You would need to be vetted to make sure you want to do it and you're not being trafficked, you will get tested for diseases and HIV, and given education on how to stay safe. Issued a certificate to practice. Your earnings taxed, and you can buy health insurance.
I say no because there is no way to vet that someone is not being trafficked. When my friend was trafficked, she was taken to a place worse than a Russian prison and tortured and conditioned to appear consensual to anyone.
The men buying her had no idea, anyone interviewing her would have no idea.
She was a prisoner in hotel rooms where her handlers would go online pretending to be her and give out room information where she had to answer the door and then perform.
This went on for years, and even after she was rescued she still wanted to go back. People do not understand what mental conditioning can do to someone.
The cartel does and it is estimated the currently 1 out of 3 people doing prostitution now (illegally) is being trafficked.
Legalizing it would only allow the cartel to condition even more women/girls and get them legalized.
They realized about ten years ago they can make just as much or money in sex trafficking as they can with drug trafficking. It isn't always kidnapping, it can be manipulation and blackmail too as a way to get started but they aren't stupid they don't want their investments running away.
The US government estimates that between 15,000 to 50,000 women and children are forced into sexual slavery in the United States every year, and the total number varies wildly as it is very difficult to research.
That means there could be hundreds of thousands of victims already and legalizing it would make the cartel the biggest pimp of them ever.
Does anyone really want to have sex with someone that doesn't really want to be doing it? Paying for sex means there is a 33% chance you will be at this time.
I know most John's just want some and probably won't gaf, they'll think its too bad but I really want some... and I'll take that chance and not my problem that she got into that situation somehow, not his concern.
Minorities are often the #1 victim's of this, especially Native American's they are 10 times more likely to be trafficked. As tribal reservations are vast and often without cell phone service it is well known gang members stake out and kidnap teen girls to put them into trafficking or women.
Since there is no way to know that someone is being trafficked or not, because they are conditioned so well, I say no. It should not be legalized until someone invents a brain scanner to know for sure.
@RolandCuthbert The cartel would be able to easily do it legally, kidnap or coerce even more people as now they could do it legit. Nevada where it is already legal, estimated that more than half are under the cartels control as it is now.
That means in theory legalizing it would mean that 50% nationwide would be under their control where as outside of Nevada it is estimated to be 1/3rd.
Don't forget that when conditioned that person could walk in and become licensed and there is zero way to know if they are being trafficked or not.
@RolandCuthbert Talk to some victims of sex traffickers and get back to me, once you know how it works from the inside. As the cartel still can control people when its legal and do so with impunity.
@RolandCuthbert You clearly have not read what I even said, if you had you would know that one of my best friends was kidnapped and trafficked as I stated that in the very first paragraph. I have detailed inside knowledge of this.
You clearly, simply want to be able to fuck women and don't gaf if they are there by their choice or not, thus you are a RAPIST.
You are a terrible person for wanting to do that.
@RolandCuthbert A troll is just like you, cannot think of anything to debate civilly with so start name calling, this is your first and ONLY WARNING. I block people who resort to name calling.
You know I could support legalizing it, if they are required to keep a customer list and verify all customers are who they say they are and then later on if it is found out someone is a victim that all those customers are then charged with rape, as she never consented to it.
Seems like a fair trade to legalize it.
That is so scary to think what happened to your friend. I would hope sheâs able to recover from the trauma eventually. But I feel as though its probably one of those things that just affects you in some way permanently
Also in regards to the tribal kiddnappings, why wouldnât the Reservations beef up policing or encourage women to not go out on their own, or encourage firearm ownership or something.
@WhiteBoyChill Tribal police are terrible and many are vast with little or no cell service.
Plus if someone is taken from the reservation, it leaves their jurisdiction and that is the end of it. Even when crime happens on tribal lands, if the person committing it is not a member there is questions on who has authority to handle the investigation, the FBI, local Sheriff/police or tribal police and can take a few days to figure out who handles it.
There have been some changes in the last few years, but too early to see if things will get better from it.
@Adaeva Your ignorance is clearly showing for a 14 year old... you know nothing, try talking to a few sex trafficking survivors and you'll find what I say is true.
I will not be talking to someone underage who knows nothing, any further comments from you will be removed.
Nah but even still. On tribal reservations they could still educate kids in school and send mail to peopleâs houses warning them about the dangers. Why donât they?
@WhiteBoyChill There is no at home mail delivery, too spread out. I don't even get that and I'm in a small town, I have to go to the nearest post office to pick up mail.
They do talk about dangers, but when there gang members prowling around, especially in or by casino's (for those that have them.)
Then houses are far apart and sometimes teens or even adults walking by themselves get taken.
It would likely be far worse, but then again, while everyone knows someone who has been taken or murdered, many people think it will never happen to them.
@bayoubob Very true, my point was that if it was legalized, hundreds of thousands of people would be forced into it against their will. Keeping it illegal, makes it harder to do that but still possible.
Not just by gangs or the cartels but abusive boyfriend's could force their girlfriend who is afraid to leave him into it.
Not everyone has a strong will, most don't and even many that do, get broken and no longer have it.
@chicosuave That happened right here in the US, you either must not care if someone your paying is being trafficked or you work for the cartel so trying to say it doesn't happen in the US.
@chicosuave Clearly you know nothing of trafficking, you have never talked to any trafficking survivors and you didn't even read my comment about my friend being trafficked. One cannot simply call 911 because of conditioning. You ignorant as to what that is... so any additional incorrect information will be removed from you... as I removed your already dangerous incorrect information.
@adaeva Clearly you do not know how to read or research either, all your comments have been removed. As will any additional ones.
I will not allow dangerous incorrect information from ignorant fools, which you both are. I suggest you go interview and talk to some trafficking victims, as I have... both the manual labor and the sex trafficking victims. Due a little due diligence using this thing, called the internet and search engines. The government has information on it as well and I am sorry but I am not going to teach you how to use the internet, this conversation is done. Only a fool engages with fools like you two.
@chicosuave And the troll is blocked, goodbye Mr. Ignorant Troll.
Here is some information for those who do not think this is a issue in the US.
Myth: People being trafficked are physically unable to leave their situations/locked in/held against their will
Reality: That is sometimes the case. More often, however, people in trafficking situations stay for reasons that are more complicated. Some lack the basic necessities to physically get out - such as transportation or a safe place to live.
*Some are afraid for their safety. Some have been so effectively manipulated that they do not identify at that point as being under the control of another person.* -- Conditioning I have referred to.
humantraffickinghotline.org/.../sex-trafficking
Itâs already legal in some state. I donât know.. I think that itâs legal officially but inofficially illegal. I mean people just leave hem alone. There has to be reason why itâs illegal. I donât know but I feel it. Same thing goes to drug legalization. Drugs are legal in Netherland and I donât see any problems. Maybe itâs will be ok legalize looking at them.
Permit me to present the arguments for and against legalising prostitution.
Arguments for legalising prostitution
⢠Empowerment and choice: Proponents argue that prostitution should be treated as a job like any other and that sex workers should have the right to choose their profession and work in safe and regulated environments.
⢠Health and safety: Legalizing prostitution could lead to better health and safety conditions for sex workers, as they would have access to protective measures and health services.
⢠Reduction of criminal activity: Legalising prostitution could reduce criminal activity associated with the trade, such as trafficking and exploitation, as it would be regulated and monitored by the state.
Arguments against legalising prostitution
⢠Exploitation and abuse: Critics argue that prostitution is inherently exploitative and abusive, and that legalisation would only serve to legitimise and normalise these practices.
⢠Public health concerns: Some argue that legalising prostitution would increase the spread of sexually transmitted infections, as sex workers would be less likely to use protective measures in a regulated industry.
⢠Moral objections: Some people object to prostitution on moral or religious grounds, and believe that it is inherently wrong and should not be legalised.
Ultimately, the decision to legalise prostitution is a complex and controversial issue that can elicit strong emotions and opinions on both sides.
Different countries and communities may approach the issue in different ways, based on their unique cultural, political, and social circumstances.
What do you mean complex and controversial? Just read @aerissa_jade opinion. A shit ton of people are already in the sex trafficking market. Legalizing it would just enable it.
And thatâs not to mention my whole point about thirsty men becoming addicted to sex and then societyâs advancement just would slow the fck down
@WhiteBoyChill you seem to live a delusion. Same with that aerrisa jade. Please do your research and check out European countries who are successful in the prostitution world. They dont have any news about horrific crimes not like in third world countries.
@chicosuave The US is not Europe though. And there is a problem in East Europe with trafficking
Prostitution should be legalized. In reality making it illegal can't work because sex is legal. A girl on a corner might be fairly obvious but unless there is an exchange like handjobs are $10, blowjobs are $20 and full sex is $50 then an undercover police have nothing. They can't ask how much is a blowjob because that is enticement.
With the internet it is even harder because girls can offer their services more discretely. I'd be highly surprised if dating apps weren't used for it. Pretty easy as the majority of guys on it are looking for sex but not successfully. "You can just give me what you would spend taking me to dinner and be sure of getting a result". No more street corners, just swipe right.
It is not going to be eliminated by criminalizing it - it never has and never will. There have been centuries of failure. About time to stop pretending.
Society is best served by regulating it in legal brothels.
I have no idea of what prices are in practice and was plucking numbers out of the ether.
There is quite a bit of street prostitution local to me. A guy I know pulled to kerb to check on where he was going and a girl opened his car door and said she needed $10 more for drugs and she would do a blowjob for that as she was desperate. He thought it very funny.
More my point is that for an arrest, either the girl has to offer some sexual service and give a price or a man has to ask for a sexual service at a price (where the street prostitute is in fact a police girl). The amount of $'s aren't important in this - one cent is enough.
Even more to the point it is not easy to achieve this sting. If a plain clothes policeman cruises up and asks how much, or a police girl offers to do it for $x then it is enticement/entrapment. No conviction will result. In other words it is pretty stupid to have laws that cannot be realistically enforced.
So society might say stamp out street prostitution but it is extremely difficult for police to do so in practice.
Who cares if there is paid sex? It is the underworld around it that is the problem. Violent pimps , drugs, violent clients. The underworld exists around prostitution because it is illegal.
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Yes, it should. People should've learned by now that when you make something legal, you can regulate it (like alcohol and bars; mandatory closing hours, minimum drinking age, quality of alcohol etc.). There's very little point in breaking the law and drawing attention to yourself when you can do something legally and be regulated a bit.
Make something illegal and all those regulations fly out of window (like how it was during prohibition in the US, when 12 year olds were getting dead drunk in speakeasies on government-poisoned methanol)
it is legal where i live and i see no problem with it. being legalized means that it's regulated. if you wanna be a prostitute, you gotta have hygiene and health standards to abide by. the legal prostitution market forces the risky human trafficing sex off the market, cause if you're the type of guy who will pay a prostitute, why would you take the risk of going to prison for fucking a slave whore who was brought into the country by criminals, when you can just legally fuck a regulation conforming professional sex worker?
i'm not saying that having sex with a prostitute is something anyone should do. i personally don't. but i think legallization forces the dark criminal stuff out of the business.
Sure, prostitution reduce rape rates, because sexually unsatisfied men can be dangerous.
https://journalistsresource.org/politics-and-government/legal-prostitution-reduce-rape-holland/
Dude wtf?
Rape has nothing to do with men being sexually unsatisfied. Itâs just a lack of morals. Maybe we should just focus on the issues of teaching values in schools
Wdym? This has nothing to do with feminism. Sex work is actually a debated topic among feminists
I love how people who disagreed with this comment can't handle the truth. They don't want to see the reality and they only want to see a false perception of their reality.
It should. Research conducted in various regions around the world in which prostitution is legal strongly suggests there is no downside to its legalization. One interesting correlation indicates that married people report being happier in regions where prostitution is legal and marriages tend to last longer as well. Ell oh ell!
I would accept that as long as society under no circumstances force people into that field. So no losing unemployment benefits, no glorification of the profession, and it should be forced unification so they have a way to improve the situation and can enforce strict rules on what the proffession means.
yes we should vote for prostitution to be legalized especially here in the USA. We need it. If Europeans countries are successful then why is the US still condemning it. Men will stop being desperate and better lifes for women in society in general. Also its a win win situation.
How about child labour? It's true that they are being exploited and the issue need to be addressed from all possible way. It's also true that our current legislation doesn't have any means to deal with these issues. But making them legal doesn't even make any sense.
I will say yes it should be legalized because if itâs legal then no one could be forced into it.
for example : if any guy could easily get a prostitute then there would be no trafficking going on.
people who do trafficking will run out of business
Definite yes. Banning or not recognizing prostitution only makes matter worse for the people that offer sex, as well as for their customers.
A lot of people equal prostitution to sex trafficking. They are linked but they are not the same and due to that belief both male and female sex workers suffer from it
If this was practiced to the letter of the laws as written and not compromised by someone out to make a quick buck at the expense of others. The people who probably use this service would be the. disabled, the shy older people who have been out of the dating scene for a long time and a few more reasons I cannot remember..
That would keep a lot of this out of trouble. I lived in the state of Nevada and they inspected and certified the women. It is a good business and it's legal in the state of Nevada. I'm really not into prostitution. Because of my personal religious beliefs. Guys have to keep themselves out of mischief. And you know that you would know where your man would be if you didn't want to have sex.
Yes , itâs not like theyâre gonna cure cancer or world hunger if they arenât prostitutes
stop telling average women theyâre special THEY ARE NOT! If she making money and she good at let a whore be a whore
itâs not like anyone is gonna want to wife her
Yes. Just outright yes. Iâve never even procured before. I just see the violence these women are flung into. And there are so many excuses: âHeâs not a pimp heâs my boyfriend.â Yeah right. He sees you as a fckin employee.
Immediate unionization, free healthcare, etc. Itâs the ultimate assistance to the needy. Theyâre usually drug addicts, or grew up around it.
Terrible idea. I mean for real. I cannot tell you how many men would just become so addicted to sex like this psychotic drug, that it would prevent society from advancing.
We need more men in our society. And women putting their bodies on the market isnât gonna help us.
Your wrong. More guys are happy and less desperate. Also rapes and crime goes down. Look at what happened to marijuana. First people were against it for legalizing it but then reality hit them once they saw the evidence of the real world. Today marijuana is legal in most states and thriving. The same thing It will happen if they legalize prostitution. Look at Europe. Very successful
Yes. The only thing criminalization of prostitution causes is service price increase, because girls and pimps in this profession need to bribe the cops.
Prostitution is just a nicer way of saying "sexual exploitation"
Sure some countries have legalised it already, but they face bigger problems as a result. From bigger organized crime rings, to increased STD and STI rates.
Yeah third world countries where corruption lives and thrives. Of course that's happening
i think it should be, it's just a job and legalising it would provide so much more safety for both workers and customers, plus if they pay taxes that's just more money for the government
Legalized prostitution is correlated with a dramatic increase in human trafficking. Not sure legalizing is the best course of action for society.
Well said, many do not understand human trafficking and think rates would go down if legalized when it would actually go up, as now it is something legally that crime organizations can force others into.
Even boyfriend's could force a girlfriend into it against her will.
@Aerissa_Jade I'm 100% torn on this, though. Because I believe in body autonomy, and there's really no restriction for you (hypothetical you) to give it away for free or for dinner. Then there's the escort "loophole" where you're theoretically paying for their time to hang out and sex is given for free.
I think if it was possible to eliminate human trafficking that it should be legal, but I know that isn't possible. I would hope men would not want to risk that if there was even a small chance she was not there by choice that would not want to do it.
My friend that was trafficked, did try to tell a John or too early on and she was punished for it. After that it was, of course I'm here by my choice if anyone ever asked.
Then it brings up the question later, if someone is freed, should the men who paid for her be charged with rape later? As she was forced to 'appear' to consent and would not of otherwise.
@Aerissa_Jade They absolutely should not be charged with rape. The woman consented to intercourse with the client. No one is expected to be a mind reader.
See that is the problem, consent when threatened 'legally' isn't consent.
It would open up legal questions, for the courts and law makers to figure out as the John isn't the one threatening them.
Perhaps the best course would be whoever was, be charged with rape for all the customers rather than the Johns. Assuming they ever get caught, if it is the cartel, unlikely but small time people they could get.
I wonder what men would feel though, if they later found out someone they paid for sex with, was being trafficked.
@Aerissa_Jade you can't withdraw consent to sex retroactively. That's not how that works.
Your right, but if someone never truly gave it, say a gun held to their head... say yes or else, so she said yes... then is that truly consent? That is what I am getting at.
In trafficking cases the gun isn't to a head, its the conditioning and/or punishment one gets if they say no... that will happen later. My friend could never say no or else would be beat or other punishments later on.
That is what I am referring to, not someone who willing said yes then changes their mind after it is all done.
@Aerissa_Jade There's a distinct difference between the actual coercion from the sex partner and a 3rd party.
You're basically opening up a can of worms that will have vast negative consequences on that precedent.
That is the entire question that the law doesn't address if it were to become legal. What and how to handle those instances, as I am a victim advocate, what would do justice for a trafficking victim.
What do you think would be justice for a trafficking victim? Who may have essentially had non-consensual sex with hundreds or thousands of people?
Right now with it being illegal they can go after everyone for it, John's, pimps, handlers, etc... even arresting the trafficking victim for it.
I really have no idea what the best way is to get a trafficking victim justice.
@Aerissa_Jade The crime is between the trafficker and the victim. Not the clients of the victim.
@Aerissa_Jade thats only a limiting belief and not a fact. In third world countries it happens a lot but not in first world.
I don't think so because accidents still happen and what are we gonna do with the abortion rates go up, or population
let it decline its fine bro. no need for more humans in the world.
Yes it should. And it should be restricted to brothel's with security, and the brothel's would ensure the girls are tested. It would make human trafficking almost pointless.
Yes, as George Carlin used to say (may he rest in peace).
Selling things is legal.
Having sex between consenting adults is legal.
So why is paying for sex illegal?
Of course it should be legalized. But it should be done so without any of the regulations you mentioned. The government has no Constitutional authority nor business regulating sexual relationships between consenting adults.
Yes it should. If someone chooses to do that for a living that should be up to them. By legalising it it offers a lot of protection to them. Which they deserve to have. I don't really see why it should be illegal. I mean porn and prostitution is very similar ones just being filmed for others consumption. They deserve easy access to health care and protection. I would think as well it would reduce the risk of trafficking if it was legalised and closely monitored.
Far from it. Chain gangs for hookers. Similar for jons. The founder of OnlyFans belongs in a wood chipper.
Yeah, it would take out a lot of problems like you're mentioning. Some countries already have this and it's going better than in the US.
Why are you duplicating my previous question?
Yes it should be. What people do with their bodies is their choice.
Granted there would likely be a rise in sexual-focused crimes with such a profession legally existing. But that comes with the job as it is now anyway.
@ The Update - Trafficking and general assault would increase with legalization because many would still freelance prostitute themselves. Opening them up to dangers.
Great! Let the world collapse more than it is already.
Exactly. The world already is burning and immoral shit is rampant. We don't need to add this on top of it.
@Wraith_Cemetery yeah
In many places it is. It is after all the oldest profession. I think it should be, it should be regulated, and safeguards put in place.
Prostitution being the oldest profession is a myth.
No it shouldn't. Prostitution promotes whoredem and leads to massive social degeneracy.
Exactly. My friend from Germany said every guy does it, and its precisely because of the easy access to sex.
Just imagine how many guys would be paying prostitutes here if it were a thing
Making prostitution illegal doesn't stop it but only causes more issues for people working in that business so yes I think legalising it would have more advantages than disadvantages
It is legal in my country but its doesn't stop people doing it illegaly and get std's
I'm Dutch. Our capital is known for its red light district. People are gonna do it anyway. Just let it be legal.
No. Good grief. No. Has anyone ever said âoh yeah, I live in the nice part of town where all the hookers do businessâ? Without being facetious. Thatâs even in places where prostitution is already legal.
I think it would just be legal to smuggle women country to country.
No. Dirty money, the only reason it's not legal right now, is because you don't have to claim it on your W-2, since it's illegal
Whores want equality now too? This is getting out of hand.
Regardless of all of that there will still be trafficking, I guarantee it.
Whores should pay taxes like everyone else. Yes.
It boils down to one simple word... Consent.
I think it should be, but I think it should be regulated
Sure, it seems this should be a fundamental goal of feminism.
Yes, so it can be regulated. to get the pimps out and health checks on woman
That all sounds good let the legal fucking get going
I gotta send a message to biden over at the white house. Maybe he will legalize it lol đ
Agreed. Yes, it should be. And it is in fact legal in many countries, as it is here.
I think trafficking is the biggest risk legalization and pursuing traffickers should be a priority for LE.
Yes it should be legalized if porn is legal then prostitution should be too
Im with you on this, legalizing prostitution will reduce rape crime and its business between 2 adults
Yes. That would make it significantly cheaper. Guys need places to go where they can get their rocks off for a reasonable price.
It can also help the prostitutes if it was legal
Does Anybody know the Difference between Woman/Whore?
Where I live it actually is already legal.
Nice. Where I live it is not
Brothels are legal here, as they should be.
It is legal here 😊
Fck NZ!
Youâre the same guys that did all that excessive covid lockdown crap, and the transgender crap, and the abortion crap and the banning guns crap.
It pays to be a New Zealander!
@WhiteBoyChill yeah we get paid in safety, bodily autonomy and acceptance đđ how horrible it must be to live in a country that cares about its people.
They donât tho is the thing. Youâre a puppet state of China.
@WhiteBoyChill awe you're very uneducated aren't you đ it's okay there's still time.
I havenât made one false statement. Everything NZ has done is in lock step with what China has already done
With exception to the LGBT crap
@WhiteBoyChill oh please do explain further 𼺠l can't wait.
No this should not be a job period...
Of course. Taxed and regulated.
Yes. Should be regulated and taxed.
Yeah, legalize it and regulate it
In my opinion should be legalized.
Yes, most of it already is.
YesâŚ.. as long as they are a consenting adult.
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