4.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. But I have no doubt that Trump removed those documents planning at some point to sell them to a foreign government. Trump doesn’t do anything unless he sees some future gain for himself. It’s really sad that a substantial fraction of the US electorate desperate enough, angry enough, and ignorant enough to vote for him believing that somehow going to help them. Or maybe they are so angry that they just don’t care and want to see others suffer.
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PANIC your entire world is crumbling around you. When it leads back to Obama what are you going to do?
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- Yoda Age: 421 y
They have to protect democracy...
by making sure he never runs for election again!
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20 Reply 6.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Sounds like something the Clintons would have done.
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and yet the allegations are against Trump
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Clintons didn't take nuclear secrets home after leaving their jobs, and then lied about it, signed affidavits that all documents were returned, the said "I unclassified them" after the FBI raid went public showing they lied.
- 1 y
Neither did Trump, no matter how many times someone anonymously claims he did.
The fact you're doing it anonymously shows you're ashamed of yourself for lying.
Anyone can make an allegation. How do you know that Trump isn't telling the truth? It's not like FBI and DOJ haven't been caught trying to frame him with the Russia Hoax.
However, in Clinton's case, it's a fact that he transferred sensitive missile technology to China. So I could see him doing the same with nuclear secrets. - 1 y
So basically it doesn't matter what anyone says, if it reveals Trump to be a criminal, it must not be true? There's no question that Trump knowingly and illegally removed highly classified documents from the White House at the end of his term. Trump's lawyer was present and signed the receipt.
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@goaded; Yes, they have been. Do keep up. And it's been reported that some of the FBI agents involved in the raid are being investigated by the special counsel, John Durham. If that's true, they never should have been anywhere near Mar a Lago.
@slatyb: The Asker is anonymous- that's what Im referring to. - New 1 y
@slatyb I don't argue whether or not Trump "stole" classified documents, that's to be determined. I'm not even against Trump being investigated. What I am against is the way the warrant was executed. We now know ALL avenues to get the documents back were not used. We also know that there has to be an immediate threat that evidence will be destroyed or lives endangered in order for a judge to sign off on a raid. Yes, it was a raid. We now know the warrant was signed on the 5th but was not executed until the 8th. Like I've said, I worked FBI, we don't get weekends off. I didn't vote for Trump but the shit show that occurred last week was indefensible.
- New 1 y
@Slingblade1126 Have you seen this parody video?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1558284151106801666
Ron DeSantis complaining about people calling his search of a scientist's home a raid interposed with Hannity calling the Trump search warrant a raid.
How many chances should Trump have been given to voluntarily return the documents, considering his lawyers had already claimed they'd given them all back already? - New 1 y
@goaded He was subpoenaed once! He actually complied and turned over all subpoenaed documents. How do we know that? Because 5 days later he was contacted by investigators and told to put another lock on the door to better secure the remaining documents. What happened between June 8 and Aug. 8? There were no other subpoenas for possible remaining classified documents.
- New 1 y
Oh, I don't give a fuck what DeSantis or Hannity have to say. If you don't think that was a raid there really is no sense talking to you.
- New 1 y
@Slingblade1126 You can call it whatever you like. The important thing is that it was totally legal and justified. The government had been asking for the documents back since May 2021. Holding on to those documents was not legal.
A Trump lawyer signed a statement in June that said all classified material had been returned to the government. That was evidently not true (although I expect the lawyer believed it to be true at the time). - New 1 y
@goaded You have no idea if the warrant was legally executed or obtained. I have no idea if it wasn't. I do know that he was turning over documents as of very early 2022 to the NARA. I also know documents were subpoenaed on June 3. Those documents were turned over and others were still in his possession and the investigators apparently had no problem with that. Again, how do I and you know? Because they sent a letter, on June 8, telling him to put another lock on the door to make them more secure. That was the last correspondence between them. What happened between June 8 and Aug 8? You say it was justified? Bullshit! It took 3 fucking days to even execute the RAID! When I was an agent, we would serve a subpoena within a couple hours with a few agents, if it was high priority. The DOJ and the FBI have a lot of explaining to do. I know the truth doesn't matter to you, it seems people like you are immune to being embarrassed by the media and your leftist heroes but I still like to have the facts play out.
- New 1 y
@Slingblade1126 Neither of us has any reason to believe that the warrant wasn't legally executed, particularly as it was authorised at the highest level in the DoJ and signed off on by a judge who owed his position to Trump. Trump's lawyer signed off that all the classified documents at Mar a Lago had been returned to the government in June. That was untrue. Trump had kept documents he knew he was not entitled to. That is illegal.
Are you surprised that it took a few days to make sure everything was done by the book?
Don't make believe that the chances of the warrant not being legal is on the same continent as the chances of it being perfectly legal. That's a false equivalence. - New 1 y
@goaded #1: once you provide a judge affidavits and a scope of an emergency federal criminal warrant and he signs it, it's too late to make sure it was "done by the book". Now it is a matter if it was "legally obtained" and "legally executed". #2: something you keep ignoring, why did communication between team Trump and team FBI stop after June 8? Even if Trump's lawyer signed an affidavit saying all classified info was turned over, the FBI could have subpoenaed the rest of the documents they obviously knew he had, if they had info the lawyer wasn't being honest. Why didn't they? Aren't you even a little curious? We know Trump complied to a subpoena on June 3. #3: I have no fucking clue what you mean by, almost legal, perfectly legal, false equivance?
- New 1 y
@Slingblade1126 The FBI does not subpoena documents. Lawyers do that. The FBI investigates crimes (but not this one) and executes warrants. A warrant was signed. The agents who executed the warrant were just doing their jobs.
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@Slingblade1126 When the warrant was executed, they were doing it legally. Are you arguing that the judge was misled? Given that classified papers were found, it seems the representation to the judge was accurate.
- New 1 y
@slatyb I don't know, do you? Remember Carter Page? It never was, too me anyway, whether the documents should have been retrieved! It was always about HOW they were. It was unjustified and I know you don't agree, because you're late in the game, I ask you to read my previous comments and at least try to answer some.
- New 1 y
Also, yes, judges can be mislead, as I mentioned above and yes, warrants are executed illegally everyday. I know it's only convinient at times, when it suits YOUR agenda but the constitution means something. Or at least it used to.
- New 1 y
@Slingblade1126 #1 I was talking about the actual plan to enter the premises and to ensure that they didn't overstep the bounds of the warrant. Also, why are you still pretending that there's the remotest chance that a warrant in the most high-profile case of the century that was personally approved by the USAG, who's also a judge, and signed off on by another judge who was appointed by the target of the warrant has the remotest chance of being illegal?
#2 It didn't, there was a subpoena served in late June for video surveillance on the areas where the remaining (supposedly unclassified) documents were stored, which would mean investigators could see who had access to those areas. But it's looking like someone tipped them off that there were still classified documents illegally hidden on the premises. If they were intentionally hidden from them before, they'd have been hidden from them again, hence no more asking nicely.
#3 Your "just asking questions" shtick is why I'm talking about false equivalence (an informal fallacy, look it up). Career prosecutors and judges don't just request and approve search warrants on a former president without a ton of probable cause. The chances of it being illegal are essentially zero.
10K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. There is no direct evidence for most of that.
Also Khashoggi was Saudi, not American.
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I know you won't have the courage to answer this, but why do you people hate Trump? Are you in China or Russia?
00 Reply 17.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Yeah, dont think I could do treason….
Trump needs the money. So i can't blame him.00 Reply- Anonymous(45 Plus)1 y
I suppose it's better than just giving it to them like we did with Pakistan. 🤣
00 Reply - Guru Age: 411 y
Americans are such fucking sheep and sellouts
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