Why did the Republicans propose the Death Penalty for getting abortions?

[Vázquez613]

I guess Feminism was right the whole damn.

[Roxxy99]

The death penalty at face value is hypocritical. You can’t make a logical argument that killing is wrong and then condone state executions. If there are moral exemptions to taking a life, then doesn’t that strengthen the pro-choice argument?

[bingbongbangbung]

no it's not, you take away life so the state takes away yours. and no, idc if you tell me the fetus is a clump of cells or that it's a parasite when such arguments are fallacious and not based in science. life begins at the moment of conception when the sperm fertilizes the egg, and unless the fetus is proven to be a threat to the mother's life, then it is not a parasite. i personally do believe that pregnancies as a result of rape should be terminated though (and actual rape, not the woman regretting it afterwards but being fine with it during the act).

[RonStone45]

I'm against abortion but that doesn't mean I am pro life. I'm against murder, but I'm not against the death penalty. Killing is not always wrong, but murder is. The death penalty by the government for murder or rape is not murder, killing in self defense is not murder.

[Roxxy99]

@RonStone45 Self-defense is an entirely different thing. The death penalty is nothing more than retribution. A incarcerated person is not an immediate threat. The only difference is the killer is the state and not an individual. What’s the logical argument for it? How do executions demonstrate to the public that killing is wrong?

[RonStone45]

The death penalty is a valid punishment for certain crimes, and it would also prevent those crimes as the death penalty seems worse than prison.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@bingbongbangbung actually, by science, it is a clump of cells and a parasite. Well more accurately the combo fetus plus placenta are a parasite. But don't worry, most abortions, as in the vast majority, are made when the baby is still basically mucus.
Still bone of that matters. The topic of abortion is simply about body autonomy. Its the mother's body, she can do with it as she pleases.

And I am not even going to talk about the death penalty. Which shouldn't exist for any crime to begin with.

[RonStone45]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That clump of cells is alive and naturally develops into a human over time, its the same entity that was alive when conceived as it is when it's fully developed. A human tends to take care of its parents later on in life and contribute to society or his people, not something a parasite does. But it doesn't matter to me if abortion is legal or not, abortion is natural selection for dumb liberals like you.

[RonStone45]

I'm against people having control of their bodies so long as it's not a modification by the gov. If a loved one was trying to harm themselves wouldn't you want a cop to stop them from harming themselves? What about inappropriate relationships? I don't believe in my body my choice. My body my choice is a stupid way of thinking being against forced body modifications is another. Not having control of what you do with your body is normal, having your body significantly modified by the government or job is another story. But small modifications should be allowed if they make sense for a job example getting a haircut for a job.

[RonStone45]

And we consider it a human being from conception. I'm all for the death penalty for certain crimes as I'm definitely not pro life, but I'm against having innocent people being murdered by abortion. Abortion is immoral and murder. Before you start bringing up the scenarios in the cases of incest or rape since you people always do so, if someone exists as a result of those things neither the mother or the government have the right to take that person's life since they are innocent, so the same should apply inside the womb. The babies body is not the mother's body, bodily autonomy is for idiots, not having your body modified against your will by the government or job is another.

[RonStone45]

killing and murder are too different things, which is why you can be against abortion and be for the death penalty. I don't know who decided to use dumb terms like pro-life and pro-choice to associate being for or against murdering yet to be born babies and to engulf a way of thinking that you have to be all for pro life if you're against abortion which is asinine. I'm against abortion but that doesn't make me ''pro life'' or whatever braindead sheep like to call it..

[RonStone45]

Killing and murder can be 2 different things given the context* or not all killing is murder*

[RonStone45]

Murdering is wrong* Death penalty by the goverment (killing) for certain crimes for the guilty scum of society is not murder.

[RonStone45]

Not having control of your body by the government is different from having your body modified from the government. One is you're prevented from performing a modification on your body by the government but your body itself is left alone/not modified by the government.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@RonStone45 we are all a bunch of cells. I don't use that argument for abortion. I simply stated the fact that the fetus is indeed a clump of cells and a parasite. It most definitely is. But who said that it takes it any value. It is a parasitic clump of cells with immense value.

I agree that murder and killing are not the same thing. Murder is a legal concept. Something we humans made up. To separate when a crime is committed from when it's not in case of a death. That is exactly why abortion is not murder.

Natural selection doesn't work like that. Natural selection is a process of evolution. Evolution implies changes in DNA. That's one of the things that separates it from adaptation. So we can have all the abortions we want and our DNA won't change. So no natural selection.
But what a dumb liberal like me knows?

Body autonomy is for idiots? So who should chose what to do with your body? Strangers?

Abortion is not your body being modified by the government. It's you making a decision about what should be done with your body. Your decision. To your body.

More than anything, abortion is a debate where the fetus rights surpass the rights of the mother. And well it's her body, so never.

Death penalty is not murder. Still wrong. Not just things that are murder are wrong.

[DizzyDesii]

I dont support abortion nor death penalty and I’m not republican nor democrat so I don't know why these folks believe in what they believe

[Jerre]

I meant that to be Thumbs Up. GaG should separate the two better.

[OlderAndWiser]

Do the research: ONE freshman representatve in the state of South Carolina introduced a bill that has NO CHANCE of being considered by the assembly. . . if the facts actually matter.

[ImHere22]

Because they desire a stranglehold over everyone and every group that opposes and stands up to them. Much of the language for these proposals comes directly from private interest groups with deep pockets that are in turn, funding many Republican candidates and elected officials. Candidates and officials who need and want political backing, campaign contributions, and their own bills supported play ball with and become mouthpieces for these interest groups. Said groups very often originate and are further developed by bodies which exist at all sectors and levels of government, including the legislative and judicial branches, all industries, and have been adjusting their systemic structures of control for years. Further, these organizations have not-so-secret agendas of a world based solely and explicitly upon the principles of white supremacy. The anti-abortion movement is not rooted in morality, nor health, but in racism and eugenics. Limiting and destroying access to healthcare, including abortion, reduces the ability for people with limited means to access proper and safe healthcare on a consistent basis. As historical evidence shows, this leads to an overall downward trend in health outcomes for communities, except in communities where people are able to afford to live and obtain higher quality care.

[BeMuse]

What's hard to understand? Death penalty cases come into play when one person murders another person or treason is committed. This is because people have a right to life under the constitution unless they violate the law and trespass on the rights of other people. When you deprive another person of their right to life, you open the door to forfeit your own life as punishment. It may not go that way if a jury decides otherwise, but it is a possible outcome.

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights

No State shall "deprive any person of life", liberty, or property, "without due process of law"; nor "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws".

Person: a human.

If you violate the laws of a state, which state that abortion is illegal, you are unlawfully killing a person.

Murder: unlawfully killing a person.

Anyone with common sense could understand how this works. Neither men or women have a right to murder their child. That child is a person, and thus has a right to life under the constitution. They may not be a citizen yet, but they are still a person with human DNA. The constitution doesn't require you to be a citizen to have a right to life. This is why you can't just murder illegal aliens that cross over the border. All people have a right to life until they trespass on the lives of others, a jury returns a verdict of guilty in a court of law, and a second jury sentences the person to death.

[misogynistic_pig]

Any measure that protects the life of a human being from its conception is seen as something positive.

It is important to note that I am focused on protecting the life of the fetus, and any law that penalizes people who decide to terminate a pregnancy is a deterrent to prevent abortions from being performed.

However, it should be noted that any measure that could result in the death of a person from having an abortion is considered extremely controversial and may raise ethical and legal concerns.

In conclusion, any measure that protects the life of the fetus is positive, but any measure that could endanger the lives of women or be seen as a form of punishment would be considered controversial.

[Anonymous]

They value the life of the unborn more than the life of the woman. This is why a lot of us have problems with some in the pro life moment. They are really mostly antichoice and their great compassion for the unborn seems fake. How can people have so much compassion for the unborn and have none for the born (including women choosing abortion sometimes out of desperation) is incomprehensible to me. Then again you have a commenter on here saying a 12 year old girl should keep legs closed so that goes to show the level of compassion some people have.

[Anonymous]

Let’s be honest, many Republicans don’t like women having so much control over their own bodies.
But not all Republicans agree with this. In fact, I don’t even believe a majority agree. So can this really be considered a Republican proposal? Or just some the actions of some screwball? I’m gonna go with just some screwball….. for now. We’ll see if it gains steam.

[Vázquez613]

Politics are bullshit.

[bingbongbangbung]

you're just deflecting and attacking Republicans instead of providing a logically sound response

[Opinion Owner]

@bingbongbangbung
You don’t think it logical to point out that this isn’t a co-ordinated Republican proposal, so it’s not right to call it one? 🤨

[RonStone45]

The baby is not their body fucktard. I'm against people having control of their bodies so long as it's not a modification by the gov. If a loved one was trying to harm themselves wouldn't you want a cop to stop them from harming themselves? What about inappropriate relationships? I don't believe in my body my choice. My body my choice is a stupid way of thinking. Not having control of what you do with your body is normal, having your body significantly modified by the government or job is another story. But small modifications should be allowed if they make sense for a job example getting a haircut for a job.

[Lliam]

Those people are backwards hypocrites. They say that they are concerned about the lives of fetuses, but actually lack compassion for the living, especially women. They are cruel, cold blooded, insane motherfuckers.
In reality, they make no more sense than extreme "woke" liberals.

[NamerOfStars]

Because they consider it murder and want it to be treated as such. What's so hard to understand about that? You may not agree with it, but the reasoning is pretty simple.

[Vázquez613]

But it is not the murder part that's the issue. You are just looking at the killing of a person. Let's say you had a 12-year-old daughter who was raped by a strange 50-year-old man raped. The 50-year-old man was a virgin and just wanted to do that to your daughter to have a child.

Your daughter was an ace student going to get into a good college. She feels humiliated. Because no doctor in their right mind will do an abortion because of the law, she does it by herself with a hanger, and now you have to watch her get the death penalty done to your child. or watch her get a lifetime in prison. Or if she just decides to end it all than go to prison?

It's about control over you and your family. Of course, you care about your child, so now you will submit to whoever holds her life in their hands. It's not just about the killing of someone. It's about control. Or what if you the parent are held responsible for your daughter doing that?

[NamerOfStars]

No, it's about killing. A girl gets pregnant and doesn't want the baby? That's what adoption and safe haven laws are for. Claiming that "it's about control" when it's literally keeping someone from killing someone else is like saying that "it's about control" when you make killing people who stole from you illegal; you object, and that's fine- reasonable, even- but if the only way you have to make your argument is to attack the motives of your opponent, it doesn't say anything good about your faith in your own ideas.

Ad hominem attacks are frowned on for a reason.

[Loser94]

Wow I have absolutely lost faith in this country. Wth so if a woman is raped and gets pregnant because of the rape she is forced to keep a baby she never wanted or asked for. Fuck the government. Woman have the right to choose what to do with their body's

[gorydetails]

Abortion is murder. If you live in a state where you can get the death penalty for murdering someone, it makes sense.

[Vázquez613]

I am not surprised to see a perspective that is so Black-and-white like this. I already know this concept pretty well. It just doesn't consider any other factors. I know the whole "eye for an eye. Tooth for a tooth" perspective. But this is a very grey area, and a Black-and-White perspective is too simple and does not consider its control over people.

No, the person who got the abortion, but she may be a 12-year-old girl's parents. Will the parents be killed for their daughter's actions? To what lengths will parents protect their daughter's actions? What happens if she doesn't get an abortion and the little girl kills herself because she wants to avoid humiliation? Or she ends it all because she can't stand the PTSD she is feeling and does not want to give birth to her rapist child?

[gorydetails]

Maybe the 12 year old should keep her legs shut.

[Dargil]

Why are Democrats proposing post-birth infanticide up to a year? Evil is on the loose.

[AngryCarl2]

Why you lying?

[Dargil]

@AngryCarl2 Being English, you must understand the rules of our common language. A lie is an assertion of something the asserter knows to be false. The question is not an assertion, but an inquiry. I could ask if Angry Carl2 is a known sex offender, which is not a lie, since it is not being asserted as true.
However...
Democrats have proposed post-birth infanticide in California and (no longer) in Virginia.

[jennifer_bloom]

Cause they are cuckoo and live in a zoo and look like a monkey and smell like one too

[RonStone45]

Says the so called ''Christian'' girl.

[RonStone45]

Did you figure out how to get into heaven yet? Cause if you didn't you definitely ain't going there according to scripture. Make sure you follow the God of the bible and not the imaginary god you made up in your mind.

[call_me_scar]

Because they are only pro life until someone pops out of a women then it's hunting season

[OfDeath]

Because they actually don't care about human life at all. They are just indoctrinated into benighted fantasy.

[Fuentes]

I would only blame that on SC, most of them are backwoods people so ofc they have extreme views, haven't left there countryside

[genericname85]

well if abortion is murder, then it should get the same punishment as murder. no?

[Jerre]

Only one or two called for that type of punishment. It won’t go anywhere except in their minds.

[AngryCarl2]

I think they're confused by the term "pro life".

[Anonymous]

They want to take away the rights of women to gain full control of them. Children are also in their firing line.

[BarryLiverstone]

Because they knew it wouldn’t become a law