We ALREADY beat out Canada; people don't die here from long medical waiting lists, because it takes six months to get lifesaving surgery.
Also, Republicans ARE Americans; that they are Americans you disagree with does not change that fact.
Now, you are correct in that we're obscenely overcharged for medical care here, but the idea that handing the payment of those charges over to the government would somehow make them "go away" is quite possibly the most ignorant statement I've ever heard. The same government that spends $400,000 on a fax machine is going to make prices go DOWN? You need to tackle expenses BEFORE you put the least financially responsible organization on Earth in charge.
The REALLY funny thing, however, is that it also means giving them power, because they'd be the ones who say whether something gets funded- which means whether it happens- or not. And the people calling for the government to manage healthcare are generally the same people who started screaming last month when they thought the government had started to do just that by overturning Roe V Wade.
Medicare and Medicaid are really good. Granted I would not trust Biden and friends with implementing this but it is well within America's means to do.
It behooves us to correct this national embarrassment that is our healthcare system. And by the way the UK system save the life of Stephen Hawkings and they're supposed to have long waits but he lived 🤷♂️ He praised the care as high quality too.
Again, making the government fund everything will make costs go UP, not down. And ending indirect financing of innovation failures is going to cost the rest of the world THEIR government-funded healthcare systems- unless you're willing to wait for Russia, China, and Israel to catch up with us; it shouldn't more than two or three centuries.
You want to fix the healthcare system? Great! But- how? Just expanding Medicare and Medicaid will make things WORSE. They can be part of the solution, but they're much later steps.
We spend more and get less than countries of single-payer healthcare so I don't know why you see the thing single payer will make things magically cost more.
We should close tax loopholes, rain in military spending and so on until we can pay for this shit on a larger scale. We're the USA, if European and Scandinavian countries can manage single payer then we sure as hell can and we can do it better than they can.
Of course they should be expanded. Get the money from the stupidly bloated military budget of 818 billion for one fucking year.
Yes. No other way.
I should point out the first picture does NOT tell the full story, as in the UK. The costs quoted are probably for PRIVATE healthcare. Under NHS, all 4 items incur no charge at all.
Sure. In UK, our NHS is grossly short staffed. Waiting times for routine ops, like hip replacement, is anything up to 2 years. It is also grossly underfunded. Successive governments have closed hospitals and wards. Not been replaced.
Thar's correct.
I just looked. The FBI leave trojans to infect visitors' computers. The point is the word "illegal" in your image. In the EU, that includes:
Incitement to terrorism including terrorist propaganda
Illegal hate speech including racism, xenophobia, and homophobia
Child sexual abuse material like child pornography
Sale of counterfeit goods
Violation of copyright
Wildlife Trafficking
Unfair Commercial Practices
Too effin' woke for my liking!
@Jessica405 saaaaame.
A second tweet that has been cited as evidence of hate speech reads, “Jentoft, who is male and an advisor in FRI, presents himself as a lesbian – that’s how bonkers the organization which supposedly works to protect young lesbians’ interests is. How does it help young lesbians when males claim to be lesbian, too?”
@goaded see that right there shows that there is a vast gulf of understanding between us that is never going to have a bridge drawn down to connect our two points.
I can't even begin to describe how unacceptable I find that and how readily I would join a rebellion to change such a state of affairs with lethal force. I am deadly serious about not ever wanting to end up like Germany or Norway with those examples.. they're so afraid of Nazis in Germany they forbid the idea and thus admit they cannot defeat it with their own ideas, making Nazism more powerful.
And then fucking Norway people are getting charged with a harmless tweet as if it was some assault.. preposterous!
I will stress again, if I was in societies like those I would eagerly join a rebellion to throw out such laws with lethal force.
"they're so afraid of Nazis in Germany they forbid the idea and thus admit they cannot defeat it with their own ideas, making Nazism more powerful"
That's not how it works.
Besides, holocaust denial is not the same thing as proposing ideas the Nazis had, it's lying about a very real event.
@goaded creationism in America is an outright fantasy pulled out of somebody's ass, I would say that's a pretty significant lie too that got a lot of people to deny very basic science and prosecute homosexuals.
Creationism was defeated with knowledge. Holocaust denial can be defeated with knowledge, because who can take the denier seriously once they are equipped with knowledge?
"Creationism was defeated..."
"Forty percent of U. S. adults ascribe to a strictly creationist view of human origins, believing that God created them in their present form within roughly the past 10,000 years. However, more Americans continue to think that humans evolved over millions of years -- either with God's guidance (33%) or, increasingly, without God's involvement at all (22%)." news.gallup.com/.../...ns-believe-creationism.aspx
Nice job!
Thank you for MHG!
@goaded @Juxtapose European Union = Union Of European Socialist Republics
Look at the success renaissance that's going on in Puerto Rico right now because of the scaling back of unnecessary government intervention:
https://youtu.be/8F4pdfeFdYA
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We would have to close the loopholes that the politicians and pharmaceutical companies (and even some unscrupulous hospitals, medical professionals, and individuals) use to their advantages first. Expanding the Medicare and Medicaid system without proper reform would be a windfall for all of those with their hands in the taxpayers' cookie jar.
As for beating Canada and other countries with "Free Universal Healthcare", something that appears "free" isn't always free. There's always a cost, and someone always pays. The United Kingdom has "free" healthcare, and yet the woman in this story would've had to wait NINE MONTHS for "further testing" that's "free" on what turned out to be aggressive breast cancer. She wouldn't have known and received her treatment quickly if didn't decide to pay $250 for an immediate appointment at a private hospital after her "free" appointment:
https://news.yahoo.com/24-old-tried-pop-she-174509127.html
The grass isn't always greener on the other side... and sometimes when the grass is greener on the other side, it's not real grass.
Is the current system in the United States perfect? No. Does it need the reforms that I mentioned above? Absolutely. However I still take our current system over systems in other countries. When my son needed an emergency appendectomy a few years ago, he spent 6 days in the hospital. With my medical and health insurance, it cost me $600 out-of-pocket. The entire bill was over $102,000. So our system works. It just needs to be properly repaired.
I find systems in other countries to be overhyped, usually because of lack of co-pays and "routine" coverage. It's when the shit hits the fan when other systems are exposed.
What, like Stephen Hawking, who wouldn't have lived to be one of the most famous physicists of all time without the NHS? He was diagnosed with motor neurone disease as a graduate student. *That's* the shit hitting the fan for someone.
Nobody goes bankrupt in the UK or Germany because of a health problem.
Ask yourself why your country's the same colour as Russia and China for child mortality.
upload.wikimedia.org/.../..._of_the_world_2019.svg
@goaded Steven Hawking was born into big-time money and was one of the greatest and most successful minds in history. That's how he lived with ALS for so long, not because of the "free" health care system of the United Kingdom. So how exactly is he a relevant example? Hint: He's not.
Canada, Australia, and countries in western and central Europe all have populations a fraction of the United States, and our population is far more spread out over large rural areas. Also, does that map factor in the decades of what would've been first-born female fetuses deliberately being aborted at a 91% clip simply because they were female in Communist China?
Go be dumb and socialist somewhere else.
"Professor Hawking, who has motor neurone disease, was treated for chest problems in April. ... "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," he told us. "I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived." Something here is worthless. And it's not him." Hint: it's you.
"Canada, Australia, and countries in western and central Europe all have populations a fraction of the United States, and our population is far more spread out over large rural areas."
I shouldn't really be surprised by your ignorance at this point, but you always manage it, somehow. Europe has a far larger population than the US, in a slightly larger area, and Canada and Australia are far more sparsely populated. They all manage to have universal health care of some form. Since the US falls somewhere in the middle, what do you think your point is?
@goaded Of course you would believe that.
www.usatoday.com/.../
"A person's quality of care — whether it be assistance breathing or eating — also can extend an ALS patient's lifespan, Bruijn said. Hawking told the British Medical Journal he received 24-hour nursing care, which was paid for by GRANTS."
"The organization claims most people are diagnosed (with ALS) between 40 and 70. Hawking was diagnosed at age 21."
Yeah I'm sure his wealth and grants had nothing to do with his early diagnosis and treatment. It was all government health care. 😂😂😂
Go be dumb, gullible, and socialist somewhere else.
@goaded Europe is a continent, not a country. That's why I posted "the countries in Europe", and that map shows each country's statistics separately. If you want to compare the United States to Europe and/or the Union Of European Socialist Republics as a whole, you take all of the European nations' data, add it up, and figure it out. You're not doing anything useful anyway.
Canada and Australia combined have a population of 63.7 million, and almost none of them live in the Outback or the vast Canadian wilderness. There's just under that living in the Northeast Megalopolis alone (56 million) out of a total of over 331 million people. We also have more people living in our remote rural "middle of nowhere" areas. It's not even close.
As usual, your comparisons are sloppy and disingenuous.
Yes, you tried to mislead in multiple ways. Several countries in Europe have more population than any state in the US. Germany, for example, has a quarter the population of the US. Strictly speaking, that's a fraction, but so is 99.999%. Europe is more densely populated, Canada and Australia are less densely populated, so what makes the US so useless?
@goaded I already explained the differences between the United States and Canada, Australia, and countries in Europe. I'm explaining it one more time, for the final time. I'm not here to placate your learning disabilities. We have far more rural areas than the countries in Europe, and far more people living in rural areas than Canada and Australia. We can't have unlimited fully functioning medical facilities in the middle of nowhere.
As for Steven Hawking, he was STEVEN HAWKING. He was LOADED and BRILLIANT... and his brilliance made him even more loaded. How many times do you think he was told he had to wait NINE MONTHS for ANYTHING, medical or otherwise? How many other ALS patients in the United Kingdom do you think had/have the same free and same quality 24/7/365 care he had and/or were diagnosed as early as he was? Come on now! You CANNOT be this stupid.
news.yahoo.com/24-old-tried-pop-she-174509127.html
Yes, you said it's right in the middle of population density and still doesn't have universal health care. Countries with less population density have it, countries with more population density have it, but the US is in the anti-Goldilocks zone where you couldn't possibly have it.
As to Hawkings' massive wealth: "They lived a frugal existence in a large, cluttered, and poorly maintained house and travelled in a converted London taxicab". He wouldn't have lived to be rich and famous without the NHS.
@goaded Since the health care quality here and health care system here is such a problem for you, then spread the word to others that they're not welcome to come utilize the hospitals here, which happens quite often, and for good reason (top 3 overall worldwide, 5 of the top 10, 10 of the top 30):
www.newsweek.com/worlds-best-hospitals-2022
So your defense of the United Kingdom's health care system is that Steven Hawking may have been a hoarder? That makes as much sense as anything else you post on this site.
You really are pathetic, aren't you? The US has great health care, for anyone who can afford it, nobody's disputing that. It's the fact that you leave millions of citizens out of the system, and bankrupt millions more that's the problem.
Your own link shows the U. S. leads with 33 hospitals (330 million population), followed by Germany with 14 (83 million); Italy (60 million) and France (68 million) with 10 each (that's 34 from a population of 211 million). The UK (66 million) has six. Other European countries are in the list.
@goaded So none of the care Steven Hawking received in the United Kingdom had anything to do with his family wealth, and then his notoriety, which generated more wealth? You must have Universal Marijuana in Europe as well.
So before you were trying to compare the United States to Europe like it's one big country, and now you want to break down each country's population to available top hospitals in Europe? Pick one or the other. Also, the United Kingdom didn't even crack the top 40, and please mention how many of these hospitals on the list are located in the Outback or the Canadian wilderness. Thanks.
Quick logic question: If you need three different things to live, can you live without one of them? Why do you think he would have lived without the NHS when he said himself that it saved his life?
His parents worked, they weren't especially wealthy, and he was diagnosed when he was an unknown undergraduate student. The whole point of the NHS is that everyone gets treated, and it's essentially free at the point of use (some charges apply, but nothing that could conceivably bankrupt anyone).
You're the one whose insisting on not comparing like-for-like by not correcting for population. It's not at all surprising that there are more good hospitals in a country of 330 million than one of 66 million. Who cares where the hospitals are, if you can travel to them?
Finally, I seem to have found another question you're going to avoid answering: why is America worse than Canada, Australia, and most of Europe in child mortality?
@goaded You continue to be deliberately disingenuous.
Googling the question "Did Steven Hawking come from a wealthy family?" proves you're wrong. I also never claimed his parents didn't work. You're a fool if you believe that Hawking's family money (which at worst, made him upper-middle-class), and then later on his notoriety and increased wealth, didn't play a role in the timeliness and quality of his lifetime healthcare. Show me a time (from a CREDIBLE source) in Hawking's life when he was told that he needed to wait nine months for further testing and/or treatment for ANYTHING (just like the woman in the story I posted from the United Kingdom), and then I'll believe the he received the exact same medical treatment as everyone else.
"Who cares where the hospitals are, if you can travel to them?"
Not in many rural areas here. Do you have any idea how often people need to be airlifted for medical treatment in this country? Are you telling me that my tax dollars should pay for that? Not a chance.
As for your other stupid question, of course you posted a map from Wikipedia (par for the course), and I already gave you an answer (as usual, you blatantly ignore the answer, because it doesn't fit your socialist agenda). Almost all of the European countries don't have the vast rural areas we have here, and we have far more people living in our rural areas than Europe, Canada, Australia, and the Diet Soviet Union COMBINED. Canada is 4.38. Australia is 3.14. Communist China is 5.47 (of course not counting the decades of deliberate female fetus genocide). The Diet Soviet Union is 4.36. The United States is 5.44. Perfectly reasonable and on par with everyone else you're yammering about, considering our rural population. None of the countries on the list ahead of the United States have the large rural population we have here.
worldpopulationreview.com/.../infant-mortality-rate-by-country
Your comparisons are faulty, your arguments are dumb, and you're an imbecile.
First of all, I apologise for forgetting that you'd tried to answer the question with your claim about how America couldn't possibly do what Canada, Australia and European countries do because it falls in the gap between being too sparsely populated and too heavily populated. Your new link suggests that all those sources that find the US around 50th in the world for infant mortality use incompatible criteria. Even the CIA. Seems unlikely.
You know Google shows you results you want to see, don't you? When I tried it, the first link that came up said no, Hawking's parents weren't rich. Scientists don't get paid particularly well in the UK. They weren't poor, but they couldn't afford to send him to the school they wanted without a sponsorship, for example. (His speaking device was a present from its inventor.)
Just because some people sometimes have to wait a long time for treatment doesn't mean that everybody always has to wait for a long time. I believe this is called the fallacy of the false dilema (or false dichotomy). You use it a lot.
"I'll believe the he received the exact same medical treatment as everyone else."
That's not exactly what was claimed, is it? He said he wouldn't be alive without the NHS.
"we have far more people living in our rural areas than Europe, Canada, Australia, and the Diet Soviet Union COMBINED."
Oh, dog, another checkable claim. data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.RUR.TOTL?view=map
US: 57 million
Russia: 36 million
Poland: 15 million = 51 million
Ukraine: 13 million = 64 million
Canada: 7 million = 71 million
Australia: 3.5 million = 74.5 million
...
I'd love to see why you think that high infant death rates are driven by rural areas. I can see an argument for general health care, but not for infant mortality. I think it's far more likely to do with affordability.
Besides, a 20% higher rate of infant deaths (than Canada) still sounds a lot, let alone double Spain and Portugal.
@goaded World Bank = socialist propaganda. You were doing better using Wikipedia.
28.3 million people in Poland and Ukraine live in "rural" areas? You're funny. A few hours by car to get back to civilization isn't rural. Come visit Alaska, intermountain California, eastern Oregon, eastern Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, northern Minnesota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and western Texas (minus a few cities spread out around these areas), and then have a conversation with me about middle-of-nowhere "rural" living.
"Just because some people sometimes have to wait a long time for treatment doesn't mean that everybody always has to wait for a long time."
Yes, because MONEY. That goes for Stephen Hawking (especially later in his life) or anyone else. Everyone may get to stand in the line for the same services, but that doesn't mean that's the order you're getting called.
@goaded You're very mentally impaired.
Nine months:
news.yahoo.com/24-old-tried-pop-she-174509127.html
Medical access in rural areas:
content.naic.org/cipr-topics/air-ambulances
Now get lost.
So, no source for your claim about rural Americans. You just made it up, didn't you?
Your links are one anecdote about the NHS and something almost completely unrelated to access to rural health care.
The NHS anecdote, by the way, includes a doctor's appointment (free) to take a look, and also "Doctors scheduled me in for surgery the following week, it all happened very fast.", once they knew it was an emergency. That surgery, as well as the follow-up chemotherapy and radiotherapy didn't cost her anything. Her GP apparently made a mistake in not recognising the cancer; I'm sure that would never happen in America.
@goaded Doctors at the PRIVATE FACILITY scheduled her for her surgery. The private facility she PAID for after she was told by the NHS that she needed to wait NINE MONTHS for a follow-up appointment. Yeah just glean over that. Totally unimportant fact.
What statistics do you want? The 56 million people to 65 million people (depending on the link, maybe even more) living in the vast rural areas here, far from large medical centers? What's so hard for you to understand? Why can't you grasp basic concepts? Why is your basic reasoning so impaired? Why do you have such a desperate desire for government overlords? Should we start building medical facilities and hospitals in the middle of nowhere on tax dollars just to placate your stupidity? No thanks.
The article does not say that at all. You're making that up, as well. Free, if useless doctor's appointment, free surgery, free chemo, free radiotherapy. No co-pays, except possibly $10 for a few prescriptions.
"What statistics do you want?" Any that backs up your claims. But there isn't one, because you made it up. Now you're trying desperately not to admit it, as usual.
@goaded You're an idiot. It literally states in the article that she was told at the NHS clinic that there was a NINE MONTH WAIT for "further testing".
"Clinicians in the UK's public health system, NHS, referred her for further testing, but the wait list was nine months long. So Harrison paid £200, or about $250, for an ultrasound at a private hospital. The results indicated the lump could be cancer, so Harrison was bumped up the NHS waitlist for a biopsy, which she underwent in June 2021."
She wasn't moved up on the NHS list until AFTER she had her paid appointment at a private hospital. If she had listened to the NHS and waited the nine months (like a lemming like you would), she'd be dead.
You're an idiot and a liar. She skipped the delay for further testing, which probably saved her life, but there's nothing to indicate that she paid for anything but the test. In fact, from the part you quoted, the only thing she paid for was an ultrasound, and the NHS then, having been told it might be cancer, performed the biopsy, surgery, chemotherapy and radiotherapy, at no additional cost to the woman. She wouldn't even have had to pay for the ultrasound if the initial doctor had been better.
@goaded "She skipped the delay..."
You describe it like it was just a random routine 10 minute inconvenience.
Do you still need a link to tell you that there's limited fully functioning medical facilities in the middle of nowhere where 57 to 65 million people live over thousands of square miles? Or has your common sense kicked in yet? Or is common sense not covered by government-sponsored socialism healthcare?
You say that as if hundreds of thousands of pounds of medical care were available to every American. All you've got is one NHS doctor misdiagnosing a lump, a woman paying $250 for an ultrasound that triggered the NHS to pull out all the stops. For a total bill of $250.
What, exactly, is your point? Some people live a long way from a hospital? Well, yeah. Maybe they'd like a system that would pay for transport to the nearest one. Maybe people in cities would like not to be lumbered with thousands of dollars in debt for an ambulance.
@goaded Medical and health care is most definitely available here. Far more people than advertised have medical and health insurance. Many have it through their employer, whether that be private or the government. Many others have Medicare and Medicaid, which would be a terrific secondary system if they'd eliminate all of the loopholes that politicians use to skim money off the top for themselves.
So 57 to 65 million people spread out over thousands of rural square miles is some people? You want to fund the helicopters for medical airlifts, and/or more hospitals in the middle of nowhere? Great! Get the GoFundMe started. Keep me posted. Maybe Liz Cheney will give you a hug.
"Far more people than advertised have medical and health insurance"
I wish you'd stop just making crap up. People who have health insurance through their employer are counted as having health insurance. So are people on Medicare (obviously: there are 65 million on Medicare).
30 million people in the United States do not have health insurance, including 9 million children. Millions of other Americans are underinsured. It was 20 million higher before the ACA.
73.7% of uninsured adults say that the cost of coverage is the reason they don't have a policy.
GOP plan for health care.
Part one, don't get sick.
Part two, if you do get sick...
Part three, die quickly.
www.kff.org/.../
@goaded You can't force people to have health and medical insurance against their will, dummy. Which is what the "Affordable" Care Act (ObamaCare) tried to do, and why the main structure of it was struck down as unconstitutional. It relied on young healthy people in their 20s and 30s being forced to have insurance simply for existing to offset the cost of those with pre-existing conditions.
"30 million people in the United States do not have health insurance, including 9 million children. Millions of other Americans are underinsured. It was 20 million higher before the 'Affordable' Care Act'."
So? There are between 335 million and 350 million people here. That means only 8.6% to 9% of the total population is uninsured. You must've failed mathematics, because that definitely qualifies as "Far more people than advertised have medical and health insurance". Even if it was 20 million more before the "Affordable" Care Act (ObamaCare), that's still only 14.4% to 15% of the total population.
"73.7% of uninsured adults say that the cost of coverage is the reason they don't have a policy."
Do you have any idea how many people lie on surveys? You really are gullible. The vast majority of people who don't have insurance right now is because they don't want insurance, and they don't want to be forced to have insurance. I'm also sure a number of them tried to game the system and qualify for early Medicare and/or Medicaid, and failed because they're too able-bodied. Maybe you can give them lessons on how to be a government leech like you.
Go be an ignoramus somewhere else. Stop wasting my valuable time.
Do you ever take a second to read what you're writing? "You can't force people to have health and medical insurance against their will, dummy." - so you pay taxes because you want to?
What do you think you meant when you said "Far more people than advertised have medical and health insurance"? I took it to mean you thought that the numbers of uninsured Americans (30 million) were exaggerated, especially as you went on to claim people with Medicare (65 million) and employer-provided health care didn't get counted.
"Do you have any idea how many people lie on surveys?"
No. But I've seen you just make shit up several times just in this conversation. Not everybody is like you.
@goaded I'm perfectly fine with paying between ¼ and ⅓ of my income to taxes. We need things like infrastructure and safety nets for those who those who genuinely require support. Once you get past the ⅓ threshold, because politicians have their hands in the cookie jar, and people try to game the system, instead of fixing and closing loopholes, that's where and why I draw the line.
Now again, stop wasting my valuable time.
No, your problem is that you lie and then can't defend what you've said.
What do you think you meant when you said "Far more people than advertised have medical and health insurance"? I took it to mean you thought that the numbers of uninsured Americans (30 million) were exaggerated, especially as you went on to claim people with Medicare (65 million) and employer-provided health care didn't get counted.
@goaded I meant exactly what I posted. If you're someone who only listens to, watches, reads, and/or perpetuates liberal and socialist agenda and propaganda (someone exactly like you), you'd be made to falsely believe and falsely spread that half the population of the United States doesn't have medical and health insurance, and/or needs the big fat stupid bloated grim reaper socialism government to swoop in and "save" the day. Utter nonsense. Here... watch this and actually learn what REALLY happens when you cut back unnecessary taxes and unnecessary government interference:
https://youtu.be/8F4pdfeFdYA
You know it's got nothing to do with what media I consume, it has to do with the words you typed.
You: "Medical and health care is most definitely available here. Far more people than advertised have medical and health insurance. Many have it through their employer, whether that be private or the government. Many others have Medicare and Medicaid..."
The number of Americans who don't have health insurance is 30 million (down from about 50 million because of the ACA), but there are over 60 million Medicare recipients, so they're obviously being counted as having insurance. So you said something that wasn't true. Now you're claiming that I'm saying that "half the population of the United States doesn't have medical and health insurance", when I never have. That's another lie and a straw man.
@goaded You just continue to type gibberish. Don't deny reality. You know damn well that liberals and socialists go far out of their way all the time to make it seem like that far more people in the United States are uninsured than the actual number of around 8.85%.
ObamaCare has covered about 6% of the population. Oh good! What a resounding success! (NOT!) 😂
Glad you mentioned "straw man". Nice to see you passed College Recess 101. 😂
The only gibberish is what I cut and paste from you. Like when you lie and say "You know damn well that liberals and socialists go far out of their way all the time to make it seem like that far more people in the United States are uninsured than the actual number of around 8.85%." You know damn well that that's a lie.
Obamacare nearly halving the uninsured population by covering another 20 million Americans is a resounding success. If just one or two Republicans had been willing to vote against their party and for the good of their constituents, it would have covered all Americans.
If you don't want me to point out your straw man idiocy, stop using straw men.
Americas health care system is a joke. Y’all drank that kool aid and believed what the government and media has told you. Meanwhile the US govt gives trillions for war efforts to “protect interests” cough, cough steal resources and “be patriotic” cough, cough accept capitalism or you are not one of us. So end of the day it’s about accepting an ideology at birth whether you like it or not. And the more conflicts I see between east and west, communism vs capitalism, the down fall of both will happen. People will realize the weakness, vulnerability and deficiencies of these ideologies we keep fighting over.
It's funny cause California decided if you're here illegally well you get FREE healthcare and Medicare for all. While regular Americans who make more then min wage have to pay for Healthcare while the undocumented get the best Dr's for free lol
No, I live in a country with Universal Healthcare and it is not effective at all, because you have to wait a few months for a doctor appointement.
One of my friends had a knee injury. He got an doctor appointment that he had to wait 4 or 5 months, something like this. By the time he had an appointment his knee has already recovered.
Most people in my country just go private, because it's MUCH faster, and it's not that costly as one could imagine. From what I checked average private appointment payment is sth like $20-$30.
It definitely should, but your bias against republicans is unfounded. US democrats are against socialism too. There’s a reason they smoked Bernie and forced him to “endorse” Clinton. They’re all getting rich and fat off the insurance companies, left and right. And none will push to change the system for the betterment of poor and working class people.
Medicare for All is a great plan but the insurance industry is too powerful and the members of Congress are easily bought off. Still, if I had the choice of private insurane or Medicare, I would take Medicare any day.
The government is controlled by the 1%. It is the 1% who need to be afraid of us.
Here is a perfect example of the 1% controlling government. Dr Oz is running for Senate and may well win , making him the richest Congressman in history and first Muslim Senator. Here is what Scientific American has to say about Dr Oz.
www.scientificamerican.com/.../
Dr. Oz Shouldn’t Be a Senator—or a Doctor
His brand of misinformation has already tarnished medicine. In the halls of Congress, he’d do much worse
My insurance is quite good. Did not have to pay a dime for my hip replacement it covered 100%. I carry that same insurance over into my retirement. I spent quite a few years with this company it was in my contract that they would take care of me and my family.
I do admit that our insurance need to be overhauled. Too many insurance companies are in for a profit. You should be a non-for-profit type firm.
Yeah all those UK procedures don't cost the patient anything. It's all covered by the tax system.
I find the US system absolutely absurd honestly.
@KrakenAttackin could you make a point?
@KrakenAttackin I already said they're paid through taxes so I'm not sure what naivety you're referring to. Our tax rates are not "very high" in comparison to other countries
“ all we have to do is close tax loopholes”
you’re a naive child. Rich people win, end of story. If we wanna see a different world we’ll cut the head off the snake entirely and end all taxes because the ultra rich will always get away without paying and the middle class foots the bill
How often was history ever changed by people saying something was impossible? Are heroes people who just give up?
If need be we could change the human genetic code on a mass scale in the future, we need to beat the sociopaths to it. The moment the oligarchy gets a hold of a certain level of technology we are not going to have many options even compared to now. It is imperative we act before it is too late.
You were doing extremely well with your post until you tried to pigeonhole people into supporting "Medicare For All.". Not everyone agrees with that, and many have legitimate concerns and questions.
If you want to sell M4A, do it honestly and do it on the merits of the actual program.
(And it DOES have merits, by the way.)
@Juxtapose It's also the best way to be denied your rights.
@Juxtapose You need to research the definition of a "right."
And yes, the right to deny "healthcare" is one of the issues I'm talking about. The right for YOU to deny THEM doing something to you. Something that you do not want.
@Juxtapose Where did I ever say anything about money?
@Juxtapose Well, guess what? I don't WANT a fucking microchip, motherfucker.
It's an example.
@Juxtapose No; YOU get the fuck out of the country! Go to your beloved Scandinavia that you people gush about so much.
There is no question that the US health care system is a disaster, but I don't trust our government to do any better. I don't know what the answer is.
I receive Medicare and Medicaid and can tell you it's a fantastic system that doesn't delay my treatment or dick me around with my claims. I recently went to the hospital and had everything paid for and all Americans should get the same experience.
Literally we just have to tighten the tax code so these oligarchs, that includes these radical sjws, stop cheating the system.
@Juxtapose. Our tax code doesn't need "tightening", as it is a result of constantly and ferociously competing interest groups, combined with purchased elected officials. Ideally we would go to a flat/fair tax and be able to do our taxes on a post card each year.
@Juxtapose. We still need a tax system that encourages investment and does not arbitrarily punish success.
@Juxtapose. That was a hangover from the Carter days which were awful. Carter had a "luxury" tax which almost killed the boat, high end car, and small airplane industries. It took the labor unions to snap Carter back to reality. Obama learned the same lesson when he, briefly, went after private jets.
I don't think the government should ever take more than half of what a person earns. After 50% it's just theft.
Nobody should pay taxes and everybody should be for themselves
I'm a libertarian. I don't believe in this whole taking my money for somebody else.
Not sure universal healthcare could work here we have too many obese people.
It's not which is worse its that not only does obesity create health problems it also raises the cost of treatment which is past on to the health insurance provider. If there was less obesity health insurance and healthcare would cost a lot less and there'd be less people in need of healthcare.
For instance a person with depression only doesn't require lifting equipment and xray and MRI machines built for zoo animals.
I'm a guy who works full time, so there's know way that I comming out on the right side of this!! You're Loss Chef's
Economics dictate that a stronger middle class is best.
Not until we cut the illegals off at least.
They're not even supposed to be here, period.
@both of you
Fully agree.
Get big pharma out of there and that will get rid of most if not all of our issues.
In my opinion, should be replaced with M4A.
Nope, wipe it all. UBI. Problem solved
It seems good the way it is
Both my wife and I have had medical issues over the years. We never had a claim denied. I once had to pay a 200 dollar co pay for an MRI but that was the worst thing that happened. I mhad a total hip replacement last year. I waited 3 weeks to see the doc and two more weeks before I had the surgery. I paid a 20 dollar co pay and that was it.
I had a metal rod impaled in my toe and had to pay for the shots afterwards, over $200 out of my own pocket. No other care was given to me for that incident so I paid 100% of the cost.
With Medicare and Medicaid I have not had to pay for anything. I hate insurance companies, they only exist to tell me no when I need medicine. It's time to get profit out of medicine in my opinion.
@Juxtapose I had my choice of insurance plans. My wife is a cancer survivor so we spent the extra money every month to have the so called Cadillac plan. It was well worth it.
I thank God everyday that I don't live in the USA
I didn't always think like that, but I do now.
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