Do you think the LGBTQ+ community will go the route of feminism if they get what they want?

[SolitarySolace]

If the LGBT community gets what they want, gender-affirming care, protections for trans people, and overwhelming discussion on sexual orientation and gender identity, do you think they’ll go the route of feminism where they’ll keep wanting more?

Yes. It happened with feminism, it’ll definitely happen with the LGBTQ+ community

No, that’s ridiculous. Feminism currently doesn’t want more than they did apart from voting rights and women in the workplace. The LGBT won’t either.

[DextroShade]

It's already happened. Just as feminism went from "We want to be able to work and vote" to "#killallmen, men are trash, I don't need no man, we should be to have men jailed or their lives ruined based on our word alone" the LGBT went from "we want to be able to get married and not be discriminated against" to "we demand the right to put on sexual performances for kids, pump them full of hormones, and castrate them. Also, not using the pronoun I invented for myself is an act of violence and you should go to jail you bigot!"

I support gay marriage but now it seems like they are a week away from adding Pedophiles to their alphabet.

[genericname85]

you mean the route of drifting into obscurity, cause nobody cares about the very few extremists who still didn't get the message that they've fallen for fascist ideas?

[SolitarySolace]

Would be nice if they faded into obscurity like you suggest, but that’s not what’s happening.

[genericname85]

well good news. unlike feminism, this movement is biologically bound to die out. simply because of the fact that they can not procreate. so they will be the last generation of this nonsense.

[genericname85]

like if you're a soyboy simp fucking a feminist, there's gonna be offspring who's as dumb as you are. but if you're a man fucking another man claiming to be a woman, there's not gonna be children.

[SolitarySolace]

True

[WalnutButter]

The people pushing this are communists. Communists divide and conquer. They got you to ask this question. It worked.

[SolitarySolace]

So the mere idea of having a conversation about something means they’re getting what they want? How else is one supposed to expose immoralities and the like without discussing it?

[WalnutButter]

Ask the question, but back it up with a strong opinion. Why didn't you do that?
I think the LGBTQ+ movement is retarded.

[WalnutButter]

@loveslongnails

I will always delete your comments. You're an asshole. Do you understand that? Do you want me to spell it out for you? Will you be classy and go away, or should I block you?

[WalnutButter]

Now you're blocked.

[John_Doesnt]

Actual feminists don't want more and there is a huge division among the LGB community and the T. A lot of gays want to get a divorce from the trans community because they're causing just as much harm with their anti-science views. Every single movement in history has gone overboard with their demands. But eventually things even out.

[DextroShade]

The Ts are now turning on the L and G by saying for example that a lesbian who won't suck a transwomans dick is a hateful bigot. For the woke the only acceptable sexual orientation is pansexual.

[loveslongnails]

" gender-affirming care" - Do you know what that means? If so, tell me.

" protections for trans people" - Like what? What exactly do you mean by "protections"? Do you mean they shouldn't be forced to detransition? Do you mean they should be treated like any other human being? Do you mean they should not be rounded up and put into concentration camps. Tell me what you mean?

"Overwhelming discussion on sexual orientation and gender identity" - they don't want that. That's disinformation. They'd prefer if you actually understood their situation and didn't want to cancel them, but lacking that understanding, they'd be fine with being left alone until you did.

[DextroShade]

"Gender-affirming care" means injecting children with so-called "puberty blockers" that are actually chemical castration drugs that were used on sex offenders, followed by cross-sex hormones that cause permanent harms such as infertility and various health problems such as osteoporosis.

"Protections for trans people" usually means getting people fired from their jobs or, in some countries like Canada, thrown in jail for using the "wrong" pronouns.

The LGBs wanted to be left alone, the Ts demand that everyone else participate in their lifestyle.

[loveslongnails]

@DextroShade People need to read something from the scientific community on the subject. Gender affirming care is a much broader term that applies to a wide range of treatments, including counseling, not just drugs and certainly not surgeries like Fox News is talking about.
www.mayoclinic.org/.../art-20459075

Protections that you described are a good thing.

"The LGBs wanted to be left alone" - Yes, they do but with basic human rights.

"the Ts demand that everyone else participate in their lifestyle." - That's total horseshit. Your conjecture is that TS people are demanding EVERYONE else become TS? Bullshit. TS people struggle most every minute of every day JUST to be accepted as a human being by those around them. If anyone has taken the time to talk with someone who is TS, one of their biggest anxieties is when to disclose to someone who doesn't appear to know.

Most that I know want to interact with heteros as would other heteros, not to make them be trans as well. They just don't want to be persecuted; not mentally, emotionally, socially and certainly not legally. So bottom line, if you can accept their choice, do it. If you can't, leave them alone and stop spreading the lie they want to indoctrinate kids or anyone else to "be like them".

[SolitarySolace]

@loveslongnails,

Yes, transgenders do want us to live in their lifestyle. Otherwise why would they label us as Cis-Het? They don’t need to label us. We don’t want to be a part of their lifestyle.

[loveslongnails]

Nonsense. Who cares about the label and why would you? Do you prefer "straight heterosexual". NO transgenders are asking you to part of what works for them. Your comments BEG the question - what the heck are you so damn afraid of? You're talking about less than 1.5% of the population. No one is indoctrinating you, except to learn how to hate and be more ignorant. Give it a rest, dude.

[SolitarySolace]

Apparently I have nothing to worry about because less companies are changing their logos for “Pride” month www.msn.com/.../ar-AA1c52fl?ocid=sapphireappshare

[loveslongnails]

Fearful cowards worried about their bottom line. Instead of trying to attract the 1.5% to be consumers, now they're worried about losing a much greater majority of consumers. Fear driven "capitalism" at its finest.

[DextroShade]

No one is banning counseling for gender-confused youth, just dangerous irreversible puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries.

They demand every one participate by affirming their delusions in ways such as using their made-up pronouns and calling people who refuse to date them bigots, as had happened to many lesbians who won't date transwomen. People are also being forced to celebrate it through all this pride-themed stuff that must participate in or face retaliation.

I seriously cannot tell if you are ignorant or disingenuous.

[loveslongnails]

@DextroShade "No one is banning counseling for gender-confused youth, just dangerous irreversible puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries." Baloney. Read the bills. They are constructed to be intentionally vague enough to include counseling. You're being completely naive.

It started out as "protecting children" - from what - operations that don't occur with minors. It progressed to children being removed from parental and PHYSICIANS care as the "state" deems it necessary, ALL the while parroting about a parents' rights to know what is best for their kids. Suddenly, the "state" knows better than 99+% of medical professionals about the whole gender indentification thing? They parade one or two "doctors" and some bogus reports before a 2am session of the State Legislature and ram this shit down everyone's throat?

Now it's spread to imposing the State's will on adults who are transitioned, to re-transition. I can not tell if you are totally ignorant or just blinded by your bias. This is 1933 Germany all over again, dude, and you don't see it.

[loveslongnails]

@DextroShade You don't have to use anyone's pronouns. I don't. I call them by their name instead of their pronouns, even if it sounds awkward in speech. Other than that, they demand nothing of you except to live their lives. Seriously, why the HELL do you "really care" if lesbians won't date trans women? How the F does that affect your life, or society as a whole?

News flash - that's the lesbian's choice. If they only want to date natural born females with vaginas, that's their CHOICE. Who cares if that bothers a trans female, or if that trans female cries foul? It was their choice to become trans, and deal with the consequences.

Lastly, it's a one in a million occurence that a company, corporation or business even TRIES forcing employees to partake in "pride" activities or promote them. As far as I know, that's still illegal and it's under more backlash now than ever.

Again, individually speaking - NO ONE is forcing YOU personally to do a damn thing about supporting LGBTQ+ lifestyles or celebrations, except if you consider not eradicating them as human beings to equate with support. Your Newsmax style statements, i. e. " People are also being forced to celebrate it through all this pride-themed stuff that must participate in or face retaliation" is simply untrue and misleading at best. In the extremely rare case that it occurs, it's illegal.

[DextroShade]

You are completely wrong, the bulls explicitly banned puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgeries on minors. Operations have occurred on minors with 14 year-old girls getting double mastectomies and numerous cases of teenage boys being chemically castrated by puberty blockers such as Lupron to the point that they will never develop funtional genitals or ever achieve orgasm. Vanderbilt Hospital was caught on video bragging about how much money these surgeries would bring in from things like the lifelong follow up care and high rates of complications involved. Your comparison to Nazi Germany was very apt in that these sorts of procedures performed under the guise of "gender-affirming care" would not be out of place in Mengele's experiments. What you don't see is that your side is much more like the Nazis than mine is.

[loveslongnails]

@DextroShade The EXTREME rarity of such operations WITH PARENTAL PERMISSION is far outside of anything that would even approach "common". At worst, the problem would be a) with the parents and b) with the attending physician. If you want to require a further review by additional doctors and medical boards before allowing such a rare procedure, that's fine by me. But the language of these bills lumps all treatments together, including counseling.

You, the layman, have zero idea what goes on with teen-agers who experience these things. Nor do you seem to acknowledge anything about new genetic and hormonal information is being discovered causing these issues. Taking the CARE of these kids OUT of the hands of parents and doctors and announcing that "We, the State, know better" is ridiculous since they, the State, rely SOLELY on those exact same Medical Professionals for guidance and recommendations in EVERY other area.

[loveslongnails]

@DextroShade " What you don't see is that your side is much more like the Nazis than mine is." No sir, for the simple reason that whether they regret their choice or not, it was THEIR choice in the extremely rare case when it happens in minors. You seem to think ANY decisions in this vane are reckless by all accounts and MUST be managed the State. This is where you're uninformed, as you seem to be about the mental state of people going through all this.

"My side" says "let the parents and doctors decide, just like we do with EVERY OTHER medical condition. "Your side" says, " No, we know better about THIS particular thing, because we say so. We don't care about suicides, that's your job to prevent that."

* And it's YOUR SIDE that has forced women to put their own lives at risk to carry pregnancies to full term when it was KNOWN months prior that there was NO CHANCE the child could survive!!

* It's YOUR side that has put doctors into the position of making decisions to care for pregnant women based on the fear of legal ramifications, rather than their oath to preserve life based on evidence based care. Even in states with "suppossed" exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, doctors are unwilling to risk their licenses and have told women to "come back when your life is in crisis", as was the case recently in Oklahoma.

* It's YOUR SIDE that is forcing maternity units, especially in rural areas, to close and OBGYN's to leave red states or change their specialty.

Tell me again how YOUR SIDE is "doing all this to protect kids, and pregnant women".

[DextroShade]

We aren't talking about abortions so miss me with that shit because I am pro-abortion. As for your earlier point, we legally forbid children from doing all sorts of things for their own good: they aren't allowed to drink, smoke, work, sign contracts, consent to sex, join the military, get tattoos, or own firearms but despite all that for some fucked reason you think that they should be able to decide to PERMANENTLY alter their own bodies with often disastrous consequences, usually the loss of the ability to have their own children in the future. You literally think that someone too young to get a tattoo is old enough to get their body parts removed. That is just sick, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[loveslongnails]

@DextroShade Hey schmuck, pay attention. I mean it, pay fucking attention. I NEVER, EVER said a MINOR should have absolute freedom to permanently alter their bodies!! Never said it. If you could read and comprehend what you read, you'd see that I said it should be parental and medical decisions. The LAW as it is currently written in some states does not specify age, but speaks to maturity, but that's another story.

So stop putting words in my mouth and using it to fit your narrative, dude. My BIG point is it should be up to the PARENTS and the DOCTORS, and not Ron fucking DeSantis or the god damn state! Pay attention.

[Soteris]

... I mean, I would hope so. What part of wanting more protection for civil liberties is a bad thing?

"Oh noes! Our overzealous civil rights movement has made us TOO EQUAL and SAFE!!! Whatever shall we do? We are dooooomed!!!"

[Sasahara]

That depends on how you define the community. Your average gay person, no. SJWs, heck yeah, thats what they do.

[BarryLiverstone]

Some will and some will not. Do you see the diverse community as a monolith?

[SolitarySolace]

Well, they do get a whole month while veterans and those who died for our freedoms only get a single day…

[BarryLiverstone]

Some vets are a part of the community as well. So I’m not quite getting your point. Do you believe only cisgender people have been in the military?

[SolitarySolace]

Majority of them are normal straight. I don’t use the word cis, it’s insulting.

[BarryLiverstone]

Cis isn’t insulting and what makes someone normal?

[SolitarySolace]

It is insulting because it allows for the implication that men aren’t men and women aren’t women but men who think they’re women are women and women who think they’re men are men. It’s not normal.

[BarryLiverstone]

Cisgender : denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender.
"this newfound attention to the plight of black trans folks by primarily cisgender allies is timely and necessary"

I asked what is normal. Nothing in that definition insults someone

[SolitarySolace]

Why does everyone else have to change in order to make a minority feel accepted? That’s why it’s insulting.

[SolitarySolace]

Why can’t they just BE without having to make everyone else change to meet their wants and needs.

[BarryLiverstone]

You don’t have to change if you don’t wanna be part of the progress. You can leave society and live on your own. I’d rather just be respectful to people.

How are you required to change based on this topic?

[SolitarySolace]

So I have to either change from being the normal straight individual to being considered “cisgendered” in order to appease the trans people or become an outlaw and live apart from society? That’s sounds fucked up.

[SolitarySolace]

Doesn’t sound respectful to me at all.

[BarryLiverstone]

If it’s just about what you are called, keep calling yourself straight. Others will say cis. Language evolves, doesn’t it?

[SolitarySolace]

So that’s allowed but we get flagged for misgendering? Why can’t they just be called one thing but not actually BE it? Rules for the, not for me anyone?

[BarryLiverstone]

I just said if you want to identify as being straight then do it. But when I said you are cis you are the one who raised the flag as I “misgendered”.

Anyway seems like we are going away from the original question that you asked but the reality is it’s 2023 and this isn’t going to just go away. Let’s be kind to others.

[SolitarySolace]

Kindness and manipulation are two very different things. I don’t trust trans the same way I don’t trust women. Besides they, trans, make me overwhelmingly uncomfortable. Especially with their association with satanism. Hide behind a want for kindness all you want but that there will not be

[BarryLiverstone]

You do you bro. If you don’t trust trans and you don’t trust women I’m guessing your opportunity to trust people is less than 25% of the population once you add others groups. I’m not hiding, and I’ve been good faith so far

[SolitarySolace]

Is part of your good faith eventually going to put businesses like target and bud light out of business? 😂

[BarryLiverstone]

Absolutely not. I don’t have that kinda power. Plus as a capitalist it’s about supply and demand

[SolitarySolace]

You obviously support the trans movement and businesses who support them are having a pretty shitty go of things. 😂

[BarryLiverstone]

I disagree. You are only cherry-picking businesses now. I’d say these are not having a shitty go:

Cargill, CVS, Kellogg, Warner Media, Amazon, American Airlines, Apple, AT&T, Microsoft, Salesforce, Unilever, others

[SolitarySolace]

That’s because they’re not being boycotted for selling an agenda that people don’t agree with