The historical facts don’t matter. There is an agenda to destroy Western culture and the approach used to do it is the critical theory developed by the Frankfurt School (Horkheimer, Adorno, et al.). A key aspect of the procedure is to identify an “original sin” of any given society and then convince the society that they bear inherited guilt from that historical injustice. The globalists are starting in the West. If successful, they will deconstruct every culture and reduce humanity to a homogeneous, consumerist, compliant mass. How do I know? Their academics and the WEF openly say so.
No doubt as that would eliminate Racism. We saw a problem and reformed via the Quakers and Puritans...
Quaker communities did some amazing work in the abolition movement without violating their religious or cultural restrictions.
I agree. They took on the Elite left in Britain and the Reformation crowd came to America and took on the Democratic Party Elite slave owners of the South. The truth is America, in all its brokenness, are still one of the very few Nations that does NOT have any sort of Slave designed System where rights vary by Status.
If you stop punching someone in the face, you don't get credit for no longer punching them in the face. That's not how any of that works.
So in your system of credit distribution are the modern slaveholding states equal to states which have fought and bled to stop it?
Using that analogy, not only did whites stop punching people in the face but the largest white territories also punched back against other people still punching people in the face. That is what the credit comes from.
There are 9.2 million slaves today in Africa. There are 162 countries in the world with slaves. No one seems to care.
The left needs to decide Either it’s ok or it’s not pick one?
I learned this from Ben Carson on a radio show. I researched it, and he was right. There are more slaves in the world now, then ever in history. No one cares or even talks about it. They only care about shaming Americans for what Democratic slave owners did. I've asked the question on this site and the Dims will say that happened a long time ago, so it's not relevant. So why do they talk about reparations?
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I'm shocked that the mods haven't deleted your question.
That makes two of us that are shocked my question hasn’t come down. It’s been almost an entire 24 hours since I’ve had a question taken down, are they asleep at the switch?
Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, and Carl Hackson are national treasures who should be getting far more attention for the truth they tell than they do. Walter Williams, who has passed on, is another person people should be paying more attention to.
Yes he’s gone. I’ve been quoting him and linking his YouTube videos for years. You have to remember he was born in 1933
I've only listened to him, so i never knew his age.
You know who Charles Payne is. 
He's another black economist that works for FOX. He said when he was a boy, he dreamed of being a successful business man. He begged his mom to buy him a brief case. She was a single mom and poor. But she managed to buy him a plastic, toy brief case at a garage sale. He said he got his ass beat every day by other blacks in the hood that said that he needs to stop acting "white."
This site is so filled with virtue-signaling whites, that just don't get it. Both black and white liberals hated him. No libtard on this site has the balls to debate either one of us.
Either whites get credit for ending American slavery at which point the blood and treasure paid in that war are the reparations or it was a long time ago and reparations are not necessary. You can’t have it both ways.
Nobody in the United States in 2022 held or was a slave unless they came here from abroad. It’s time for the BS to stop. It’s time for Al Sharpton to get a real job🤣
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Even if that is true (its not) its a stupid argument. Its like saying, if a mass shooter is responsible for a mass murder then they are also credited with being the only ones ending it. I hope its clear why this is a flawed logic or I suggest we abolish the police.
I’ve been suggesting abolishing the whole government for a while now…
So you do think. Here I was beginning to wonder if that might occur someday.
I can tell you’re a leftist because you understand that whoever reaches for more violence more quickly wins.
Tell that to inner city Black or Hispanic people
Assuming you're talking about the British, the only reason they stopped trading slaves was because it was no longer profitable for them. How is that a credit to them exactly? Are people supposed to be grateful, "Oh thank you so much for not whipping me and cutting my head off because you could no longer make a profit off of my free labor."
Yes, but also the US civil war, the destruction of the Barbary pirates and trans-Atlantic slave trade, the fact that that there are many people alive today who remember when the crown was still making payments on debt it acquired freeing the slaves, etc.
The Royal Navy did some of the first naval special operations work sneaking onto slave ships at night defeating the crew and freeing the slaves. I just don’t understand the hypocrisy from the global left which holds white people solely accountable for slavery when it is still practiced in nonwhite territories to this day, centuries after the crown said no and over a century after the US said no.
You can get on a plane and buy a slave right now in every Muslim territory, many African territories, and many Asian territories right now, but in the UK or US you cannot.
I realize this detonates the false white racist narrative, and will cost billions in white guilt payments to race hustlers everywhere, but it is time more people read Booker T Washington’s warnings about this or in lieu of that study peer reviewed instead of propagandist reviewed history.
Ever hear of William Wilberforce? The British didn’t just stop slavery because it wasn’t profitable. It was highly profitable, which is why the slave trade was booming. It took people like Wilberforce who considered it immoral and a lot of persuasion, along with astute parliamentary maneuvering, to pass a ban on the slave trade. Then the British Navy suppressed the slave trade in their empire at great expense.
@RealMarek You can write history however you want. Nobody in their right mind believes the Royal Navy turned into the Peace Corps overnight.
Just because you can’t or won’t open a book, doesn’t make the scary thing go away.
@Sixgunsound Just because you believe everything you read doesn't make you intelligent.
Just because you get your talking points inserted in your backside by Don Lemon doesn’t make you an effective debater either, but here we are🤣
@bean2k21 I’m not making this up out of whole cloth. I read history, including history written before Marxist and intersectional ideologues came to dominate the academy. The British Navy did not become the peace corp, but they dominated the waves at the time and suppressed the slave trade throughout their empire. This fact is heavily documented.
No. There was slavery in almost every civilization going back millenia. From the Egyptians, the the Greeks, Romans, African tribes, Asia, Native American tribes, on and on it has been an abhorrent practice.
The trans-atlantic slave trade gets the most press, but it is what most people think of when they think of slavery.
In the west fast because the leftist dominated education system the leftist dominated textbook publishers the leftist dominated news agencies and the leftist dominated propaganda mills ensure by any means necessary that the transatlantic slave trade is the only one that has talked about. I’m waiting for the public discussion on the black slaves in China right now. Where are all the angry violent black lives matter protesters when there are actual black slaves in China right now? Something tells me Soros won’t be flying them to China to protest, as protests in China tend to end in muzzle flashes.
If someone were to be stabbed by someone else, and then that person stopped the bleeding, could the stabber be considered saving the person’s life?
It’s kind of dumb. If you set up a system that oppresses a group of people, it’s the bare minimum to dismantle such a system. It’s simply doing an obligation.
White people didn’t start slavery though slavery has been happening since the beginning of our species the stronger tribe sometimes enslaves the weaker tribe slavery is still happening in Africa and the Middle East today
Slavery didn't end in America.
You can’t really compare countries which murder people they don’t like to countries which jail people they don’t like. It’s not an exact comparison.
China’s prisons would be overflowing if dissenters weren’t mostly dead.
This is nothing to do with other countries.
China is mentioned in your example.
And as a modern slave state it is highly relevant to the original post.
As it is confusing you, just remove it, it isn't relevant to the point being made.
What is the precondition for going to prison? Committing a crime in a territory which has as a consequence going to prison. Do you sincerely believe there are no white convicts or Asian or Hispanic?
No one has made that claim.
Is it a perfect system? Of course not, but neither is it a racist system just because of some cherry-picked statistics. I’d rather take a chance in front of a jury of my peers than be in the dock before a judge who can do whatever they want with no concern for precedent and a hate on for Americans.
You simply dont understand the point being made here at all.
There is no perfect system, no one is claiming to have a perfect system. These are not cherry picked statistics misrepresenting the situation, nothing like that is happening here.
You obviously do not understand the significance and point being made here because for you what happens in the states is simply normal, to you.
From the perspective of the UK, which was also included in the comparrsion, not that the comparrison is relevant or required for the point, it isn't, it is simply there because as they were talking about prison numbers etc you might want some other data for perspective.
From the UK perspective there is a wholely unacceptable conflict of interest in profiting from the labour of prisoners, because it creates a profit motive incentive to put people into prisons (and this is exactly what happens in the States).
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(People being in prison is undesirable, we would rather people were not commiting crimes in the first place and one of the causes of crime is a lack of education and opportunity etc which is why in the UK prisoners are encouraged (not forced) to enrole in educational programs or work programs (not for profit).
The idea that profit is made from prisoners is simply disgusting, that has nothing to do with justice, it is rightly viewed as slavery. Race has nothing to do with it, though it is also alarming to see that blacks are disproportionately incarcerated, that just makes it worse but it was bad enough already, if every prisoner was white or whatever perfect representation of race etc where there it would still be completely unacceptable.
This conflict of interest is the point which you are missing.
As I said, slavery didn't end in the states, it is happening right now inside your prisons.
I realize capitalism is repugnant to socialist, but if somebody can perform a necessary service faster quicker cheaper better and more efficiently, shouldn’t they be rewarded for their efforts? It isn’t as though those in question did not self select after all.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree, it’s not a direct comparison. The race based transatlantic slave trade is not comparable to a self selected subset of the population.
The US socialises the costs of everything other than things which are good for people.
Ok, so the US is wrong in all regards and the UK is perfection all regards. Now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, can we circle back to the original question of why both US and UK whites are the only people blamed for slavery when it was those same groups who have done the most to end it while many nonwestern territories still practice slavery in the absence of acknowledgment or confrontation by either Labour or Democrats?
You might think you have achieved something by dodging the issues and playing silly games but you haven't, the fact remains that slavery exists in the US in your prison system.
I claim no achievement in this time wasting enterprise, but I would still like an answer.
Provided of course that was ever in the realm of possibility to begin with.
Slavery was common practice in Africa long before white men arrived with their guns and quite obviously people of all colours are involved in trying to end slavery.
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You dont want to go down that road.
I absolutely want to go down that road, why else would I have said it? Perhaps you are the one who does not? At any rate we’ll have to reconvene tomorrow I’m home from work now so I’ll catch you later.
The problem is that it will require you to objectively look at the role of the US in countless crimes against humanity around the world and you can't even look at your prison system so I just dont think you are capable of it.
Regarding your update; you are raging against an idea which you are yourself perpetuating.
That is not a view point which I have and it is not likely to be the view point of anyone who knows anything about it.
The reason you are raging about this is because you perceive it to be an idea from 'the left' and you self identify as being on 'the right' in reality there is no left and right in the States, it is a 2 party system, both of which are right wing authoritarians, there isn't even representation of a centrist ideology nevermind left.
Those terms are fairly meaningless anyway, it is simply not possible to think about politics on a left right scale, a minimum of 2 axis are required. See the political compass site for reference.
Because you identify as whatever you think 'right' means, (and its important that you understand that every person in America who also thinks they are on the 'right' has different idea of what that means to you and everyone else.) you reject anything you perceive as being left, it must be wrong because if it wasn't that would hurt you personally, it can only be perceived by you as a personal attack because you have enmeshed your sense of self with this label. You are incapable of viewing anything objectively, your ego won't allow it.
You really should try to open your mind though and allow yourself to fairly examine different ideas without feeling under personal attack because right now you are severely limiting your ability to understand the world and the things in it.
I’ll standby for the evidence where I self identified as being on the right. I have self identified, but you’re wrong. I do however appreciate you finally opening up about your fragile emotional state regarding politics you disagree with via accusation of me doing the same. How very Alinsky of you. Tell me, in your travels as an armchair quack who puts the ass in assumption, have you discovered any references to a concept known among providers as projection? My favorite part of your response is that you know nothing about US politics but presume to lecture me about it, while making contradictory claims simultaneously. Yesterday you were at least entertaining, today you’re just sad or mad I can’t really tell, nor do I care. I will graciously allow you to have the last word as that seems to be more important to you than having a conversation, factual accuracy, or staying on topic. Good day.
Quote : Yet slavery is only white people’s fault because the western left needs it to be to get votes because they lack much else to run on but emotion and hyperbole.
You wouldn't attack the left if you didn't see it as your enemy and the only way that would be true is if you self identify as right.
I identify as anarchist by the way, it doesn't come with the same baggage.
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What about the arabs whose slave trade is ongoing?
Meanwhile there are more actual slaves now than have ever existed before. Just not in the west.
that's dumb and you know why
No, I don’t know why you think that’s dumb. Perhaps you could enlighten me without the benefit of internet searches or prepared talking points?
Good question
One which several people here have demonstrated makes them so uncomfortable they have to attack the asker instead of confront the cognitive dissonance created by their worldview imploding.
Ooo, Can I like that question twice? I also want to know specifically how a man who got an anti racist award from the most prominent race hustlers in history for opening his clubs to black people before it was woke is a racist? Same dude ate his black predecessors lunch on prison reform and had record black labor force participation on his watch.
I really hope some schmuck says we changed our minds because our screen cues told us to, because that’s really about the only thing that has changed when he switched parties.
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