Why, the men that don’t want kids not fighting harder alongside the women to keep abortion, pills and rights for women?

[Justneedtokno]

I have been following this information about the abortion and rates in just the government. And its current status. Here is some of my thoughts.

so my question is, is there a lot of men that do not want children why are you fighting for lawmakers to make it difficult for women to get abortions and abortion pills or any type of retroactive autonomy rights to a woman’s body.

• Men do not understand women’s bodies.
• There is mental effects both having or a boarding a child.
  
  
• A lot of women do not want to be on housing or government assistance, which also makes it harder on taxpayers, and those who don’t even pay taxes have to deal with this situation.
  
  
• There’s already limited access to some women that are younger for care, healthcare insurance

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1 y

For me I don’t wanna have opinion of someone else in their own choice I believe in choices. When it comes down to myself, I have no idea what I would do in the situation because I tried my best not to put myself in that situation. That’s it don’t twist my words!

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1 y

I never said, a man doesn’t have an opinion about the child but as far as my body goes unless I am married to you, are you are a emergency contact you have no it’s on in me over my body.

I was simply just trying to get an opinion of why men that do not want. Children aren’t advocating with the women on abortions. Or the abortion pill how do they feel about it? We’ve been asking women all the time what is your thoughts on this and I don’t mean the crazy ones that sit there and shoot up hospital

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1 y

For these pro lifers, do y’all get upset with the women that can’t carry it’s a full term that have miscarriages to

[boggboss]

Because they don't care because they are directly not effected

[msc545]

Men are directly affected in that they have to pay child support. Did you forget about that?

[boggboss]

I never said I didn't remember I said they don't care thats why so many still fuck without protection because they don't care

[msc545]

I think a lot of it has to do with being convinced that it simply won't happen to them because they are "lucky" or "special" or whatever. Condoms ruin sex for men. The guy that invents the "spray-on" condom will get very rich if it works.

[boggboss]

Well that too but having that Maindy set equally shows they simply don't care

[msc545]

How can you know what their "mindset" is?

[boggboss]

Because I know a fair few men that have stated that

[msc545]

So you think a few men's take on it represents all men?

[boggboss]

I never stated all men tho

[msc545]

so maybe a few?

[boggboss]

Is that not what I said?

[Justneedtokno]

Well this is true not all care.

[msc545]

The fact of the matter is that you only know what you think.

[boggboss]

Don't we all

[Anonymous]

No dog in the fight.

[Justneedtokno]

This is probably the best answer I’ve heard

[razelove]

Trolling like crazy as this is a dead topic, ha, get it? Anyway, You're not going to find nearly as many men fighting on the pro-choice side because they actively strip away any say a man gets in making babies. Whether he wants them or not.

If a guy doesn't want babies, it's pretty fucking simple, use a fake name, wear a condom, get a vasectomy, have that strong pull out game, and that's about it for ideas that actually involve PIV. If a woman wants to keep a man from having a baby, there are so many more ways to play that. Like for one, there is no male birth control, and spermicidal gels won't do anything if you use them like a dick soap.

I don't think it's right or wrong, it is what it is, and to change the dynamic you'd need to somehow invalidate the invention of all types of birth control, and in the process put maternal mortality back up to insanely high figures when women are getting knocked up x times and then dying, or getting lucky enough to have a dozen kids and then have a hysterectomy or enter menopause.

Anyway, your map isn't looking good. As far as "banning" is concerned, that's more laying out a roadmap of "having any restrictions" as far as I know Oklahoma is the only state looking for an outright ban. Most other ones are looking to put restrictions in place that vary on how far an abortion can take place, like 1st or 2nd trimester.

It really isn't an issue that matters to me personally though. If I don't want babies with a woman, I use a fake name, and what happens after that creampie isn't a me problem.

[Justneedtokno]

Yeah, the question has been brought up many times. Well abortion that is, but it’s still a question that I wondered about like the other side of everything. What do men think?

[razelove]

Personally I have nothing against it, and think states having their own versions of how far to take it or not is preferable to feds controlling that. I only find abortion disgusting if it is used as a birth control as preventative measures are simple and can often be acquired for free. Other than that I have no personal issues with it. The kids I have and am raising are in my family, in any scenario involving abortion that would have come up in my life it would be medically related.
In any scenario that comes up involving other people, honestly it has nothing to do with me, so I'm not going to stick my nose in it one way or the other. I think it is killing a potential kid, but I'm not the one who has to live with that, so again, not a me problem. If that did happen with any one night stands or casual relationships I had it would be amazingly hypocritical of me to pretend to care then or now.

[Justneedtokno]

So what do outside countries do what are your laws in philosophy on these type of things?

[razelove]

Whatever they want, like the US still penalizes coke and weed like crazy though statistically they're non issues compared to alcohol and opioids. If I go to say Costa Rica I can buy coke and guns with no issues, but ammo requires a license, then neighboring Panama is more strict on the coke and guns, but ammo is easy.
There wouldn't be immigrants a black market, or smuggling if there was a true "holy land" that met everyone's needs. Some places will provide better opportunities for more people than others will, but everywhere will attract opportunists and expatriates because of their unique laws, economy and qualities.

[Wade12345]

Call it what you want, girl, just don't call it 'good".

Read the Book of Judges. IN that book, humans repeatedly rebel against God and just "do whatever they feel like."

The problem with Democracy is majority rule just 'does whatever they feel like" especially if the majority is atheists and fake believing hypocrites.

legalize abortion? why not. to hell with Good and to hell with God, right? that's wht you're saying.

Legalize euthanizing 12 year olds? L Why not? you say "to hell with God and his goodness".

You liberals like to redefine the definition of good and evil, but God already gave us a reasonable logically dervivable law.

your evili "laws" are not logical and not self-consistent and not derivable.

democracy leads to tyranny when liberals and atheists and "fake believers" are in control, as is what happened in Germany during WWII era. The pagans and atheists murdered anyone in the world who disagreed with them, starting with their own countrymen and their own babies too. Tehy were eecntually convicted of infanticide and executed.

fast-forward to Roe vs Wade in the U. S. and they legalize INFANTICIDE right here in the USA and you LOVE to murder babies in the name of your pleasures and "freedom" and laziness and just plain evil.

Majority rule is not a reasonable standard of Truth or goodness or law. That's why God had to intervene from time to time and destroy Israel repeatedly to get the evil people out of power. It will happen right here in the USA one day. The pattern in history is God destroys a civilization about once every 250 to 400 years in their history, because they become corrupted and disobey God worse and worse.

Fuck animals? Well if a majority says so, you say "to hell with God".

If you had the votes, some of you right here on this blbog would legalize murder of anyone at any time and forcible rape.

[Justneedtokno]

The crazy part is people use science all the time, but they never put it in this aspect, like a fetus versus an actual child or the predicament to prevent women for making these choices by her self in the position assume that some of the guys that do respawn are the good ones that will be there if there’s a child around but not a lot of women deal with these type of men you got a think about the ones that do get raped or incest there’s not a lot of room in the foster care system. There’s not a lot of room in the adoption agencies, so what exactly do these women do? There’s not a lot of assistance, but forcing someone to have a child where she could be homeless that’s not the answer.

[Anonymous]

"is there a lot of men that do not want children why are you fighting for lawmakers to make it difficult for women to get abortions and abortion pills" I am not on of those men, bt the fact that someone doesn't want a child doesn't mean they are okay with murder.

"or any type of retroactive autonomy rights to a woman’s body." Biology determined that women's bodies are the incubators for unborn humans. Boohoo! That does mean you should have the right to commt murder because a pregnancy would be inconvenient.

"Men do not understand women’s bodies." I have NO idea why that statement - even if it WAS true - would be relevant to the morality of murder.

"There is mental effects both having or a boarding a child." There are also serious repercussions to being murdered. And there are methods of birth control available if you don't want to become pregnant.

"A lot of women do not want to be on housing or government assistance, which also makes it harder on taxpayers, and those who don’t even pay taxes have to deal with this situation." You can place your baby for adoption. But don't threaten me with 'if I'm forced to have a baby, I'll make you pay for it!'

"There’s already limited access to some women that are younger for care" What are you talking about?

"healthcare insurance" In my area, there are health services available for uninsured pregnant women and their children.

[Justneedtokno]

The crazy part is people use science all the time, but they never put it in this aspect, like a fetus versus an actual child or the predicament to prevent women for making these choices by her self in the position assume that some of the guys that do respawn are the good ones that will be there if there’s a child around but not a lot of women deal with these type of men you got a think about the ones that do get raped or incest there’s not a lot of room in the foster care system. There’s not a lot of room in the adoption agencies, so what exactly do these women do? There’s not a lot of assistance, but forcing someone to have a child where she could be homeless that’s not the answer.

[Opinion Owner]

That is the typical parade of horribles when this subject is discussed, but you are talking about hypothetical possbilities. Do you have any FACTS to show that this is what actually happens?

[Opinion Owner]

Many women and their partners mourn a miscarriage just as they would mourn the loss of a child after birth. And they mourn very year on the anniversary of the miscarriage.

[Steelcore5280]

Hold up. I thought that women like you constantly told is stupid shit like "no uterus, no opinion" whenever we participated in the ethical debate of abortion. Since pro-choicers always pull that idiotic stunt, why the fuck would I, a man, want to support abortion (which is a privilege, not a right), let alone call myself pro-choice?

It's funny that pro-choice women are against men having opinions when they voice their disagreements with the idea of abortion, but those same women ask/demand that men be in the same boat as they are on the issue of abortion. You can't have it both ways. Why should we, men, care about your pro-choice cause when you shame us with censorship and veiled sexism when we are pro-life?

Make it make sense.

[Justneedtokno]

I never said, a man doesn’t have an opinion about the child but as far as my body goes unless I am married to you, are you are a emergency contact you have no it’s on in me over my body.

Don’t group me what a bunch of stuff

[Exterminatore]

@steel

A good point. Well said.

[inhua]

probably because men have no reproductive rights whatsoever?

a man can be forced to pay child support for a kid that's not his even if he didn't want kids all because the woman decided that he should be the father even if DNA tests prove he's not the father.

and if he refuses, it's jail time for him.

we can all play the "women's free choice" game all we like but we know men have very little "free choice" in such matters. military draft is another example of such.

[hahahmm]

In your update you say, "I never said, a man doesn’t have an opinion about the child but as far as my body goes unless I am married to you, are you are a emergency contact you have no it’s on in me over my body." -- Let me know when you start fighting for men to have the right to opt out of paying child support. His wallet, his choice.

Too many women get pregnant on purpose because they think they will benefit from it or that it will hook the guy. Then later they change their mind.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I was about to give the same answer as the MHO's you picked... not my problem (basically).

What I've been wondering about the most is all that protesting stuff to keep abortion that was going on there for a while... Why was all that mostly in states where it's just protected by law anyways? I'm sure there were exceptions, but the bulk of them that had any info about them (that I could find) was where it was just safe by law anyways.

Like I was in Washington state and they were all out in the street yelling and marching... and I was just shaking my head... why? your abortions aren't going anywhere! The abortion clinic is still right there across the street (I can see it out my window) and it's still churning with business as usual.

It just confuses me is all.

[Grond21]

It's sexist to assume that men do not understand women's bodies.

Most men, most people who are pro life in fact, care very deeply about the women and they want what's best for them. If someone thinks differently then they are not listening to them and not looking at their actions, they are listening to those who hate prolifers.

The key that it all comes down to is whether or not the baby is a human with rights. If it is, it doesn't matter how difficult the mother's situation (assuming it's not life or death) you still cannot kill it. The quality of life of one person does not justify the murder of another. But if it is not a human with rights, go ahead and kill it. You can do whatever you want, because it doesn't matter

[goaded]

You think not letting them make decisions for themselves is "what's best for" women?

[Grond21]

Which women? The mothers or the daughters?

[goaded]

The pregnant woman, or have you skipped the "fetus is a baby" nonsense for "fetus is a woman"?

[Grond21]

To be clear, are you wanting an honest convo or is this an attempt to set up a gotcha question?

[goaded]

I'm OK with an honest conversation, so what did you mean by " Which women? The mothers or the daughters? ", as a response to " You think not letting them make decisions for themselves is "what's best for" women? "

[Grond21]

Great, me too. First you have to define which women we are talking about. If you mean only the pregnant mothers, then obviously that is a subsection of women. And as there is a whole other group of women in this case (women used to refer to the female babies as well) then they need to be considered too.
Second, we can ask what is best for them

[goaded]

So, you are declaring that a female fetus is a woman? I mean, it's hardly a "gotcha" question if that's exactly what you mean. A girl is not a woman, a toddler is not a woman, I've never heard of anyone calling a baby a woman, let alone a fetus.

FWIW, I think the main question is at what stage a fetus can be considered a person, not just human. However, there are circumstances where it is acceptable to remove life support from a severely incapacitated person, an end-of-life decision, which is usually made by the next of kin.

[Grond21]

I was using the term "woman" to mean female human person. I agree it's a little clunky though.

I think you're right, that is the question. And if it is a person, with all of the natural rights that go with that, then you can't kill them.

It is generally accepted that you can remove the life support from someone who could not survive on their own with natural processes, and the medical field is not able to cure them from some incapaity. But I don't think that applies here.

[goaded]

Well, for early abortions, the personhood argument holds; the "heartbeat" laws don't wait until there's any blood for the heart to pump, let alone the development of a brain (and that's not a exact moment, either). I'd say a brain is a pretty essential attribute of a person.

Later abortions are usually of desired pregnancies, because of a fetal anomaly, or a premature rupture of membranes (water breaking before or near potential viability). Women are being forced to carry dead fetuses for weeks because of new anti-abortion laws, which put their lives at risk.

Passing laws banning abortion before most women know for sure they're pregnant (six weeks means just 2 weeks "late"), or forcing delays on women getting abortions when they've decided they want or need one are simply making the situation worse. That they have to be paid for out of pocket in a lot of cases also adds delay and suffering.

[Grond21]

I think the personhood argument holds always. It has to. Everything after that is somewhat academic, if we are already killing the baby and it is a person.

[goaded]

Agreed. Now "all" we have to do is make that distinction! I think Roe (or a subsequent decision) decided viability should be the cut-off mark, but allowed states to make decisions about abortions after that point.

[Justneedtokno]

I understand what you’re saying, we appreciate you care, and consider the simple fact is

you will never fully understand a woman’s body we will never ever fully understand yours just because there’s science in and doctors and things you can never fully know why one woman in the having a child and one woman is not able to at all. Or emotionally

[Grond21]

@goaded Haha, yes, that is all we have to do. Simple to say, but hard to do in this cultural climate. I think they talked about viability, but did they actually make a statement? Or make it part of the law? Either way, I think legally it should not be up to the federal government but it should be up to each state. And morally it seems to me that conception has to be the point where you first have a person. Anything else doesn't make sense to me

@Justneedtokno You are somewhat correct, in so far as I will never know what it's like to be another person and live in the world with all the nuances that they experience. But we have enough commonality and we can reason enough such that most of it can be elucidated. Especially when we're talking about categories of people, like women in general. And from that, it is clear that abortion, if defined as the voluntary ending of the pregnancy when the mother's life is not at risk, is always wrong

[Justneedtokno]

Well, the whole thing is to not be in this situation at all. Raped incest are pretty traumatic things to try to raise a child in. Adoption agencies are overflowing foster care systems are overflowing there’s not enough government assistance and there’s way too much homelessness. I think we should look at other societies and see how they manage or advocate or do things Because the United States got it all messed up. There’s a lot of women out there that do not have a village or any support system. I feel as if giving that woman a choice can help no pressure no nothing and as far as the male aspect you can ask that’s all , if he is not going to support her or help her, and why do we have to wait and see if a man’s going to step up when it might’ve just been a one night stand. no one should force somebody to do something that they can’t even do for themselves. Too many scenarios.

[Grond21]

Honestly, that just reads like a leftist narrative. Have you been taking some leftist classes? Either way, while you are validly pointing out problems and struggles, they don't rise to the level of murdering a person. So if that is what is happening in abortion, they don't actually affect the discussion.

[Exterminatore]

@grond

Great answer! Fully agree.

[Grond21]

Thanks!

[Grond21]

Answering your update. Yes, it is always sad when a baby dies. I would just rather it not happen on purpose

[RiseofArtemis]

I think the Pill should be banned just like abortion was.

Reason why I say the Pill being banned is due to this. It Changes how a Woman acts and behaves, it alters their brain as well, while at the same time stoping your normal body functions. That can't be good for you and your body.

Studies have been Made which indeed proved the anti Baby pill to be harmfull to women with both short and longterm Problems to their body and health. The best solution for you and your body is to track your cicles and have the man wear a condom when you don't want children. It's proven to be effective that way and doesn't require to destroy your Natural body function with something that can even Render you infertile.

Medicine which harms a person should be outlawed anyway. I would only allow the anti Baby pill to exist if it had Zero side effects to your behavior and health, which it doesn't. It's like taking poison that doesn't kill you.

[Exterminatore]

It’s simple. I don’t want kids, so I used all precautions necessary to insure I didn’t have any. Over 300 different girls later I don’t have any. Not that I am proud of being a former man whore. My point here is, pregnancy is totally avoidable if one desires to avoid it. Not one STD either.


However abortion is murder so far as God and I am concerned. I support the full use of birth control, not murder. I definitely don’t support murder to fix a lack of self discipline which is what unwanted pregnancies result from 90% of the time or better.

[Mamasanma]

No wonder you are so sick. You are religious and in addition a sex addict. No wonder you think minors can't be taken advantage of if they consent to sex with pedo women.

[Exterminatore]

You’re advocating for murder and calling me sick? Whatever. You’re obsessed with pedos. You’re a liar and twist things people say.

[Anonymous]

Because the answer to not wanting kids is not kill the kids you create, it’s make sure you don’t create any kids. Very simple. You can do that by not having sex or getting sterilized in combination with also on top of that using condoms.

[Exterminatore]

Agree.

[MrOracle]

Most men want kids, and those who don't generally are responsible in the first place. The men who actually meet your description are the men who are selfish, self-centered, and chaotic - going around banging random girls raw and not caring if they get pregnant. Does that sound like the kind of guy who is going to make an effort to protest on behalf of someone else?

[Twalli]

I don't want kids, and ensured I can't have them. If you don't want kids, get a vascetomy and you won't. As long as you give two samples and they prove you sterile, you will be. The tubes won't reconnect randomly after that

[Justneedtokno]

This should also be – MHO

[Twalli]

I don't support vasectomies if you aren't ready for kids though. Just get it if, as a guy, you don't want any or any more kids.

[Justneedtokno]

But the only reason why I am agreeing with you is because you made a conscious decision to do what you wanted to do you don’t want children or didn’t want anymore or whatever the case may be you got a vasectomy. It’s not about supporting it is doing what you feel is best for yourself.

[Exterminatore]

@Twalli

Great answer. Fully agree. Although I’d argue there are plenty of other effective methods of birth control out there when used properly. Vasectomies are just one of if not the best methods.

[Uannoyme]

We all get to choose which causes, if any, we put our support and energy behind. No one owes their support to a cause. I don't know why people have this belief that they get to expect anyone to support their cause

[Justneedtokno]

This is very true but I know a lot of like bandwagon people that like if they agree with it, then they’re on the bandwagon if they don’t then they put everybody else in the other category

[Unit1]

I have absolutely no f-cking idea what you are talking about.
I am childfree and I consider abortion to be an essential right that is meant to be exercised at will.

[Justneedtokno]

MHO too

[Unit1]

Nice! And i wasn't even trying 🙂🙃

[anon1903]

I think men who do not want children should get a say in neither sides of the argument. Even pro life men who are against abortion, they should be ready to adopt. You can't be childfree and burden free and make laws in order to trap others. That's just wrong.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Because many of them want to keep women under control. Forcing motherhood in women is a great way to keep them in unhappy marriages and off the labour force.

[Exterminatore]

Forcing motherhood. Nope. We all know how to prevent pregnancy. They force themselves almost always through irresponsibility.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore the moment you deny them the right to abortion you are by definition forcing them into motherhood.

[Exterminatore]

The moment they got pregnant they forced themselves into motherhood.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

[Exterminatore]

Consent to swimming in a whirlpool is not consent to drowning.

I get it. You’re blood thirsty and will justify any reason to murder if it may get in the way of your pleasure or if it means you’ll have to be accountable for your actions.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore and consent to drive is not consent to have an accident. Exactly.

Trying to make ridiculous personal accusations doesn't help your case.

[Exterminatore]

So does does consenting to jumping off a building mean not consenting to dying?

This is the way things work man.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore that person did gave that consent yes. But in that situation both things that the person wanted are happening. Wanted to jump and to die. Got both. Gave consent for both.

Here. Gave consent to sex. Not to getting pregnant.

If you want a similar case. Think about a military jumping off a plane with a parachute that doesn't open.

He tried... But things want wrong.

[Alwayreckles93]

This_is_opinion8 You are a monster , So killing an infant its okay in your eyes? Abusing kids. Like you told ke two years ago you and along with your wife will use physical punishment in other words. Abuse your poor child.

[Alwayreckles93]

@Exterminatore Sir this men is a lost case he cheated on his girlfriend later force her to wash his car. Then he said him and his wife will used physical punishment on his future kids not surprise he supports abortion which I consider it chuld abuse. This men i a lost case.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Alwayreckles93 killing an infant is wrong. Good thing that abortion isn't that.
Regarding the other topic, I have changed my mind since. Even saw a video or two on the topic. I have no intention of using body harm as discipline.

[Alwayreckles93]

ABORTION IS KILLING AN INFANT! Lets see how you would feel if your mother flyshed you down the toilet!

[Alwayreckles93]

*Flushed

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Alwayreckles93 I did that when I was very young. I have apologized to that girl and I am the first one to say I was an asshole for it.
About child abuse see my other comment.

[Alwayreckles93]

This_is_my_opinion8 Abortion is murdering an infant. What planet you and your wife live in?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Alwayreckles93 English is not my native language, but I believe that "infant" is a term used to describe an already born child.

Regardless even if you call "infant" to a fetus, then you wouldn't be killing it either.

But even if you were killing a baby, abortion would still be justified. More than anything the debate on abortion is about body autonomy.

Women have the right to not want to host their body. Simple as that.

[Alwayreckles93]

This_is_my_opion8 You andvyour wife are possed by demons. Yes it is murder what makes you think it isn't? The doctor willtella pregnancy 3week woman not to lift heavy things it couse a miscarriages you will loose th baby. Yes the doctors calleds that lityje human baby inside the womb. Abortion is murder. Do you or your w8fe ever pay attention at church?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Alwayreckles93 I am an atheist. I don't go to church. And demons don't exist.
Please don't tell me that you got indoctrinated by the church.

[Alwayreckles93]

This_is_my_opion And why are you an ethist?
You know hell does exist and hell has a very special place for people who has dine abortions. Demons are real they can even be hiding in your stove in your home and you can even open portals when you watch horror scary movies or when you listen to worldly music you open portals at your home. I am a proud christian. From what i see you need a good lesson about the bible.

[Alwayreckles93]

This_is_my_opion8 How would you feel if a so called doctor snatch you out of your moms stomach?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Alwayreckles93 I mean no disrespect to your beliefs. But, the bible is a book that talks about talking animals, a world wide flood among other nonsenses.
Not to mention it doesn't condemn slavery. And has other immoralities.
I am really not a believer. Nor in heaven or hell.

I would feel nothing. Because I wouldn't be here.

[Exterminatore]

@always

I gave up. The bottom line is people like this will use any justification for their clinical murders.

He doesn’t seem to know how babies are made and doesn’t seem to realize that having unprotected sex is welcoming the idea of being pregnant.

If I jump off a tall building I’m automatically consenting to have gravity cause my body to plummet to the ground. The same is true with not using birth control. By not using it you’re consenting to the natural consequences of doing so which may be noting, a std or a pregnancy.

Yet people like him act like consenting to unprotected sex is not consenting to pregnancy. It damn sure is! These are the natural laws governing the world as we know it.

[Alwayreckles93]

@Exterminatore This guy beeds a reality check. His wife is a femenist and he is an athiest too. Im not surprised with his mentality he is married to a worldly woman. The times when i found out i was pregnant doctors would always tell me no carrying laundry baskets or mopping you can loose the baby and I was one month pregnant this weirdo huge had tells me that a pregnant woman life inside isn't consider a baby. Very funny doctors would ask me hows the baby developing while i was pregnan. This guy has soen missing screws.

[Alwayreckles93]

@Exterminatore Yes you are absolutely correct Sir. Birth control exist so not using it woman are asking to get pregnant on purpose. So many couples wanting to have children and they can't consived so they hire a surrogate they pay the sorrogate millions of dollars. They have social workers that help out pregnant woman who aren't ready to become mothers and they help her look for a couple that want children. Onenof my employees was about to abort i told ger not too my aunt wanted to get pregnant for years my aunt couldn't conceive so my aunt paid my employees $20,000 and once she had the baby my aunt adopted that baby girl. Yes Sirbyou are correct abortion is no excuse when we have so many childless couples wating to have children.

[Alwayreckles93]

This_is_my_opion8 You really need to find Jesus. Listen my friend here can help youlearn more about Jesus. Jesus is the only way to salvation. My friend here heis very knowledgeable about The Lord please take the moment to listen to my friend he is a great guy once you get to know him. Stop arguing with him and listen.

[Justneedtokno]

All I’m saying is a lot of people don’t want to sit there and pay taxes but you’re forcing these people to be mothers which increases the welfare rate which increases homelessness. A lot of people don’t have the support insurance money and everything else to take care of this baby and what if you’ve been injured or hurt while pregnant There’s more risk, but it’s also a thing for a woman to protect herself and if she’s on birth control, that is her protecting herself whether she is sexually involved or not. No woman is axing to be right no woman is asking for incest. No woman is trying to die during childbirth or end up having diabetes because of childbirth no one’s asking how do you feel about these things individually not just somebody randomly feeling like oh you should keep your baby just because of, whateve
I understand the religious side because I am also a Christian. God shines favor on the just and unjust.

[Alwayreckles93]

Well why not go to a social worker they will help you find a wealthy financially stable couple that will adopt your baby. And what about sorregate people pay them huge amount of money to have their child. Now if you were a true Christian you wouldn't support abortion. You ethier serve God orthe devil.

[Alwayreckles93]

This_is_my_opion8 Apperently 8n our generation millenials oh if a woman is adevoted wife 30 yea old men calls us boring , unappreciated. If you like femenist well have fun eating McDonald's

[Alwayreckles93]

This_is_my_opion8 It is not forcing woman 8nto motherhood these woman had a choice to use birth control.

[Justneedtokno]

You mustn’t hear how everything is overcrowded and a lot of adoption agencies don’t clear appropriate household‘s for these children that are now overpopulated you can’t Band-Aid situation, and as far as God
You seen the list of people that he has given his blessing to is never too late to be redeemed and on top of it with this situation, it never matters what other people think it matters with the woman is doing in that moment and how is she going to handle it and if she decides to go ahead and ask the man Hopefully not by rape.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Justneedtokno no matter how many times we explain... That abortion reduces death rates, reduces poverty, abandonment, etc. They will never listen.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore statistically speaking half of the people that want an abortion used some form of birth control that failed. So yes it is jumping off a plane with a parachute that doesn't open.

But even when they don't. They are stupid. Yes. Just like the person who jump off the building and didn't want to get hurt is stupid. But what do we do to the person who jumped off the building? We heal that person. We don't let it bleed out because it was a stupid thing to do. Same case here.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Exterminatore then again... many people today don't know about contractives or have access to them believe it or not. Thank either high religious parents that never had the talk or poor people that never had access to that information.

[Anonymous]

Just because we are men. Anything we do, we get ridiculed for it. If men participate in those rallies, even if for one day, women will crash land on us and blame us and the so called patriarchal people, claiming that a woman cannot even take this decision by herself.

It is a mess some idiots among you created, now pay the price as a whole. Things are really fucked up.

[LazerBean]

Because it doesn't take a genius to realize that killing tiny humans is disgusting and wrong.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

I am just disappointed, honestly. What would our ancestors think when they look at us? They also these problems. In fact, I would say, they had it much difficult than we do now. With medical science all.

[Justneedtokno]

@The_Shadow_Dweller oh, I’m sure it was way worse way worse

[Justneedtokno]

OK my question to you is so you force this woman to have a baby right now she’s on government assistance, welfare all of this stuff she has no education. How is she being a good part of society if she can barely take care of herself or that child but hey, she didn’t abort the baby when she got raped. What would you do in the situation? @LazerBean

[Justneedtokno]

Now, again, as I stated before, I don’t know what I would do in this situation because there’s different sides of it all. You have to mentally understand that there are some women that cannot take care of their children. There’s already so many in the foster care system and adoption agencies and unfit people to even take care of these children to even be adopted to then there’s a whole wide spectrum of what is a good family and not every family is a two parent household. There’s so many scenarios when it comes to having a child or not having a child that’s why I can’t even fathom what to do in the situation , I just know what I’ve done to prepare myself for not being in the situation is not go out there and just have sex or trying to put myself on display or whatever the case may be and sometimes it’s not even that. Nobody cares about the mental aspect of the woman that is going through those situations.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

Thanks!👍

[Exterminatore]

@Lazer

Fully agree. Well said.

[msc545]

This is an interesting question. Something I've wondered about. It seems that a lot of men cannot tolerate the idea that women just get to kill babies whenever they feel like it and that there are very few legal constraints on this, if any. Remember that abortion is murder and that nobody tolerates murder easily, not even men.

[msc545]

@goaded I write and speak in a way that is consistent with my beliefs.

[Justneedtokno]

The crazy part is people use science all the time, but they never put it in this aspect, like a fetus versus an actual child or the predicament to prevent women for making these choices by her self in the position assume that some of the guys that do respawn are the good ones that will be there if there’s a child around but not a lot of women deal with these type of men you got a think about the ones that do get raped or incest there’s not a lot of room in the foster care system. There’s not a lot of room in the adoption agencies, so what exactly do these women do? There’s not a lot of assistance, but forcing someone to have a child where she could be homeless that’s not the answer.

[msc545]

There are thousands of people *trying* to adopt children despite the fact that adoption carries its own problems. There are NOT ENOUGH CHILDREN to meet the demand for adoptable children.