Do you think abortion is birth control?

[Anonymous]

Just a FYI although I’m pro life I am also VERY pro birth control. I support state sponsored birth control including plan B but I draw the line on abortion.

I also support research into advanced contraceptive initiatives. They say no contraceptive is 100% effective but they are getting close.

But I do not for second consider abortion “birth control”. In rare cases of rape, incest or danger to the mothers health it may be permissible.

Also if pre natal testing determines there is something seriously wrong with the baby then it’s debatable to make that decision.

No it’s fetal murder

Yes it’s just a “clump of cells”

Updates

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Actually when it comes to semantics I stand corrected on how I could of worded this better. I should of asked “Do you think abortion is a form of contraceptive i. e. no morally worse than wearing a condom or taking the pill?

[ChrisMaster69]

By wording and technicality yes it is a control on birth.

However it’s not that simple, it is there as freedom of choice, it’s about democracy and not religion.

contraception is 100% perfect and various reasons can occur that results in pregnancy, the girl may have a stomach bug and her oral contraception that has worked for last 10 years fails.

with emergency contraception there are very specific timescales of 72 hours and 120 hours, after that it will not work.

it then relies usually on pregnancy kit and or doctor to confirm if pregnant.

this means a girl who has been on contraception for years becomes pregnant and misses that emergency contraception window.

Some girls actually get to the fuck I’m giving birth stage before they realise they are pregnant.

Then you have the various real world challenges for say a 17 - 18 yr old who falls pregnant due to the above say. Say she’s that pretty blonde stereotype who wants college and a career, went to a party had sex with some black guy.

Her pill fails but she does not realise she’s pregnant, misses period, has test, then her very white parents threaten to disown her and her child.

What does she do, she’s worked her arse off for college, one mistake and her life is ruined, her family will kick her out and no college, no great job..

Then there are honour killings, this is where a girl gets pregnant and it’s not a Simple kicked out of the house, it’s death for bringing dishonour to family.

Abortion gives those who need it a choice, a democratic choice, they do not have to have an abortion. They have the choice.

also for the majority of women that have one, it lives with them for life.

what it should not be is a religious politically driven decision.

it also should not be used as a political football to score points and prove who has control.

it can be fairly controlled but complete bans remove that freedom of choice.

Then there is the elephant in the room which is the care / foster care system

[Lliam]

I agree with you 100% about contraception.

Technically, abortion is birth control, but not contraception.

There can be numerous reasons to justify an abortion - rape, incest, danger to the mothers health, failure of contraception, or a simple mistake. I've known women who got pregnant because they were young and stupid, had early term abortions, and learned from their mistake. Their lives and the lives of others would have been badly effected if they had carried their pregnancies.

Chemical abortion up to 8 weeks doesn't bother me at all. I don't even have a problem with early term abortion within 16 weeks. But earlier is far better. I don't know why a woman would take longer than that to realize that she was pregnant and make a decision as to what's best for herself and her potential child.

I do have a big problem with later term abortions unless the woman's health is at risk or if there is something wrong with the fetus.

I am disgusted by women who engage in serial abortion as a form of birth control. I would be in favor of a three strikes and your out policy, after which she is forcibly sterilized. She has demonstrated too much ignorance, carelessness and callousness to ever care for a child properly.

[Asker]

“ Technically, abortion is birth control, but not contraception”. - You made a very good point about semantics there.

[Lliam]

I already talked about abortions. They are a sad necessity. I don't judge a woman negatively if she had one due to one of the circumstances listed previously. I don't judge a woman as immoral even if it was she who made a mistake that led to the decision to abort. In fact, in many cases, her decision might be the most moral choice under the circumstances.

I had two different girlfriends when I was very young (15-16 years old) who had gotten early term abortions before I met them. They had each been in one relationship and gotten accidentally pregnant at the ages of 13 or 14 years old. They had been young and made a stupid mistake. by falling into infatuation and thinking they were in love. You know, storybook fantasies. But they were really good girls with healthy libidos, strong values and normal hopes and dreams. Nothing slutty about them. They just didn't fully realize the risks of having sex. As soon as they found out they were pregnant they, along with their parents, they made the difficult decision to abort. After that mistake, they learned their lesson.

That leads to the question of contraceptives.

[Lliam]

I'm very hesitant to say that having an abortion is immoral. in some cases, it may be. I guess it depends on the woman's attitude.

Contraception, on the other hand is a gift. There's not one, single, tiny immoral thing about it. It allows men and women to experience the joys of sex without producing more and more children. Sex is one of the most wonderful things we can experience in life. It's good that we can celebrate it without the downside of pregnancy.

I think of wives in the past, before birth control, who would have one child after another. My wife has 10 siblings.

[Asker]

@lliam I think both conservatives and liberals need to find a very strong middle ground on this. Liberals need to give up abortion. Conservatives need to be willing to pay extra taxes for birth control. But both need to work together to do all what’s possible to prevent red from meeting white.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Yes, it is. You're literally controlling birth.

That said, I agree that abortion shouldn't be used as a substitute for pre-insemination contraception.

Contraception like IUDs, the pill, reversible vasectomies for young men (not all can be reversed, so young men would have to choose this for themselves if interested), and condoms should be the first line of defense.

Contraception and comprehensive sex education should be mandatory in all schools and districts. The more educated your youth are, the less likely they are to get pregnant and be unprepared for it.

[SphynxUK]

Loosely described, it could be deemed as birth control, but it isn’t.
It’s not there for someone to have unprotected sex, get pregnant and then decide nope, I don’t want this baby, only for it be be repeated again and again. (It does happen, I know people irl)
It is there as a choice when the parent/s have no other option. It could be personal reasons or health concerns. It’s not something to be done without long consideration, as in some cases, it isn’t the ‘only’ option.

[Asker]

I have had heard of women who have had 3+ abortions. That’s heinous.

[SphynxUK]

Indeed. It’s not uncommon. And there's the other end of the scale where they have endless children, but end up keeping none of them, with them all ending up in care….

[Asker]

@sphynxuk and really this is all personal responsibility issue.

Honestly I am again all for state sponsored birth control. Hell I think teen girls should be able to get IUDs or that new arm injection free of charge and without parental consent. That sounds crazy but it’s way better than the alternative. Let’s do everything to prevent white from meeting red.

As for guys they are coming out with new birth control options beyond vasectomies and condoms. But so far they are more complicated and might have long term side effects.

[EmyyWolf]

Yes!!
Its birth control because you don’t want to be a parent. You’re not ready or too poor, too young or too stupid to be one.

And if it’s early enough great! If you take a an abortion pill.. also great.
You shouldn’t be forced to be parent, just because a bunch of BRAIN-DEAD SNOWFLAKES think it’s a crime. The SNOWFLAKES aren’t the ones that are gonna have to raise it , or parent it, or while it’s @$$.

It’s selfish to tell someone that they should become a PARENT due to their own ignorant views.

[EmyyWolf]

The SNOWFLAKES aren’t gonna be the ones to WHIPE ITS A$$! You Are!

[Subarugirl]

Actually, by medical definition birth control and an abortion are different. Birth control prevents pregnancy from happening in the first place. An abortion stops an existing pregnancy.

[Asker]

@emyywolf is it selfish to tell people to take personal responsibility for their decisions and USE BIRTH CONTROL. I’m all for state sponsored birth control by the way. But I draw the line on abortion

[EmyyWolf]

Yeah! Exactly!!! There ya go!!
It’s selfish to “draw a line on abortion”

CAUSE YOU ain't THE ONE WHO WILL WHIPE THE BABY’S ASS!

YOU aren't THE ONE WHO WILL BE ECONOMICALLY AFFECTED BY THIS.

Are you now?

[Subarugirl]

actually, economically, everyone is affected by it, population directly impact ecenomics... I think you mean financially

[Asker]

@emyywolf hey I tried to reasonable with you but you just aren’t having it. Hey best of luck out there.

[EmyyWolf]

That’s no reasonable buddy

[Asker]

@emyywolf will let’s reasonably agree to disagree. Best of luck out there.

[EmyyWolf]

Are YOU about to WHIPE my baby’s a—ss and feed it?
😂😂😂

[Asker]

Ironically I did hold and feed my baby niece last evening.

[EmyyWolf]

Yeah. Are you gonna do that for eternity and for every single mother that you force parenthood on?

[MCheetah]

I do not for second consider abortion 'birth control'."

Well, other people do, and they don't consider abortion to be "murder" anymore than you jerking off into a paper towel to be "murder" of hundreds of 'innocent babies.' It's as simple as that.

[Cherry234]

No, it isn't. Most women don't take abortion lightly. Trust me, no woman wants to be put into this type of situation. It's scary and disheartening to ever have to make this decision. Abortion should only be considered if a woman tries everything to prevent herself from becoming pregnant. Abortion is a complex issue. It's not black and white.

[Cherry234]

And ofc I'm for abortion in the cases you mentioned like rape/incest and danger to the mother's health or life.

[Anonymous]

I am extremely pro-choice. However, abortion used as birth control is immoral. There is no logical, legal, religious or medical reason for it to be used in such a fashion.

There are many alternative means to avoid falling pregnant.

It is the fault of the woman, and the man, for being uneducated, ignorant, etc. More often than not such people don't contribute much of anything to society and unfortunately sterilization is illegal.

[Asker]

I am pro life but i actually agree with you. If you read what I wrote beneath the poll you will see where I am coming from. I’m VERY pro birth control. I fully support state sponsored birth control and I say that as a conservative.

[Anonymous]

BOOK OF ENOCH

CHAPTER 99

In those days, the women shall become pregnant, but they the sinners shall come out and abort their infants and cast them out from their midst; they shall also abandon their other children, casting their infants out while they are still suckling. They shall neither return to them their babes nor have compassion upon their beloved ones.”

BOOK OF ENOCH

CHAPTER 69

And the fifth was angel named Kasdeja: this is he who showed the children of men all the wicked smitings of spirits and demons, and the smitings of the EMBRYO in the womb, that it may pass away

[DizzyDesii]

I just feel like A condom is not actually affecting the body from going through a natural reproductive process like birth control does. I prefer to fck raw but aside from that, I would never do birth control and i dont support abortion

[Asker]

Oh I agree f*cking raw feels absolutely wonderful. But I will only do that when I know the girl really well and I trust her to be on birth control. I have always been very paranoid about that. I’ve actually slept with lots of women over the years and some of them would of made horrible mothers. Or if they decided to abort my child then I would be horrified.

Anyway lots of people just want to fuck irresponsibly and use abortion as a safety net to avoid responsibility. That’s disgusting. It’s like keeping an ambulance at the bottom of a cliff to pick up adrenaline sight seers who look to far over the edge vs. doing the right thing a building a f*cking fence to prevent people from falling of the cliff.

[DizzyDesii]

I wouldn't fck him at all if he slept with a bunch previously. But if he's slept with few and we’ve dated almost a year then we’d get tested then fck raw. I dont believe in birth control

[Asker]

Well there are people who throw caution to the wind and fuck raw on first dates. They don’t want to take responsibility hence abortion is a fail safe option for them. That bs has to end.

[Anonymous]

To the feeble minded, it probably is birth control. I think the government shouldn't pay for abortions or birth control.

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl

Less expensive for who?

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl

Are you saying that if the government stopped paying for birth control and abortions, then women would just have the baby?

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl

If you can't afford a condom, then don't spread your legs.

I watched a stupid black woman on TV.

Black woman: Duh gubment has all duh money.
Reporter: Who is the government.
Black woman: Obama, and he has all duh money.

Many people are really that fucking stupid. You and I ARE the government, and I'm not buying your fucking condoms for you. I don't mind buying mine, but I'm not buying yours. Grow up, and take responsibility for your life.

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl

So you agree that the government shouldn't have to pay for your condoms?

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand reproductive education.

There's a black idiot on YouTube that has 22 kids from 22 mothers. Never been married and doesn't pay child support. He said he doesn't pay child support cuz duh gubmint give me a good job.

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl

What are you struggling with? Maybe I can teach you.

[Opinion Owner]

@Subarugirl

I'm not angry at all. I answered a simple question on this site, and you became some goofy stalker. lol
I don't know why people do that. It seem insane to me. I have my own opinion on the government paying for abortions and birth control, and you somehow think you can change my opinion with your nonsense. Just post you own opinion and leave me alone.

I would never stalk you on your post and try and peddle my shit. You are entitled to your opinion, and so am I. Grow the fuck up.

I'm not paying for your birth control. If you can't afford it, tough shit.
I'm not paying for your abortion, but I will help you find a job washing dishes.
And the government shouldn't pay you to sit at home and watch TV with your baby. The baby should be put in a government paid for PRIVATE daycare, and you will go work 8 hours per day on the government farm to earn money to take care of your kid.

[jshm2]

No.

That's like saying "is going to jail like getting free hotel and board, courtesy of the taxpayer?"

The process and laws of abortion are known. Whereas contraception has many different other uses and medical outcomes.

[Subarugirl]

Bing pro life and supporting plan B is contradictory don't you think... it induces and menstrual cycle to flush out the egg weather it has been fertilized or not.
Abortion isn't birth control its a part of women's reproductive health care.
Every pregnancy put's the mother's health at risk. Gestational diabetes, hypertension, preeclampsia, infections, blood clots. Hundreds of thousands of women die each year due to pregnancy related complications.

[BlackBeauty90]

Then get your tubes tied. Simplest answer.

[Asker]

Maybe you should do some more research before parroting leftist sound bites (e. g. abortion is reproductive “healthcare” my ass).

Plan B is NOT abortion www.goodrx.com/.../is-plan-b-considered-abortion

[Subarugirl]

I never said that it was abortion, I said that plan B induces a menstrual cycle…so even if the egg has been fertilized, it gets flushed out. I am very familiar with plan b works and how it doesn’t. I got pregnant at 19 because plan b failed.
And actually abortions do fall into the healthcare field just as labor and delivery does. But hey I’ve only been pregnant and given birth to a human being… so what do I know about any of this?

[Subarugirl]

@BlackBeauty90 yeah and it would be an easy solution in a perfect world but it’s not. My doctor flat out refused to do it when I brought it up because she said that I was too young and that my husband might want kids later on…. Interestingly enough a lot of women have experienced the same thing

[Asker]

@subarugirl you are a mother?

[Subarugirl]

I am a mother

[Asker]

@subarugirl hmm that really surprises me tbh. I can see how you might have complex feelings about all of this.

[Subarugirl]

actually they are very straight forward. Especially as someone who has gone through all of it and experienced it first hand.

[Asker]

@subarugirl I don’t want come off as patronizing when I say this. However there will come a day when your child gets older and realizes the predicament you were in at 19. They will be thankful you gave them an opportunity to live (whether why say it or not).

Again you may currently have regrets about all of this but I have no doubt that 10 to 20 years from now you might feel differently.

[Subarugirl]

Of course it was my choice, and regardless of the choice that I decided to make I don't believe any one has the right to tell someone what they can and cannot do to their own body. That should be between that person and their doctor and that is it. I don't regret the choice I made, and I am more than thankful that I had the ability to make it. If my views on reproductive rights weren't changed then, they won't ever change.

[Asker]

@subarugirl do you realize I am trying to find a legitimate third option aka strong middle ground on all of this?

I personally think both sides are too radical and simplistic on all of this. We put all this energy into arguing “my body my choice” vs “abortion is murder” but what I am proposing is let’s do everything possible to prevent white from meeting red.

I know your situation didn’t work out. Sorry it went that way. But honestly the vast majority of unwanted pregnancies could be prevented if we had widespread effective, free and yes “encouraged” birth control.

I think teen girls (as young as middle school as crazy at that sounds) should be able to get free contraceptions such as the pill, IUD, arm injection, etc without parental consent. That puts me at odds with many conservatives but again it prevents bigger problems from happening.

Free, effective and encouraged birth control should be the front and center of the national political conversation. Not abortion.

[Subarugirl]

By regulating what woman can do to her own body. I don’t see you advocating for men to be forced to get vasectomies…. After all it’s less invasive, less of risk and less expensive over all if you calculate the cost of the alternatives out there for women. It makes more sense to take the bullets out of a gun then it does to wear a bullet proof vest and hope that works… doesn’t that make more sense than forcing a woman or child to risk her life, health and quality of life to carry a fetus to term and then give birth.

[Cubus]

Sadly some women use this as birth control, which has no moral justification.

[Anonymous]

If you force a woman to have a baby from rape or incest, you’re a fucking monster.

[Asker]

And of course I think abortion is permissible in those rare circumstances. But most abortions do not come from pregnancies resulting in rape/incest.

[Asker]

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[DarkWinterNights]

Why do you guys always default to the most extreme circumstances?

[Asker]

@DarkWinterNights did you read my commentary I put into this poll?

[SnakeBoop]

while it is just a clump of cells to me, abortion is NOT a form of birth control to me.

[douride2]

in my opinion the biggest problem with abortion is far to many people use it as a form of birth control. Which it was never meant to be.

[dustybiker]

It’s usually far more complicated than a single label.

[Snsl153]

State-sponsored birth control? Is that a thing over there in the U. S?

[Anonymous]

Of course it is not. Abortion is an ultimate resource that no woman wants to go through

[Anonymous]

Neither option is acceptable.. It's more somewhere in the middle.. On that same token I do NOT believe in abortion as birth control.. I'm more of the mind set that it's only OK in the cases of rape and incest..

[Echosoul]

It's an emergency option like surgery isn't preferred but necessitated in some situations. Better to avoid the situation in the first place but if that doesn't work.

[mark_wazowski]

It's clearly a murder, and women also suffer and hurt...

[Better_off_here]

whether or not the child is a human being already i think that it is the choice of the woman, and the child does not need to be brought into a world that may not want it and is not ready for it too.