Fast food is not the type of work a person is supposed to be living off of. I’m sorry, but I cannot be on board with a job that requires no skill set, no educational background, doesn’t require you to put your life in danger to any capacity paying more than minimum wage.
The issue to me is just how much it costs to survive. Minimum wage as fine as long as the basic costs of living are regulated to something manageable.
The bottom line for me, and it’s going to sound rude, but I’m just trying to be totally honest…. look around at humanity. I really don’t mean to be mean, but most people seem pretty fucking stupid and incapable to me, through no fault of their own. Like the ceiling of their natural capacities even in ideal circumstances is still “no skill set, no education”, as you imply. I don’t really feel like people are meant to hold jobs, because just going through my life, I can’t help but notice that more often than not, people suck at their jobs. I have the lowest of low expectations for human performance, and unless you want to be stepping over the corpses of starved people in the streets and dealing with resulting insects, rodents, disease, and just the ghastly sight and horrible smell of it all, then you have to find a way to keep people supported on a basic level.
Humans are just another species of animal. In the wild, there’d be way less of us, we’d sink or swim as viable/unviable organisms, we’d be disappeared and processed or recycled in the same ways the dead bodies of every other creature on Earth are. OR you can have organized society, but that means no more “sink or swim.” But there’s no walking in the middle of that street if you ask me. Pick a lane and lean into whichever you pick.
I agree with you fully. Fast food jobs are supposed to be for teenagers and college-aged part time working adults. If you're a grown adult working in fast food, especially not living with your parents or as a manager, then you've failed in life and that's no one else's fault but your own. I say this as someone who started out poorer than 99% of all of you on GAG and actually worked at a Taco Bell/Pizza Hut, a Wendy's, and a Subway, between 18 and 21.
"Fast food jobs can't pay a living wage." Yeah, no sh*t. That's kinda the point. Take your ass to Community College or learn a trade skill, stupid.
My first job was delivering pizza for Domino’s. Lol
Another man who wants to attack people just trying to survive instead of attacking the rich fucks who underpay him for intensive labor.
All jobs should pay a living wage. ALL of them.
It should be impossible to have a job and be unable to afford shelter at the same time for literally anybody.
That being said, labor intensive job owners have been taking advantage of their employees since the dawn of time.
If YOU do all the work, the rich fuck who sat on his ass smoking cigars and filling out paperwork shouldn’t make all of the profit.
"All jobs should pay a living wage. ALL of them."
That's literally Communism. No, no one is obligated to give you money for doing something so low-skill, a robot or AI can do it. You're 29 and haven't learned this yet, which must mean you have a worthless job a robot could replace you n.
Agree. A living wage is earned. Taco Bell workers should not have a living wage.
You will say these things and then cry when you can’t buy a burger or taco bell due to nobody wanting to slave away for nothing.
Slave away for nothing? Fast food workers hardly even have a job sweetheart. And I don’t even eat fast food. Lol
@NotTacocaT6969
Quite frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about. You don't even understand the basics.
@NotTacocaT6969
Go to any country outside of America, especially a non-Western one, and see how wrong you are. I actually LIVE in South Korea, and while it's still a crappy fast food job, many of them pay way more than they do in the US and the cost of food isn't affected by that at all (it's affected by currency exchanges, meaning the food costs the same as it does in the US, but Korean money makes it seem like it's slightly more expensive because the US dollar is worth more than Korean won). We do have adults in their 20s and early 30s working fast food in Korea, cause they pay a lot more money; probably $16 an hour. And MOST major fast food franchises can easily do this; the issue is greed and them not wanting to, nor having any incentive to. You're incredibly naïve if you believe in this BS myth that McDonalds and Burger King somehow can't afford to pay its workers $16 an hour without the cost of food going up. I literally live in a country right now where they do.
@NotTacocaT6969
Now whether they SHOULD pay them more or not is a different story, and in the US, they shouldn't because in most of these places where they do, like South Korea, fast food chains are few and far between (for example, there's only two Burger Kings and one McDonalds in the entire city I live in, Suwon, ). But all I'm saying is that they CAN without it affecting customer prices by much of anything. Here's a Quora question explaining how it would cost very little to raise the prices of the workers to $15 an hour.
www.quora.com/If-fast-food-restaurants-pay-their-employees-15-an-hour-how-expensive-will-a-burger-be
They cited In-N-Out Burger paying their customers $16 an hour, and president, Lynsi Torres, is still a billioniare.
qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/.../Lynsi-Torres1.jpg
Along with an article saying how raising the prices would only cost customers 4% more in food prices.
www.marketwatch.com/.../raising-fast-food-hourly-wages-to-15-would-raise-prices-by-4-study-finds-2015-07-28
Like I said though, in the US, they'd sooner replace workers with technology than do that. Which I'm not arguing is right or wrong; it's simply reality.
In a functioning economy, productivity and compensation represented on a graph will mirror eachother.
The productivity vs compensation graph is available to the public and it shows that we are living in a dystopian nightmare where not only is the economy about to crash, but they managed to fool the more gullible people into believing this is normal and acceptable.
Welp, it’s not.
The USA will fall first and it will take a large majority of the world with it.
But keep repeating the nonsense the suits and cigars fed you. I’m sure repeating it often enough will prevent your great-grandchildren from having to fight a war you gave a high five to.
@NotTacocaT6969
You're just spouting complete nonsense now.
I explained calmly and rationally how fast food chains COULD play their workers more, like they do in other countries, if there were fewer chains and less customers going there, which is the case in other smaller countries than the US, such as South Korea. The food costs wouldn't go up, but unless fast food got a lot less popular, they'd not be able to hire too many people, which would cause more unemployment.
So either everyone gets a job, getting paid very little. Or only a few people get a job, getting paid $15-16 an hour, such as in Korea, or In-N-Out Burger in the US, which is a very small franchise of restaurants, mostly just in California.
On the personal level, I said fast food work is low-skill, unnecessary work that AI and robots could easily replace workers with. So you should be grateful that these corporations haven't taken the most business-smart approach and fired most of their workers for touchscreen kiosks and sandwich making robots, which is the most cost effective way to run these places. You can whine all day how "unfair" that is, but that's reality.
The fact they haven't done that yet, means they still do give somewhat of a sh*t about their low-skill employees. Low-skill employees who literally don't deserve a "living wage" due to how replaceable they are and how if you're working fast food as an adult living on your own, you're basically a loser in life and made too many mistakes, which is no one else's problem but your own.
I also said I don't side with the billionaires; I'm just telling you what reality is. But sure; whine about "capitalism evil" all day long. That won't change reality, though. What are YOU doing to create jobs and employee people, exactly?
You wouldn't like my state. In six weeks the minimum wage will be $15.74 per hour.
I'm all for it. I hired a lawyer once, and I had to fire him because he misspelled at least one word per sentence.
That’s around what it is in my state. Panda Express is paying 17.50 per hour for team members here. Lol
Ridiculous
Not really. I was at a mandatory meeting and they brought in a very smart financial expert.
At the end of his speech, he asked us if we had any questions.
I asked him what causes inflation. Without skipping a beat, he said "unions."
I remember when a candy bar was 50 cents. So why are they now $1.50? What changed?
Unions.
"You wouldn't like my state. In six weeks the minimum wage will be $15.74 per hour."
Yeah, and then less people will have jobs because of that, since there's less money to go around per individual. That's assuming robots and AI don't replace them first. I know you didn't make a point supporting it or against it, but so many lazy, useless f*cks in society think they're entitled to money when they're not. These same people are the ones who are unwilling to do the work illegal immigrants do, and own $1,200 iPhones. But they think their high school degree entitles them to be making $25 an hour with no job experience. The entitlement of such worthless people nowadays is insane. And no, I'm not siding with the rich greedy f*ck billionaires either. They just happen to make more sense than the lazy entitled Zoomers wanting free money, despite being useless and having no work ethic.
You USUALLY get paid what you're worth. These losers don't get it, yet.
@Revvl
Where YOU live. Important distinction. Where YOU live. And that's probably an area with a low technology hub, cause touchscreen kiosks are way cheaper and easier to maintain, and all you'd need is three or so kitchen staff to maintain a full restaurant. South Korea is like that all the time here, but the entire country has a strong tech industry.
I am not wrong. Except for when I am. Which is not now.
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Gotta love this post cause it's a great example of what DELUSION is. People who think that they are smart but they are truly stupid and can't see it. Yes, you are right that fast food jobs should not pay as much as "labor intensive" jobs but you are stupid if you think that it should to be living off of. They paycheck must raise for EVERY job and not drop for some jobs.
You are so stupid (you and everyone else that agrees with you) that you have no fucking idea what you're fucking saying and promoting! Great job, idiot! 🐑🐑🐑
Wow that’s an excellent point. You said absolutely nothing of remote value dumbass. You probably work in fast food and got your feelings hurt. Sorry you’re as worthless as could possibly be. Not my fault 🤷♂️
You must be living in the fucking 40's, dipshit.
There are no "class" jobs any more. A McDonalds manager in a shitty location can be making barely minimum wage. But one in an upper class neighbourhood could be walking away with six figures.
The labour of any job is largely irrelevant. It's all about being able to negotiate the contract, and get the right opportunities. Labour is almost always outsourced.
What a profoundly stupid remark. Wouldn’t expect any different from a jackass like you.
Working in a fast food restaurant is a job and a shitty one. Market forces should determine how much a person working in it should be paid, basically based on how much the business produces and the willingness of people to actually work in there.
i agree. In a freemaerket economy the market decides how much a job is worth. If you are paying burger flippers 30 bucks an hour you will have to charge 10-12 buck for a quarter pounder. People will not want to pay that and eventually the store will close.
Already there are companies developing automation systems to take the place of these people so eventually these jobs will become obsolete.
Why would you care about that? How does it affect you in any way? Some people just don’t have the mental capability to learn a skill that pays well, and no amount of education will help them. I worked at McDonalds when I was a student, half were students, half were complete idiots incapable of anything else. I still wouldn’t like to see them starving or on the streets.
Unskilled labor absolutely should NOT be paid as much as skilled labor. Only leftists and worthless piece of shit communists want that kind of thing.
I agree 100%. Fast food jobs are for teenagers or college students. Anyone who needs a so called living wage should be working harder and smarter than that.
If they were smart, they'd get a trade job, or learn how to hustle, like I did. Or if they live in California, just turn to free crime. In that state, being a shoplifter IS working "smarter" cause of how awful the politicians are. Anyone working fast food and expecting a "living wage" (which really means a new $1,200 iPhone every three months and a new $120 pair of Nikes every two months), deserves exactly what their paychecks turn out to be. And I slaved at a Taco Bell, Wendy's, and Subway when I was younger (and still living with my mom). I said "f*ck this!" and went to Community College instead, and did work-study jobs there.
i agree that fats food jobs shouldn't be someones career in that sense , intended as more entry level to get into the workforce than someones forever job
Saying that a job shouldn't be paid a living wage is saying that you think people who do it shouldn't be able to survive.
Pay the amount you need to pay until there are no longer people lining up for the jobs you need to fill.
u I won't feel threatened or upset by a minimum wage worker at McDonalds... lol
they also have bills to pay, and they are earning what is offered to the, nothing wrong about that, at all... period
I’m sorry what? Can you form a coherent sentence please?
can I please get another drink... I asked for extra ice... not extra on the pretentious insecurity, lmao...
Pretentious insecurity? Right. Sure thing dumbass. They are earning a living wage for scooping orange chicken. Lmao.
and I am quite sure you're leading BlackRock from your basement, aren't you...
Nope. I drive 48 foot trucks, but good guess. Lmao
could drive those as a teen... not exactly a skill to brag about though
I wasn’t bragging. I was saying fast food workers are overpaid. You disagree
you talk about skilled jobs... but you literally sit on your ass for a living, lol
no DISRESPECT though... to any driver, I just think it is funny and ironic
I also work in the "driving" industry
Ok buddy. I’d be willing to bet you don’t have half the mental fortitude it takes to do this type of work. It’s not sitting my ass. Security is sitting on your ass.
are you willing to be your truck vs my float?
I'm actually thinking of selling my small business and then I'd open a few fast food restaurants, would you be interested?
Plenty of people have moved up the corporate ladder at fast food places.
I don’t know man, judging by the fights you see at Waffle House those people deserve hazard pay.
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