Why do Irish Americans play bagpipes on St Patricks day parades when bagpipes are Scottish not Irish?

[lottiebannotie]

Not trying to be offensive I'm genuinely interested it's always baffled me.

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I'm well on the way to being extradionarily drunk so unless you just want abuse I suggest you read my exchange with Mr Commodore and fuck off happy St Patricks day 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

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+1 y

What a brave little boy name of stars is to leave abusive comments on my question and then block so he can't be replied to 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[MrCommodore]

Incorrect, bagpipes were used by Gaelic clans across Scotland, large parts of Ireland and England/Wales. In fact over 1000 years ago the some clans territory covered Ulster in the North of Ireland and South West Scotland.

[lottiebannotie]

Over a 1000 years ago give me a break dude I have never ever heard bagpipes in Ireland that's really clutching at straws

[MrCommodore]

Well your visiting the wrong parts of Ireland, because the traditions never died despite the best efforts by the English from the 1600's onwards.

Borders and boundaries change over the centuries, but traditions usually remain.

[Agape93]

Hon, it doesn't matter. He's still correct, and you're just misinformed

[lottiebannotie]

I'm Irish from Limerick I'm not misinformed you are guy's just won't admit you can't tell the difference between a Scot and a Irish person what do you guys do on St Andrews day break out Riverdance and as if the average Irish American knows anything about that he's just trying to be clever Irish communities across the world celebrate without bagpipes but I'm misinformed 😅

[MrCommodore]

I'm 100% Irish, from the North West, which was the last region of Ireland fully controlled by Celtic chieftains/clans by mid 1600's, considered some unruly and revellious that it lead to the disastrous Ulster Plantation.

Regardless of your heritage, you're wrong on this, Scotland and Ireland didn't always exist as nations, prior to that they both were divided into regional kingdoms which overlapped between the two. The traditions may have died out in parts of Ireland and Northern England etc, but its incorrect to say its exclusively a Scottish tradition or thing, just because it survived and was reinvigorated there.

[lottiebannotie]

I'm well aware of that I'm from Limerick I'm not claiming there aren't links between the two countries but don't try telling that's the reason why it only happens in the usa as if some pisshead from Boston has the slightest clue of anything you said in your original response

[MrCommodore]

I can understand your point. I think groups like The Ancient Order of Hibernians and The Knights of Columbanus over in the US promoted it years ago in Irish celebrations over there, as the bagpipes were banned in Ireland by the British, because the were known to be pipes of war by Gaelic tribes, thus outlawed. This also happened in Scotland too , but was later revived from the Shadows.

[lottiebannotie]

That makes sense thank you as I said I wasn't trying to be offensive or critical it's just always baffled me as it's only in the states I don't see it in Ireland or the UK or Australia etc

[MrCommodore]

You're fine, to be fair you are right to ask questions like that. Sorry if I sounded like a "know it all", that wasn't my intention.

[lottiebannotie]

It's ok I'm glad we spoke sorry if I was a bit aggressive myself

[MrCommodore]

Nah your grand, it's good chatting with you.

[lottiebannotie]

Happy St Patricks day 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

[MrCommodore]

Happy St Patrick's day to you also 😉☘️🇮🇪☘️🇮🇪🍻

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don't know. Its really dumb and that’s why I don’t go to the parades. If you can’t even get it right, you don’t deserve the dignity of my presence

[lottiebannotie]

I hear you that was my initial response but Mr Commodore has managed to clear my brain so just enjoy the day 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

[WhiteBoyChill]

Even still, I don’t necessarily agree with the bagpipes.

[lottiebannotie]

Neither do I but at least I have a idea where it comes from now

[purplepoppy]

Actually everyone is wrong as usual. Patrick was Roman not Irish. He was born in what is now Banwen, wales then later kidnapped by Irish pirates. (the locals occasionally reenact the kidnapping https://llandaff.churchinwales.org.uk/en/news-and-blog/village-re-enacts-kidnapping-st-patrick-celebrate-its-claim-be-home-patron-saint-ireland/

Bagpipes were brought to Britain by the Romans and the locals kinda liked them but over the years Scotland became more associated with them. However you will see bagpipes played on parades throughout Britain and Ireland

St Patrick day in the USA was more about winning Irish votes than religion

[lottiebannotie]

Largely agreed though I am not aware of anyone who was under the impression that Patrick was Irish personally I prefer the myth about him ridding Ireland of snakes but heyho

[NamerOfStars]

Actually, bagpipes (as an instrument family) are Persian in origin, not Scottish- they were introduced to Scotland by the Romans, of all people. But the Celts took the basic idea and went nuts. The great Highland pipe (the big one you're familiar with) is indeed Scottish, however (it freaked the hell out of the Romans when they heard it; a big part of the reason they didn't push very far into Scotland). The Irish invented the uilleann pipe, and it's still a traditional Irish instrument today, but for various reasons, they didn't catch on to the same degree.

So why the association with Ireland? Because technology changes much faster than society, and on a purely social level, the pre-Roman societies of Britain and Ireland weren't very different in 60 BC than they were a thousand years earlier. Borders weren't a matter of nations as we understand them today, but of whatever strongman had rallied others to him and declared himself king. "Ireland" and "Scotland" are inventions far more recent than the people are, and they mixed and intermingled VERY freely.

The other part of the equation is the USA: we have more bagpipe bands than Scotland OR Ireland, and our cultural boundaries are even more nebulous. The US has a relationship with its parent cultures that Europeans seem completely unable to understand; Africans and Asians don't seem to share that problem.

[lottiebannotie]

Thanks for the history lesson we are talking about Ireland and Scotland so don't come at me with Iran I couldn't give a toss read the question fuck off bye dickhead

[NamerOfStars]

I *did* answer the question. Are you incapable of reading more than one sentence, dipshit? Or do you simply think that time began last week?

[connemara_crocodile]

Contributing with a pinch of salt here as a tribesman living in the midlands.

This incorrect, look for uilleann pipes. It's true that are not in common. in bars where they're playing music as other instruments, but there's still many with them. And not just on the north, but the west and south as well. (Well everywhere but Dublin, they just play Neil Diamond and Oasis for the tourists.

But yeah, bagpipes play a big part in the true Irish culture.

[lottiebannotie]

Never seen them in Limerick or Galway or Donegal but ok and I don't doubt it but what do they do on St Andrews day break out Riverdance it's just always baffled me that it only happens in the States I wasn't being offensive or critical just genuinely baffled

[lottiebannotie]

Mr Commodore has put my mind at ease I can drink now 😂

[SaoirseS]

My understanding was they are more Celtic than exclusively Scottish. I can tolerate a pipes and drums playing something with a quick tempo, but not lone bagpipers. One thing is for sure, there is no sound I hate worse than a lone bagpiper playing "Amazing Grace" at a funeral. While it's playing, I secretly calculate a rifle shot that would take out the bag and make it stop without harming the bagpiper or others.

[Dargil]

Bagpipes are known as Uilleann bagpipes. ‘Uilleann’ literally means elbow in the Irish language. We started to play the Bagpipes in the 20th century. According to some of the evidence from history, we played ‘Union Bagpipes’ in the 18th century.

Whine about cultural appreciation if you must and then head for your woke safe space.

[lottiebannotie]

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[Dargil]

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[Dargil]

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[lottiebannotie]

😂😂😂😂 I wouldn't follow you anywhere but the resemblance is uncanny I'll give you that 😅😅😅😅 also I've never been accused of being woke before thanks for the new experience

[Dargil]

Good to feel loved.

[lottiebannotie]

👍🏻👍🏻🤗

[Still-alive]

Are you irish like me miss? St patty’s day lol 🍀

[lottiebannotie]

Happy St Patricks day Hun 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

[Still-alive]

Cheers love *raises stein to you*

[Still-alive]

@update have fun and just remember when you go to sleep after being drunk remember to lay on your stomach so you dont choke to death on your on vomit.

[lottiebannotie]

As if I'll make it to my bed pavement here I come

[Still-alive]

Lol be careful alright. Hope to see you answering more of my questions later on here :p

[lottiebannotie]

, unlikely if I'm honest but I will try for ya 😘

[Still-alive]

*smells your hair* see ya

[Paul_in_Indy]

The Irish will be surprised to hear that they don’t play bagpipes. What gave you that idea? …especially considering that you have observed the contrary?

[lottiebannotie]

Born there visit 3-4 times a year when is the last time you did? Nonce

[Paul_in_Indy]

LOL. I’ve been to Ireland twice this year. …and I have multiple friends who play the Irish pipes (which are much quieter and more pleasant inside than big Scottish pipes).

[lottiebannotie]

Yeah not fucking bagpipes are they? Had some twat playing panpipes earlier get a fucking grip

[OddBeMe]

Bagpipes offend all ears. So matter what this is offensive buddy.

[lottiebannotie]

We are in total agreement here

[AviatorTom]

Bagpipes are Celtic, which includes Irish and Scots.

[jshm2]

Irish and Scots are not uptight about that shit, like Americans are!

[LiamJHayden]

Uilleann Pipes have been used in Ireland since at least the early 1700's.

[lottiebannotie]

Really people are still answering this when the first person to respond solved it for me and it was put in the update and it is still associated with Scotland but of course the Americans know more than anyone else like the people who actually come from Ireland and Scotland

[AngryCarl2]

The Scottish and Irish both have Celtic origins. And they both hate the English.

[lottiebannotie]

No shit Sherlock

[msc545]

They have no instruments of their own to play, sadly.

[lottiebannotie]

What instruments do you think are American?

[NostalgiaSenpi]

Because they're Irish, too.

[lottiebannotie]

They are globally associated with Scotland mate do you break out Riverdance for St Andrews day 😂 I jest read my exchange with Mr Commodore it explains all and now I can get drunk

[NostalgiaSenpi]

Who? What day? I don't celebrate anything, personally. At least in the states that's what we see in the parades.

[Kelly6]

Uneducated lol🤣🤣

[abc3643]

Bagpipes were never exclusively Scottish.