Whta do you think of this Federal court ruling?

[msc545]

A federal judge in Tennessee has ruled that a state law limiting public drag show performances represented an “unconstitutional restriction on the freedom of speech.”

“As a matter of text alone, the (Adult Entertainment Act) is a content, and viewpoint-based restriction on speech. The AEA was passed for the impermissible purpose of chilling constitutionally-protected speech,” US District Court Judge Thomas Parker, an appointee of former President Donald Trump, said in a 70-page late-Friday ruling.

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Everyone keeps alleging "Psuychological harm" to kids if they see a drag show. I would like to hear some expert opinions about this, actually, rather than rely on the opinions of politicians.

[Lliam]

The kids didn't ask for these drag shows. The parents didn't ask for these drag shows. There is a reason why school children are being introduced to this bizarre behavior. It's to start grooming them into the LGBTQ lifestyle as early as possible, while their minds are still developing. And it's working.

Why are schools doing this? Because they get paid if they do and they lose government funding if they don't.

Very, very few people suffer from genuine gender dysphoria. Those who do have neither the desire nor the political power to influence schools and government. But certain people with unimaginable wealth and power are trying to create a generation of weak males, limit human reproduction, and tear society apart. They have infiltrated academics, business, the entertainment industry, and captured the media and the Democratic party. It's a massive social engineering program.

They are paying flamboyant cross dressers to make transgenderism look like fun even though few of those cross dressers, if any, are transgender.

How is it that there is a growing epidemic of perfectly normal kids who suddenly question their gender when they hit puberty? Those questions are planted in their heads beginning years earlier. And the "experts" are right there to support them. A boy innocently asks "Do you think I might really be a girl" and the experts immediately insist that he's transgender. His parents are kept out of the loop or threatened if they disagree with the "experts". It's called "gender affirmation", not counseling. And puberty blockers are recommended. So the kids get sterilized for life with drugs and later mutilated under the false promise that they can change genders and that that will cure their insecurities and confusion.
Is that harmful?

If cross dressers just want to entertain people, why don't they go to retirement homes instead of kindergartens? No. This isn't about harmless fun.

[msc545]

@liam Being gay is not a "lifestyle" and is not something people choose.

What is your assertion regarding the frequency of gender dysphoria based on?

[Lliam]

@msc545Why are you confusing gay and trans?

[msc545]

most trans people are gay.

[Lliam]

@msc545. And they'll figure that out on their own in time. But they don't need encouragement. Impressionable, prepubescent children don't need schools to teach them how to have gay sex and they don't need schools to make flamboyant homosexuality, cross dressing, etc. look appealing, cool and fun.

But my original comment was about transsexuality. And I made a case for why it is extremely harmful.

I disagree that genuine gender dysphoria is the same as homosexuality What I do agree with is that kids who are gay are more easily manipulated into wanting to modify their bodies to look like the opposite sex. And kids are naive enough to believe that it's actually possible to turn into the opposite sex through mad science.

For example, a boy who is sexually attracted to men might think it's advantageous to look like a woman so that he will be more appealing to straight men.

[msc545]

What do you think gender dysphoria is?

[msc545]

What is your assertion about the frequency of gender dysphoria based on.

[Lliam]

It's when someone has always felt like they were the opposite gender and felt uncomfortable in their body.

[goaded]

Thank goodness for some sanity among the madness. They're just the latest out-group the right can engender "righteous" anger against in their supporters.

It used to be "the Gays", "the Blacks", and "the Jews", but it disappointingly turned out they were all regular people. Of course, the core still hate them (a Florida Republican state legislator recently said in public and on camera how much better the US is than the Taliban, “Our terrorist enemies hate homosexuals more than we do.”).

[goaded]

There are multiple people in British Christmas pantomimes who cross-dress, it's been going on for centuries without turning all the kids that make up half the audience gay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7KxO8VhxpA

[Anonymous]

Banning everything you all don't like is violating all sorts of freedoms Republicans allege to be in favor of.

[Anonymous]

Well as long as you have the choice not to bring your kids or have your kids not attend a show at school

[OlderAndWiser]

I am not familiar with the statute that was challenged, for restrictions on the First Amendment must be very narrowly drawn to minimize the impact of freedom of expression. Ironically, the people who will cheer this decision want to impeach judges who strike down statutes restricting Second Amendment rights.

[OlderAndWiser]

I should also add that it is not merely the act of seeing a drag queen that poses potential harm. There is a great amount of messaging that overlays these events and that also poses potential harm.

[msc545]

Unlimited, unfettered access to guns is unfortunately killing a lot of people. It seems to me that at least some people have a valid interest in at least limiting this.

[msc545]

@OlderAndWiser what messaging and in what form?

[OlderAndWiser]

The message is that marginal behavior should be viewed as normal and as desirable as any other behavior. I believe in tolerance of alternate choices but I don’t think they should be promoted with an apparent stamp of approval.

[msc545]

"Marginal" is a matter of judgment and taste.

[OlderAndWiser]

Yes. I believe my position on that would be the position of a big majority of parents.

[msc545]

When about 10% of the population is doing "marginal" behavior it is no longer marginal. The position of a majority of parents, if it is, is irrelevant.

[OlderAndWiser]

The belief that the majority is irrelevant is what defines the left. It is their judgment and taste, not an indisputable truth.

[msc545]

The majority can be wrong and in this case is.

[OlderAndWiser]

On this issue, there is no objective right or wrong. These are beliefs, based upon values and assumptions. Insisting that you are indisputably right doesn't prove that you are right; it merely proves a lack of objectivity.

[msc545]

I was not insisting I was right any more than you were.

[OlderAndWiser]

"When about 10% of the population is doing "marginal" behavior it is no longer marginal. The position of a majority of parents, if it is, is irrelevant."

[msc545]

That does not imply that I believed I was right regarding the original question.

[najekim]

We have been at both "family-friendly" drag shows & "adult" drag show. While both are entertaining, the family orientated is PG at worse since that is what the performers are aiming for. The performers are not there to "promote" people into the lifestyle or business. They are there to entertain. But if people have questions, most performers are willing to answer after the show.

[Anonymous]

Sure, its fine as long as children aren't involved.

[msc545]

why?

[slatyb]

Slam dunk decision. The first amendment protects people's right to dress pretty much as they please.

[DermalPunch]

I don't have any expert opinion. I don't need one. That shit is plain disgusting. Men cartwheelkng in thongs? What the FUCK does that have to do with tolerance? Get the actual fuck out of here. I never curse in here but uh uh.

[msc545]

@dermalpunchI understand you dislike it, but that does not mean you get to infringe on the right of others.

[DermalPunch]

What about my rights? They are putting this stuff in school curriculums.

[msc545]

So this should all be restricted or eliminated because you don't like it?

[msc545]

As far as I know, you weren't going to be personally attending these schools, right?

[DermalPunch]

It should be eliminated because it goes against nature. No species on the planet works against its own basic survival except humans. It's wrong. That's why I left the Western Hemisphere.

[msc545]

Sure ok. I had no idea you were in personal communication with nature.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Children should not be involved with any of this stuff.

[msc545]

ok, why not?

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Cause if I had kids, I wouldn't prefer for them to see drag shit, just the difference in people.

[kuffs]

The biggest thing is the kids. a lot of these “innocent” drag shows are doing things with kids there. That is crossing the line. Do what you want but don’t let underage kids see it. Why can’t people understand that.

[msc545]

How do drag shows harm kids?

[kuffs]

Some of the shows are simulating sex acts and other things that are inappropriate for children to see. If you can’t talk about some of the show on YouTube or in a school board meeting then it’s inappropriate for kids to see. Its grooming.

[kuffs]

Check out Bill Maher with guest the Governor of Virginia, Winsome Earle-Sears this year.

[kuffs]

I don’t want your question to get blocked so I won’t describe what some of these shows do. But here is the words to Bill from Gov Winsome Earle-Sears on that episode. “When Bill expressed doubt that such a thing had ever happened, she countered with disdain, “You should get out of the house more, Bill.”

[msc545]

Which shows are simulating sex acts and how does seeing a simulated sex act harm children? What are the "other things" and which shows are doing the "other things"?

[kuffs]

How do you think a graphic simulated sex act like a adult dry humping a minor with a big dildo does not disturb a child? I don’t go to those things. I personally don’t like drag. Some shows like what use to be popular in the past here in the US or the fun like they do in the Philippines on tv is ok by me just as long as I don’t watch it. I heard about what the left is doing now on Youtube from Timcast and on a clip from Bill Maher. Maybe you should go to google and look it up.

[msc545]

How do YOU think it disturbs a child?

[kuffs]

I am not a expert. I do listen to them though. For decades the children psychologists and psychiatrists have said that subjecting minors to those things as minors was child abuse. People have went to jail for doing that and showing that content to children. Children have grown up to adults who do horrible things and/or were severely traumatized by seeing those things as minors.

[msc545]

link to some sources for your contentions, please.

[kuffs]

https://youtu.be/IHFsWlVf1Gw

[msc545]

Thanks for posting this but I don't think politicians are knowledgable or reliable sources. How about some Psychologists or Psychiatrists? Maybe some research studies?

[kuffs]

Why don’t you do your own research.

Is the NIH good enough?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7147756/

“Exposure to sexually explicit media in early adolescence is related to risky sexual behavior in emerging adulthood”

[msc545]

That is more like it - but have a look at the background material from the abstract:

"Sexually explicit media exposure during early adolescence has been found to be associated with risky sexual behavior. However, previous study suffered from methodological issue, such as selection bias. Furthermore, little is known about the effect of multi-modality sexually explicit media exposure on risky sexual behavior, and how this relationship can be applied to non-western societies.

[msc545]

Unfortunately, that makes any conclusions very questionable

[kuffs]

Well. My mind is made up. Drag as a whole are ok for some but the shows that involve explicit material to minors is very wrong.
You need to do your own research to help make your mind up like the rest of us have to do. Don’t take the first article though. There is tons of misinformation out there.

[kuffs]

Thank you @Lliam. I agree too.

[msc545]

@Lliam The question was "What do you think of this federal court ruling"? It was not "is this right or wrong". Your response leaves a bit to be desired.

[Lliam]

@msc545. I didn't read the language of the bill or the ruling.
I read your responses to people when you repeatedly asked how drag shows harmed kids and I gave my opinion on that.

[msc545]

@Lliam You did not provide an answer. You just expressed your anger.

[AngryCarl2]

It depends on how the law limits performances. The artists have an absolute right to perform but there might reasonably be limitations on where they can do it.

[exitseven]

just another assault on decency and sanity by a liberal judge. In 20 years we will have a nation of pedophiles.

[msc545]

We have a Bill of Rights in case you had not noticed. The Judge was a Trump appointee.

[exitseven]

still it is not appropriate. I get that it is a first amendment issue. I can remember when most porn was illegal and people actually got arrested for publishing it. You could not buy porn an anyplace but some place in the X rated district of the city. Now everyone has access to all kinds of porn on the internet. I don;t think it has really made society any better.

[msc545]

How is it "inappropriate" ? We are not talking about porn here.

[exitseven]

we are normalizing behavior that should be just for adults. you are in the biz, you know what's going on here.

[msc545]

I am in the biz which is why I am asking questions. Why should it be "just for adults" ?

[exitseven]

because kids need to be kids. I knew kids that were brought up in sexuaized environments and they turned out weird. Would you want your own kids exposed to this stuff?

[msc545]

How does this keep kids from being kids?

[exitseven]

kids do not need to be made to think that this is normal behavior. I caught my 12 year old son showing a porn tape his 9 year old brother. I confiscated the tape and told the both of them that this was not really how relationships were. We had a discussion about it and I think they felt better about it afterwards. Porn and other stuff that is not normal I think is a little frightening to kids.

[DextroShade]

These groomers will fight tooth and nail to put on sexual performances in front of kids, it's sick.

[KrakenAttackin]

Why do people in drag want access to children?

[msc545]

not sure. Good question.

[msc545]

I am not sure they do want that access, but...