Should biological men be allowed to compete in women's sports?

[msc545]

It seems really unfair to allow biological men to compete against women, yet many "woke" people advocate for this. What do you think?

No - biologiccal men should not compete in women's sports - it is unfair

Sure - let biological men compete against women

[Texaskid1]

No way.

A man will almost always crush women in sports. It is not a fair competition. These transgenders are still the same biological sex they were born with.

[Luopio27]

Maybe transgenders could have their own category?


isn't the civilised world based on compromises?

[msc545]

THAT is an excellent idea!

[WanderingLoveWizard]

How has no one mentioned this yet?

[msc545]

@WanderingLoveWizard Apparently not.

[Luopio27]

Its easier said than done.

[WhiteSteve]

It’s certain a valid question. My objection to the question is more when it’s posed as this overall reason as to why we should —I don’t even know what they’re trying to do— ban (?) transgenderism? I’m not even sure if the end game, lmao.

How many people are trans to begin with? I feel like 1% of the population is a generous estimate, but let’s assume it for the sake of simple math. We could maybe reason from there that roughly.5% of them are male-to-female. Of that.5% of trans females, how many are even competitive athletes? Right-wing detractors of trans people in particular are always clowning on the WNBA, the US Women’s Soccer team, etc when they complain about earnings discrepancies, but now all of a sudden they’re all up in arms about women’s athletics, lmao.

I feel like when people get upset about trans stuff, it’s really only about male-to-female transitions. Obviously it doesn’t apply here on the athletic front, but I’m just saying I’ve noticed that no one is that mad about females transitioning to male, and I suspect it’s all rooted in dudes just being afraid they’ll accidentally hook up with a trans female, lmfao.

Same with gay men and lesbians…. straight dudes are either turned on by the idea of lesbians or indifferent, usually depending on their attraction to a particular individual. Maybe they’d be mocking of it, in some cases, I suppose, but a gay dude can get his ass kicked pretty easily in the wrong area, or even beaten to death over it. The energy never seems to match. If there’s legitimate good-faith discussion about it, as it’s a pretty serious physical decision for someone to make, and what level of maturity they should be at before doing anything irreversible, but at the same time…. if you want to lop your dick off, as a fellow man, that tells me you’re pretty damn serious about the shit. If the discussion is based on “Ew, GROSS!”, it’s being approached in bad faith, and my personal observational conclusion is that it largely IS based in that when I’m hearing it, and it’s more of an exercise to either intellectualize or moralize a more visceral response that’s not necessarily empathetic towards others.

To your question though, I think we either need a RESPECTFUL mutual understanding that, despite our outward appearances, for the sake of fair competition, trans athletes will have to compete in their biologically appropriate divisions. I can understand where that could be hurtful or embarrassing to some, though, so we may just need a paradigm shift where new divisions exist exclusively for trans men and trans women. At the end of the day, it’s just sports, and it’s maybe just a sign that we’re putting too much weight on recreational activity and prioritizing it too much if such significant money is at stake for anyone, either directly or through scholarships. I love sports, but maybe that’s just not what’s important, we just make it so.

[loveslongnails]

Mr. Steve... it's worth about 15 minutes of our time.

[nitsuj86]

I mostly don't give a shit. I don't really watch women's sports to begin with, so if they allowed men to compete, it would eventually just become men's sports, and we can stop hearing about all this woke shit.

The people that watch sports don't really give a shit. I want the most entertaining products. I could care less what they got between their legs, or who they fuck.

If I had a daughter I might feel differently about her competing in physical sports with other men, but I would just try and push her to something she would be able to compete in. If she really liked that sport then I would allow it, but she would have to accept the risk, or failure that comes with it. Or she could just play with other women for fun if she likes it that much. Most people aren't professional athletes.

If she couldn't get a scholarship, oh well. Get it for something else. Learn to adapt, not bitch about your situation basically.

I will never understand trans rights, and honestly don't care. I don't care what someone wants to be, I will act how I want to, and if they don't like it, well I don't give a shit. I'm sure they feel the same way, so we have that in common. I just feel like a lot of people care about this small thing that affects almost none of their lives.

Worry about your own life.

[Miristheiss]

No. This is pretty basic, pretty common sense. Pretty much everyone has been in agreement to this reality since the beginning of time until about 10 years ago.

Now, it is racist, sexist, discrimination, you are evil and a bigot. In the news yesterday in Vermont, I believe, a school that would not let their girl's teams play against teams with men on them, trans women, the state has banned that school from being able to compete in sports against other schools.

Girls who object to men... trans women coming into their locker rooms and dressing and showering with them are demonized and vilified. This is utter madness and evil.

It is obvious that if they are going to keep cramming this down our throats that they are REAL women and the women just have to shut up and eat it, F**k title 9 and the rights and privacy of women. The only way this can go forward is for there to be a separate trans division.

The insanity of this Penn swimmer, a 19 year old man, looks to be about 6 feet tall, maybe 6'2", who had a swimming scholarship as a man and competed at NCAA level as a man suddenly wants to go trans and is ALLOWED to swim on the women's team and kick the living shit out of all the women. No one has beaten her since. She changes with them as well. The same has happened in track and weight lifting and volleyball.

Are we freaking insane? Who, in their right mind can think this is just and right? What is wrong with people?

[AMS700CX4u2]

This is a really difficult question to answer. If a male was surgically castrated before testosterone started to develop secondary sexual characteristics, I would say OK. because muscular definition would not be affected. Intersex folks usually don't show male pattern muscularization. If the male was castrated after his muscular definition had occurred then I don't think it is fair. I am aware that weight trainers can take androgens and artificially change their muscular definition and at this point my response becomes cloudy.

[Marie-Meh]

No. I really dislike the idea that society has allowed this. Even with how beauty pageants are done nowadays like a trans can be a candidate for Miss Universe when there are dozens of beauty pageants for almost every sexual orientation--heck, even straight men have their own. It's not about inclusivity anymore, it's more of people pleasing.

[Anonymous]

There's a reason they're called trans, simply because they're not what they wish they were. Trans women are not women, they're men who self-identify as women because of some problem they have in the brain that makes them reject their bodies, I'm not transphobic, I heard logical thinking transgenders saying this. It doesn't matter for how long they use hormones and how many surgeries they get, even if they cut their dick off, they're still male. Woke people are so stupid, I'm still amazed at how they have such illogical ideas and still come up with new stupid illogical ideas.

There should be trans sports, so women can compete with women while the woke can have fun supporting their trans athletes and enjoy their drag queen cheerleaders while waving their clown flags.

[Sam2021]

Exactly 💯

[lightbulb27]

Only when the women approve of it, like co-ed flag football and mud wrestling.

This is where the left went off the deep end... they need to change their rules.

Nor should bioilogical males be allowed in their changing room.

It's hard to believe our leaders are really this lame.

I applaud Africa, China, and Russia for holding some values, USA looks like a total nut job in their eyes... scary as H I'd think.

[loveslongnails]

This whole fucking thing is a solution looking for a problem. The answer is simple - do what the LPGA did - you can compete in their events if you were BORN female. And that means, you have a reproductive system that can contains a functional uterus, produce eggs, and can birth a baby. AND... you must have been BORN that system, not have one implanted if that were even possible.

As WhiteSteve says, the incidence of this occurring is so small, it's not worth all the attention it's getting. Adopt the LPGA's logic and let's move the fuck on.

[loveslongnails]

sorry about the typos

[SnowedIn]

Nope. Thats like putting a Corvette in a sedan race.

[msc545]

good answer - thanks!

[SnowedIn]

Thank you!

Yeah, I have no issues if they want to transition, etc., but the biology is still the biology -- Lia Thomas is just one of many perfect examples.

To say nothing of if an athlete take testosterone it's a banned substance but we're okay with an athlete full of it?

This issue frustrates me.

[888theGreat]

Men are physically superior to women. Just a fact. If not women would play in NBA , NFL and MLB. Now there are women that could be some men , but not many. The fags that want to look like a woman are still men , just are off in the head. So no , men should not compete with women in sports.

[Anonymous]

https://youtu.be/Y410v7OmAm4

Long watch, but it explains most of the problems and evidence well and points to an actual solution. The most concise I could say is "it's not that simple." But even that, if not backed up by an hour of researched explanation, is taken as me being just so fucking stupid. Because nobody who "cares" actually knows shit about women in sports. (Hyperbole)

[megabamse]

In the term of sport there should be born of gender category. If they introduced mixed gender category then fine. But if you a born a man and have been reborn a woman then that's fine in the social word. But in the sport world it simply don't work the same way.

[Leopard23]

I think us straight men should keep outer mouths shut on the matter and let all those woke feminists who are ominously quiet work this one out these.

[Leopard23]

Oh it's back

[jshm2]

Stop trying to pin everything on "woke" when it has fuck all to do with anything in regards to trans.

This is more about dipshit people wanting to do what they like, but make people support them in it so they feel less ashamed and stupid.

[comekitty]

No, they should not! I also think they should stay out of women's restrooms and dressing rooms!

[LivDev]

My hot take is that; I think it's wrong but basically what "feminism" asked for so...

[Lliam]

Absolutely, positively NOT. It's an insult to women. It is endangering women. And it is robbing women of scholarship opportunities.

I don't care if those cheating "trans"women cry. They should be treated as the mental cases that they are.

[Adaeva]

I don't approve but it is not an issue because it is extremely rare. However, whenever it happens it is posted far and wide 24/7. I watch sports and I have never seen a man competing in a women's sport. Until I do, it is not important enough to even talk about.

[RockyHammock]

It's relatively unseen now because there's resistance toward the movement. Without that resistance, most female records today have been held by biological males.

[exitseven]

I think athletes at the collegiate and Olympic levels should submit to a DNA test to see exactly what they are

[huntersawyer22]

You can tell someone's gender by literally looking at their fingers.

[exitseven]

@huntersawyer22 yes but we need a real scientific way to tell who's who.

[huntersawyer22]

Unless a "trans woman" (male to female) has gone through extreme levels of hormone therapy and plastic surgery, you can tell they're male simply by looking at their facial and body features. Contrary to what leftists think, gender is not a social construct or a spectrum.

[Jersey2]

No, trans women have an biological advantage. I believe that this will eventually be ruled as unfair but that may take years to get such rulings given the cowardice of the governing bodies. But this will certainly change where they are no longer allowed to compete followed by a changing of the historical records which will be much too late for the competitors who were cheated out of having their day though.