Do you believe that diversity, equity and inclusion has had a positive or negative effect on the United States of America?

I love the irony or hypocrisy of inclusion. Teaching people or raising awareness for inclusion, actually reinforces discrimination. Educating people on why they should be more inclusive, For example, affirmative action, literally put a racial requirement on practices. It literally made your race more of a qualifying factor then your professional qualifications... and it make everyone even more keenly aware of the fact you are of a different ethnicity. Which can have the adverse effect then it was intended to have.
I will argue, that with the rise of wariness of the transgender community has had a more negative effect on the gay community at large then the it has helped the transgenders. And if you think making me more aware of their issue is going to make me more inclusive you are wrong. It only highlights to me how very much I am different from them and I how I can never relate to them. I am more confident then ever that its a mental disorder.
I can honestly say, before all this pride BS I was more accepting of them then I am today.
@BeeNee You like to throw around Buzz words, BeeNee? There is no serration in the America.
Split hairs over discrimination/Separation and try as you will to make it sound as if it is more than a false equivalent. Doesn't change my point, nor does it shut down the follow of ideas, because some wants to label things, discrimination, segregation, sexism, mansplaining, feminism, ageism, nepotism, homophobic. what else you got?
I simply asked a question you have failed to answer. If as you suggest, merely the act of teaching individuals about concepts of inclusion reinforces discrimination, than what does segregation do? Segregation is the action or state of setting someone or something apart from others. If there is no intention to include others in certain spaces based on certain criteria, what does that lead to?
Take a college for example. Let's do away with affirmative action, I agree! How do we do that? Blind applications in which no names/affiliations/addresses, etc, are present on said applications. It is presumably then a fair evaluation of a student for admittance. However, that means no donor kids, no automatic athlete admissions, no legacies getting priority. Schools largely won't do this. One cannot complain about affirmative action creating inequalities and not too complain about a kid getting in on legacy alone especially if those affirmative action kids have no historical means of obtaining a legacy to said schools. I point this out to say, everything as usual is unfair to everyone everywhere on all sides. No surprise.
I don't know you and your story, but I do know if people actually sit down with one another and have a chat about all this stuff on a human level, one on one with real people, where you can LISTEN to where someone is coming from and hear them tell their side of things, and their history, one is more likely to understand it better, then just a collection of bullet point news articles and people yelling back and fourth on tv about large concepts related to these issues of inequality, feminism, racism, etc. Not here to try to radically change your POV in a few paragraphs, just putting in a little food for thought.
@BeeNee So you when force inclusion on to society, in away such as affirmative action... you are essentially reinforcing segregation. Because you are defining who is entitled to what based upon a set criterion... which is in and of itself segregation.
The overall college enrollment rate for 18- to 24-year-olds increased from
35 percent in 2000 to 41 percent in 2018. In 2018, the college enrollment rate was
higher for 18- to 24-year-olds who were Asian (59 percent) than for 18- to 24-yearolds who were White (42 percent), Black (37 percent), and Hispanic (36 percent).
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/pdf/coe_cpb.pdf
Whites were 42% but white people make up 75% of the total population. So why are Asians at 59% and Blacks at 37%? Thats more than double of what it should be, and whites would appear by these numbers to be at a disadvantage. There seems to segregation going on.
So, they talk inclusion, but as you look at numbers you start to realize that by "raising awareness" they are actually reinforcing discrimination.
Percentage of blacks in US compared to Whites. Blacks 13.6% and Whites 75.8%
www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045222
Why do blacks account for more that 50% of murder and manslaughter arrests in the United States?
ucr.fbi.gov/.../table-43
But we here all this talk about inclusion and social injustice... and awareness. But if a white is gunned down in the United States by police it doesn't make the news. So social injustice is actually, highlighting the hierocracy of the numbers.
How do you actually expect me to rally against the idea of inclusion or that teaching about equality is in some way bad or discriminatory? I, and nearly 51 percent of the population including your mom, sister, cousin, are the prime beneficiaries of forced inclusion as women. In many sectors of society, the point of inclusion was forced to allow us to attend higher education, work in male dominated spaces, allow home ownership, voting, and participate equally in sports.
You have also mentioned previously that "no segregation exists in the US," but why is that exactly? Its because inclusion/equality had to be forced quite literally with the aid of police and military officers so we as a society are at the place we are now where you can actually say that.
The fear was always that if women such as myself, or minorities were allowed to join the fold, they would destroy it and society along with it, but it's decades on since forced inclusion and its still going because these were baseless fears built on preserving established male dominated power structures and racism, sexism, etc. It's not enough to simply say there are a majority of this people so they should win and have everything because they aren't the only ones contributing to the furthering of society as a whole.
It's absolutely 2023, but this is not theoretical in the least. There are still whole portions of women on this planet who aren't allowed an education or to drive a car or to travel alone without a man's permission. There is still a need for forced inclusion or whatever you want to call it so people can have basic rights OR can at the very least even be allowed to try to fairly compete with others for jobs, education, political power in the first place. I mean, what next, you'll be saying something like sexism doesn't exist in 2023 because women can vote! That's not how that works. There are still plenty of companies who don't hire women for no other reason then they are women. I used to work for one of these. A group of women who'd applied for CEO jobs, managerial jobs, etc proved without a shadow of a doubt that they who were more qualified for the jobs at the top were unequivocally passed over for a male counterpart with less experience, training, and education despite the job criteria. This isn't 1960. This very much still happens. Anyway, as I said, I'm clearly not going to change any minds in a few paragraphs. You will continue to think what you'd like as will everyone else about everything in the world. Thanks for the conversation.
@BeeNee Yeah, I am limiting my scope to the USA... I do not have the emotional capacity to shed a tear for all the women in the world. Because I served 22 years in the military with 6 combat tours, so in that regard I have done so much for the "women of the world"... like that's the only true way to force anything, and as someone who had lived in war and through war, I do not advocate for war.
Sexism does exist in 2023 and men are as much a victim of it as woman... but nobody sheds a tear for men. I do not believe American companies in the USA don't hire a woman just because she is a woman. It's not excuse and convenient to belief... because then woman don't have to take any responsibility for themselves, they can just blame "The Man" and that is bullshit.
Your so locked in on what you see that you can't see it any more. Look back to the 1920's in America... to 100 years later... lets celebrate the progress and the role men have played in that process.
I have never found 'diversity, equity and inclusion' to be positive, every time I have found it to be divisive and has caused more problems than it solved,
The Intersectional/Identitarian crowd are the ones pushing 'diversity, equity and inclusion' and are using it as a tool to break the populous into tribes, Black, Asian, White etc.
This helps none but The I/I crowd, while limiting any cross group communication that would be able to resolve problems at a local level.
The Intersectional/Identitarian Woke are using the old divide and conquer to stop anyone clearly see what they are doing while aided by leftists and Democrat/RINO Politicians and the MSM, it is time for voters to take a long hard look at those they have voted into office to represent them and see if they are doing anything productive that makes the voters lives easier or are those representatives only doing what they can to feather their own nests.
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DEI perpetuates racism and divisiveness.
I went to a high school that was engineered to be diverse. Its namesake wanted people of all walks of life to have the extraordinary opportunities he had in school and so literally, there was 15% of this race, 15% of that, and so fourth. My school was essentially the United Nations with just about everyone represented. When you walked down the main corridor, you would see your home countries flag as anyone could request theirs be put up if it wasn't already. In the four years I was there, there was no fighting, no racial issues, nothing like that unless it flew under the radar somewhere deep.
I feel so privileged to have gone to this school because I was exposed to so many different people who have now been my friends going on 26 years now. We would often be in the quad furiously debating this or that subject or discussing travel or religion or what its like growing up under this or that type of parent from this or that culture. So much of our lives is us being taught to fear one another---you can't get along, their food is weird, their dress is weird, their religion is evil and on and on, but I found none of that here. My friends were very open about wanting to invite people in and share their culture and their life stories.
I went to so many friends houses and cultural celebrations and later on cross cultural friends weddings. A lot of people who graduated from this school said the same thing, that never in their lives had they ever felt more accepted and treated like human beings, then going to this school. I think when you get young people to see this at a young age, that people are just people, you don't have a lot of the issues that adults tend to have because they've never met anyone who is different from them or they just accept stereotypes and racism as the norm.
Negative... But that's the entire point. Fabian Socialists that drive this sort of social action believe in "painless voluntary euthanasia" for "people for whom there is no hope of a happy fulfilled life". In order to get the majority to go along with a plan for a genocide, you first need to dehumanize a group. What better way to dehumanize a group than to take a minority group who historically has used public assistance more than every other group, who has very high rates of both poverty and violent crime, etc. and convince them that they are superior to the majority group that is has greater numbers, more military training, and is better financially equipped. If that minority group that has been tolerated by the majority for decades, all the sudden discriminates harshly against the majority, all the sudden the tolerance fades, and a genocide seems more palatable among the masses. The idea is to allow the minority to behave badly, so that everyone can see it on public display. Did that minority group refuse to act poorly and say, no we're all equal in America, I love this country? Nope, they took the bait hook line and sinker... For some reason they think those people that funded them are on their side... Crazy as hell.
Very negative in how they try to force all theses mutually exclusive concepts together.
Diversity means to have many differences.
This is at odds with inclusion because if you have differences you nessarly need to be excluded based upon those differences.
Equity is defined "The state or quality of being just and fair".
Obviously everyone has their own view of what is "just and fair" thus is the whole reason we have courts and laws in the first place.
Of course a lot of the people who fail to recognize the contradiction between diversity and inclusion, also fail to recognize that other people have other ideas of "justice and fairness".
Sometimes they have an entirely different ideas of "Equity" which amounts to you giving them your money.
So far negative, but they haven't even started...
We have not had sufficient numbers of southern white red necks or appalacian hillbillies move into the big cities, take up jobs in the schools, media, or corporate board rooms... so these so called diversity boards are nothing of the sort. And how many Trumpers are on those boards? See, my point exactly. Until that happens, you just won't get a fair diversity, what you get is a bunch of people on one side that feel good being with people they like.
I'm disgusted that Target is not celebrating farmer month, the people that feed us. Can you imagine seeing sweet potatoes or kale on babies outfits instead of gay pride stuff? Gee... that actually make sense wouldn't it? Shouldn't overalls be sold in such stores with appropriate branding for john deere or kubota? yes they should... remember... diversity, inclusion!!
It's SEVERELY fucking up society!
Here's an example for you, Kamel Hairs!! Worst VP we've ever had!! A diversity hire!! Kitanji Brown, don't know her hole from an ass in the ground and she wants to be a JUDGE? DIVERSITY HIRE!! Pete Booty-judge!! Doesn't know SHIT about how to do what he was selected to do!! DIVERSITY HIRE!! (Looks like a cross between Alfred E. Neuman and Lee Oswald!!) Whoopi Goldberg!! Just sits on her fat ass getting fatter and fatter and spews all kinds of pointless unproven garbage all day long!! DIVERSITY HIRE!! Cringe-on Pierre!! Bitch can't answer a SINGLE FUCKING QUESTION posed to her unless the answer is a VERY obvious flat out LIE!! DIVERSITY HIRE!!
My reconstructive plastic surgeon was black. (Is? I dunno... been a while and he's old not sure if he's still around). His #1, whatever they're called was half black. The other 18-20 people were white. That's 7.5%, less than representative of the black/white population dynamic. I didn't pick him because he was black, I picked him because he was world renown and I could afford him. I couldn't give two bags of tepid shite what color a person is. Ever. It's boring. I want my gunner providing overwatch to be a crack shot, not be there because of what he looks like. We all wear green, we all bleed red. Those are the only colors we care about.
Well those and red, white, and blue...
Diversity must come naturally, if it is forced it will be a negative result. You will employ less suitable people and how you look on the outside isn't the most important diversity it's how you think and process things. It's here we have the least tolerance and diversity in the work place.
Very negative. Playing sub groups of the population against each other is the cause of most of the division that we are experiencing in America. Giving farmers economic help but only giving farmers of color the money and excluding the rest creates anger and distrust. Hiring people according to race instead of merit causes more division. It also causes inefficiencies if companies have to hire people that are incompetent just to fill a quota.
Having been forced out of my industry due to not being a “diverse” person and seeing the next generation of my family facing open discrimination for the sake of “equity,” I say to hell with DEI and the elites that peddle it. It’s legalized racism.
It does a lot more harm than good. It judges people on their race and gender. Look at Kamala Harris, Sandra Jackson, other people President Bidet has picked based on their race and gender. In fact, he said “I will only nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court.” If that’s not racist and sexist, I don’t know what is.
well for one america has never been NOT diverse, from the 15th when europeans discovered it, there were natives, then when slavery became more widespread, Africans were there and majorly contributed to the economy, and then from the 18th/19th century south americans and Asians arrived also for economic opportunities so diversity has helped the American economy a lot
diversity, equity and inclusion made United States of America. While the whole world went to war twice, USA was a refuge.
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door! The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation, Inc."
Diversity, equity, inclusion is just code for anti-white hatred. If minorities feel like they're so oppressed in the United States, I would gladly encourage them to go back to where they came from.
A bit of both. Positive in that it has forced bigots to face the reality that their stereotypes are often idiotic. Negative in that it has sometimes displaced more qualified people solely because they did not fit the right demographic.
And please do not ask, as I am not sure what the solution is.
The examples are all over the news, starting with Bud Light.
Diversity has mostly been a positive; prioritizing diversity has pretty unambiguously been negative. After all, discriminating in a socially popular way is still discriminating. Meritocracy should be the goal, not diversity.
And just had both positive and negative effects. The positive effects have included things like including members of groups that would otherwise have been excluded and raising public awareness of some issues that previously would have been ignored. Negative effects have included excessive reliance on inclusion and diversity when these things are inappropriate.
Diversity, Equity & Inclusion = DEI, which literally is Latin for “gods”. It’s not about equality. It’s a cult that’s making its way through every portion of our society like a cancer and the end result is not a utopia for 99.9% of us.
its all about money. they want more and they want to steal it from them. I mean.. global warming will happen more and entire world will be under water so no one will fight anymore. I heard it from time traveler. when that happen though robots will work so no one has to work. there will be no money no bank so everyone will be happy.
I know all about the so-called Philadelphia Experiment. It was a (purely fictional) story that took on a life of its own back in the 1950's when it was first discussed, the source of the story being a certain Carl Allen (a. k. a. Carlos Allende) who allegedly witnessed the disappearance of the U. S. S. Eldridge (DE 173) in 1943 from the S. S. Andrew Furuseth.
Would you like to know what it really was all about? Degaussing. Yes, that's it. Demagnetisation of a ship in order to make the ship "invisible" to magnetic mines. It had nothing to do with Einstein, aliens, optical invisibility, time travel, or anything else of that nature.
I should probably write a MyTake on this, because lately I've been encountering this subject on GAG a lot for some reason.
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