Hey Pro Abortion nuts how about trying this NOVEL IDEA? If you don't want a kid exercise control over your reproductive system and not get pregnant?

[BillyBalls]

Pro Abortion nuts say that only a woman should be in control of her body.

Well that is 100% correct.

How about women taking control over their reproductive systems and not getting pregnant if they don't want a kid?

Problem Solved!

Everyone is happy!!!

WHAT A NOVEL IDEA!!!

[ChrisMaster69]

First off, women on birth control get pregnant.

women do get raped.

Not all early phase foetus are healthy, fail blood tests and scans,

There are a raft of medical reasons for an abortion.

what if the pregnant woman has cancer and needs cancer treatment.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/24/1107316711/doctors-ethical-bind-abortion?t=1656140761478

i guess it must be great living in Iran, sorry I mean the US, easy mistake to make I guess. Both countries where religion is used to force laws through.

[BillyBalls]

What does all this nonsense have to to do with the irresponsible females who use abortion on demand as a last resort contraception?

[ChrisMaster69]

Well if you managed to get out of Mummys basement, you would realise there is far more to the bill than, not just getting pregnant.

Oral contraceptives for example can prove ineffective if you have a bad stomach, sickness type of thing, the girl ends up pregnant but does not realise she is pregnant. She’s been on the pill 10 years without any problems.

Then there are what if she now finds out she will be having twins but both with severe medical conditions, they do not endanger her life but will be vegetative for say 2 years until they die, fed by tube, in pain.

Normally these would be surgical abortions, however in places like Oklahoma, you can’t have them.

This is what happens when Religious fuckwits interfere with laws, look at Iran, that’s where the US is heading.

[BillyBalls]

I was born with a physical defect.

Who are you or anyone else entitled to say that given my disability, I should have been aborted?

[ChrisMaster69]

Nope but if it had been severe enough then that should have been an option.

Yes life is shit but at some point a decision has to be made.

Assuming you plan to have kids, how far down that route would you go

No arms or legs and tube fed
Brain damaged severely so cannot speak, hear or see
With internal inoperable tumours that will mean death within 6 months to a year.

It’s not just about that single foetus, it’s also about the other 2 or 3 children the emotional strain on a family.

Yes it’s a crap thing, no one ever said it’s great

[BillyBalls]

How about race?

Would it be a fair statement to say that all black women should have abortions because black lives have no value?

[ChrisMaster69]

@billyballs eh, what’s ethnicity got to do with it?

Why bring that up

However back to my original thing are you okay a baby born with any level of medical condition and disability?
Yes or No

When I say any I mean those that mean death in days or weeks
Where there is severe brain impairment.

[ArrRenn]

Billy, this has nothing to do with you personally. The fall of Roe will not stop YOU from getting an abortion, will it?

This is primarily about who controls their own body. Women should not be blamed, nor made to suffer unnecessarily, for the inextricable connection to the child in her body. If you, for instance, want to be allowed to drink alcohol or smoke marijuana or masturbate with melons, why should anyone else tell you that you cannot?

It's your body.

And before you go about speaking for the unborn child, answer this: what has been put in place for after the child is born? Who cares about this child after it is born unwanted? You? Will you take it in and care for it?

When the same people who howl in outrage over abortion put their money where their mouths are and provide for the multitude of children who will now be born UNWANTED, then we can talk.

[ArrRenn]

You were born with a defect. How does that give you the authority or the privilege of telling women that they should not have the same autonomy over their bodies that you have?

This is NOT about you.

[Goforit1010]

Now stop saying all that logical stuff, dang it! Liberals HATE to be confronted with facts, logic, reason, and sound advice.

Given this IS the 21st century, AND given the FACT there's several contraceptives available for everyone (to include abstinence), the focus SHOULD be on "preventing" pregnancy, not complaining the most horrific process of ending one has been approved to be stopped.

Obviously, there's a massive moral decay in this country. Having sex outside of marriage 💑 seems to be far too common.

[ArrRenn]

"Liberals HATE to be confronted with facts, logic, reason..."

Please present some.
________________________________

And speaking of facts: Contraceptives are not always in place to prevent pregnancy by rape.
And speaking of facts: a ten-year-old girl got pregnant—I guess nobody had gotten around to talking with her about birth control—and had to travel to another state to get an abortion. (https://bringmethenews. com/minnesota-news/south-dakota-gov-kristi-noems-response-to-10-year-old-ohio-girl-pregnant-after-being-raped)
And speaking of facts: An 11-year-old girl was forced to carry the child she bore after being raped by a 43-year-old man... and she died days after miscarrying.
And speaking of facts: Another 11-year-old girl was forced to carry the child she carried (yes, she had been raped by a family member) and the judge played headgames with the girl to make her continue with pregnancy. (https://news. yahoo. com/judge-brazil-ordered-10-old-155532018. html? guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIcP80eCl-WvhMTJrtm0FSid2FB7D76a-ustFhS1e_iC8Su6Li3HJzECgW-3H9OsNCvmy47SByT2W1-3737aZZlK792zIRYthEyBEFBhMGKdC5J7ooANe0iJu5IjAq27kHgP-1m-L585MNvjYhaczfHUMybsvasJ2vvQNOsoBU0_)

The moral decay in this country has nothing whatever to do with women deciding to end an unwanted pregnancy. The moral decay is manifesting as society (run, as it is, by men) trying to force women back into the role of a brood sow.

[Jessica405]

That does not take into account that no contraceptive is 100% perfect. Accidents happen. It is because men and women do not want kids that they use contraception. I, for one, do not want to have kids. I do not want to waste 7 1/2 years at uni in having to look after a screaming brat. Not to mention the enormous financial costs in being at uni for that time. I want to stay in research, trying to find ways of defeating the inevitable armageddon that will come with quantum computers.

[Jessica405]

Better still, us women could go on a sex strike. I managed perfectly well until I was 22 using just my fingers!

[ArrRenn]

I suppose that is fine and dandy, J405, but a sex strike won't prevent rape.

And an angry straight male populace will forgive itself easily, making any number of excuses for their actions. The same way they have managed to get over war after war after war.

[sage2021]

OMG, they don't want a solution to a problem. God forbid!!! Noon! Then they wouldn't have anything to bitch about. They like to fight for everything. It's their drug of choice because they get an adrenaline rush from screaming all the time.

[OlderAndWiser]

Youhave made life TOO simple for these pro-choice snakes.

[nachosaresexy]

What brilliant advice would @billyballsack offer women in situations like this?https://jezebel.com/interview-with-a-woman-who-recently-had-an-abortion-at-1781972395

[nachosaresexy]

still thinking on this one, @billyballs?

[Friendlybro79]

Dear ignoramus,

Sometimes women don't have control over their reproductive system when a rapist forces their seed into a woman's body. Sometimes these victims are minors too.

Sometimes a man and a woman wanting to have a child have complications and the woman has no control over the fact that these complications could kill her during child birth. I guess her life doesn't matter.

How about you worry about your body and yours alone.

[BillyBalls]

My body was once in the uterus of a woman.

Why should I face a death sentence due to that fact?

[FunkyMonkee]

Hey, anti-abortion psychos, how about this novel idea: you're girlfriend, sister or wife gets raped and it gets her pregnant! Or, one of them gets pregnant by any means and then finds out it's going to kill her!! Fun times, hunh?

[BillyBalls]

Do tell!!

Of the abortions performed over the last 50 years, how many were a result of rape.

The point is, your argument for abortion on demand because rape happens doesn't hold water!!

[FunkyMonkee]

I already did.

Sounds like something you could use this wonderful new tool called, The Internet, to look up the answer to!

So? How about all the women that aren't gonna be allowed to abort, now, resorting to using coat hangers to do it themselves and either ruin their chances of having kids anymore or even dying because of it? That's probably the biggest reason it was legalized in the first place!

[BillyBalls]

@FunkyMonkee How about if they don't get pregnant?

Or are women so weak they can't control their bodily functions?

[FunkyMonkee]

Contraceptives are still not 100% accurate.

[BillyBalls]

Do you seriously believe that most abortions are caused by the failure of contraception?

[driven159]

that would work if people were smart but if they were smart, they would not do 100 miles an hour down the highway would not shoot guns in the air or maybe the rounds burn up like comets or maybe they wouldn't do drugs smoke eat too much run red lights drive drunk

[Smashingdoozy]

What happens to it takes two to tango? You're the only reason women get pregnant. So yeah we'll take control and just not have sex until this is all set right.

[Anonymous]

You're 100% right!!! They should take care of themselves instead of killing an innocent human being.

[Redstang88]

Accidents still happen even with precautions. And I personally find life a whole lot better without meddling in others personal lives

[BillyBalls]

If you don't want to meddle in others' lives why have any laws?

[Redstang88]

Because most laws are created to stop people from hurting others in some way or another

[BillyBalls]

But why is it up to you to meddle in what others do?

[Anonymous]

If the human race was 100% logical and mature your comments would make sense. Ironically, the tone in your posting demonstrates that we don't live in such a utopian world.

[BillyBalls]

So my tone invalidates a true statement?

[Opinion Owner]

I realise you're being a bit provocative and I'll play along.
The only way to 100% not get pregnant is to not have sex, ever. I deem that unrealistic.
There are a small band of women that do not take responsibility as you suggest. That will always be the case for anything. I regard it unfair to suggest the majority act similarly.

[BillyBalls]

Given the annual number of abortions on demand, it says many women do not take control over their reproductive systems.

[ArrRenn]

Billy, the question is whether it is ethical and moral to codify the restriction of an individual right. I submit to you that it is simply not acceptable, morally or ethically, for anyone to tell another person what they can do with their own body. Imagine a law outlawing tattoos – it's your body, so why should you not get a tattoo? The question of abortion is thornier still, but it is—at the end of the day—a consideration of one person's right to choose. That person's choice has no impact on you, does not make you a better or worse person either way – but that person's loss of their choice is a stain on everyone who chooses to use their choice to take choice away from another.

[BillyBalls]

@ArrRenn Ask any OB/GYN doctor about treating a pregnant woman.

He will tell you he is dealing with two separate entities each with its own physical characteristics.

To use the tattoo analogy is simple minded.

Now you can play all the word games you want but it will not change the fact that there are two bodies involved in a pregnancy. Abortion by biological definition kills human life. If you say otherwise, you are a science denier.

[ArrRenn]

I am quite clear on the existence of two lives, Billy. I also know that the unborn baby cannot choose to abort the mother.

Since this is not a decision you will ever have to make for yourself, you should stop trying to make it for another. When the child is born to a woman who does not want it, you will not have to bear the expense of caring for the child or live with the constant reminder of either the reason you got pregnant or everything you lost by not being able to end the pregnancy. When a woman actually has an abortion, she—NOT you—will have to remember what she did.

Taking a stand against abortion does not make you a saint. Forcing women back into the awful choices and options of pre-Roe times makes "pro-lifers" monsters.

[BillyBalls]

@ArrRenn The choice of the women is not to get pregnant if she doesn't want a kid.

Women actually need to exercise control over their reproductive systems. Don't give me the nonsense of "It's my choice" bullshit... choose not to get pregnant in the first place.

Given the number of annual abortions, don't give the nonsense that birth control can fail and rape happens. Do you actually think that most abortions are a result of rape of the failure of contraception?

[Anonymous]

I agree we should not have sex with men until we are married and want kids.

[jengeorge26]

Thank you

[Anonymous]

Fighting a battle with my doctor now over getting my tubes tied. I’ll fix that.

[CloudMassacre]

Nobody ever gets pregnant from accidents or rape or has health complications

[BillyBalls]

How does a person get pregnant via an accident?

[CloudMassacre]

The condom breaking, the other birth control failing

[BillyBalls]

That is still not an accident.

[Cubus]

People are quite selfish (not everyone of course). Their comfort is more important for them, than someone's else life.

[Massageman]

Yes!

handy hint
keep your pants ON instead of getting them tied in a knot!

[fireforeffect]

Correct! You should not be having Sex until you are married.

[Jessica405]

Why not? What difference does marriage make? It only panders to religious organisations. I do not want to ever be married. It would not make me happier, richer, live longer, or anything else you can think of. I do not want kids, either.

[BillyBalls]

@Jessica405 Then do the adult thing and don't get pregnant!!

[Jessica405]

I am!

[fireforeffect]

@Jessica405
actually studies show that it does help you live longer.

[Jessica405]

I doubt it makes much difference. It is all psychological. Marriage was invented by humans. It is not a natural state. So, psychologically, I am happier just living with my partner. No need for marriage.

[fireforeffect]

@Jessica405
Actually, being married Does help you live longer.

[Jessica405]

Only for those that believe in marriage. For the rest of us, it makes no difference. There is no physical reason for me to live longer, and certainly no mental or emotional reason either.

I would need a full citation to understand how they came to the conclusion you say.

[fireforeffect]

@Jessica405
Google it.

[Jessica405]

I never use Google. Anyway, I am too happy to bother. It makes sod all difference to me. I would need to know exactly how they conducted their experiment. How they could extrapolate into future events.

As a scientist, I question everything and accept nothing until it is proved objectively.

[fireforeffect]

@Jessica405
You are a scientist... Yeah Right LMFAO!!!

[Jessica405]

ROFLMAO, too!! You have no idea what I do. Or why I spent 7 years at uni. I do not really care what you think. You are showing your own ignorance.

[fireforeffect]

@Jessica405
If you really were a scientist, you would know that life begins at conception, and that is human life as proved by the DNA in each cell.
You can lie about what you are and what you do But spending seven years in university can mean that you are simply a poor student with rich parents.

I have four Masters, and most assuredly better educated than you.

[Jessica405]

Suit yourself. I have a PhD. So does my partner.

Actually, life starts way before conception. It starts when a sperm is formed. So up yours!

[fireforeffect]

@Jessica405
The Sperm is preexisting life. Sorry you lose again.

[Jessica405]

Bullshit! A sperm can be alive or dead. Most guys have a mixture.

Anyway, as I said, suit yorself. Stop trolling ang being so childishly pedantic.

Normally, I take a pride in not blocking other GAG users. In your case, you have little to say thatvis in any way useful.

[fireforeffect]

@Jessica405
Just because you have lost the argument is not my fault.

[Jessica405]

I do not give a fuck. I am pro-choice and that's all there is to it.

[fireforeffect]

@Jessica405
You had your choice when you had sex without Birth control. You had your choice when you took part is a practice that is intended to create Babies.

You really are incredibly ignorant not to understand this!

[Iron_Man]

Roe versus wade was finally overturned 😊 👍

[josephinelcajon]

👏 ABSOLUTELY

[Arwen06]

Rape?

[Agagagagaga]

Use the goddamn Morning After pill for emergency contraception. It’s very widely available and can be found in all major pharmacies.

I really wish women would stop saying, “But what about rape?” Emergency contraception has been around for many, many years and is highly effective at preventing unwanted pregnancies whether a condom broke with your boyfriend or a creepy uncle diddled you.

[Arwen06]

What if you are in a controlling relationship and you can't just go out and buy the pill, idiot

[nachosaresexy]

@Agagagagaga what brilliant advice would you have to offer to women in situations like this?

jezebel.com/interview-with-a-woman-who-recently-had-an-abortion-at-1781972395

[Arwen06]

Not just rape, what about when the mother's life is at risk, would you happily kill your wife to just deliver fetus?

[JamesDiaz11]

This what-if nonsense just gets so far into the realm of fantasy, that is ignores the fact that less than 1% of abortions are from rape/ incest. They're typically just women being irresponsible.
"Well what if a woman is raped, and she is kept in a shed for six months, and beaten, and when she finally escapes she then also realizes she has a hereditable disease, which would make any life hard on a baby, and she's broke, and she just got beaten again, and the guy is after, and also what if she's just a sad girl, who may not be good to give birth, and what IFFFF the person who raped her was her brother, who also worked for the FBI, and was also a US Senator with a lot of power, and WHAT IFFFF it's gonna be really hard..."

[nachosaresexy]

@JamesDiaz11 reading is hard.

[Arwen06]

So shall we just make all health care illegal as the chances of you getting sick is low so what's the point?

[Jessica405]

@Agagagagaga You obviously know nothing about that! It only delays ovulation until sperm inside die off. If you have just ovulated, you are stuffed! Start planning your baby's bedroom!

[Agagagagaga]

@Jessica405 www.mayoclinic.org/.../pac-20394730

“ Morning-after pills can help prevent pregnancy if you've had unprotected sex — either because you didn't use birth control, you missed a birth control pill, you were SEXUALLY ASSAULTED or your method of birth control failed.”

“ For maximum effectiveness, emergency contraception should be started as soon as possible after unprotected intercourse, and within 120 hours. You can take emergency contraceptive pills anytime during your menstrual cycle.”

There you go. From the doctors at the goddamn Mayo Clinic. I’m not saying this. THEY ARE.

[Jessica405]

@Agagagagaga So, it does not say it is 100% effective. Only that you can maximise effectiveness. In other words, get in quick BEFORE you ovulate!

[Agagagagaga]

@Jessica405 Nothing is 100% effective. If you’re looking for 100% you’re going to be disappointed in life. Abortions aren’t even 100% effective. Sometimes complications occur. Sometimes people hemorrhage or develop blood clots. Sometimes people even die. It’s rare, but it happens. Not 100% effective. 🤷‍♂️

I’m very pro-choice by the way, but the way everyone is wringing their hands and acting as if the goddamn sky is falling is ridiculous.

[Jessica405]

@Agagagagaga Childbirth has similar pitfalls.

[Agagagagaga]

@Jessica405 So then what do you have your panties in a bunch about?

[jengeorge26]

Yes, great idea…

[Anonymous]

Exactly my point.