Thoughts on German Teachers Association calling on limits of migrants' children in classes?

[Cubus]

The German Teachers' Association head, Heinz-Peter Meidinger, has called for quotas for students with an immigrant background in German schools, according to local media.

"We have an integration problem in Germany," Meidinger told Daily Bild on Wednesday.

According to Meidinger, "from a proportion of 35% of children with an immigrant background in a class, performance declines disproportionately."

The background to the statements of the head of the teachers' union became incidents on New Year's Eve, when teenage youth and young men, largely of migrant origin, attacked police officers on duty and emergency services in several German cities. According to Meidinger, it was "a question of upbringing in values" that parents were no longer able to provide. Teachers would do anything to catch up with their upbringing, "but without parental support they often fight a losing battle."

Source: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/german-teachers-association-calls-for-migration-quotas-at-schools/2780339

[AmeerX]

The Europeans and Germans in particular are very punctual and efficient. But the Europeans are stupid in a number of things.

They thought by closing themselves from the world they can keep themselves protected in safe Haven they call the EU.

Well, guess what instead of doing this the Europeans should have settled in other countries and try to do some reverse immigration instead. What they are doing with the siege mentality is making things difficult for themselves.

You are responsible for your demise because you let the worst of the worst into your own countries lol. Come on you guys think you got the best talent through money? Really? No way, you needed to attract loyal people what you have gotten are people who are loyal to money. Had Germany been under Russian invasion today and not Ukraine and you would see how many immigrants stay to share there loyalty to you. I think no amount of Money can help Europeans if they think they are getting cheap labour. Yes they are cheap but they are not cheap in money but also loyalty.

If your citizens had gone to foreign countries and settled and formed families with some government intervention, they would have formed diasporas in the entire world.

Now, Germany has just Argentinian Germans and some Volga Germans outside Germany. Use your brains people, you didn't have to bring criminal scum and give them asylums as you gave to people from third world. Even my own country people took advantage of your systems and fooled you. Suckers I would say 🙄.

Spread your people into other countries or cease thinking about integration. Once your people are in other countries you can use them to get better background checks before you let people into your own country for immigration.

I am pretty sure white supremacists and right extremists will also agree with me. I am not one of them but I am sure your people need to move out and do some forced immigration outwards to save your decaying integration problems

[AmeerX]

Thanks for MHO

[Cubus]

You're welcome.

[Lionman95]

I´m not sure if that´s possible to be honest since it could lead to schools for immigrants only. Since a sentence that has the words immigration policy and criticism in it is considered racist in Berlin and other German region they´ll never get through with that anyways. I think what´s rather going that Meidinger has to resign for that statement.
As a reaction to the incidents on New Year´s Eve where young men that are said to have immigrant background attacked police officers, fire fighters and ambulances they probably ban fireworks in Berlin and say that´s enough to reduce the aggression while also raising the number of social workers in the problem areas.

[Cubus]

According to Meidinger, there are already schools in Germany where 95% of students are immigrants.

[Lionman95]

Ok I meant in a more prominent phenomen so that there would be a general segregation between immigrants and natives. Maybe in some parts of Germany that´s already the case.

[AmeerX]

Segregation will never work. They need to send people to other countries like they did in 1950-1960

[Lionman95]

@AmeerX That´s not going to happen. I live in Germany here it´s especially hard to deport or send people to other countries because there ways immigrants could file a suit against that and that will take money and time. The biggest issue is rather that Germans are good at having a system in anything like there are even regulations to what you are allowed to build on your property and what not but there at least seem to be few regulations what to do when there are problems concerning immigration since half the country still believes that Germany is no favoured destination for immigrants.

[AmeerX]

Don't send immigrants away. Encourage Germans to settle in other countries. Spread German culture. Don't think it is that hard with lots of young people doing incel stuff etc

[AmeerX]

Germany is no favoured destination for immigrants.

This is true though 😅.

But look, Europeans are going to become minorities in there own countries if they don't start migrating to other countries outside Europe.
Guess what, your countries have higher per Capita incomes. Use that and sustain your population in other cost effective countries. Probably do rest of the world a favor too

[TrueConfection]

This quote, "... for example, 95% of students in classes at the so-called 'hotspot schools' are not German," tells you that the teachers are the ones who are being integrated.

[Cubus]

Well, you can put it that way.

[Lucy68]

Kinda not surprised honestly

[Cubus]

Why?

[Lucy68]

Thanks for the MHO

[Cubus]

You're welcome

[jshm2]

Yeah, but you're taking the racist view, instead of actually listening to his suggestion that more needs to be done to support non-German speaking migrants.

The current policy of throwing them into the deep end, helps neither them or the class.

Imagine you being whisked off tomorrow to Chile to escape the United Blood Nation. Then being put in an equivalent school class there. You don't even speak their native language and only know a few phrases. Of course you would be out of your fucking depth as an immigrant.

[Cubus]

The case - immigrant children there do not try to integrate. Do not try to talk with German kids or try to learn their language.

[Soteris]

Pretty stupid. If he observes a performance decline with 35% children with immigration background then his reaction should be to find out why and how to resolve that, not to have a childish kneejerk reaction and put in a limit. Truly pathetic display from someone who is supposed to be the head of a teacher association when they are behaving the same way as an upset Karen rather than representing his field and the people who work in it.

[Cubus]

He says it's caused by the fact children of immigrant background are not integrating.

[Soteris]

Which is pure bullshit. Its caused by flawed teaching methods that can't overcome this and is a good way to improve said teaching methods to become overall better. As I said, he is choosing to be a worse teacher either because he is a bigot, he dont want to work or because he is incompetent and can't find a solution in which case why is he the head of the teachers association?

[Cubus]

His statement is that majority of parents of immigrants don't help with studying and they can't overcome differences without their help.

[Soteris]

... Its not the parents job to help their kids study. Why would we even need teachers in this case?

[Cubus]

Immigrants parents in Germany often do not teach some basic things their children at home. Later such children are behind and teachers are unable to close the gap.

[Soteris]

Its the schools job to teach the students in the first place. Parents should not have to do their job for them and that is also unfair for children who does not have parents as an example or perhaps their parents do not teach them. Its just something that should be dealt with directly either way so this is literally not an excuse for putting in an artificial limit because teachers are bad at their job.

[Cubus]

You clearly fail to understand that it's often impossible for teachers to catch up with material for such children. Especially if such children do not integrate and do not speak proper German.

[Soteris]

Everything is impossible until you do it. All I am hearing is excuses.

[Cubus]

How do you expect to teach something a child that doesn't know the language?

[Soteris]

They know A language. Germany specifically is a country that specializes in accepting foreign students so if nothing else they should have the capacity for education in a foreign language as well.

[Cubus]

You expect teachers to know Arabic?

[Soteris]

Do you expect Sweden to have a more comprehensive education system than Germany? WE HAVE SCHOOLS SPECIFICALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO SPEAKS ARABIC. Besides, you only need a partial education under these conditions before they are taught the native language. But yeah, this is exactly the things schools should prepare for to meet the expectations they will face in the future.

If Germany does NOT have teachers specifically for teaching in Arabic today then by God someone should be fired for incompetence.

[Cubus]

In Germany there are no national proficiency tests in German language. Meidinger calls for introducing this.

[Soteris]

... So? That is not particularly uncommon. In fact, I fail to see what benefit something like that would bring, especially if your aim is economic development which involves a lot of travel and communication and very little of that is in German. Limiting people like this is like shooting yourself in the foot.

[Cubus]

It limits amount of their colleagues as they have to know Arabic :)

[Soteris]

They dont HAVE to know, but you HAVE to have SOME that know. Otherwise you can't do your job as a teacher in a country with people speaking multiple languages.

[Cubus]

Don't you fear it would hurt the fluidity and effectiveness?

[Soteris]

Oh, quite the opposite. I fear for the rigidity and inefficiency of an educational system that can't adapt to the changing current situation they are expected to operate in.

[Cubus]

Why would it "adapt" to the changing current situation" if it is ineffective?

[Soteris]

Education? Its notoriously ineffective actually. People have struggled to try fix education for longer than I have been alive and they have mostly failed and part of that reason is because they have been completely unable to keep up with modern and social developments such as new technologies and indeed immigration.

[Cubus]

This is one of Meidinger arguements.

"Heinz-Peter Meidinger also criticized politicians for their negligence in recent years. In his view, the coalition government has not made any progress on agreed investments. In Meidinger's view, education was often relegated to the background in setting political priorities."

[Soteris]

People are always complaining about education not getting enough funding. This is nothing new nor unique to Germany. Every politician always promises more money to Education, Healthcare and the Elderly. That is the "How to get elected 101" and even in the cases where they do fulfill these promises it is never enough because it will never be enough.

You can always spend more money on healthcare, elderly and indeed education.

[greenice27]

Every person has a talent. Immigrant children can be trained in the field where they have talents, such as sports, and integrate them into society.

[Agape93]

Don't care that's their prerogative