For those you of that are anti abortion do you believe in exceptions to having an abortion if so what they are?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I think abortions are appropriate if the life of the mother is at serious risk or incest has happened. Those are my only two exceptions to having an abortion.

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After consideration I would also add rape to the exception as well.

[Malgaran]

Man every time I come back to this site it just seem to nosedive deeper and deeper into stupidity.

Anyone who is anti abortion, is anti life, ironically, lets be real. They do not care one bit about children or life. Being anti abortion, you are just advocating for more death, torture and suffering. Quality of life matters, we don't need more kids in more broken homes.

99% of all abortions happen before 25weeks where science in general agree this is the first signs of consciousness that appear. So the people who claim "murder babies" have really no idea what they are even talking about. Secondly isn't it funny, how once said baby is born, nobody gives a shit about it. People somehow think they are morally superior by this attitude of sparing a life of misery is worse than condemning it to a life time of suffering. Say if in a rape case a women is forced to give birth to a baby, it would be practically impossible to love that baby, if anything it would be normal for her to even hate her own child, it would be normal to even be abusive towards the child cause of what happen to her, this would be the normal response to something that was forced against you. You would naturally have resentment, hatred even.

Even if we don't go with a rape case. Just someone who don't feel like they are either ready for a child or can offer a child a good home or future, or if they have mental illness that would be hindering to be a good parent or whatever really. Even if you do all the right things as well, there is no contraceptive that is 100% either. Unless you like remove the uterus, hell even then, it's not guaranteed, but guaranteed dead born/still birth, (I forget the English word). Anyway, what would be their options?, put the child up for adoption? As we know, there are too many kids there as well, who don't grow up with any loving parents. Plenty of kids who wish they were never born cause of it. That's how they would grow up too, if forced to live with a parent who didn't want them, constant reminder. Are broken homes like these that lead to more suffering in society too. People who again murder and rape.

Again quality of life matters.

[BillyBalls]

If abortion is a good thing to avoid living a life of discomfort, how about if we make it legal to give all those on welfare the option of killing themselves to avoid future pain and to lower society's burden of the poor.

You sound like an uneducated moron.

[dangerDoge]

My general sort of view is that the risk of pregnancy, no matter how great or how low, should be factored in before sex. For instance, if a condom gives you a 1% risk factor of pregnancy, that risk factor should be acknowledged, and if pregnancy does occur, it doesn’t justify abortion. Consent for sex is not just a consent for the sexual act, but also consent for the potential risks associated (e. g. STDs, pregnancy, regrets, etc.) The reason I see why this is important is because I consider the unborn fetus as a human life from moment of conception.

If the mother is in a medical emergency and is at risk (e. g. a mother or child situation), I would place an exception there, since it becomes a life vs life situation. With medical advances as they are today though, I would not consider standard non-complicated child birth risks to justify an abortion.

I would somewhat acknowledge an exception on situations where one party does not have the ability to consent to the sex. Rape is the most notable question point here. For situations of rape, I still think it’s morally wrong to have an abortion, since it’s still ending the life of a human. However, I can’t logically justify with my initial assertion to say it’s wrong. Thus, I would view it as logically ok but a morally wrong act in itself.

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry but what about the 10 year old girl who was pregnant, does child abuse no longer count? I get that she is 6 weeks along already she probably didn't even know she could get pregnant. How many more heartbreaking stories like this are we going to here with this no exception for rape and incest, and we don't know what it was in the case. Sure every child's life is important, unless you become a childbearing female, then the life of the unborn takes precedence, even if you are still a child, no matter how early in the pregnancy.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/abortion-docs-say-10-year-old-pregnant-girl-is-one-of-an-insane-amount-of-requests-for-abortions-from-states-with-bans/ar-AAZ7kK4?cvid=b5465b5404b14981965d470a456ff19c

[Aerissa_Jade]

Some say I am anti, some say I am pro... cause I'm okay with the morning after pill being as cheap and easy to get as a bottle of Tylenol. Many say that makes me pro-choice cause its abortion. I don't think the morning after pill is.

I'm even okay with abortion up to 6 weeks, and in cases of the mothers life being endangered or rape/incest.

Many say that makes me anti abortion, others say it makes me pro choice, so whatever.

I say if the morning after pill is cheap and easy, no one would ever really need an abortion, ever.

[DarkWinterNights]

Personally I’m point of conception… but I respect your position. I think yours is the most common middle ground. But the safe, legal, and rare somehow turned into some on TikTok bragging about their 12th abortion and abortion as birth control. The worst argument I’ve started to hear the last couple of years is if it isn’t unrestricted- up to and including birth, then somehow women don’t have any rights. The whole debate is a total train wreck.

[BillyBalls]

At least you are for limits!!!

[globetrotter22]

I am pro life but I am very pro birth control. Let’s do all we can to prevent white from meeting red.

As for exceptions I go with the following: rape, incest or danger to the mothers health.

I also believe there is a gray area if prenatal testing determines there is a serious problem with the baby (Down syndrome, deformity, etc).

I have gotten judged for saying that (ironically from liberals as well as conservatives). But if the woman is already regretting getting pregnant and then she finds out her baby is going to have a serious disability? What then? That’s why I think that one is debatable.

[love_conquers_lust]

She could have aborted Stephen Hawking.

[globetrotter22]

@love_conquers_lust Stephen hawking’s Lou Gehrig condition didn’t show up until his mid 20s. He wasn’t born with an obvious disability.

[MikeInHawaii]

Both sides have gone to ridiculous extremes. I don’t see a two cell zygote as a human. Women lose about 80% of fertilized eggs without knowing they were pregnant. I also don’t see a seventh month fetus with a 95% survival rate outside the womb as simply a body part.

And, as revolting as I find abortion, I can’t see telling a rape victim to carry her attacker’s child.

While the Bible says God knew you in the womb, it doesn’t say life begins at conception. The Sikh religion celebrates the soul entering the baby’s body at 45 days, which is when brain waves start. That belief actually lines up with science.

[RolandCuthbert]

The problem with your opinion is who gets to decide the risk to the mother? Because obviously you are not going to trust women who say they think their life is in danger. You won’t trust the doctor who certifies their belief.

The point is that these decisions about life, privacy, rape, etc. lie with states and not with the women who are pregnant.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

The doctor or multiple doctors will. You are assuming a doctor will let his bias or personal beliefs get in the way of a serious medical decision.

[RolandCuthbert]

It is just that does not happen now. And it won't happen in the future. Because there is no Federal mandate requiring states to use a doctor's opinion.

A politician or a board made up of politicians will decide. They will decide if that woman will live or die. They will decide if she can get life saving abortion medication if she has some auto-immune disorder or her period is irregular. They will decide if a woman should be investigated for murder if she has a miscarriage.

If you don't believe me, ask the women in your family. You seem to be close to them. I had no idea what abortion medication was used for, until I had to rush my ex to the emergency room because of a low blood count. They saved her life with abortion medication.

And this insane stuff has happened already. Women have been charged with murder/manslaughter for having a miscarriage.

[KelleyNice]

It is okay to have an opinion. That is your right. However, having an opinion doesn't including telling others that they must live according to your opinion. In any event, you have very strange opinion. Incest is justification but rape by some Negro with Downs Syndrome is not.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Incest brings about total family disfunction, confusion and severe illness a child is born with.

[ZackBan]

If the girl is underage.
If the pregnancy is risky on her life.
If the kid is at risk of being a cripple.

Here's the controversial one: of BOTH parents declare they are unfit financially to raise the kid (and that's for early not late abortion).
In the case where either parent says they are willing to have the baby the baby is kept and that parent gets sole custody with absolutely no child support from the unwilling parent

[sammie80]

So I feel like there should be no exceptions. As far as rape goes I get that the female does not want to look at that child and relive what has happened every time she sets eyes on them BUT she doesn't have to GIVE THEM UP FOR ADOPTION... There are so many people really good people that can't have kids and would love that child... So the moral of the story is if you don't want kids grow up and do what is necessary to prevent pregnancy... Yes sometimes you still get pregnant so that's Gods will for you just accept it.

[Brokenheartedx]

And if kid decides to trace his birth mother, she will be reliving it again and having to tell that child it was result of rape.

[ZackBan]

So in order to avoid this low percentage chance of having to have a conversation 20 years in the future that might bring up some traumatic memories it's ok for her to make it so that kid never has a life altogether. Kindof an extreme measure

[ObscuredBeyond]

No exceptions. Now hang the practitioners! Publicly! Reverse Lawrence next! Monkeypox will go extinct as a bonus. Any ghouls who riot, hang them too! Also publicly! Send the communist degenerates a message: America isn't f*cking around anymore! #BidenForTheBronzeBull

Time to go Vlad!

[HighValue]

Pro-Life
I am fine with abortion if it puts the mother's life at risk or is a serious health risk to her.
Also for rape or incest, or if they can tell that the kid will have a serious health issue where they will be repeatedly hospitalized while growing up and will likely die by their early 20s after years of suffering. Those are the only reasons it would be okay.

[Reaper1985]

that was more or less the whole point behind Safe, Legal, Rare.
safe = if she willingly consented to sex or not. legal = if she was abused or raped. rare = if the health of the mother or child is at high risk of not surviving. but whenever possible medical professions should try to save both.

[DizzyDesii]

No i still think adoption is a better alternative than abortion. I’d rather die giving birth than get rid of my offspring. I’m jus that serious about it. But what others do with their body is on them

[Anonymous]

I’m pro-life and would never make that choice myself but I’m not arrogant enough to believe I can force my morality on others who don’t share it. It should remain legal for those who want it. As a society, we need to stay out of other people’s business.

[Smashingdoozy]

That's pro-choice love

[Jamesshinobi]

the only people that should be allowed to have an abortion is anyone that is colored or liberal. in fact we should make it mandatory and build these institutions in these neighborhoods. wait. why are we ending this? this isn't why i voted for Trump twice. i wanted endless colored people and liberal murder camps!!

[Smashingdoozy]

I must ask. How would anyone know it was incest? What point is the mother's life in danger? Because a pregnancy overall is life threatening (maternal mortality rate is 24 per 100000) so where and when is the line drawn? Who gets to decide?

[dangerDoge]

This is an interesting thought with where the line is drawn. The Missouri law defines a medical emergency here as this:

“A condition which, based on reasonable medical judgment, so complicates the medical condition of a pregnant woman as to necessitate the immediate abortion of her pregnancy to avert the death of the pregnant woman or for which a delay will create a serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman.”

Firstly, I don’t think looking at it on a global scale with statistics necessarily does us any good, because it’s more of a case by case basis— every pregnancy/body is different. For the “who decides,” it’s up to the medical professionals with the mother. Pregnancy may be life threatening to an extent (similar to surgery in general), but it’s typically not to the point where it becomes a clear risk of imminent death or danger to the mother.

[Smashingdoozy]

@dangerDoge every single thing you are at risk for while not pregnant your risk is increased while pregnant. Especially if you are a poc. Medically necessary is a grey area, we've seen that this is the case from other countries who have banned abortions and women who needed an abortion to save their lives ended up dying because their care was delayed. A pregnant person is typically a young and healthy woman, they can go from saying they have a slight pinch in their abdomen one minute to coding the next.

[love_conquers_lust]

It seems like you’re making a strong case for abstinence. I think the vast majority of cases are women who skipped a period and didn’t know. It’s irresponsibility for most.

I’d rather a professional who’s licensed and been educated for a better part of a decade who’s job is to save people’s lives help navigate that grey area than be left to decide on my own.

[Smashingdoozy]

@love_conquers_lust even medical professionals have expressed that this is a grey area.

I don't know what skipping a period has to do with this? For some women it's perfectly normal to skip a month every now and then. Even more so if you are on birth control. I was taking combined oral contraception when I got pregnant. I took it every day at the same time without fail, I mostly skipped the placebo pills and carried on taking them so I wouldn't get a period. So I had absolutely no idea I was pregnant and if it ended up viable I wouldn't have known until god knows when.

[love_conquers_lust]

I just read up some more on it. If it were me, I wouldn’t skip the placebos and let nature run it’s course as a backup to ensure I wasn’t pregnant.

I also find it odd that they have “placebos” in the pack. In medicine, typically patients don’t know they’re given placebos, but in this case, you do know.

If you know your own period can be irregular, It would make me even more paranoid fucking with my own cycle with BC. It’s a gamble to me.

Again, it always defaults to support for abstaining. I know it’s fucked up, but a dick is like a gun, it shouldn’t be pointed at anything that you don’t plan to impregnate.

[love_conquers_lust]

So if you had no idea, how did you find out you were pregnant?

[Smashingdoozy]

@love_conquers_lust the period you get on birth control pills isn't a real period. It's call withdrawal bleeding. Even if you had the period, you couldn't be 100% certain.

[love_conquers_lust]

I’d probably be taking monthly pregnancy tests then as well. That’s why I discussed with with my sister and I asked her what’s the longest a cycle can go. And she threw out 12 weeks. So I’m in the 8-12 range right now, and that happens to be around the time when major organs of the fetus start to function.

[love_conquers_lust]

It also seems to me women have more power over their uterus than they’ll admit. You have far more options than women had in the 19th century.

[Smashingdoozy]

@love_conquers_lust what exactly is taking a pregnancy test monthly going to solve?

[love_conquers_lust]

To make sure the BC is working. As a failsafe.

[Smashingdoozy]

@love_conquers_lust birth control isn't 100% effective. Taking pregnancy tests isn't a fail safe

[love_conquers_lust]

It’s a failsafe against a late term abortion.

[love_conquers_lust]

Abortions aren’t 100% effective. This is clearly the case when the mother’s life is endangered or either her or the fetus suffer needlessly.

[Smashingdoozy]

@love_conquers_lust doesn't really matter since abortion at any stage is illegal in a lot of places now

Late term abortions are also only a small %

[love_conquers_lust]

Abstinence, isn’t 100% effective when people can be raped.

[love_conquers_lust]

Then don’t go to those places then.

[love_conquers_lust]

How late is late? If it’s a small %, then it doesn’t sound like women are having much trouble with skipped periods and this whole conversation is pointless. So which is it?

[Smashingdoozy]

@love_conquers_lust you're the one who mentioned it... I just explained that it's very normal to skip periods and therefore not know you are pregnant immediately.

[love_conquers_lust]

And that’s not a good reason for girls to pee on a stick every month whether they’re on the pill or not because…

[love_conquers_lust]

I like your banner by the way. Not the implication, just that you know about the formula shortage.

[Smashingdoozy]

@love_conquers_lust pregnancy tests aren't cheap and again this doesn't help people who live in states where abortion is now illegal.

[love_conquers_lust]

They’re cheaper than abortions. And far more cheaper than a kid, by a mile. And yes, it does help them. It protects them from making that decision at all if they’re on the pill. It may not be 10000000000000% bullet proof, but 99.999999999999999999999999% effective is better than 99% effective.

[love_conquers_lust]

In the late term that is

[love_conquers_lust]

And you’re right that it is not a fail safe against early term abortions if it’s needed

[dangerDoge]

“ every single thing you are at risk for while not pregnant your risk is increased while pregnant”
This seems a bit wide of an assertion to say “every” here. Could you qualify it at all, or did you mean “every single thing” without exaggeration here?

“Medically necessary is a grey area” that’s where medical professionals come in. Medical professionals can give a prognosis on a patient and help determine if the issue is of significant concern. Again, this is case by case basis to help distinguish the grey line.

“women who needed an abortion to save their lives ended up dying because their care was delayed”
That sounds like an issue with the medical system process rather than abortion laws. If people need an abortion for a medical emergency, and the system is being delayed, I’m with you on a bill/policy adjustment to correct this issue. If someone needs an abortion per medical emergency, they should be able to get it asap. If the speed to an abortion is the issue you face, I’m not sure I fully am connecting how the right to an abortion in a more general sense helps this process out yet.

[Smashingdoozy]

@dangerDoge it's pretty much without exaggeration. Especially if you already have a diagnosis for something or an underlying condition. E. g. if you have diabetes, it's likely to be worse while pregnant. Why do you think there's so many things pregnant women have to avoid?

[Smashingdoozy]

Again medical professionals themselves have said it is a grey area as pregnant women are typically young and healthy and incredibly resilient. They'll have multiple litres of blood in their abdomen and be talking to you about how great their day was.

[Smashingdoozy]

The problem is that it's a grey area and if you are making a decision based on a law you have to consult with other doctors and a lawyer before performing the procedure. Not to mention doctors would rather let the woman come closer to death to prove that it was medically necessary in order to save their own asses from prosecution.

[PatriceONeal]

The only exception might be the health of the mother. But what if the mother is a peice of sht? Still?

In the end we are trying to justify the premature ending of a life. When doing something that permanent and violent, it requires some strict boundaries.

[ChrisMaster69]

So if a 12 old girls brother rapes her, it’s okay for her to have an abortion.

however if her step brother does it, then she cannot have an abortion.

yeah I can see how that is balanced.

But why incest?

[LilyoftheLake]

I believe in exceptions for when the woman did NOT voluntarily have sex, such as rape or incest.

[Stoner710]

My limits is I agree with the Jews the mothers life is in serious risk then you have the right to abortion. Incest and rape I’m sorry but you don’t get to kill a child just because the dad is someone I would execute

[josephinelcajon]

I believe that everyone agrees that rape is one case where its acceptable IF in the first 72 hrs another is to save the mother.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I don't agree with that. You shouldn't abort the child because rape happend.

[APrettyLittleLady87]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy - and what is the mother supposed to do with the child? Be constantly reminded of why her child came into existence? Hate & depise the child because of why they came into existence? Many women do... it's not a good life for her or the child.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@APrettyLittleLady87: Keep the child. It's her baby and came out of her womb.

Yes, I understand forcible sex happened but the child is innocent in such matters.

[APrettyLittleLady87]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy - obviously you know little to nothing about abuse, traumatic events, etc. And really should never be a father or a husband due to such lack. A woman will very often hate that child because of why they exist...

[josephinelcajon]

@APrettyLittleLady87 I am against what abortion has become BUT fully support it in the first 72 hrs. and especially in cases of rape and incest as well as the mother's health. I truly can't believe that these three would not be accepted by everyone!

[APrettyLittleLady87]

@josephinelcajon - are you daft? Abortion isn't used in the first 72 hours. That's plan b. Jeez. You don't know much of anything, do you.

[josephinelcajon]

@APrettyLittleLady87 Plan B is a abortion in my opinion

[APrettyLittleLady87]

@josephinelcajon - then you're ignorant at best.

[Kudos4U]

Real doctors cause early induced labor or c section to save the mothers life. Abortionists intentionally terminate the baby and rip it out, there is no exception where that is necessary or moral.

[Anonymous]

100% for saving the life of the mother.

Rape is a bit iffy. If it is done to a girl young enough where giving birth would kill her then yes. Otherwise, it is a due process issue as I strongly doubt courts would have the time to look at the case until after the baby is born.