What does Traditional Values mean to you?

[OddBeMe]

What are its traits? Are they that important?

Whats your emotional response to the phrase? Eww!, nostalgia, happiness?

[ClaudiaGalll1996]

Typical traditionalism to me looks like marriage, house, kids, the nuclear family, the stay at home mum/wife and the working dad. Unfortunately, a lot if deeply embedded homophobia, sexism, misogyny, domestic violence and abuse gets skimmed over when it comes to those that idolise the traditional lifestyle. I think traditionalism is fine, I'm fairly traditional, but we should allow room to be able to adapt and mix with modern times as well. Like, having a traditional family and marriage, given that's what both parties want, is amazing and that's what my husband and I did/do. But also we both have modern views, etc.

My husband and I are fairly traditional people but more 'modern' about it. Nothing wrong with it. It's important to keep up with change and progress. We felt we can still be traditional and also have modern values. We support mental health, and we're progressive people but we're more traditional in our own way. My husband and I met at 17 and started dating when we were 19 and engaged at 21 and married when we were 23-Years-Old. We are both 26 now and I'm 3 months pregnant with our first child, planned. We want 2-3 kids, the house, a great marriage and the white picket fence. So, I guess you could call us 'traditional' by modern standards. We are modern too. I've been working full-time since I was 23 and I've always had jobs from the age of 17 to present day and enjoy my independence. I've also got two associates degrees and I bought and paid off my own new car earlier this year by myself. Yet, when this baby comes I'm taking 1 full year off of work to be home as a SAHM while my husband will be taking 8 weeks off and then returning to work full-time and being the stereotypical 'breadwinner'. In our country maternity leave can be up to 1 year for the mother and up to 8 weeks of parental leave for the father, so that's what we are doing. That's just a dynamic that fits us and what we wanted. We have those old school traditional love and family values but we are modern about it. For example, I have had a career and after a year off work I want to go back to my career and eventually advance towards a bachelors degree, my husband supports my higher education and I support him with his goals. He is happy to work full-time and 'bring home the bacon' as the expressions goes the first year of parenting and I stay home with the child when they're born and dyeing fheir first year. So we have some old school styles but we have some modern stuff mixed in for good measure. My husband and I are both alleys to the LGBTQA community, we are very proactive and supportive of mental health, and our first two years we were married I was on birth control because we planned our baby around our 3rd anniversary. I get vibes in super traditionalism that these are things people don't have/do but our first 3 year of marriage were amazing and our first year we travelled a lot and then our 2nd/3rd year we spent working a lot and buying a house. In super traditional times like the post-war 1950's things were also more affordable and families woukd survive on one income which is also not often the case now. I know when our baby is older I'll need to go back to work full-time too. So being flexible is important. So yes, we have the marriage, house and then the baby, and we were high school sweet hearts too and had a big, traditional wedding, but we are also adaptable and progressive with the times.

[Summeroflove]

I just don't want a dead beat retard wife who I just walk around cleaning up her shit and wiping her ass all day long.

There are so many sexist women who want all the traditional things a woman gets like paying for stuff and saying home but then it is sexist to want her to cook or clean but she still expects chivalry.

Nahhh... Most conservative women are pretty hard working and not double standard unless she is a annoying fake conservative

[WhitneySnow]

Some traditional values are good but a lot are code for sexism and LGBTQ phobia

[OddBeMe]

This

[Exterminatore]

Not This

[OddBeMe]

@Exterminatore yeah this

[TruthBringer]

Dunno if this is just an American thing, but I'm yet to find a traditional person in my country who is inheritely sexist and/or treats the other sex in a sexist manner. Quite the opposite actually. They may not agree with the LGBT ideology, but aren't portraying any behavior towards it that would consider them to be "phobes". Not agreeing and being "phobic" for something are not the same thing. That's just another ad hominem tactic aimed at people who just don't buy into your little LGBT bubble.

[zeitgeist057]

I believe many others have given some great answers to this question which more or less say something similar to my answer. Traditional values means the status quo, or mainstream, majority rules, the "norm".

Things like heterosexuality, marriage, common jobs and life paths. All the "weird stuff" is those things that are deviations from the norm. The obvious stuff is sexual or gender oriented, you know like a woman *gasp* wanting to do something traditionally identified as being a male career path. Other examples would be people who live life a little differently, perhaps they have an uncommon profession, hobby, or perspective.

"weirdos"

To the question "are they (these traits) important?", I would say something is neither important nor unimportant other than it either matters to some subjective beings or it doesn't, whether those beings are squirrels, whales, or humans. With that in mind, I would say that for most of humanity they are important. Humans are in general, social animals, who obtain part of their mental and emotional health from their interactions with others of their species. If they are accepted and have positive interactions, their health benefits. If they are rejected, their health and mental state generally declines. Being accepted often has a lot to do with whether they are acting in a similar fashion.

Some members of the species will step outside the parameters of "normal" behavior and try something new once in a while. Mostly these deviations from the norm are met with disapproval, but sometimes they result in new discoveries or a following of other members of the species who enjoy the alternative path, activity, mindset, &c. So we can see that the basic structure of their society is designed to dissuade too much innovation and creativity. A certain amount is tolerated and even encouraged, but it must still be within the established boundaries of normalcy. Looking for a cure for cancer or a new energy source is fine, but sexual deviance or practices such as cannibalism are frowned upon.

My emotional reaction to the phrase "ewww! nostalgia, happiness?" is mirth.

[slatyb]

When people say "traditional values", they are telling me they are uncomfortable with people who don't look and act as they do.

[OddBeMe]

That’s the context I get too.

[Agagagagaga]

What an odd thing to say.

[slatyb]

@Agagagagaga What's so odd about that. I'm far from alone in hearing "Let's go back to the days when everyone other that white heterosexual Christian males were considered second class citizens."

[Exterminatore]

@slatyb

Yup. I’m not comfortable with those who want to murder babies in the womb, nor those who want to make my country into a 3rd world cesspool through illegal immigration. I’m not comfortable with boys who dress as girls and promote it as virtue. I’m not comfortable moral degenerates. Not comfortable with people who want to make every race and creed a victim of the most evil straight white Christian male. Not comfortable with people who think Christian nationalism and white nationalism are actually things. Not comfortable with men or anyone for that matter making out in public. Also not comfortable with the following: promotion of pedophelia, gay parades, men wearing make up, lewedness, wantoness, reveling, anarchy, godless communism, variance, evil concupiscence, licentiousness, debauchery, and internal enemies of the constitution.

And do you feel comfortable with conservative people? Of course not. We are a breed apart.

So yeah, people who are born males and wear woman’s clothes and prance around ain’t my kind. There’s nothing wrong with that.

[slatyb]

@Exterminatore When it's born, it's a baby. Until then it's a fetus. An unconscious fetus until well past the 24th week of gestation. The belief that a fetus is a person is a religious belief.

As for the rest, you are free to stay at home with the blinds closed so you don't have to see anything that distresses you

[Exterminatore]

@slatyb

No. That’s called sociopath word games.

“I didn’t steal I just borrowed it without asking and no intent to return.”

Just like:

“It’s not a baby it’s a fetus.”

I do exactly that, but the blinds stay open.

The point is, there is nothing wrong with people feeling uncomfortable with completely different values then they have.

[TruthBringer]

The irony in this is that it actually is the way around (as well). People who do not believe in traditional values are hell-bent on attacking those who do believe in them. Calling them all kinds of "phobes" and "ists". Which then opened a Pandora box of even more backlash for the 'different' people to use as even more ammo.

[slatyb]

@Exterminatore no, there isn't. You feel what you feel. What's wrong? Forcing others to hide themselves for your comfort.

[Exterminatore]

@sakty

Forcing?

You mean like this:

Do you approve of homosexuality?

No, I’m very religious.

Then you’re a hatemongor.

Do you believe trans men should play womens sports

No

Then your a trannyophobe

Do you support illegal immigration

No, it’s a huge economic issue and national security issue

Then you’re a xenophobe

Did you kiss a Muslim today?

No

Then your an islamaphobe

All jargon to attempt to shame and belittle people into accepting your views and all cognitive distortions.

Disapproving of homosexuality is not equal to wanting to burn them at the steak. You can disagree and hate.

So who forces their opinions on you.

Listen I have a rule. No conversation with the illogical or stupid. There’s no point trying to explain to dumb people wise concepts. They can’t grasp them.

Conversation over. I’m not replying to anything further.

[Exterminatore]

*Disagree and not hate

[TruthBringer]

So many idiotic answers in the comment section. All ranging from claiming traditional values means that you should be some homophobe, racist or sexist. Unbelievably delusional and goes to show these people never met a person who believes in traditional values. But happy to see a FEW comments that are still worthy of listening to.

The main and TRUE traditional values as I believe them to be are as follows:

FAMILY.

DISCIPLINE.

HONOR.

MODESTY.

DUTY.

HUMILITY.

CHIVALRY.

As a traditional man, I am indeed the leader (note: leader not a tyrant) within the relationship and household. Also the (main) provider and also the protector. When shit hits the fan, I'm the one who steps up to deal with it. I make sure that my woman is treated fairly and has everything she needs so she can relax. My hands are rough so her hands are soft and feminine. We take modesty & professionality seriously in public and only keep our sexuality within our relationship. And when the time comes to have kids, I as a man will make sure they grow up in a healthy nuclear family.

[Anonymous]

Means that the man is the head of the household, full stop.

The man should strive to support his family

No birth control (condoms are what men use outside of marriage to not get caught.)

A man shouldn't have sex outside of his marriage, but if he does it's only because his wife is frigid.

Divorce is VERY difficult to obtain.

People do not cohabitate before marriage

The woman should stay at home at keep the house

A woman should know how to cook and have a hot meal ready when her husband comes home

A woman should make sure her husband is satisfied in the bedroom.

Once a woman is married she is expected to quit whatever job she might have to become a homemaker.

Marital r*pe would be legal again.

A man could punish his wife as long as there was no need to go to a hospital.

Being gay would be illegal. However, I propose we do like Iran and the state finance/ impose sex changes on gay men in lieu of licking them up for 20 years before castrating and releasing them... If they want to be women in bed they should be women the rest of the time... But that's just me wanting to be humane, that's not "traditional"

Men and boys wear britches and suits, women and girls wear skirts and dresses.

The ERA wouldn't exist.

And black people can't vote

[TruthBringer]

Those aren't values. Those are mindsets and behaviors you think traditional people in general uphold. Which are far from the truth and things I'm yet to witness in myself or anyone I know who is traditional. What a twisted belief to have. Guess that's what you get taught when you're stuck in a leftist echochamber.

The real values of that are 'traditional' have to do with family, chivalry, honor, courtesy, humility, sincerity, modesty, duty, etc. True values very lacking in the 'modernized' western society of today.

[Opinion Owner]

@TruthBringer Values are mindsets, these are just the realities of "traditional values" that people like to ignore... This is what those values lead to, history has proven this.

[TruthBringer]

That can literally be said about every mindset and community out there. There are always bad apples everywhere. That doesn't mean the actual values are bad.

[dustybiker]

I think if you keep the ridged rulebook from back in the 40-50’s it sounds bad now.

If you modernize it, but keep things such as consequenses for your children. Everyone puts effort into the home together, chores bills, etc shared. Spending time together, and such. You can still want traditional values with cutting out all the power controls.

[dustybiker]

Whoever smirked me on this might as well block me. 🤣

[OddBeMe]

I only smirk in real life.

[HorggleThorp]

Why would you modernize it?

[dustybiker]

@HorggleThorp Bigger question. Why wouldn’t you?

[HorggleThorp]

Modernizing things and changing things is not necessarily good. That’s an appeal to time fallacy. If you had 100% on a math test, would you go back and ask your teacher to change it to a wrong answer? Change is not necessarily good.

[dustybiker]

@HorggleThorp I think I made pretty good basic points as to why change is good in my original opinion. Woman don’t need to be stuck in a role. Few men want them to be.

[HorggleThorp]

I do agree that sometimes change can be good.

[DoctorSex]

Tradition meaning that which has stood the test of time within a culture. Value being that which acts as a backbone that built a culture, and if taken away, can start the proces of cultural degradation.

I have no opinions about any one of the LBTQ movements. Let people be free to use their bodies how they see fit with a consenting party.

However if we are talking about the western culture (and most other cultures to be fair), the western culture wasn't built with LGBT families. So it is not a value. Neither is it a tradition for families to be formed under the banner of LGBTQ.

Now has unorthodox situationships existed within the grey areas of society?

Of course. But replacing the backbone that has stood the best of time, withering away the foundational beam that upholds the house, is doomed to lead to destruction.

Kind regards,

DoctorSex

[OddBeMe]

Did you know that all bones aren’t the same ones you had two years ago? We are in a constant state of change that our literal backbones are technically “swapped out” every two years. Funny huh?

[WindAtMyBack]

It means people say mother and father instead of baby daddy and baby mama. It's soooo sickening to hear people say that.

It means like the era before the hippies decided that people can do whatever the fuck they want with no consequences. Actually the hippies still had fairly high values, but a certain segment of it evolved into something very different. There was some good that came out of that movement, but I think there was more bad than good.

Yea, I was part of it. We were out of control. The problem is that we rejected everything that came before us, instead of admitting that not everything from the past was bad, and some of it should stay intact.

[OddBeMe]

This may be a common misunderstanding with “progressives”. But we dont usually say out with everything from the past cuz it sucks.

[WindAtMyBack]

That might be true today, but in the 60s and 70s young people rejected almost everything that came before them. Like the famous quote "Don't trust anyone over 30". That was repeated a lot.

I really believe a lot of it was because of television. It was a new medium unlike anything that came before. People were seeing things that had never been seen before in the history of man. Young people tend to react strongly to things they see about the world, but that was greatly amplified by scenes they saw on television. They reacted very strongly to it.

[OddBeMe]

such as every infant movements. can't say the jan 6ers aren't mature either...

[HighValue]

Being exclusive/faithful to your partner, not stealing, no drugs, the man is the protector of the family and the decision maker (and has to take responsibility for the results of his decisions), making time for your SO each week (a date night/day) and to have family time each week once you have kids (game/movie night/day or some other regular activity together). Don't discuss any disagreements with people outside of your family to try to get them on someone's side or "win" instead of finding an acceptable solution to a problem. If the man is stupid and the majority of his decisions end in bad results for the family he loses his decision making ability.

Don't push transgender agenda onto kids or talk them into getting hormone blockers that sterilize them and damage them for their entire lives.

[OddBeMe]

What were the crime rates “then” compared to today?

[Chlo3_2001]

I respect traditionalism and while it may make others happy, it's not for everyone, and that is okay. I really like that in this day and age people can choose. As long as everyone respects everyone and no one hurts each other it's all good. For me? I am not super traditional. I think modern traditionalism maybe? I like to work, have a career and I don't want to have children and if I get married I would like my husband to take my name rather than I, taking his. So I that sense I am not your typical traditionalist. But I do like the idea of marriage eventually, building a happy life with a husband, etc. Some of my friends are traditional and married, etc but they're the traditional kind that isn't homophobic or sexist, which is unfortunately embedded in a lot of the old school traditional style and Nuclear families.

[Anonymous]

Traditional values just mean things that are *absolute truths* that transcend any time period going forward. They are proven to work (when practiced correctly, that is) time and time again, no matter much we progress and advance in our society. We all practice them in some form or another. Some more or less than others.

.:: Traditional values ::.
------------------------------------
- Chivalry/Women and children first.
- Family.
- Discipline.
- Abstinence before marriage.
- Marriage/Commitment.
- Sex/Gender roles.
- Humility/modesty.
- Shall not lie.
- Shall not murder.
- Shall not steal.
- Shall not be infringed.
- Due Process.

[Exterminatore]

Fully agree.

[OddBeMe]

Well I guess even “absolute truth” is opinion anyway, so I don’t have to pick apart this dumbass list.

[TruthBringer]

Great list! Values worthy of following. Glad I'm in a traditional relationship myself.

[OddBeMe]

If that’s true than those “values” were broken more by traditional men than progressive ones.

[purplepoppy]

Isn't it a time when you could give your wife a black eye if dinner was late? When you could hurl racist abuse at an Asian shopkeeper or lynch a black guy who looked at your wife? And let's not forget the long list of old/dead people who recently been got exposed as paedos. If you think life was better then just browse the archives of your local press.
Real values are timeless.

[Exterminatore]

Yeah, cause that stuff happened all the time. In the Deep South, they just casually hang blacks, no worries. Always did.

In 1950’s America no housework ever got done because all the wives were frequently unconscious from the daily beatings.

No era in history were perfect, however we didn’t have an epidemic of boys wanting to nt girls, we all knew what bathroom to use, abortion didn’t exist except in back allies with coat hangers. There was no debate if we should murder children in the room. Children were disciplined and not treated as equals and “friends” of the parent. They were taught right from wrong and disciplined, rather then being pumped full of self esteem psychology and sent into the world believing they are better than everyone else and entitled. Spoiled narcissist children running around, left to their own devices describes the current situation. Anyway, carrying on, military grade weapons were available in 1950 to the general public, more than capable of conducting a mass shooting with. It’s strange though because there was no such things as mass shootings. There were almost no single moms either. Lucy and Desi slept in separate beds on TV despite being married to not give the impression or promote immorality. Now sitcoms are full of the most vile garbage. Crack didn’t exist. Meth didn’t exist. No one was smoking weed in every street corner. Lyrics 1950: “I love my calendar girl.” Music 2000: “Bitches ain’t shit but hoes and tricks.” How wholesome.

People dressed with style and class, now women walk around looking like harlots and people think it’s great transvestites have parades. No one was promoting trannies or homosexuals in 1950. Now whole scale degeneracy is promoted.

Yeah, tell me again how much better things are today.

As if…. AS IF it’s even close to true there was a dead black guy hanging from every tree and every wife was battered. That’s complete BS and a warped fabrication of the whole of society brought to us by liberals.

[Exterminatore]

*murder children in the womb not room.

[Alcoholic_Wannabe]

It means somehow having enough brain damage to believe that EVERYTHING was better in the "good ol" days just because everyone was smiling in old pictures. 😒

[Alcoholic_Wannabe]

I wonder if the two people who disagreed know that suicide is an option if they want to escape reality?

[NathanDavis]

actual traditional values?

or... do you mean the times in which men could just easily pick a young girl to get... instead of having to prove themselves worthy of a woman that can already be herself by herself?

[NathanDavis]

the good ol' times... lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4SuA-Oko3c

[OddBeMe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtwW_tKtnxE

[NathanDavis]

50's and 60's... median age for men to marry was close to 25 years old, while for women it was closer to 19 of age

so, when women were not married by age 20... they would very likely bring shame to their families, such was the tradition back then... lol

[OddBeMe]

Why don’t you just have a seat.

[NathanDavis]

I'm not pretty enough to just do that and only that

[bamesjond0069]

Traditional is best. Like 500 BC traditional. I'm really not into this modern garbage at all. 1950s is great when society is set up to support you and help you maintain. When society is a free for all cuckoldry poly Satan worshipper facial tat trannys... well we need to be even more traditional than 1950s.

[Iron_Man]

Old school values just like that picture good Christian religious people with a good proper upbringing and good proper training

[OddBeMe]

How do you know they’re Christian?

Could be Satanists enjoying hotdogs.

[Iron_Man]

They don’t look like it

[OddBeMe]

Just how we like it.

[Iron_Man]

Was your family like leave it to beaver the TV show like the picture

[AndrésC64]

Republican/conservative/regressive talking points about "The good ol' days."

[Snakeyes7]

I believe having a mother and a father leads to the best likelihood that the child is going to be a productive citizen as opposed to being a psychotic criminal.

[Amarah0]

Having little to no rights. A house keeper, incubator and a nanny within a marriage.

[SmokinAces2000]

I can’t think of any “traditional value” that would improve my life in any way

[msc545]

It means you have a time machine and are able to go back to the Midwest in the US in 1952 and live happily.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Not a damn thing. I don't subscribe to the vaules of this world nor what man has to say on how I ought to live my life.

[lauraanne02]

As a woman, it means having no rights