Can't we just say no guns in public areas?

[OddBeMe]

No Shoes
No Shirt
GUNS
No Service

no!

yes

not sure

[DeviousD]

Absolutely NOT. So you want to establish specific areas where guns are forbidden so that all those who follow the law to a T can be counted on to not be armed in these vicinities, which would be the majority of people. Why not put up a sign that says in big bold letters "HEY CRIMINALS COME COMMIT YOUR ASSAULT'S & ROBBERIES HERE! BRING YOUR FIREARMS TO MAKE IT EASY. YOU'LL BE THE ONLY ONE WITH ONE SO NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO STOP YOU!" A better idea would be second amendment zones which should be everywhere on American soil so that those same criminals will think twice before doing anything, hurting anyone & if they do they will be neutralized very quickly by one of the very smart citizens near that person who owns protection & is efficient in it's safety & use. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, was the final sentiment of the second amendment for a damn good reason, & what you're suggesting is one of the biggest infringements possible & is a completely naive & uninformed position to have.

[OddBeMe]

Is there actual research that shows “no gun zones” are actually targeted? Or are criminals, and mass murderers especially, targeting based in their psyche…?

[DeviousD]

There doesn't have to be research that would point to criminals targeting these spaces. The fact of the matter is that these areas provide security for criminals who may decide to target gun free zones with their guns. Why would you want there to be such an option even on the table? Also, these tragic events involving many innocent deaths have largely happened on school premises, all schools in this country are gun free zones. The shootings that have occurred in night clubs also happened in gun free zones. The Aurora movie theater shooting, happened in a gun free zone. Church shootings, must I continue? The best defense against these types of tragic events is an armed, trained population. Not only will the mere thought of there being armed citizens wherever they are prevent a significant portion from ever occuring in the first place, but those who still carry out their murderous plan will be quickly euthanized, ultimately saving the tax payers millions of $ in court costs & imprisonment. Or at the very least the assailant will be incapacitated until they can be removed by authorities. Sure the element of surprise may account for 1 or 2 victims, but the concept of "mass shooting" will cease to be a common theme on the media, & this country will be an overall much safer country & I don't need to provide statistics to illustrate this, it's common sense..

[Guy13]

Oh my, all those para-military illegal immigrants and Communist trying to take our Citizentry ability to self-defend away. Crumbling of our Society through a Biblical morality loss, such as 10 Commandments, is more and more apparent everyday.

[Alessa13]

We can as many businesses and churches are considered private property and have the right to say, no weapons.

There are many businesses who have a no weapons policy, it does not stop someone determined to enter and shoot people though.

As for public but not in a business. No as how would anyone defend themselves if they are in public outside and someone is attacking them?

[OddBeMe]

Are there that many gunfights in public places? I see stories of a crazy with machine gun and cops come and shoot him.

[Alessa13]

I am not thinking of gun fight, I am thinking of walking to my car in a mostly empty parking lot late at night and someone tries to get me, if I am carrying and they come out me I can draw and protect myself.

[OddBeMe]

You’re certainly entitled to that. And obviously you’d need to take a gun into the store to walk back to your car safely after.

[NotTacocaT6969]

Lmfao no guns no service means “we will not serve you unless you have a gun.” 🤣


Banning guns in public areas would not work.


Criminals do not obey laws.


Only law-abiding citizens obey the law, and they don’t go around shooting people.

[Sevenpointfive]

yet they still get shot by police

[NotTacocaT6969]

Police shoot everyone, even themselves occasionally.

[Juxtapose]

No.. violation of the 2nd.

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Arms are not useful if you cannot keep them with you at pretty much all times.

[OddBeMe]

You’re the first phrase, which could be argued were the most important to the founders. What are they?

[OddBeMe]

*missing

[Juxtapose]

It's already interpreted by legal scholars that you don't need to be in a militia to own firearms. The whole idea went down the toilet when we got a standing army, you know the founders wanted us to not have a standing army but instead have a militia defending the country.

[OddBeMe]

A regulated one. But that always seems to be lost on 2a’ers. Just need a liberal scotus to correct this conservative sweep lately.

[Juxtapose]

I literally just explained why the militia part is irrelevant.

[OddBeMe]

And yet still in the constitution. I’d actually say it’s more relevant now. Like state’s national guard is the regulated militia.

[Juxtapose]

That's not how I interpret it and that is not how the courts interpret it right now.

[OddBeMe]

Very true. But it’s good to hear you say that. You’ve been diving in the deep end lately and this is the less extreme I’ve seen you lately. :)

[Juxtapose]

Sick gaslighting bruh.

[Stoner710]

No! I get attacked how am I going to defend myself? Or am I suppose to be a soy boy and let someone take my wallet

[OddBeMe]

I mean you’re right, but shouldn’t we think how many attacks succeed Vs how many armed citizens actually defend themselves?

[Stoner710]

Yes we should, I agree there unfortunately the data is inconsistent. It ranged between 300,000-3,500,000 I think someone tried recording a gun saving someone’s life but because a lot of incidents go unreported. That includes on the street and at home. I’ll try to find it, but I remembered listening to a police call where an 18 year old mother was at home alone her husband was at work and there was a guy who tried braking in the shotgun in this case wasn’t a deterrent but it did save the mother and babies life, Between a criminal and a mother and baby I’d rather have the mother kill the intruder

[Stoner710]

https://youtu.be/cw4B_XbW7ds

[OddBeMe]

I do agree, the data is incomplete. Who keeps the data incomplete…
www.wired.com/story/federal-gun-law-2022-cdc-data/

[Stoner710]

Why do you still trust the CDC?

[OddBeMe]

I don’t trust any agency. I trust consensus. Corroboration from experts. CDC happens to be a valve for govt funding.

You right wingers view things as an entity. “CDC lied about Covid this..” Maybe one person lied, or a group. Those are people and they were found out. Just like all the republican guvs who lied about Covid in their state. Found out.

[Stoner710]

Why do you trust government? Why the CDC? If the CDC lied about Covid what else did they lie about?

Let me say r thing when they officially releasee the JFK files and redacted with anyone who lies about the files dies I will not trust government

[Sevenpointfive]

i'd be okay with that if police didn't have guns either

[gorydetails]

I’m pretty sure Target already prohibits weapons on its property. You could learn a lesson, but you won't

[Anonymous]

That is a no-brainer to everyone in the world except some Americans.

[Anonymous]

Most federal and state laws do say this. Criminals don't pay attention to laws.

[Sasahara]

So what? Criminals are not known for obeying the law