The man is slipping in his own shit in Ukraine, and even losing support from India and China. So along with this fake "referendum" he's threatening the use of nuclear weapons. Do you think he really will do it this time? Should his threats really be taken seriously? And if he does, drop one, what do you think the response will be from the rest of the world?
First of all, per your Update, thanks so much for your kind compliment. It is very flattering to find that someone would be interested in my views specifically.
As to the question itself, to start the answer is somewhat cliche. Which is to say that accident and miscalculation can never be ruled out completely and therefore never say never. That said, overall, it is highly unlikely that President Putin would employ nuclear weapons.
To be sure, the limited use of nuclear weapons is part of Russian military doctrine. However, paradoxically, Russia's advantage in Ukraine at the moment is that the latter is in the vital interests of none of the other great powers. For the United States, Britain France, China and India, for example, all existed as major powers with Ukraine under Russian rule.
The opposition to the Russian invasion of Ukraine from the USA, the UK and France has been mostly as an assertion of international law and primarily because while their direct national interests have not been engaged, those of the states of eastern Europe - now newly joined to NATO - are involved. Were the Western powers to show no interest in Ukraine, it would call into question the value of NATO's security guarantees to the eastern European states and likely shatter the alliance, which is in the interests of the USA, France, UK as well as Germany, Italy and the other states of Western Europe.
In the case of China and India, both have their own irredentist claims against nearby territories - against Taiwan and Kashmir, respectively - and therefore, initially at least, both were somewhat supportive of Russia. However, as the Russo-Ukraine War has dragged on, both China and India have scaled back and placed limits on their support of Russia.
Thus, a paradox, on the one hand, Ukraine not being in the vital interests of the freat powers gives Russia a relatively wide latitude - short of nuclear war - to deal with Ukraine. However, were Russia to employ nuclear weapons, even on a limited tactical scale, it would immediately engage the vital interests of the other nuclear powers and leave Russia in a position of diplomatic isolation.
In effect, Russia would likely - though even this is not assured - secure Ukraine and in the process, lose the rest of the world. Again, while miscalculation and error can never be ruled out in human affairs, it is extremely unlikely that Russia would want to risk uniting the whole world against it.
This further because, Western media notwithstanding, it is a gross overstatement to say that Ukraine is winning the war. To be sure, Russia had hoped for a quick victory on the cheap. Consequently, Mr. Putin failed to fully mobilize Russian resources and thus prolonged the conflict. Thus the war has dragged on.
Note that, historically, Russia's military advantages have not been rooted in the quality of its forces nor their strategic and tactical dexterity. Rather, it has been in what has been called, "the Russian steamroller."
This summed up by a German general - I believe it was Franz Halder - as described during the battle of Stalingrad: The German army attacking the Soviet Union is like an elephant attacking a host of ants. It will kill thousands, perhaps millions, but ultimately the Russian numbers will overwhelm him and he will be eaten to the bone. Where Russia has sought deft quick victories - see also the Winter War with Finland (1939 - 1940) and more recently Afghanistan, Russia has tended not to fare very well.
The bottom line, over the long run, Russia can afford to drag out the war with Ukraine. She can suffer even defeat after defeat, and in the end still win the war, by exhausting Ukraine - which has far more limited resources and manpower to bring to bear in any prolonged fight with Russia. Thus the employment of nuclear weapons would be unnecessary and indeed, by uniting the world against Russia would undermine its best chance of victory.
Put is all together - and there are other points here that I have not gone into for reasons of space - and the odds are, again short of error or miscalculation, that Russia will not employ nuclear weapons. Indeed, by drawing out the fight, Russia is better to positioned to ultimately win it than not.
I am not sure that Russia is winning the war, as far as the recent events on the battlefield are concerned, Russia is retreating everywhere. On Saturday they lost control of a city again.
The Russian army has big problems with logistics, quality of soldiers sent to the field, and old equipment, add to that the moral aspect and you can observe that the morale of the Russian troops is at its lowest and often wonder what they are doing in Ukraine.
Let's not forget also the protests inside Russia.
On their side Ukrainians know why they are fighting, for the safeguard of their homeland, they had a quality training since at least 2014 from American trainers, and they receive a very important support in economic and military terms, with very high technology equipment. This explains the progress of the Ukrainian army.
Either winter will save Russia from a defeat, or Putin will not be able to admit a rout because he is also playing his own power now, and will use a tactical atomic bomb.
@nightdrot The part about Russian armies being a steamroller - which is something I think most of the world has noticed throughout centuries, but wouldn't at some point Putin have to realize that he's just losing a lot of blood through manpower at this point? I mean just exhausting the lives of thousands of men even if it takes years, but then, maybe he just doesn't care?
That's just it. Russia's advantage is a willingness to take huge casualties that other societies - China and perhaps India being the exceptions - would not dream of taking. It is a trait of Western society to be concerned with the loss of life. Historically, Russian leaders have been willing to shed as much blood as it takes to fight and win wars.
Suffice to say, Mr. Putin appears to be in that tradition. Though he faces a problem that previous Russian leaders have not had to deal with. Specifically, a more democratize, albeit hardly yet democratic, society.
As the resistance to conscription among the Russian population suggests, Mr. Putin may have less political room for maneuver than previous Russian leaders. That said, a people who is growing increasingly reluctant to take casualties at the behest of its leaders will hardly countenance a resort to nuclear weapons.
Thus, in effect, were Mr. Putin to employ such weapons in a domestic political environment where public opinion carries more weight, he would be signing his own death warrant. This again suggesting that Mr. Putin is not likely to employ nuclear weapons.
@Matthias345 While your argument have much merit, the point is that so long as Russia does not lose, it is winning. Russia is not winning, but Ukraine cannot stop winning if it is to prevail.
Russian history has not been so much about winning wars as about not losing them. Thereby ultimately prevailing against enemies whose resources are far more limited. In a nutshell, so long as Russia can keep fighting, it cannot lose and the only way to stop Russia from fighting would be for the Ukrainians to march all the way to Moscow. (Suffice to say, that is not in the cards.)
This is the lesson learned from Napoleon, Kaiser Wilhelm II and Hitler. They won the battles and lost the wars.
Thus, as noted, and for reasons I also discussed with @ManOnFire below, it is highly unlikely that Mr. Putin will resort to nuclear weapons. The costs would be too great and the benefits to uncertain. Of course, as noted, an accident or a miscalculation is always possible, but in terms of historic Russian interests, Moscow would have far more to lose from employing nuclear weapons than from dragging the fight out as long as possible.
Therefore Ukraine is doomed to lose? You explain to me that basically even if Russia would lose the conquered territories in Ukraine, it would still have the necessary resources to start the war again while Ukraine as it has limited resources, it will not be able to resist indefinitely to the Russian assaults?
@Matthias345 Frankly, I am not optimistic about Ukraine. Odds are that it will end in some compromise diplomatic solution as the Western powers - although Ukraine is NOT central to their security interests - do not wish to split NATO's eastern flank and the states of eastern Europe do see Ukraine as central to their security interests.
However, in terms of an outright military victory for Ukraine, the odds are against it. Ukraine simply lacks the resources and manpower to sustain a prolonged war effort, seize all the territory it lost and then hold it indefinitely. The only saving grace may be if President Putin is toppled from power.
Even then, though, any succeeding government would not want to take on the onus of defeat as it comes into office. That being the case, about the most that might result is a negotiated settlement, the terms of which would almost certainly mean that Ukraine would, at a minimum, have to hand over Crimea to Russia in perpetuity and perhaps at least portions of the Donbas region as well.
Putin’s entire legacy is now tied to his success or failure of the Ukraine invasion. He’s also a dictator and he demonstrated he has increasingly lost his marbles as he has gotten older.
So I do not take his threat lightly. But he knows there were extremely dire consequences of Russia does this.
The US is trying to avoid getting in a direct shooting war with Russia. Once we do these are ingredients for WW3. But Putin used nukes the escalation of all this could be horrifying.
The best case scenario is that Russia annexes some parts of the Ukraine to make Putin feel like he won something. Then maybe a cease fire will happen and withdrawal of Russian troops. It all depends how greedy and deranged Putin is willing to be. He already initiated a complete full scale invasion with zero justification. His excuse was that “oh there are Nazis in the Ukraine”. While that is technically true (there are fringe nazi groups in the Ukraine) it also true that president Zellensky himself is a Jew and Ukraine is NOT a third reich being run a hitler. Not even remotely close to it.
This is all about power, resources and restarting the old Soviet Union. Most of it is due to Putin’s ego which is sick and horrifying.
I think the annexation won't help though either. He's coming up with reasons to take all that territory inside Ukraine, and once he's allowed to do that, he will later on come up with even more lies/reasons for why he should take more Ukrainians soil, and more, and more. Until eventually he'll get his wish and will have absorbed the whole country.
His whole Nazis gaff was stupid because his very own St. Petersburg is known for having a large population of Russian neo-Nazis.
Russia needs an internal revolution to get rid of that piece of shit. Unfortunately we’ll entrenched dictators are not easy to remove.
Also agree with Putin’s excuse being bs. At least with the Iraq war invasion Bush was given faulty intelligence by the CIA that Saddam had WMDs. Saddam never denied it either because he wanted to give the IMPRESSION to his people he was powerful.
But Putin’s excuse to invade was far far more bullshit than what Bush did.
Fun fact, that latitude has prevailing westerlies. What this means is that if Putin drops a nuke really anywhere in eastern Europe his country would be sitting in the smoke of his radioactive campfire.
That is if things didn't spiral out of control. If things DID spiral out of control we are all borked. Putin would rather have all of Russia normal than all of Russia + little Ukraine and not have to have street lamps anymore because it's all glowing in the dark. Radioactive Russia is probably not in his vision of the former glory of the Soviet Union.
The only way he uses nukes is as part of a suicide plot, because he knows if he does he is a dead man and nothing good will come of it for Russia or for him. But the scary part is that he may well be close to that point because he has backed himself into a corner that he cannot get out of. There is no path out of the hole he has dug for himself that can save face in any way.
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No, I don't think he will. But people commit suicide every day. Maybe he will be the first head of a nuclear armed country to do it by using a nuke. If he does the entire world will be reduced to ashes so let's hope he doesn't.
He is sick and maybe terminally so. So that adds additional risk.
The most dangerous threat to America right now are the Democrats. Under Trump the world was at unprecedented peace. In January 2021 the Democrats took over the entire US federal government and every evil dictator in the world from Russia, to China to Iran to North Korea suddenly started threatening (or actually starting) war. It's no coincidence. They know that Biden is braindead and weak and the rest of the Democrats are also weak and actually willing to help them destroy America. The scary part is that they see this as a window of opportunity to do terrible things to the world while the weak America hating Democrats are still in charge before Trump and the Republicans get back in office and kick their asses back to hell. That is very very scary. Anything could happen right now because America is essentially weak and without any leadership.
I think rather then "fail" he might be that ,... driven. I hope not , I like to think that having nuclear weapons should be their own reward. In other words everyone who's a nuclear power now, except Russia, and they may have and I missed it. Says " we only have them for defensive use", like having your own "don't tread on me symbol". whatever happens , when this idiocy is over, we need to disarm the world of nuclear weapons. If they are truly "defensive" then no one's going to enact a first strike, so why have them, what? so we can spend billions protecting them from capture by terrorists. If this hasn't demonstrated once and for all the dangers of "leaving a hand grenade where kindergarteners can play with them" then Im glad my times on this earths coming to an end, it's my belief sooner or later someone's going to feel the need to make an example of another country, and nukes away. The real downside of glowing in the dark for as much as 5 years depending on weather patterns is , IN MY OPINION, when the first flies , they all fly,, if you have them your going to use them never mind that most nuclear powers are controlled by people already mad at the world, why else have the bomb, country A launches and not only does target B get irradiated into the stone age, but collaterally damaged countries C, Dand E have now lost food crops, meat and perhaps citizens solely because the wind was blowing there way and the had committed the grievous sin of bordering a nuclear target, oh look C, DandE just launched at country A. and on and on. I live in the only country to have demonstrated in a war the horrifying power of such weapons. I will not make apologies for decisions made 80 years ago I can only assume they based their decisions based on the best available intelligence of the day. Learn from them.
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Usually I don't answer political questions, but this one is interesting considering the Russian president's personality.
Mr Putin tends to keep his ground in the field of threats. On the other hand, he may be some kind of poker player, and relying on previously really executed threats, may induce people into believing he will actually use nuclear weapons in certain conditions. Let's face it: no one knows for sure.
Although Russia would be a direct collateral victim, no one can neither be sure of a person's real mental health. Power makes most people mental and dangerous... "Never trust a politician..." (Star Wars)...
At this point in time, I am beginning to doubt if their nukes are not some rusty, pointy missiles that would probably no longer fly. But who knows?
I mean, there is a slim chance he'll use them. A cornered rat will bite the cat.
If we think about global politics, if he indeed uses them, it's the end of Russia. Either they get nuked too, or they become North Korea 2 - shunned by almost everyone, making them a pariah. So, this will be taken into consideration by other politicians and/or generals who aspire to "replace" him in the future.
The answer is a percentage, which right now is more than 0%, and that alone is frightening. Having that said, conditions have to be met.
First, Russia claims that Ukraine doesn't exist and ukrainian people are russian, nuking what you consider is yours sounds like a terrible idea. For america nuking Hiroshima was relatively painless because you are not affecting your population in any shape or form. Russia has purposefully avoided the use of mass destruction weaponry in some parts of Kyiv in order to protect historical monuments and architecture.
Now most people might not know this, but back in the Syrian civil war American generals were suggesting the idea of using nuclear weapons against the Syrian regime, which back then were rejected. It pretty much shows how eager both sides of the spectrum are to the idea of using nuclear weapons, the menace is there.
m no... and the reason is very simple
activating a nuclear weapon and to make it go off... requires a LOT of different processes to be carried on first
it's not exactly like he just has this big red button and the moment he pushes it the world ends, no... there are protocols he has to first consult, then start, then carry on and go through... and even after that, the bombs have to be readied and settled and all that
if Putin actually wants to go on with something like this, it will be the very end of him... and also many others around him so... the moment he tries to use a nuclear bomb, many of those in his very inner circles will want to take him down so all of them do not end up killed
I know that even Russia has checks and protocols for detonating a nuclear weapon in combat. It actually almost happened twice: once during the Cuba nuclear crisis and again in the 80s when Russia’s missile defense system mistaken cloud lightning over South Dakota as a US icbm launch. Both times a lower ranking officer overstepped his chain of command to prevent it from happening. Thank God, Jesus, Yahweh, Muhammad or whoever it didn’t. We might be standing her today if it did.
With that said it’s always a threat unfortunately and it should be respected as such. But too many of these younger “modern” morons who know nothing of the Cold War keep blowing it off like it’s a video game or something.
@RangerBlue22 right... and it is at these times in particular, in which many, most if not all of those in charge on the nuclear weaponry are at their most high alert, and both ready and willing to override and overstep protocols and authority just in case something unnecessary or stupid has to be prevented
all of these people are trained to make the best decision they can, and not just to follow instructions blindly
And not everybody in Russia is 100% Putin loyal blind fool. But still it’s always a risk. Just because a nuke hasn’t been used since WW2 doesn’t mean it won’t be used again.
But almost the entire world is turned against Russia right now with a notable exception of China (which is trying to play both sides). But China keeps supporting Russia after nukes are deployed they would inevitably start ww3 which will actually harm them. China is dependent on the world and the USA for consumption of its resources giving them a powerful economy. China doesn’t want a world war.
Anyway I really hope that Putin is “dealt with” with someone from his inner circle. Even if that person gets executed it would be worth it.
Don' t be stupid.
The West is slipping in it's own shit by maintaining this proxy war it created with Russia. Putin knows the West isn't going to outlast him, as he has what the West doesn't -money and resources.
Where the cost of living, rising food prices and rising energy bills are causing Western countries worse and worse problems; these aren't issues in Russia. Which not only produces something like 40% of the worlds energy and food, but has survived a decade of state sponsored theft aka "western sanctions".
Regarding "nuclear weapons" - it's a deterrent and nothing more.
Whether he wants to or not, I can’t see the Russian military actually doing it. No one is going to risk nuclear annihilation to save someone’s ego from being bruised. Especially when that ego is attached to jumped up ex-KGB officer.
If Putin elects to try that route, I suspect he’d be taken into custody by the army. What they do to him is anyone’s guess, house arrest would, I think, be most likely. Either way he’s be finished.
yes, tactical. not likely since wipes out an area for quite some time and may have consequences to his land. but if he wants to make a buffer or take out a lot of troops, or make a statement... maybe.
What's his downside? whose gonna fire one back? more sanctions... doesn't care. As well, if one goes off, they will deny and blame it on you know who.
m From what I understand, Putin cannot alone order the usage of nuclear weapons, so there are others that could stop him.
Also, I don’t get his perceived advantage, if he turns areas he wants to rule into a radioactive wasteland?
Technically you are right but... right now if he wanted he could.
Just recently over 12 russian oligarchs and associated died under very similar circumstances, some of them "commited suicide" and killed themselves and their families. If a army general opposes Putin, right now their destiny could be quite similar.
The long and the short of it is that the US and its allies are responsible for everything happening in the Ukraine.
It is just the latest in a long history of crimes against humanity.
Putin is the only guy who has ever stood up to this tyranny so it is little wonder that he is demonised by western media.
All you people playing this record are banging on about how Putin is a crazy dictator and Russian media is propaganda and yet somehow fail to percieve the propaganda you are exposed to yourself, these statements ARE propaganda and you are just repeating them like a parrot.
Perhaps if you were more capable than a colourful caged bird these things wouldn't be happening in the first place?
What you can be certain of is that they aren't going to stop if all you are doing is drinking cool aid.
Do you see what your television has done to your mind yet?
You are trapped inside this binary paradigm where Putin can only be either an angel or the devil.
I am not 'pro war', I am not happy that Russia has invaded the Ukraine but the situation is that Putin has been saying for years that he wants to be friends with the west and the west isn't interested.
For 20 years we have been trying to destroy the Russian economy, we continue to build military bases etc closer and closer to the Russian border etc.
Do you know what the difference is between the Ukraine and Iraq is?
There really are WMD's in the Ukraine and they are US bio weapons labs.
Putin has made it perfectly clear time and time and time again that this isn't ok and there will come a point at which Russia feel forced to act in defence of itself if all this stuff continues and now here we are.
The west could have pulled the plug at any point and started to develop positive relations with Russia but it has chosen not to.
That doesn't make invading the Ukraine ok, it doesn't make it my personal preference. What it does mean however is that the lion's share of blame belongs on the doorstep of the west, not Russia's.
You seem to think that the world is run by good guys (who just happen to be your team) and bad guys (whoever your team is playing against), in reality there are bad guys (Putin) and worse guys (The west), the good guys (JFK) are all murdered.
This war in the Ukraine isn't just about Russia, it is an attack on the people of Europe as well.
Look at the crisis we are all now in.
What did you think that the European leaders thought would happen when they imposed sanctions on a nation they are dependent on for their energy? Do you think that they somehow didn't know or could not see it coming that it would cause more problems for them than it would Russia?
The outcome was obvious to everyone and they did it anyway, now you can believe that it was 'an act of solidarity with Ukraine' if you want to but personally i think that is extremely naive.
There has only ever been one war and that is a class war and it has been raging constantly all over the world all throughout recorded history.
@guffrus So in some ways I do believe the west is responsible. I ultimately think Biden is the one who stoked the flames of the war weeks before it started. Yes, Putin was preparing an invasion, but it was Biden who kept saying "Putin's about to invade, be on the look out. Look, he's gonna do it, he's gonna do it, HE'S GONNA DO IT!" Which I think is what may have provoked Putin to really go ahead and do it.
Not too sure about Putin always wanting to be friends with the west and that the west wasn't interested. We knew he was killing all kinds of people and had all kinds of people locked up in Russian prisons, but we were still happy to work with him. Hell, the man bombed Georgia during the Beijing olympics and we didn't even stop him. He took Crimea all that time back and we didn't stop him then either. Nor did we bother stopping any trade or connections with him that would benefit us, knowing he's done all this dirt.
Regardless of how he feels about the west, attacking Ukraine is invalid. If he has a direct problem with us he should've made it be about only us and our labs, bases, etc. that he feels is a wall against his country.
That is a double standard.
You are saying its ok for us to take covert and or proxy actions but he has to be direct.
Why?
You are taking Putin's statements at face value, which, all due respect, turns you into an useful idiot. Putin is a dictator that recently ordered the death of over 12 oligarchs who didn't support his cause, and russian tv is propaganda. The fact that america and the western world has also engaged into an information war through the news media, does not mean that the first 2 points are untrue.
There used to be and maybe there still are vidoes on youtube where you could listen to Putin speaking about what has been going on.
Good luck finding any of that now though, even if it hasn't all been deleted it will be lost in the search engine under a mountain of bullshit about the Ukraine.
You say he should have confronted the US and its allies directly; if we won't talk what is it exactly you are proposing that he should be doing?
What is it exactly that you think that you could have done in his place that would have been better for Russia than what Putin has done?
It seems to me that he is doing the things which are available to him within the limited framework of choices which are available to him.
What do you think the US would do if a hostile foreign power built military bases on or near its borders?
What did the US do? (and that was with a president like JFK, imagine what it would have been like with someone like Nixon or a Bush at the helm.)
@ozamidas Quote: You are taking Putin's statements at face value
Don't presume to know better than I do what has occured inside my own mind based on absolutely nothing at all.
I believe what he said because what he said was reasonable and consistent with my perception of reality.
You haven't even viewed the source material so quite why you think you have a better understanding of it than I do is a mystery solved only by concluding that you are an insufferable cunt.
Quote: Putin is a dictator that recently ordered the death of over 12 oligarchs who didn't support his cause, and russian tv is propaganda.
Relevance?
Quote me and make it good because you are about one post away from getting blocked right now.
@ManOnFire How?
What do you mean 'how's? If the man can be big and bad towards other nations, hold conversations with China, India, and Iran, then he could easily have discussions with us as well.
You're claiming that for years Putin has been ignored by the west, but you forget the age of Trump where Putin had an ally in him. So at the time there was plenty of his 'concerns' he could've brought up to a buddy who loved him soooo much.
Putin didn't invade the Ukraine while Trump was in power and perhaps some gains were made towards a more healthy relationship in that time I really do think it is true to say that Trump was a geniune president, he really was doing his best to 'make America great again' and do the 'right' thing, from his perspective, but there are serious limitations on what one person can achieve in a relatively small timeframe, even if that person is the US president and that would be true even for a competant person, Trump is literally mentally retarded, he can't possibly have more than about 80 IQ and it wouldn't surprise me if it were only 60.
JFK came close to cleaning house, he was going to do it and he was winning before he was murdered, that is why he was murdered.
You can't just flick a switch and dismantle the corruption in the system, it is infested, utterly. They operate on a long time scale, small but constant incremental changes. That's why the broad policies do not change much from president to president, it makes little difference who is in power, some are literal puppets and just do whatever they are told, like Nixon and very rarely you get someone like Trump, he clearly wasn't 'supposed' to get in (it was obvious, at least to me here in the UK because the media propaganda campaign against him was immediate and constant throughout his entire term.) and he wasn't towing the line, though presumably efforts would be made to manipulate him to go in the desired direction etc and that may have worked to some degree, but Trump was dumb and arrogant and used to making his own choices and I think that would make him hard to control, nothing like Obama, he was a 'company man' for sure, but he was good at it, intelligent, slick, people loved that guy even though he was every bit as corrupt and evil as the likes of Bush, it was during his time in office that the president gained the power to detain anyone indefinitely without charge (so life imprisonment for any or no reason, trial evidence, no trial), they announced that on the radio here and hardly anyone even noticed, I am the only person I know who heard and understood what that meant. That was the end of pretending there is any kind of freedom in the US, 2013 if memory serves.
no evidence, no trial*
He's a wounded animal now. I think he's underestimated by the West and I think that makes him dangerous.
Yes. I think he'll use them. Zelinskyy saying he'll apply for immediate NATO membership in response to Putin saying annexed parts of Ukraine are now part of Russia is a problem. It instantly risks war on a global scale. Either way it's not Russia or Europe that'll lose, it's our grandchildren.
There is some speculation that his own generals will assassinate him if he orders the use of nuclear weapons. That is how much he is dis-liked at this point. He is really a mis-calculating guy. It was a dumb move to try to take over Ukraine. If he were smart, he would admit his mistake and withdraw. But he isn't smart and he is too egotistical so I doubt he will withdraw from Ukraine.
He might, but not easily. This whole war is about Russia trying to become relevant. They're underdeveloped and this is the way they choose to move forward. He very clearly expected a quick victory and he didn't get one. So now he's got his back to the wall and animals make weird leaps when cornered. He knows it's total political suicide to do so, but he may not have any other way forward.
He's a limp d* that's throwing a tantrum. His generals and ministers see how weak he is as well as the soldiers who turn the launch keys. None of them are going to destroy the world for that a-hole.
I can't see. For years his power was built as the "strong man of Russia" and the view of Russia as a serious world military power and as a regional military power but Ukraine shows that Russia cannot even win in their own backyard. Russian military failure in Ukraine makes Putin look weak and in the game he's being playing for 20 years losing means death for him.
He would, but won't also. Russia has turned on its current government. Conscripts that are primarily made up of untrained civilians are going to the front lines and surrendering, i. e. defecting to escape Russia. So while possible, it's unlikely.
Probably not. Dropping nukes in Ukraine would not get him closer to winning the war so strategically it makes no sense. So far I have only seen Putin acting in a rational manner so I do not expect him to just go to work one day and launching nukes for fun.
Anything is possible. He went from being a master strategist to being a fruitcake insane paranoid freakazoid.
And despite what trumpturds think. The entire world should respond promptly if he does use nuclear weapons. We remove this freak from power by any means necessary.
Putin is wasting his time he knows he is losing war to forces of Ukraine they are going to win the war Putin started this war now it's Ukraines turn to end this war and take out Putin's nuclear war heads
Some county or place just needs to send someone To Put a Bullet in his head from a distance. The man makes Every Person look bad.
It's a good thing I don't live in Ukraine cause if I did and he Killed someone I cared about I Would Shoot Putin myself.
You wouldn’t do a goddamn thing and we all know it. Cut the crap.
If Putin Put a Bullet in my mom's head I would put a Bullet in his head.
Wouldn't Reqire any thought just my mom's Dead body Will Provide sufficient Reason to Put a Bullet in his head.
Putin is only President because somebody hasn't Put a Bullet in his head. Men would rather Lose thousands of men than go straight to the source And end the war by simply taking out the leader.
That's why men Are idiots. If I was president Putin would of been dead a Long Time ago and there would be No Proof of it being me as president that Did it.
Actually I had similar ideas, and thought that every single person preaching in favour of whatever war or random violence should be shot dead without hesitation. The more true in case of political leaders, but then probably half of the world population should be executed, and when killing for instance the Russian president, no one knows what will happen next. There are always worse idiots wanting to prove they can do better than the predecessor.
My point is that it's good to be aware of our tendencies, which enables us to keep control over our actual actions. Violence only leads to violence.
Sorry I see you have good intentions but you are very ignorant of what is really going on. And that's nothing special because it's called "occultism" for a reason. It's either hidden from the masses or the masses are just too distracted and brainwashed, but either way are ignorant that conspiracies exist, and spiritual evil fockers conspire to enslave us. Putin is another one on the same team of the "cabal" as is trump and everyone else. How much more obvious can it get? Even when it's coming straight out the mouths of the officials www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...ati-controls-world.html
@petitebabe64 Talking the way you’re talking makes you sound really dumb because you know you can’t do a damn thing to him. They’ll see you coming from a mile away and shoot you dead before you could do a damn thing (that is if you ACTUALLY TRY to follow up your words with actions in the first place) I’ve seen many such people who say he should be assassinated, at least 10 of them on here only but no one could do a damn thing to him yet.
I would find out where Putin would be and When I see him I would either decide to shoot him from a distance with my Sniper or Use my handgun. I’m not afraid to be shot. Im not afraid to die. And I can’t wait Till the day I die. I’m Tired of being Alive. So yes I would Shoot some president Dead If some president Killed Someone I care about and Maybe they would See me First and shoot me dead First. But at Least I will of Died Trying and can finally die.
@petitebabe64 Yeah and you’re literally the only genius in the world who’s thought of doing this. If it was that easy, it would’ve happened already.
It hasn’t happened Already because people aren’t willing to Get Shot I am.
But believe what you want sweetie ❤️
@petitebabe64 Easier said than done but even if you’re willing, you’ll be the only one getting shot. You won’t be able to leave a scratch on Putin and you know that too. I’ve heard at least 20 other people like you say the same nonsense but you know damn well that words and actions are two very different things. It’s super annoying to see people act like they’re so tough.
I'm going to err on the side of "yes" mostly because that's not a bluff we would like to mis-call.
Probably. Option of this buttface are limited and Ukrainians won't give up
Nobody really wants Putin to do this. Once he does then the US would have to get directly involved with the war and all of this are ingredients for WW3.
@freyared Putin is a piece of shit. But he is a very dangerous piece of shit. You can’t take this crap lightly. You have to respect what he is capable of doing which is very different then respecting him as a person
@RangerBlue22 The world is due another World War. Why make it wait?
@RangerBlue22 Your point being? Human lives are cheap and the machine of history needs to grind forward. Why not have fun with it and get the next blockbuster going?
If he uses nukes, I think he knows there's a fair chance Rusdia will be turned into a sheet of glass. From what I've heard he only said he'd do it in retaliation
Nope Ukraine is too close to Russia the radiation will effect Russia too.
He may think about it, but his generals would most likely find another way if the order were given.
Nah I think he's bluffing. However, you never know with such a mindless short tempered idiot.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Do you?
Not be naïve but I don’t think he will use it for Ukraine. Russia is not the only one country able to nuke on other countries.
The thing is. Using nuke does not give him advantage on the battlefield - They would still lose. Only thing using nuke would do is making Putin even bigger target.
"The man is slipping in his own shit in Ukraine, and even losing support from India and China. So along with this fake "referendum" he's threatening the use of nuclear weapons"
Fake news.
No. The Russian military is already unhappy. They will boot him out if he orders it.
No he’s bluffing. They probably wouldn’t even work end up nuking himself.
I’m leaning more towards “no” than yes, but people need to stop looking at Putin’s actions through Western eyes. The man doesn’t play by our rules. We have to stop acting like he does.
He will do it. He thinks he's all big and bad and his little minion KGB Agent will tell his other minions who wear red hats what to do
I'm really unsure, I originally thought he was bluffing, but he's fucking nutters so who knows. Crazy fool.
He's a bigger bungler than Trump!-and that's bad... Real bad... Trump still has his cult.
@Sabretooth bungler was dementia biden who allowed an invasion
@888theGreat you can't blame Biden for that.
@Sabretooth yes I can, Trump stopped him. Biden is an idiot
@888theGreat he's been Putin's biggest buddy and supporter! Can't you show even a modicum of intelligence?
@Sabretooth Of course he can't, he supports Trump what do you expect
it feels like there's no bottom. if Putin invaded us with Trump as president... Trump would be singing Russian national anthem... or, try to, at any rate. I'd pay to see Trump on his own underwear... 50 bucks says he can't even do that. he wanted to meet the queen... he'd be lucky if he was graced with an audience with the court jester...
Just like every other dictator. He's more bark than bite. he knows he fucked up, and now he tries to use big words to hide from his failures.
Only if he is forced to, by Western provocations, which are intended to start a war.
Soros et al. want a war to hasten their Great Reset.
No. I think his commanders will shoot him before the order is ever carried out
I hope that he isn't really serious about using them!
Sorry but I must say he’s a total bully and a pussy and he would have done it by now
Mans a disgrace and a coward
If Putin uses nukes, it will not be until after the USA uses nukes.
Probably true. The Russian president, although having a rather evil agenda, but being more intelligent than most dictators, knows that very well. This should push the USA leader (s) to act with very much caution. No need to add that no one ever will benefit from a nuclear conflict.
Bring on the nukes, I say. The world is an absolute disaster now, sinful, degenerate, and disgusting. Bring on a war and let the people realize how good they had it before.
Yeah bring civilization back a few thousand years. Because that's what the world needs? You could care less about the world. Go to a remote island. You can then live like a caveman.. because that's what you want. Then you don't have to worry about degenerate and disgusting.. actually.. go back in time and you tell me how great it was. Every time has it's downsides. Where there is bad there is good because there always is one force to fight another. Complain and groan.. you wouldn't last... Sorry for your miserable life.
It's entirely possible that he'd use a nuclear weapon in Ukraine. The response should be even harsher economic isolation.
Hope so. Right now he's at the stage of nut up or shut up. So he's out of wiggle room now.
Nut up or shut up love it🤣
I’ll be honest I haven’t really been following it.
If any nation uses a nuclear weapon in anger, ESPECIALLY the most scrutinized and surveiled nuclear power on earth (the former Soviet Union), that government would have missiles incoming before theirs hit the target.
Ivan might be crazy, but he’s not stupid.
I think desperation makes a fool of all. He's getting desperate, he has not much left to lose. He's already destroyed his credibility, russias economy for the next decade at least, his popularity at home, many thousands of his soldiers are dead and dozens of material are destroyed, and he risks his life if he gives up or fails. I think he will if he's pushed much farther.
He also has a peace envoy waiting for the west to appoint one. The west is laundering too much money in the war though to even consider negotiating or letting peace break out.
I don't know, but if the world is going to shit and there is nothing we can do to reprieve it, maybe one would think that if they are going to be screwed or destroyed they might as well take the rest of the world with them.
The ass needs to be removed from this planet
It's in nobody's interest to use nukes, it just wipes out so much for so little benefits. It's like using a flame thrower to kill a cockroach : sure the roach is dead, but you just burnt your whole house in the process.
No. Its BS bluffing on his part.
He uses that nuclear weapon and Russia will probably disappear from the map and his family dies as well.
And most likely a Russian near him would kill him first.
Why would he want to conquer a ☢ wasteland? And risk his own country becoming one too.
No idea, but I was wondering as well. G@G friends, think You Putin’ll drop the bomb? G@G friends, do You think many liked Roger’s song? G@G friends, am I really dying? Oy vey!
He's bluffing. He's doing all of this for legacy. Destroy the world and he has no legacy. But it's enough to keep the West from doing anything substantial.
If anyone uses a nuclear weapon in anger their government will cease to exist in short order.
I sure hope not but if he does - put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye 😞
If he invaded Ukraine & is willing to draft his people in a war, that's not going as he had planned, I mean he could drop a nuke. Do I think he will NO, but with the facts, YES
As a last resort, he definitely will. Never push a nuklear power too far.
I had a dream about a month ago that the nuke was realsed. 😐
@Fuentes I've had dreams that came true. But I hope this doesn't happen. 😭
@Fuentes Well in my dream I was there (I'm from California) and I was running away from it. I was shocked not because the nuke was realsed but because it was realsed in that moment. I guess I was thinking "I can't believe it's happening right now at this moment". Other people were running away too. It was falling down slowly but you could clearly see it, it was big.
Known as the “Ground-based Midcourse Defense” (GMD), the system's basic premise is simple: incoming warheads are tracked by radar and satellite and targeted by defensive “interceptor” missiles, launched from the bases in Alaska and California—a task sometimes described as “hitting a bullet with a bullet.”
Found this on Google
I don't. I think the idea is to get Ukraine to the table.
It was nice knowing y'all.
Bro what does he have to lose? Of course he will use them America has used them TWICE!
God I hope so. Get real tired of California's Shit.
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