Fort Bragg, Fort Hood - gone with the wind. So what's next? Book burnings?
+1 yPolitical correctness can go too far but that's not necessarily the case here.
If there was a Fort Greaseball to commemorate the defeat of Mossolini and Italian fascists in WWII, would anyone still think it's appropriate?
What if there was a Fort Cracker that had a history of racism against caucasions?
How about a Fort Kike?
My white brethren would have changed all of these names decades ago. The only difference is that white people aren't the only ones with voices anymore and that gets bigots upset.01 Reply
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First, I think that the next step is not book burnings. We're not there. Yet. Nor do I think there's a close connection. But I digress.
I'm uncertain/undecided about some of the names. I think we risk scrubbing/erasing history rather than learning from it. One good example that is squarely in that camp is the USS CHANCELLORSVILLE.
Other names make more sense.
All that said, I personally know several of the members who sat on the commission including Admiral Howard (I worked with her and her staff for years) as well as General Neller. They are SMART and GOOD people and I have no doubt they carried out their work well and thoughtfully -- regardless of how folks across the spectrum feel about the results.
So, what do I think? We'll get some of it right and some of it wrong. Some of it will be the right change for the right reasons and others will be changing history for the wrong reasons.
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5.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It's a dumb waste of time and resources to virtue signal to a fringe group that doesn't matter. These posts have their own history independent of the people they're named after, and eventually this is going to turn into a regular Rochambeau of renaming every base every few years because whiner babies, until we just start using numbers. In fort Hood's case especially, they have far bigger problems to deal with that have been infamously ignored for years.
The only renaming proposal I've heard that isn't stupid was Benning to Moore, but even that one is hard to stomach since Benning holds such an endearing love-hate status as the post where combat MOS recruits attend OSUT and earn jump wings. It would make more sense to rename Fort Hood to Fort Moore considering the battalion he famously commanded is currently posted there.
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1.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I'm indifferent since it's already been decided and is being implemented. I see merits to both sides of the argument, but I'm not going to pick a side since I have no stake in it. Neither side of my family came to the US until the very late 1800s, so I have no interest in fighting the US Civil War all over again, or in the dead people who fought it. My opinion isn't going to matter since the powers that be have already decided.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yIn my city a very prominent statue of a Confederate general was removed.
Oddly he had publicly stated he would salute Black military officers...
... aaaaand he fought against the city after the war because they wanted to segregate all the city parks, denying entry and access to Blacks...
... and when he died he was widely eulogized by the city’s Black population because he had done so much for them after the war to help integration...
... aaaand a bunch of Woke Leftists who know nothing about history vandalized the statue and threw paint all over it... and the city removed it...
... and now there is just a big empty pile of bricks in the middle of the neighborhood.
Thanks Democrats! You sure have a way of making things shittier. 👌 😉
20 Reply8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It's a bad idea. Those base names had become brand names, not even associated with the Confederate generals they were named after as part of the process of national reconciliation.
But the real point is that the powers-that-be don't care about who the bases were named after, it's about them forcing the identity they want us to have rather than us deciding for ourselves, basically telling us what we have to think and believe.
20 Reply553 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. If the is something that has to be changed it should be the $20 Bill where Andrew Jackson was the founder of the democratic party and was responsible for massacring and seizing the native American land in 1833 causing the (TRAIL OF TEARS) and also owned many plantations and slaves. When Abraham Lincoln abolished slavery and made it illegal, the democrats needed to find a new con game which brought in Nathan Bedford Forest who was a confederate general and founder of the KKK. In my ow personal opinion and Matrch being international womens month I feel the $20 dollar bill should be changed from Andrew Jackson to Ida B. Wells
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I would not disagree.
I'm fine with us not naming and honoring people who, tried to us the military to succeed from america, and were proud supporters of kidnapping, torture, rape, and human trafficking.
Seems weird we honor them in the first place with statues and naming military bases in their honor.
Who else we gonna name a military base after, jeffrey dahmer?
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Agreed. I think it was the mindset of the old heads at the time who actually liked those people, If it’s because of that I feel that we should keep it simply to remember the history. Many years later generations need to know
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@ChillaxingLove well if you look deep into real history books what you see is the first few years they did some memorials in cemeteries. That was mostly done by family members. But 670 of the 700 monuments were done during the civil rights era where the states government was actually being vengeful because they didn't like the civil rights movements. They began putting up these monuments honoring them, they even began flying the confederate flags at capital buildings, and georgia actually redid their state flag with the confederate flag to spite the civil rights movement. Some of the monuments had inscriptures saying how brave the confederate soldiers were for fighting for such an honorable cause. One called them the greatest of knights from the greatest of races.
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No don't get them started on that.
3.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Bragg! Isn’t that the name of the New York DA that wants to hang anything that he can on the Donald? If that is a Confederate name. He needs to be banished!
When history repeats itself. It will be all new because it never was documented in the new and improved History Books! Just the old ones that were destroyed!10 Reply1.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I am all for it. The United States should name installations after people who supported the US, not people who seceded and went to war with the US. Why should we honor people who supported keeping slaves? And yes, some of the heroes of the North did have slaves at one time, but they supported ridding the US of that.
And it is nothing like book burnings. In fact, even more books should be written telling how evil that system was.
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Who went to war with the US? The Confederates just wanted to be left alone. 🤷♂️ You know. To LEAVE.
Yeah... not allowed. Sorry. So we’re going to burn Atlanta. 👍 - +1 y
Leave to go where?
You really expect the entire population of Georgia to remove themselves to where... goddamn New Zealand?
You haven’t thought this out very much, have you?
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+1 yMaybe we should be listening to Shakespeare..."What’s in a name? That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet.” and leave things alone, rather than try to rewrite history.
What do the "purists" want to do with Robert E Lee? He was number 1 in his West Point class.00 Reply - 692 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yStatues were destroyed, streets were renamed & now military bases & one can only wonder what is next. George Washington owned slaves but yet Washington DC & Washington are STILL Washington.
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+1 yMy mom taught me not to use language like these situations would easily deserve.
Suffice it to say that history is history, and no matter how hard the wokers try to change it by changing base names and statues, it won't woke, er, work!
Our tax dollars can be put to much better use.
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+1 yIt’s stupid cancel culture at its best, by doing that they are trying to erase history when at the time there was nothing wrong with what they were doing but now it’s not acceptable so they try to erase it ever happening which is the wrong approach because forgetting history is a big mistake because it repeats itself since it was never learned about what happened before. It’s just a recipe for disaster for the next generation
00 Reply 27.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. These people were American heroes. They were a victim of their times but did extraordinary things under bad conditions. To try and erase them from history is a crime.
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+1 yGood. No need to remember horrible people. Learn from there mistakes but we don’t need to put them on a pedestal of remembrance of when America was at its worst point in history
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Yet these same Union soldiers massacred the American Indians, including women and children, and made tobacco pouches out of women's breasts and men's scrotums. What about their hate?
1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. They think if they forget it ever happened it will go away... They are destined to repeat it all over again... What they don't realize is if you take away all of the bad you are not left with only the good.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yReal talk... honestly, do all of these people think that their problems are going to magically disappear because a few statues came down or a military base was renamed? lol
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+1 yFort Hood is too infamous they need a name change desperately. Fort Hood is the hood lol.
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+1 yNo problem with it. Confederate generals were traitors to the country and union.
Rename the base after popular presidents.04 Reply- +1 y
They should have done that to begin with.
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I agree with Hispanic and this is probably the only thing I can agree with woke leftists on, but probably for different reasons.
They engaged in an armed revolution because they wanted to continue to own slaves. They were defeated. There should never have been a memorializing of the people who participated on the Confederate side. Whether they fought for slavery or fought for states rights, which some Confederates did, or both being a traitor and fighting against your country and for the cause they fought deserves to not be memorialized. - +1 y
Fort Trump?
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Get serious.
I find it sad. It's happening in my area too.
Stonewall Jackson Hotel,
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+1 yGovernments everywhere are attempting to right historical wrongs. Even companies and organizations are jumping on that train.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yWe need to tear these statues down so we can make more room for George Floyd statues and statues of other career criminals.
00 Reply3.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. They can call them whatever they want; it's a shitshow no matter what
00 Reply11.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It's ok but it will not solve the underlying problems.
00 Reply1.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. In the end it's just names, but it would be interesting to hear the reasons for changing them.
00 ReplyIn truth, those men fought against the United States, why should they have been rewarded for it
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In truth, the United States fought against those men.
I think it's utterly ridiculous !!!
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Anonymous(18-24)+1 yIt's silly deleting history
00 ReplyIt's a disgrace. That's all I'll say.
00 ReplyIt’s fucking disgraceful to change them
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+1 yI hate this woke bullshit.
00 Reply Absolutely ridiculous
00 Reply871 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. its excessive
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+1 yWaste of time and money
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