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Why, the men that don’t want kids not fighting harder alongside the women to keep abortion, pills and rights for women? (Page 2)
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So you want men that don't want kids, whom on average exploit women, and young girls, to support the means to get rid of the evidence for their crimes?
In response to your addendum - what about the choice of those girls and boys being murdered in the womb? @Justneedtokno
Do they have no human rights inspire of having human DNA and all other biological features that make them just as humans you and I?
Also if the definition of viability keeps changing with the advancement of medical technology does the morality of murder change as well? Or is murder still murder?
The question is, why are they not advocating with these women not the extra stuff you put at the end of it. It shouldn’t take a whole baby to use as evidence for men’s crimes. That that’s horrible you are the woman keep a child from incest rape one night stands all this other stuff. That’s my question to you for me. I don’t know because I try not have get myself in the situation in the first place.
I will start giving a fuck about women's reproductive choices when society starts giving a fuck about mine. Until then, I could not care less.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_abortion
What choices do you want?
I want the same choice women have with abortion, which is to choose to not be a parent. It's all in the link I provided. Let me know if you still have questions after you read it.
Those murder advocators have nothing to do with me I assure you that. I wanted children all my life and murdering them or anyone else is offensive.
I don't want children but I am completely anti-feminist so I am against abortion in all cases, including the risk of maternal death.
So you don’t care if the woman dies at all gotcha
You've always been outnumbered by the large majority of people that disagree with you. You just had a rigged court system that disregarded the people's opinion...
Now reality is hitting you that people do not agree with killing children and never have. They understand that all people in America have a right to life which they can not be deprived of without due process of law and that every person has equal protection under that law. You are the minority that has been pushing a criminal agenda that violates American's constitutional and human rights.
It's really irritating to try and support things like that, only to have a bunch of women tell you to stay in your lane and stop speaking about women's issues.
I just feel like as a woman can’t tell a man how to be a man and as a man, I wouldn’t think you want to correct a woman
Yeah… I mean, you aren’t wrong. It just can’t be a surprise when the people you told not to speak on something aren’t speaking on it.
Birth control remains legal everywhere in the United States, though several states allow doctors and pharmacists to refuse to prescribe or dispense contraceptives, Women have access to over 35 methods of birth control, not including the ‘Morning After Pill’ and abortions. Guys on the other hand have only 4 options, condoms, withdrawal, vasectomy, or abstention.
I’d lower that to 3 choices as withdrawal is not necessary reliable or effective.
Good point.
Why isn’t the abortion crowd advocating for and pushing for more bodily autonomy for men? So that men may have absolute control over their reproduction? I see many blood thirsty women reject men’s anti abortion views on grounds of body autonomy. Why then is there not great outcry and push to have science and technology pushed and research funded to allow men, particularly those against abortion to have greater control in this area?
Seems like it would eliminate those women who lie about being on birth control from making a man a father against his will and likewise paying child support for a child he did not intend to have.
This is one area we greatly need to empower men. In them having more options on their own choosing to eliminate unwanted pregnancies. Would this not help satisfy both the pro and anti abortion crowds? To truly empower both sexes to have greater reproductive control?
They aren't?
For pro life men that don't want kids it's just common sense they won't.
As for pro choice men I'm pretty sure they are. Maybe because they're in the minority so you don't see them a lot but if you keep up with the news you would find that people, families, workplaces have been threatened, attacked for abortion laws. If that's not hard enough then what is?
That makes absolutely a lot of sense. And I think it’s absolutely wrong that they’re out here attacking hospitals with other type of patients in it there’s a thing called peaceful protest. You can voice your opinion all you want but you do not have to harm people in order to do so that’s the whole hypocrisy that I do not get you’re putting other people’s lives in danger. What is that Mother has , you’re putting other peoples lives in danger. What is that mother has another child to take care of but you’re trying to kill her Because she’s already having a hard time keeping the child that she has
Because most men don't like misandrists, whether they want kids or not
I apologize, but I do not see the necessary connection. "Not wanting kids" does not automatically mean someone support abortion rights any more than having children precludes one from supporting abortion rights.
You ladies keep telling us we don't have the right to an opinion on the matter. I don't have a uterus, so I don't have a place in the conversation.
If in a committed relationship with a person. The questions are in the beginning. Do you want to have a baby or not? If you both mutually agree that you don’t want to have a child, it is up to both of you to make sure that you protect yourselves.
Of course that's a vital discussion. But what does it have to do with your original question?
I was referring to what you were talking about. You stated that. You ladies keep. Saying we don’t have a right or an opinion. And addressing it, I think men do have an opinion with those circumstances.
To my original question is for those men that do not want children why are they not in the fight for abortion or abortion pills.
That's what my answer was referring to. We're not in the fight because we've been told we have no right to even have an opinion about it.
There's plenty of emasculated men who are fine with you murdering your baby.
I tried but you bitches didn’t show up to vote for Hillary and allowed the Orange mutant to put THREE justices on the court.
I voted. And I kinda take offense to being called a bitch when I’m not mean.
It was a collective “bitch”. Aimed at women and blacks, both of whom mostly stayed home on Election Day. I guess I’m tired of liberals bitching about right wing wins when we handed Trump the election.
@odd
Maybe if blacks didn’t have to get legit ID to vote more would have voted. ID to vote is racist. Right?
@Exterminatore research does show it hampered poorer communities, older communities and college kids. Why do Repubs accept gun licenses as valid but not college IDs?
Gee could it be political?
I don’t accept gun licenses as valid for any reason, including to vote. Since when does anyone need a license to exercise their Constitutional rights?
Dude, they can get a valid ID like anyone else. Being poor does not keep people from getting a license or valid state ID.
FYI firearms ownership is restricted to citizens. That’s the idea. Keeping non citizens from voting.
@Exterminatore you should try being poor sometime. There’s limited public transport of course. You think they have a car to get across town to pick up their free voter ID? And take off work in order to do it?
I was poor for several years but by God’s grace and hard work I no longer am.
Yes, limited public transport. I understand. They have these things now called Uber and Lyft.
In any case we can’t have foreign nationals voting in our elections. Funny how there have been plenty of poor people in America but this ID wasn’t an issue until the last presidential election. ID is racist.
@Exterminatore So you are demanding they pay Uber and take off work, which they can’t afford, to collect their voter IDs?
I thought constitutional rights were supposed to be free.
They can go on a day when they’re off. I had to put gas in my vehicle to get to the DMV.
Dude, if these people can’t get enough money together to go get a simple ID then I don’t really care. That’s the way it had been for decades. Now all of a sudden ID is racist.
No one is denying them their rights either or making them pay to have their rights. It’s just a simple fact of life everyone has to get to the place the ID is issued and therefore literally almost everyone pays to get it.
What’s the alternative? Allowing foreigners to influence our elections? I thought that was so heinous to you lefties you had to launch the circus called the Russia probe at a cost of millions of taxpayer dollars…. which we all paid for through federal taxes I might add.
@Exterminatore you’re putting a lot of personal anecdotes into the lives of people living at or below the poverty line. We don’t know what the fck they can afford.
No one’s influencing or hacking into voting terminals. Russia did pay for a lot of bots to turn half the country crazy. And colluded with the Trump campaign.
Voter ID is a solution without a problem. And forcing poor people to lose money and not accepting college IDs is political bullshit.
It’s not about what they can afford. The rules are the same and have been for everyone for many years.
Foreign nationals can get college ID’s. Are you not aware many Russians come here on student visas?
@Exterminatore but foreign nationals aren’t registered to vote. Jesus Christ I’m arguing with a retard. I believe several replies back you wrote, “Since when does anyone need a license to exercise their Constitutional rights?” Or can’t you see the parallel?
I’m referring to gun rights and “shall not be infringed.”
No one needs a license to have free speech, or any of the others.
License as in drivers license. As in ID. Not as in a license to vote. No one is mandated to pay a fee for permission from the government to get a license. But you do need ID.
As far as them not being registered to vote…. hahaha. Look up how the CA DMV registered a bunch of illegals to vote and don’t even know who they are. That happened several years ago. Which by the way is exactly why you don’t give illegals drivers licenses.
@Exterminatore voting is a constitutional right moron. You’re an idiot if you put guns over voting.
Great! Then they can have proper identification and vote. Or don’t and not vote. Nothing unconstitutional about ensuring we know a voter is: 1. A citizen, 2. Properly registered to vote, 3. Only votes once, 4. Is properly identified as the person who has the Constitutional right to vote.
We don’t need foreign interference in our elections right? Wasn’t this a priority. We needed to waste millions on the Russia probe. Or was that simply because we didn’t like the dreaded orange man and we’re seeking to circumvent the the Democratic process.
Remember Jan 6th. The dreaded attack on our democracy? I guess it’s not an attack on our democracy when we have a political witch-hunt to remove an elected politician because we don’t like his politics by: 1. Nation wide protests when he was elected. When that failed to remove him: 2. The Russian probe, 3. 2 separate impeachments, 4. The Jan 6th hearings which were meant to keep him from reelection, 5. The Top Secret documents at Mara Lago, and 6. The latest indictments.
If you guys are so all about protecting our democracy and preventing assaults on it I’d think none of this would be going on and you’d take no exception to showing valid ID to vote. But no, now ID is racist.
You call me a names and don’t have the intellectual honesty to see the problem with your position here, mainly that it’s hypocritical and a farce. ID is racist. My dying ass.
@Exterminatore Great you can have proper identification and registration (like voters) for your guns.
We already have this.
@Exterminatore gun registration? Ex-squeeze me?
Yes. Most states have it. Also background check and presenting LEGIT ID.
@Exterminatore most unless it’s “personal sale”. But then that info isn’t kept.
And registered like cars.
I will, sir I am black and I am also a woman. There are a lot of other African-Americans that did not vote because they feel is if their vote do not count, there’s been so much over history, but I understand their distrust in the government, but on the other side of it, I’m also a citizen so, if people fight for me to have a right to vote, I’m a voice my opinion as much as I can at least I did not hold my tongue
@Justneedtokno I do understand the feelings, being a liberal in Texas. Somehow that didn’t stop your voting bloc in 2012 re-electing Obama, literally the most people ever to turn out to vote. Then 2016…collapse.
And since you’ve bitched about Trump 1000 times, I bet.
Well, I don’t personally believe that my voice doesn’t matter. On top of it back when Obama was president. He already came into a situation where it was already falling apart and honestly he did the best he could to keep it all together.
Now, when it comes down to Trump, I don’t know too much and particularly complain about him. I just don’t like his attitude towards women or certain things but you’re supposed to leave things in a better situation then you came in with I didn’t really see any changes plus we already had a situation. We had Covid and possibly it seem like we were going into another war. Remembered this is a businessman, not the same as being a senator or something that has prior knowledge of the government system.
Absolutely agree. Federally if you live in a conservative state and not a swing state, then yes your vote means little. But Texas, where I’m in, could be a swing state in the next few years if we get the Latino vote to stay Dem.
Also there are local elections you seem not to care about. Right now, my Texas school district is trying to put bible study as a required class and drop the study of African American historical figures.
Some of us believe in contraception. 🤷
Sometimes it fails, and the most extreme anti-abortionists would like to ban any contraception that works after the egg is fertilised, like the (morning after) pill, IUDs, etc.
@goaded I don't necessarily support the morning after pill, but I'd rather have that than abortion.
Yes true
@goaded
“Sometimes it fails” - Pretty much no.
I’ve had sex with over 300 women. I’ve nutted inside exactly 4 of those over 300 women. Of those 4, I shot hundreds of loads into each them. All were on the pill to include my current wife. My wife previously used an IUD before switching to the pill.
NOT 1 UNWANTED PREGNANCY.
Most methods of birth control are pretty much 100% effective when used properly.
This is how you pro abortion people sound:
“We should have abortions legal fir the.000001 % of known reliable birth control that fails and for the 97% of people too irresponsible to use reliable birth control consistently.”
Oh I get it. Condoms suck. The pill is a pain in the ass to take every day. Too bad. We all know how babies are made and how to prevent that. If personal pleasure is more important than not murdering to you, what more can I say.
Go ahead and mention rape so I can point out how that constitutes roughly 3% of abortions.
Would you be in favor of limiting abortions to rape, and mothers life in danger from giving birth? Cutting the 97% of abortions that were 100% avoidable? Probably not. You people are blood thirsty. I advocate for eliminating abortion for rape too. Why should that baby be murdered for the misdeeds of someone else. It can easily be put up for adoption eliminating the the attempted justification for murder there also, leaving only abortions to preserve the mothers life, which would be necessary extremely seldomly. And if we do those abortions as soon as absolutely possible, I think that’s as reasonably ethical for all as possible.
@Exterminatore Just because you don't understand what statistics are doesn't mean you're right.
He is right, though, actually.
Human nature being what it is, many people make poor decisions; are they the sorts of people you want to force to have a child?
"The following are the values of the failure rates of various contraceptives:
Levonorgestrel intrauterine system (LNG IUD): 0.1%–0.4%
Copper T intrauterine device (IUD): 0.8%
Implant: 0.1%
Injection or “shot”: 4%
Combined oral contraceptives: 7%
Progestin-only pill: 7%
Patch: 7%
Hormonal vaginal contraceptive ring: 7%
Diaphragm or cervical cap: 17%
Sponge: 14%
Male condom: 13%
Female condom: 21%
Spermicides: 21%
Fertility awareness-based methods: 2%–23%
Sterilization: 0.5%"
www.emedihealth.com/.../contraceptives-types-efficacy
Oh, and remember my comment about anti-abortionists wanting to ban anything they can call a abortificant?
"Contraceptives are methods of birth control that place a physical barrier between sperm and egg, such as condoms and diaphragms. By contrast, abortifacients are hormonal-based methods of birth control that often cause early abortions. In 2015, about 7.4 million American women were using such methods.1 The principal method of abortifacient birth control is “the Pill,” which first became widely used in the late 1960s and helped fuel the Sexual Revolution." www.hli.org/.../
So, forget that IUD and the pill (and don't forget that the reasoning behind Roe was the same reasoning that stopped states from banning barrier contraceptives even for married couples).
@goaded You're making the case for abstinence now. Congratulations. 👏
It's the only way to be sure. But it's not much fun, and it's never really been popular. Good luck convincing people to go for that, rather than turning to illegal and dangerous abortions.
@goaded Fair point.
But I do want to say that I'm not against the Pill.
Nobody who isn't a rabid anti-abortionist is, but they're the ones who seem to be running the show right now.
A group of (Republican) state legislators in South Carolina recently introduced a bill that would execute women who have abortions and gave more rights to rapists than women who've been raped. Florida just quietly signed a fetal "heartbeat" bill in the dead of night, to go along with several other Republican controlled states.
@goaded I agree with the Florida bill. But the South Carolina one is insane.
Don't you think the Florida bill, which gives women less than two weeks to realise they might be pregnant, make a decision about whether they want to keep it, and make an appointment for an abortion (and, presumably, to get time off work) is insane? I don't know if Florida is one of those states force extra delays on the procedure, but that would make it even less practical.
By the way, at some point you'll have to take a stand either for women and decency, or nutters like this Now that Roe vs. Wade was finally repealed, should the emergency contraceptive pill be made illegal? ↗
@goaded www.clearblue.com/.../early-pregnancy-testing
Buy one of our tests every month you have sex, before you expect your period, just in case! It might give you three weeks to get an abortion, probably less. Definitely less if your state forces you to get counselling first. I don't think anybody takes a test unless their period is late, and people have been known not to notice being a few days late.
@goaded You only take the test if he nuts in you.
@Justneedtokno Why would anyone get mad about a miscarriage? That's not her fault.
I’ve seen answers that say otherwise
Especially if they don’t care if the mother lives or dies
@Justneedtokno Who is saying that?
They are within a few of these comments about this subject
@Justneedtokno Who? I want to see.
Close your legs instead of murdering babies.
There's a difference that's feelings vs baby killers
The crazy part is people use science all the time, but they never put it in this aspect, like a fetus versus an actual child or the predicament to prevent women for making these choices by her self in the position assume that some of the guys that do respawn are the good ones that will be there if there’s a child around but not a lot of women deal with these type of men you got a think about the ones that do get raped or incest there’s not a lot of room in the foster care system. There’s not a lot of room in the adoption agencies, so what exactly do these women do? There’s not a lot of assistance, but forcing someone to have a child where she could be homeless that’s not the answer.
@just
Ahhh yes. It’s the “it’s a fetus” point of view.
That’s just playing word games.
Don’t call me a thief. I never stole anything from anyone. I just borrowed things indefinitely without first asking permission.
Same thing as playing word games with the term “fetus.”
How oh how as humans do we love to play word games to escape guilt of misdeeds and the responsibility for them.
A thief and a borrower are two different things versus one an actual baby is in knots, and on top of it y’all are going to get upset with the women that have miscarriages to
Why should we, it is up to women to fight for their rights and abortion should not be allowed without restrictions
Plain and simple just used birth control!
Why indeed.