw]

Your promise was discussing what he believes. Ben Shapiro wasn't stating what he believes, he was stating the behavior of the media. So when you say you don't understand how he could believe it and that it's moronic. Yes your premise is off

Because you inherently misinterpreted the first point that started it all. And you didn't come with facts. By facts I mean sources, proof, easily verifiable information. You gave none of that

And my comment was specifically a comment on your behavior being ignorant. Because it's ignorant to misinterpret a point, fabricate what that might mean, then go off on the conclusion you drew from a false premise...

[normalice]

No, he was stating his belief, at best. Since it doesn't actually fit in two boxes in real life it was a belief at best, a lie more likely.

[AviatorTom]

He makes several good points. Simply put, there is no solution, simple or otherwise.

[CAPTAIN-OBVIOUS]

The problem is we have a huge problem with white supremacy so we must solve that issue first then we can go to solve shootings then solve poverty

[BillyBalls]

The Texas shooter was Hispanic... not white!!!

[CAPTAIN-OBVIOUS]

You must not know this but he was trying to be white. It’s common among Hispanics to adopt white supremacy mentality even other minorities do this so anytime a poc does a school shooting, he is trying to be like white people.

[Avicenna]

He‘s absolutely right

[Cubus]

I actually cannot add anything to what he said.

[joeldalton]

Yup, it's 100% right.