Would you be friends with someone who identified as non-binary and used they/them pronouns?

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't. I don't agree with that lifestyle.

I would

I wouldn't

[Thatpearl26]

It depends some are just confused and they are actually great people. Then to also maintain friendships you have to be accepting of different kinds of people.

My motto is “I can believe what I want and you can believe what you want. Let’s not let that ruin what could be a great friendship.” That friend doesn’t make me use the pronouns she chose. Instead I told her I was more comfortable just using her name. She didn’t mind. Of course on this site I’m using her actual biological pronouns. Because how in the hell is she gonna find out.

We have an unspoken agreement not to bring up our own political views as they tend to start arguments between us. Overall she’s a great and energetic person to be around.

[virtualwasp]

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[BlackJeep]

I am a he and I only want a she. I don't even know wtf a they is

[Anonymous]

Nope. I worked with someone who flipped back and forth daily between a man and a woman. You never knew who you were talking to until you said something wrong.

[reds-noro]

That's genderfluid, not non-binary.

[Opinion Owner]

@reds-noro

Can we all be gender fluid?

[reds-noro]

Nope, you are or you are not. It's not up to anyone to decide. That's how these things go.

You are a woman, right?

[Opinion Owner]

@reds-noro

No, I am fluid. So now in my prison work, I no longer have to do pat searches or take people into a closet to watch them pee. Thank you for that.

[reds-noro]

You are very confusing.

[Opinion Owner]

@reds-noro

Have you ever had a job?

[reds-noro]

Yes.

[Opinion Owner]

@reds-noro

I now agree with things I don't agree with. The debate is over. You won. I will now just agree, so I can be loved.

[reds-noro]

Have fun I guess.

[EmmaMary]

I think I would find that extremely difficult indeed.

[claudia32]

I would because they are still humans and ofc they have feelings and I am not going to change them if they feel that way

[Nikki1989]

I am not triggered by words. I would just ignore it.

[Anonymous]

No, because their entire identity is make-believe and have no reason to have such an identity other than for attention.

[reds-noro]

Tell that to the people that commit suicide because of hateful people like you.

[Opinion Owner]

@reds-noro It is sad to see that happen to people who believe this stuff.

I guarantee you if we ever find ourselves bombed back to the stone age, their gender is going to be one of the last things they will ever think about. Our lives today are so comfortable that we have to make up conflicts like this to make our lives more interesting. The entire concept of gender has never been scientifically proven so their belief in something like this is no more different than having a religion.

[reds-noro]

Not feeling (entirely) like a man nor a woman is literally all it takes to be non-binary. How are 'man' and 'woman' established? Society. Identifying with social characteristics of both or neither is all there is to it.
There is no physical science that has a say in this. It's all about social sciences. And simply because it is possible to not identify with all characteristics of 'man' and 'woman' there is no denying that genders don't fit on a binary scale.
How is accepting that simple fact the same as following a religion?

[Opinion Owner]

@reds-noro
>Not feeling (entirely) like a man nor a woman is literally all it takes to be non-binary.

If it's all what you feel then what's the point? Feelings do not determine reality. I can you can "feel" like whatever all you want, it doesn't make it true.
>How are 'man' and 'woman' established?

The difference between a man and a woman was simple, different genitalia, body structure and brain structure. You can tell the difference just by looking at them. Male and female were synonymous becuase nature didn't give a single shit about how you feel or what you identify as. Now our lives have become so peaceful that our brains crave a balance between peace and suffering so it created bogeymen like this.

>Society
No, science did. Studies have shown that the differences in behavior between the two sexes show up around six months of age which is long before the human being in question could have any understanding of societal expectations. The same goes for nonhuman primates like monkeys.

>Identifying with social characteristics of both or neither is all there is to it.

How can you possibly identify with neither? Everyone has a certain combination of masculinity and femininity, males tend to behave more on the masculine side while females tend to behave more on the feminine side but it is never 100% one side.

>There is no physical science that has a say in this. It's all about social sciences.

Then it is complete crap. You are trying to redefine a physical characteristic as a social characteristic as if it is a separate entity and it makes no sense. It can, at most, describe behavioral tendencies but that is all they are and exceptions in this regard do not redefine the rule.

[Opinion Owner]

@reds-noro >And simply because it is possible to not identify with all characteristics of 'man' and 'woman' there is no denying that genders don't fit on a binary scale.

The only thing that is on a spectrum is the variation on masculine and feminine behavior in which one sex tends to behave one way and the other tends to behave the other.

>How is accepting that simple fact the same as following a religion?

Because you are basing your reality on blind faith that what random people on the internet told you is true and is a concept that has never been proven. People have tried and failed.

[reds-noro]

I would first like to say that you are an absolute moron.
Ok, physical sex and gender identity are separate things. Physical sex is all about biology. Gender identity is how you feel. We are talking about a gender identity, not a physical sex. I am talking about IDENTIFYING as a man, woman and everything between. Not physically being one. Non-binary got nothing to do with what you got in your pants.
You need to understand that concept before you should even say a word on the matter.

[Opinion Owner]

@reds-noro
>I would first like to say that you are an absolute moron.

Call me anything you like, I don't give a shit.

>Ok, physical sex and gender identity are separate things. Physical sex is all about biology. Gender identity is how you feel. We are talking about a gender identity, not a physical sex.

I know, you keep telling me this but where is the proof? Like I said, scientist have tried to prove it but couldn't. Look up the David Reimer case.

>I am talking about IDENTIFYING as a man, woman and everything between. Not physically being one. Non-binary got nothing to do with what you got in your pants.

Then what is the point? If there is no benefit in identifying as something other than what you are then why do it? It's not like doing so will make you physically stronger or more intelligent or anything else so why do it?

>You need to understand that concept before you should even say a word on the matter.

That's why I am here because it makes no sense. Feelings do not determine reality. You can identify as anything you can think of but it will never mean anything unless you can actually change into the thing you identify.

[reds-noro]

Your body can be excited, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you are excited. There, proof that there is a separation between body and mind. Body and mind do not always align, plenty of proof for that as well.
And studies have proven that people who identify as non-binary feel significantly happier when they are accepted for who they are. They do not choose to be non-binary. If they could choose, they would've never chosen to be non-binary to begin with (back when it was still barely known to be a thing). Why would someone choose to identify as something when the result is loads of suffering and committing suicide?

[Opinion Owner]

@reds-noro
>Your body can be excited, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you are excited.

So you're telling me that no one has any control over their own actions? That makes no sense. If your body is "excited" (whatever that means) it is becuase your mind is telling it to be. There is always some sort of scientific explanation behind it.

If I have a sudden feeling, like stress, I know what exactly caused it and what I am stressed about. It might be at an odd time but I still know why I am feeling the way I do.

>And studies have proven that people who identify as non-binary feel significantly happier when they are accepted for who they are.

This whole part right here can also be applied to people who have a mental illness. No one wants to have a mental illness and would do anything to make it stop. Do people like hvaing major depression, anorexia or schizophrenia? For course not, this is why we have therapy for it. The last thing you want to do is normalize it.

>Why would someone choose to identify as something when the result is loads of suffering and committing suicide?

This part especially. Calling people who suffer form this "non-binary" is like telling a person with major depression that they are scum, telling an anorexic that they are fat or telling them everything they belive is true (i. e. aliens controlling their thoughts or that they are actually famous).

And the effects of doing this to them are happening before our very eyes. Many of them are killing themselves anyway, it's not because of hatred, not even slaves in the antebellum period nor did the African Americans inder Jim Crow had suicide rates this high. Even Japan, which is infamous for having one of the highest suicide rates in the world, isn't this bad (peaked in 1998-2009 due to being in the worst economic hardships since WW2, 24.5-25 every 100k people).

Now NBC in 2020 said that 2 in 5 LGBT people have considered suicide. This is not natural.

[reds-noro]

It's not a lifestyle.

[reds-noro]

Ha, both our comments got deleted for insulting each other. It's still not a lifestyle. Me being 6' is also not a lifestyle. I just am. Non-binary people just are non-binary. Calling it a lifestyle is just idiotic.

[Asker]

No, it's a choice to live that way. More than 99% of people are either XY or XX. XY = male, XX = female. Those who are legitimately intersex are a different story, but very few if any of the "non-binary" individuals are legitimately intersex.

[reds-noro]

Non-binary has nothing to do with genes and your biological sex. It's your GENDER (not sex) identity. Just like we are women. We can't change it. Neither can non-binary people. If it was an option nobody would choose it. Too much hate from folks like you to justify choosing to be non-binary.

[Asker]

It's a choice to act on those feelings, just like anyone with a strange fetish. A lot of them are just doing it to chase clout because it's the in thing in progressive circles.

No reason they can't suppress the urge just the way we expect adults who are attracted to children to never act on their urges.

[claudia32]

Some adults who are attracted to children DO ACT on their urges and no it’s not a choice to act on those feelings

[reds-noro]

@claudia32 it is a choice to act on those feelings. It is not a choice to be non-binary and not a choice to be attracted to children. But it is a choice to go after children. Just like it is a choice for straight people to act on their urges. The difference is that one is harmless and the other is harmful to children. That's why one is completely fine and the other is not.

Also, (back to you, asker) non-binary is not a fetish. People who are NB do not receive any sexual stimulation for being themselves. And the chasing clout thing... It wouldn't even be considered if hateful people like you didn't hate. But someone who does it for clout is not actually NB, and the majority of people claiming to be NB are actually NB. It's just someone pretending to be NB. Committing suicide is not a good way to chase clout, yet you call people considering suicide 'clout chasers with a fetish'.

[Asker]

It is a choice to act on feelings of being non-binary, too.

[reds-noro]

Yes, that's what I said.
But there is nothing wrong with being non-binary. And acting on those feelings is not a lifestyle. Being a woman is not your nor my lifestyle either.

[Asker]

It is a mental illness.

[reds-noro]

It is not.

[Asker]

100 years ago, people with those urges suppressed it for the greater good of society.

[reds-noro]

100 years ago trans people were finally getting recognition. The first trans clinic was set up and the first transition was performed. 100 years ago the word got out that transgenderism was a real thing. (It was already present in many ancient cultures, but those did not impact our modern society.) People finally started to understand more about gender dysphoria and more people recognized that feeling. But even 100 years ago people suppressed 'those urges' so they would not get shamed, mistreated, beaten and killed by religious people. It was out of self preservation, not the greater good of society. It was because of their own confusion and ignorance, not the greater good of society.

[Asker]

They absolutely should suppress those urges. Society gains absolutely nothing from tolerating gender-divergent lifestyles.

[reds-noro]

So preventing hundreds, if not thousands, of suicides is not beneficial to society? Especially when it costs less energy to tolerate than to hate?

And also, not lifestyles. You being stupid is not a lifestyle either, you just are. And maybe suppress the urge to be stupid. Would do us all good.

[Asker]

It needs to be weighed against the cost of the massive societal and moral degradation that comes from tolerating those lifestyles. If you can't live without pretending to be something that you biologically aren't, is it really a loss anyway?

[reds-noro]

It's not pretending.

[jshm2]

Too much drama in such people.

[gothbxtch]

well yeah obviously

[CallmeTheKnight]

No because I left make believe in my childhood

[claudia32]

Your so mean, except people as who they are not just think they are doing make believe, people like u are so dumb honestly

[CallmeTheKnight]

It’s dumb for people like you to encourage such behavior. Deal with the fact that people see it for what it is. Deal with the fact that people are tired of dealing with folks who flip flop. If I’m mean for it, then I’m just mean. Grow up

[claudia32]

Dude your thinking is just straight up rude, it’s dumb for U to not accept people who they are

[claudia32]

U really should just GROW UP AND STOP HATING ON PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT THAN YOU. It’s like u saying “u hate gay people”. AND HAVE A BETTER MINDSET AND TREAT EVERYONE WITH RESPECT

[CallmeTheKnight]

Nothing is rude about what I said. No hate at all. Thats just you wanting to find it because you’re already hateful. You’re just a mere child with no real clue on how the world really works and you want someone to always consider your feelings because of “pronouns”… no real world experience but you definitely know when someone has to grow up when you haven’t done it yet. Time for you to do some growing and understanding

[DextroShade]

I wouldn't because I hate woke people.

[Wise4myage]

I wouldn't.

[Anonymous]

Nope.