If modern feminists legitimately desire equality, why are they not protesting laws which advantage them?

[Sixgunsound]

Including but hardly limited to disparities in child custody, alimony, and child support. Why are they not protesting the fact that women typically get lighter sentences for the same crimes, if they are even brought to trial at all? Unless the equality modern feminists desire is of the Orwellian kind where some people are more equal than others, I’m not buying this for a wooden nickel.

[MaxRobespierre]

I mean just look at the catty moderators on here. They only give featured questions to women.

[MaxRobespierre]

It's foolish to expect fairness from a feminist.

[Sixgunsound]

Facts.

[Sixgunsound]

Though I will be honest I’m far more interested in what people having actual conversations think or have to say then what people who get their jollys from shutting me down thank.

[RealMarek]

It’s not about equality of process, it’s about power.

[Sixgunsound]

Pretty much. In their understanding of Marxist dialectic in order to have power they have to take it from men who somehow got it by theft or unearned privilege.

[Derekk]

There are a lot of examples of women supporting men legally and professionally I'm lawsuits or court cases that involve custody, equal parenting, etc. The most notable is years ago when a single father sued a place because the men's restroom didn't have a changing table to change his child. A feminist lawyer supported him.

You have to remember that men still have a majority presence on the courts. It is primarily men who are biased in favor of women being more competent caregivers, and better suited to doing house work. The same judges that are letting men off the hook for sexual offenses are the same judges hanging men back on the hook by denying their parental rights. Why? Sexism. Which political groups exist in opposition to structural sexism? I'll let you decide.

[Sixgunsound]

So the Republican Party was founded on the principle of abolition of slavery, so I’ll stop you right there. Anybody who is an actual Republican as opposed to a Republican in name only is part of an organization that is opposed to the primarily Democrat lead structural racism sense Democrats control almost every structure right now. Thank you for letting me decide, I’m happy that someone on your side of things is actually willing to let me talk at all. This is a welcome change from how that usually goes.

[Derekk]

I'm not really sure what you're getting at with Democrat vs Republican here. I thought you were talking about feminism as a political group. Feminists are often democrats, but Democrats are only sometimes feminists. I also didn't criticize Republicans either so I don't know why you mentioned the history of slavery.

[Sixgunsound]

From the time the first republican president took Democrats slaves away through the time where Trump ate Obama‘s lunch on prison reform and pardoning black inmates and easing actual (not to be confused with media manufactured) racial tensions and getting more minorities into the workforce by taking down Democrat regularltory burdens or zoning restrictions, the Republicans have consistently opposed Democrat institutional racism. Malcolm X wasn’t kidding when he said that if you scratch a white liberal you’ll find a fascist. You should probably take a longer look at where you get your facts because you are being lied to by people who profit from your ignorance.

[Derekk]

Again I don't understand the point of all of this. I disagree with you or take issue with your terms in most of what you wrote there, but it's still detached from your question.

[Sixgunsound]

You asked me to name an institution fighting racism.

[Sixgunsound]

Ok you got me, I can’t read

[Sixgunsound]

I’ll get back to you

[Soteris]

I do not know what you are talking about. About the only group supporting men in these issues has been feminists to my knowledge. Yes, not even mens rights groups actually take their hands out of their pockets and actively do something as opposed to whining on the internet.

[Sixgunsound]

If that is true it should not be difficult to produce a public example of legitimate mainstream feminists doing that in 2022. I’d be interested to see that if you can, and would actually look at it.

[Soteris]

I would love to link you to some sort of US legislation however, there is a problem. Mens rights are not very high on the priority on either side of the political spectrum and even though feminism supports it as well as supposedly also the mens rights movements (which I would argue they dont actually), those groups are very small and has very little political power to actually put forward the legislation themselves.

For example, the current maternity laws were essentially drafted back in 1993 by Bill Clinton and only updated in 2015 to also include same sex partners which presumably also includes gay men. Either way, I am sure you see the problem if narrowing it down to 2022 specifically when these things are rare as unicorns in the first place.

I could point to Sweden as an example since the government is entirely made up of parties who support feminism. Problem there is that to my knowledge we already established legal equality since the 1980's.

So yes, it is difficult to produce a public example because quite frankly its either been done around the world or its dragging its feet like in USA and nothing much is happening year to year.

[Sixgunsound]

So what you’re saying is that it is extremely rare for anyone, feminist or otherwise to consider mens rights. This while male bashing protests by mainstream feminists are held regularly. Doesn’t that kind of prove my point?

[Soteris]

I mean, I am a feminist and I am advocating for mens rights in this very conversation but since I do not have any legal power its not like it matters in the grand scheme of things. Tell me a "main stream" feminist who has enough political power to enact legislation.

[Sixgunsound]

Clinton

[Sixgunsound]

Pelosi. Feinstein. Soto mayor. Ginsberg.

[Sixgunsound]

Clinton’s whole campaign was having a vagina. And even the numerically superior female voting base said that wasn’t good enough.

[Sixgunsound]

And I don’t know where you live but I could probably pull up a list of family court judges if it was really that important do you.

[Soteris]

Dude.. I dont think you know what a feminist is.

[Sixgunsound]

I was raised by a voluntarily single third wave feminist who resented having sons.

[Soteris]

And yet you think Clinton was a feminist.. I mean, the proof is in the pudding if not the recipe.

[Sixgunsound]

Do you know what feminism really is? I could call myself a Sikh but have little idea what that involves. If you were an egalitarian I would at least respect it, but I will never understand what, other than quick access to easy p*ssy, draws men to feminism groups.

[Soteris]

Sure, I am a feminist. Not because I like the label or want to get sex but because logical conclusions lead me here.

I simply believe that there is no major difference between men or women so making a distinction is completely arbitrary and quite frankly, beneath me. This is a view that I built on the foundation of scientific evidence by the way so dont bother telling me I am incorrect, you are not qualified to give me any new evidence I have not already heard before so save us both the trouble.

So, living in a world where I do not see any meaningful definition to "gender" there happens to be a descriptive term for me. A feminist. AKA the belief that all genders should be treated the same. As you can see, its not really up to me if I am a feminist or not, it is simply a definition of what I already believe in.

As such, I only ever recognize "gender" as a social construct and only in the limited capacity that something we completely made up should have especially when it is wrong by scientific definition. Which makes things very simple. If something is using gender as a qualifier or justification outside of a casual setting where a social construct would be accepted then I am against it by default.

It is like people saying "God did it" when I am an atheist and dont believe in the existence of a God. Anything anti-feminist is patently absurd to me.

[Sixgunsound]

You haven’t addressed why you don’t go with egalitarian then as your explanation more closely aligned with that label.

[Soteris]

I mean, I could be both. However, Egalitarianism has much more baggage since it points pretty much directly towards communism and equal systems as it advocates for removing economic inequality and decentralized power. Its not really something I have much a stance on, I am more pragmatic and while an utopian society of everyone having everything they could possibly desire sounds good in theory its not really realistic today so not worth thinking about in my opinion.

[Sixgunsound]

If you sincerely believe feminism has nothing to do with communism then I don’t what else to say to you.

[Soteris]

Ahahaha! Oh really? Do tell me how feminism and communism are similar.

[Sixgunsound]

It’s because I give you more credit than a lot of people on here about doing your research and the ability to have a discussion instead of an argument, that it would be more disappointing that the communist nature of feminism never came up then it would be for most other people who want to talk about it.

[Soteris]

Many people say many things about feminism and many people are wrong. Feminism does not share ideology with communism. It does not really involve itself in questions of the economy or whatever. Feminism cares about social issues such as rights and social equality.

[JustiReno]

Did a feminist take yer jobz?

[Sixgunsound]

As far as literally replacing me no, but one did fire several thousand people from the hospital I worked with for repeating a feminist mantra too loudly. I also don’t want to see my daughters grow up believing in that nonsense. They are capable of competing in a level playing field and earning their own respect, they don’t need even that commoditized and redistributed by a government that needs us fighting each other to keep us from uniting against them.

[maximumpower]

That doesn't fit the agenda.