HUNDREDS of Feds involved in Jan 6th? Your thoughts?

[Juxtapose]

This is not a new tactic utilized by the FBI by the way 😂

Updates

+1 y

If Bernie Sanders started to rise in power, the establishment would do the exact same thing to him. This is trying to shut down your political opposition one-on-one.

[Lliam]

I already saw videos and knew that there were FBI agents provocateur egging people on and assisting in break ins. The capital police also opened gates and acted like tour guides.

I had no idea that hundreds of feds and other police were involved, but it's not hard to believe.
This kind of thing is nothing new for the FBI and other police agencies.

The Dems and deep state have turned this country into a banana republic. Our government has so many years of practice at overthrowing elections in other countries and engineering coups d'etat that they now feel perfectly comfortable pulling those shenanigans here at home.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are meaningless to these people.

[Lliam]

Thanks for the MHO, brother.

[Juxtapose]

Always happy to give it to someone with a brain.

[exitseven]

There was a concerted effort by democrats to encourage this riot. Pelosi refused to have the national guard on site for additional security and there were feds in the crowd encouraging people to riot. The capitol police opened doors for the protesters and escorted them through the building. When Ashlee Babbitt was shot and killed there were armed Capitol police officers standing behind her just watching her as she tried to climb through a window.

[exitseven]

UPDATE: The Jan6t committee has destroyed all records from their investigation. They are afraid that any evidence showing security failures will help exonerate President Trump.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[goaded]

Oh, BS. Even Fox News isn't telling that lie. Who is?

[Juxtapose]

Hahaha we're onto the deep state and you better sweat it!

[goaded]

You can literally view thousands of documents from the Jan 6 committee online. They've not gone anywhere.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah, the documents they want you to see 🙄

[goaded]

@exitseven is saying they "destroyed all records from their investigation".

[goaded]

And, apparently, Repubicans spent a year investigating it and didn't notice?

[Juxtapose]

RINOs helped them.

[goaded]

No, we're talking about the latest congress. The Republican voters managed to get rid of all the sane Republicans.

[Juxtapose]

Which Republicans are sane to you? Please don't say Mitt Romney.

[goaded]

Why not? Sane Republicans, the ones who put country above party, are almost all gone.

[WhiteSteve]

I don’t get into conspiracy theories as a rule.

The bottom line, regarding everything political, is that I strongly disagree with almost all of the social positions of the right wing in America, and as long as that’s their agenda, no matter who the politicians are, I will fight that agenda from taking hold in any way I can. The politicians will come and go. It’s the ideals and values that disgust me.

[Juxtapose]

Brainwashed.

[NYCQuestions1976]

In other "Told Y' So" news, "collusion" was a lie, Hunter's not an artist selling expensive "art", and water in liquid form is wet.

Response to update: Hillary Clinton and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz via the Democratic National Committee already did that to Bernie Sanders during the Democratic primary season ahead of the 2016 election.

[goaded]

LMFAO

OK, so there are thousands of videos out there of people attacking the Capitol. Point out the "feds", and how you "know".

[goaded]

Several... Dozens... Hundreds!!1!!1!

How many Trump supporters were there? ISTR one of the Proud Boys was an FBI informant. How big were the "massive Trump crowds"?

A comedian says they were "leading the charge", and you buy that?

[NYCQuestions1976]

You're in no position to critique or criticize anyone's opinions on the federal involvement on January 6th, or to critique and criticize anyone's opinions on any topic of significance, for that matter. You still believe in thoroughly debunked collusion bullshit engineered by Hillary Clinton and her campaign cronies.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 You guys are taking what a failed comedian takes as fact. Losers.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded A comedian called you a loser? Yes I agree.

You wasted over seven years of your life believing bullshit engineered by Hillary Clinton and her campaign cronies, and nothing that you say or do with your life will change that.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 I realise you don't like facts. Have fun with that.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded I'm not the one that's spent nearly a decade believing in bullshit. This is literally the soundtrack of your life:
https://youtu.be/f1kA5ozNbzg

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 I believe bullshit, but you think Trump is innocent. Got it.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded It's not my belief or my opinion. It's documented fact that you spent over seven years of your life believing (and probably still believe) in debunked bullshit engineered by Hillary Clinton and her campaign cronies. Thus your ability to tell others what you believe to be reality and fantasy is completely and thoroughly compromised. You have no cache. You are not credible. You have no intellectual credentials. You have no business critiquing or criticizing anyone else's opinions on anything meaningful. You believed in bullshit for nearly a decade, and yet you still want people to follow you down rabbit holes. It's utterly ridiculous and nonsensical behavior.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 You wouldn't know a documented fact if it bit you in the ass. Read any of Trump's indictments yet?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Okay, Pot. You were flim-flammed by a fantasy. Your credibility is beyond shot, and your lack of situational awareness is hilarious.

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 yeah, the Ukrainian flag alone should tell people everything they need to know about where his mind is.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Juxtapose If I've got to choose between Ukraine and the Diet Soviet Union, I'm choosing the Ukraine. However, do I want to support them with our money, weapons, and soldiers? No way.

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 at least Putin is just reacting logically. This is a Cuban missile crisis for him in a very big way.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Juxtapose Which I could understand, if Putin wasn't Putin. He doesn't simply want foreign influence out of Ukraine, or even stop with the invasion of Ukraine. He wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. He's stated that's his objective many times over the years. Kennedy's objective wasn't to integrate the rest of North America and all of South America into the United States. He wanted Castro and his government ousted and the Soviet threat removed, but he didn't want Cuba as the 51st state.

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 if the USA lost Florida to another country and had a chance to take it back, do you think the USA government would hesitate?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Juxtapose Of course not. Then again, who knows with this current administration.

Jokes aside, it's not exactly the same thing. Florida is a state in a country. The Ukraine was one of 14 countries (besides Russia) forced to live under the Soviet flag until its disillusion in 1991. There are other countries that also want to reunite the Soviet Union (Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan, and maybe one or two more). Putin should just make the Soviet Union 2.0 with those countries, since they're willing participants.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 At the risk of changing your mind, I agree. Both sides should allow countries to choose which side (or neither) to join, and neither side should force the issue.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded I've been very clear on my critical beliefs when it comes to the Diet Soviet Union. They belong in the same "Suck A Fat One" caravan as Communist China, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey (even though they're a NATO member).

[NaultD]

Have you never seen police tv show. Under cover agents and informants are a real thing. They wear a wire and are "yes" men until they turn. But they are never leading the charges.

[OddBeMe]

I wish you conservative fcks would just take accountability for this and stop trying your stupid “deep state” bullshit.

Yeah that’s an American flag he beat and was about to impale into the Officer.

[Jersey2]

The government destroyed its own credibility. If they had credibility along with the media, this wouldn’t be an issue.

[OddBeMe]

@Jersey2 um the government isn’t an entity. It’s broken up into pieces, by design by the founders.

Do you hate the constitution?

[Jersey2]

I love the Constitution as I swore to defend it and served. So let’s go through those pieces of the entity:

Congress - What a mess from Pelosi sneering at Trump while he addressed the nation and world for that matter, doing her 3rd grade mocking clap making a fool of the US. Then there is George Santos on the other side of the House, he should be in jail. Then the Squad, one comes from Sudan, marries her brother, disrespects the people and the nation that gave her safe haven. More to say but Congress is a mess but if it worked properly then it would fix the rest of the problems.

The President… I have to say I didn’t see him as a crook, liar and a traitor to the country a year ago but the scale of what he has done will put him in American history books as I fully believe he did sell influence so his drug addict son could have sports cars, coke, plus houses for Joe and cash. Horrifying. And now they bastardize everything to go after Trump. Does Trump have things to answer for, perhaps, but a LOT of it is just meant to keep their crooked empire going.

The DoJ and even the Secret Service have now been corrupted. They have been used by the politicians as people loyal to the party (whichever is in power but mostly Dem now) and money get promoted to the top positions and therefor it is controlled.

The mass media is all about division as division means loyal readers, watchers and money once again. A media in search of truth would stop all of this crazy nonsense but those days are long gone.

[OddBeMe]

@Jersey2 talk about 3rd grade snowflaking… Lots of claims and no evidence to back it up, I see.

[Juxtapose]

lol put your fingers in your ears all you want but this is not the first time the FBI has been involved in something like this and it will not be the last. They are provocateurs and I'm sure you are familiar with how they tried to sabotage the civil rights movement.

[OddBeMe]

We know that because of the transparency. Just like we know what a shit show Kavanaugh’s investigation was.

[Juxtapose]

There is no transparency, you are being lied to it every turn by design.

[Juxtapose]

*at every

[Dargil]

Not sure about numbers but I believe there were tactical plants.
It wouldn't shock me if that is true for BLM and AntiFA riots.

[goaded]

Exactly! It's the FBI's job to have eyes and ears on potential terrorists.

[Dargil]

@goaded Ad, perhaps, inspire them if they hesitate,

[goaded]

If it means you can arrest them before they kill people, I don't have a massive problem with that, either. You're guilty of the crime of conspiracy if you discuss committing a crime with others and then go on to take any actions in pursuit of that crime (even if that action isn't in itself illegal, iirc).

So, talk about shooting someone, then rent an appartment with a view to the intended victim's place of work, and you're guilty of conspiracy to murder, even if you haven't bought a gun yet.

[Drewtate]

The US government arranges false flag operations all the time to create civil unrest and start wars. This is not beyond the pale

[Avicenna]

Makes sense to me. That would certainly explain, among other things, why Pelosi, et al. did not act on the intelligence the Capitol Police Chief referenced.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I thought this was old news. Knew about this over a year ago

[FunkyMonkee]

Lock THEM up and let the innocents go free!!

[Snakeyes7]

I figured this was the case from day one. There was some way too fishy about it, like how an insurrection happened while the so called insurrectionists didn't fire a single gun.

[goaded]

If they'd used guns, no force on Earth short of a direct order not to from the President could have kept the National Guard from coming in and asking forgiveness later. The whole attack would have been over hours earlier.

[Snakeyes7]

@goaded That's my point. If they wanted to ensure a successful insurrection, why did they not bring or use any guns?

They somehow knew the national guard would not show up otherwise they would have brought guns so that they have a better chance of success.

[goaded]

What? I told you, the national guard was mustered and ready to go, mere minutes away from the Capitol, waiting for orders from the president that never came. Any gunfire from the crowd would have given them an excuse to come right away and quell the insurrection by force. Any military commander worth his salt would do so.

The attackers didn't have to kill anyone to achieve their aims, all they had to do was stop the count until it became moot and the choice of president would fall to traitorous Republicans in the House. They only needed to be violent because Pence refused to simply rip up the constitution and declare the pre-prepared fraudulent slates of electors meant that multiple states' votes should not be counted.

[Snakeyes7]

@goaded No they weren't. The chief of the capitol police called for them six times with no response.

Yeah they didn't need to be violent either but since Ray Epps was there, who knows if the violent people were really Trump supporters and not people who were hired by the feds to attack and then lock them up due to their very classic entrapment ways?

Why was Epps there?

[goaded]

"1:49 p. m.: Capitol Police Chief Sund requests immediate assistance from District of Columbia National Guard (DCNG) Commander Major General William J. Walker. Major General Walker loads guardsmen onto buses in anticipation of receiving permission from the Secretary of the Army to deploy." Guess which part didn't happen.

"2:26... As the DCNG does not report to a governor, but to the President, Maj. Gen. Walker patched in the Office of the Secretary of the Army, noting that he would need Pentagon authorization to deploy. As the DCNG does not report to a governor, but to the President, Maj. Gen. Walker patched in the Office of the Secretary of the Army, noting that he would need Pentagon authorization to deploy."
en.wikipedia.org/.../Timeline_of_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

[Snakeyes7]

@goaded www.seattletimes.com/.../

www.nytimes.com/.../capitol-siege-security.html

[Juxtapose]

Let's see him deny that!

[goaded]

What's to deny? As far as I can see, both articles are entirely consistent with what I've been saying. They're also both from Jan 2021, a lot more has come to light by now.

The House and Senate security officials are not politicians. There were delays in the chain of command; who was at the top of that chain? Why didn't Trump give orders to quell the riot (or simply tweet for them to go home, which would have worked just as well)?

You're trying to blame the victims, here.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded Nancy deliberately held off the reinforcements because she wanted the rally to get violent lol.

[goaded]

She doesn't get mentioned in on of the articles and only gets mentioned twice in the other (for presiding over the session and for being present when they were calling for help). Neither says what you're claiming (which is ridiculous, by the way). The only person who wanted Jan 6 to get violent is the man who called them all there for what is normally a non-event.

[Juxtapose]

Trump wanted it to be peaceful, no matter how much these frauds say otherwise.

www.google.com/.../

There you go.

[Juxtapose]

You also thought it was ridiculous when I pointed out that the USA blew up the north stream pipeline but now it's fact lol.

[Snakeyes7]

>Why didn't Trump give orders to quell the riot (or simply tweet for them to go home, which would have worked just as well)?

In the NYT article:
"Ms. Bowser had sent a letter to top federal law enforcement officials on Tuesday warning against excessive deployments."

Also Trump did tweet telling them to stop.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose Article from the NYPost: "Republicans blame Democrats". Wow.

"“Leadership and law enforcement failures within the U. S. Capitol left the complex vulnerable on January 6, 2021,” says the report, which is based on a trove of texts and email messages, and testimony from Capitol Police leaders and rank-and-file officers."

Vulnerable to what? Unprecendented attack by supporters of the sitting president, that's what. (By the way, why doesn't that article link to the report it's talking about?)

Nordstrom: unlike you, I'm willing to change my opinion when more information comes out. I seem to recall suggesting that one reason for the US to destroy the pipeline would be to prevent backsliding by European countries, but that may have been a different conversation.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 Trump only told them to stop once they'd lost. Three hours too late. They also listened to him and dispersed, which proves he was always in control of them. None of them would have been there that day, if it wasn't for him. None of them would have believed the election had been stolen if he hadn't lied to them.

In the NYT article, here's the whole paragraph and the next:
"Ms. Bowser had sent a letter to top federal law enforcement officials on Tuesday warning against excessive deployments. Though the city had sought some National Guard troops for traffic control, she noted that the D. C. police had not requested additional personnel from law enforcement agencies for the rallies on Wednesday and referred to the aggressive deployment in June.

Still, federal law enforcement officials conveyed to lawmakers that they were prepared. David L. Bowdich, the F. B. I. deputy director, assured Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, that the bureau had the resources to handle the Trump rally."

There are always recriminations when something bad happens, even when it's unprecedented, like 9/11 or a sitting president sending an armed mob to the Capitol having been told they'd been robbed of the presidency and to fight, fight, fight.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded this is a giant witch hunt goaded. Have you ever seen a former president get indicted this many times during election season? I didn't think so.

[Juxtapose]

I don't think going after your political opponents over bogus charges is a good precedent.

And yes, the dems wanted January 6th to be big. They even were trying to say it was worse than 9/11.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded "Trump only told them to stop once they'd lost. Three hours too late. They also listened to him and dispersed, which proves he was always in control of them. None of them would have been there that day, if it wasn't for him. None of them would have believed the election had been stolen if he hadn't lied to them."

That's your opinion.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose "[Dems] even were trying to say it was worse than 9/11."
It was. Fewer people died on the day, but it would have meant the end of American democracy and massive conflicts within the US and around the world.

What time did Trump tell them to go home?

Was it hours after the attacks started? Didn't he call the rioters and seditionists to DC in the first place? Did he know they were armed? Did he send them to the Capitol anyway?

By the way, I found the Republican's "final report" on security at the Capitol on Jan 6, banks.house.gov/.../...t_of_investigation_real.pdf so what are they doing re-litigating the same thing all over again? It's almost as if they want to repeat the Benghazi farce where they ran nearly a dozen investigations that all found nothing.

[Juxtapose]

You can't take over the government by occupying one building with a bunch of unarmed yahoos. To say that is worse than 9/11 is grossly insensitive of you and demeans all those thousands of people who died that day. Fuck right off with that trite nonsense.

Trump was not in charge of that at all, he's not their daddy. They go home when they want to, NOT his responsibility.

He didn't send anyone there, unlike the federal government which sent hundreds of FBI agents there 🤣

[goaded]

So you think the first ever time there wasn't a peaceful transition of power in US history was no big deal? The US has been attacked before, this was the only time a sitting president sent an armed mob to attack and intimidate Congress.

Of course Trump was in charge, nobody would have been there if he hadn't called them there. They went home when he told them to (still telling them how wonderful they were). Dozens of informants are not the same thing as dozens of agents, let alone hundreds of them.

[Juxtapose]

You are stating a blatant falsehood, Trump did not send a mob to attack or intimidate Congress. That's the worst coup idea ever 😂 Yeah, a bunch of unarmed civilians are totally going to take over the entire USA government just by occupying a single building.. with the police giving them a tour during the whole process!

There were hundreds of provocateurs in the audience and they have done this kind of shit to civil rights leaders in the past. And Trump was not in charge, they are adults and he did not tell them to take over the country for him.. not that they could. There is literally absolutely nothing that crowd could have done to take over the USA government.

[goaded]

He literally told them to "Stop the Steal!". Of course they couldn't have taken over the government by themselves, they were there to provide cover for traitorous Republicans who would have voted, one vote per state (no matter how tiny), to reinstate Trump.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 Going back to your Seattle Times article, what do you think about this?

"It was the first of six times Sund’s request for help was rejected or delayed, he said. Two days later, on Wednesday afternoon, his forces in the midst of crisis, Sund said he pleaded for help five more times as a scene far more dire than he had ever imagined unfolded on the historic Capitol grounds."

So, he was refused help on Jan 4th, because it would look bad to have the Capitol surrounded by the National Guard, especially after Trump's upside-down bible stunt. But he was refused five times while people were actively attacking his officers and the Capitol. Those five times, it was the military chain of command, which had Trump at the top.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded occupying a building doesn't do anything or "provide cover".

[goaded]

How about killing Pence or a few Democrats? Or the Secret Service whisking Pence away to a "secure location" for a week? (He feared something like that, which is why he refused to leave the Capitol.)

[Juxtapose]

That's a "what if" that's pure speculation.

And fuck Pence.

[goaded]

So, what do you think would have happened to him if he'd been in the middle of an enraged mob who thought like you? (He really did refuse to get in a Secret Service vehicle to be evacuated, because he didn't trust them, that's not speculation.)

[Juxtapose]

I wouldn't touch him. He's awfully paranoid but to be fair, suspicion is healthy.

[goaded]

You might not, but are you so sure about the others?

The mob had a gallows and was literally calling to hang Mike Pence.

A day or two ago, Matt Gaetz stood next to Trump at the Iowa State Fair and said that violence is required to make changes in Washington. The crowd loved it and Trump didn't say a thing against it. He didn't even shake his head.

[Juxtapose]

No, they discussed building gallows and that was probably at the behest of the FBI.

[goaded]

[Juxtapose]

@goaded which fed built that one?

[goaded]

Yes, ignore the inconvenient facts that informers aren't agents, that nobody would have been there without Trump calling them there, that a dozen Trump supporters have been found guilty of seditious conspiracy, and over a thousand more of lesser crimes.

From tens of thousands (some have claimed a million) Trump supporters, everything bad that was done on Jan 6 was done by the elusive "feds". They must have been very busy, building the gallows (somehow keeping the peaceful Trump supporters who were horrified by it at bay) then dashing off to lead the chants of "Hang Mike Pence" at the doors to the Capitol.

You literally have a Republican representative standing next to Trump and saying "we know that only through force can we make any change in a corrupt town like Washington DC", to applause and nods from defendant Trump. No doubt all that crowd were "feds", too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD3OlueS5Jc

[Juxtapose]

More denial, more bullshit. You can't even acknowledge that the event was crawling with FEDS and all these indictments are a blatant witch hunt. What a joke.

[goaded]

I won't acknowledge what isn't true. You, on the other hand embrace it.

Oh, look, a fourth grand jury of American citizens has decided Trump probably committed crimes. And he's just violated the terms of his release from DC by interfering with a witness.

[Juxtapose]

Wrong and wrong lol.

He didn't interfere in anything, it's free speech. And they are releasing certain information they're not supposed to before even deciding on it, they are premeditating the case before the grand jury even decided anything.

[goaded]

It was the fifth grand jury to decide Trump should be tried for crimes. (Georgia needed two separate ones.) Do you really think they would wait until the jury voted before writing the documentation? Yes, someone screwed up and published temporarily too soon. Big deal.

"Stick 'em up!" is not free speech, nor is lying to election officials to get them to hand the election to you.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded yes, the particulars of this fucking matter and it is a very big deal. He could get this entire thing thrown out just because of that.



Neither of what you said in that second paragraph is true either. He didn't lie to election officials and he didn't tell anyone to stick them up.

[Juxtapose]

The image is a little small so if you open it in a different tab you should be able to see it.

[goaded]

Trump told them he had evidence of result-altering voter fraud, he didn't. That was a lie. The indictments against Trump are not "novel and untested legal theories", they're run of the mill for mishandling official documents, obstructing justice, falsifying documents, defrauding, etc.

All these Republican leaders who are spreading this shit really want Trump to go to prison so that they can blame the Democrats and pick up his supporters. What they ought to be doing is standing up for the rule of law.

[Juxtapose]

I disagree with literally everything you've said except that the Republican leaders want to send Trump to prison.

[Snakeyes7]

@goaded He was accusing them of a crime. That is not the same thing as "surrender or I will kill you".

At the time of the election and possibly even now, because the government loves to keep secrets from the public, we don't or didn't know if he was lying or is just wrong so how could any of us had known that he is a liar right then and there if he hasn't been to court and therefore couldn't have established whether or not he lied?

It still doesn't feel like we have gotten any answers on this now because these indictments just seem like you are trying to punish him for saying it and that doesn't bring any confidence to people who have any sort of sense of justice.

[goaded]

Maybe you're watching or reading the wrong news outlets. You could try reading some of the indictments, too.

We know he was lying because he and his cronies were preparing the lies in advance, even before election day.

[Juxtapose]

Haha any conflicting information to goaded is "wrong", only his narrative is correct even though he has been wrong numerous times before.

[goaded]

My "narrative" is backed up by 5 separate citizen grand juries.

[Juxtapose]

Not really, no.

[goaded]

That's why the indictments happened. Five separate grand juries of citizens concluded that the evidence warranted a trial. That's one each for the federal and NY cases, two for Georgia. There was also the Carroll civil suit that established that Trump raped her.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Look at the population. It's DC. There's a lot of feds there.

[gorydetails]

Where's Ray Epps?

[Juxtapose]

Jerking off in some corner pretending he wasn't so fucking obvious that people were chanting and calling him a Fed.

[goaded]

Hiding from morons like you.

[gorydetails]

@goaded So a fed is federally protected? what are the odds.

[goaded]

Nutter. How come he's the one of "hundreds" that you know the name of?

[gorydetails]

@goaded Well let's see... when you have grandmas locked up for casually walking through the capitol building and a man - ON CAMERA - inciting people to breech the capitol building walking free it does make the more intelligent folks among us think a bit. To those who hear on the news "RAY EPPS isn't A FED" and go- hm. I guess the organizations known for being pathological liars are telling the truth THIS time... I guess there's no reason to ask questions.

[Juxtapose]

^^ this

[goaded]

So the "Shaman" spent over two years in prison because he was FBI? You idiots were claiming he was Antifa, remember? The "grandma" said she deserved to be locked up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC1aE9gmzwo

[gorydetails]

@goaded The guy escorted by police through the capitol building who opened doors for him? Is that the shaman guy you're talking about?

[goaded]

Yeah, the one who spent years in prison. So was he a "fed" or not?

[gorydetails]

@goaded I don’t know, the FBI won’t release any information because they claim it would expose the identity of all the informants in the crowd. It seems that would be something they’d want us to know, wouldn’t it?

[goaded]

You have two options: he was a "fed" because he was led around peacefully in the Capitol by police, or he was a Trump supporter because he spent two years in prison for attacking the Capitol.

He's since come out grifting, which tilts toward the latter.

[gorydetails]

@goaded So has the FBI released its list of informants that were in the crowd or not? And you pivoted from Epps to the dork in the buffalo hat, why is that?

[goaded]

The joke is that you idiots think they were leading the tens of thousands to the riot when not one of them would have been there if it weren't for Trump's lies about the election and scheme to steal the presidency.

Oh, and you want to equate informants (usually criminals the authorities have dirt on) with agents (the guys with badges).

Did I mention the granny said it was right she should go to prison because she was guilty? I bought up the shaman because you guys used to pretend he was Antifa, and you're calling the FBI liars. Also because I thought someone mentioned him being escorted through the Capitol.

[gorydetails]

@goaded So I was correct that the Feds had at least one informant at Jan 6, right? Kind of like the Whitmer plot?

[goaded]

We've know there were informants in the Proud Boys for years, now, and no, it's not much like the Whitmer plot because it was planned and executed by Trump and his allies. There wouldn't have been anyone there on Jan 6 if Trump hadn't called them there.

Did you know you're guilty of conspiracy if you discuss committing a crime and take any actions towards committing it?

People could try just not planning to commit crimes (I do that every day), and it's no bad thing that they worry about there being an FBI informant in their midst.

Do you understand that FBI informants (usually criminals the authorities have dirt on) are not FBI agents (the guys with badges)? I ask only because you seem confused on that point.

[gorydetails]

@goaded So by your definition, Ray Epps is guilty of conspiracy. Hm...

[goaded]

Maybe, he was saying some stupid stuff. Like everyone else in Trump's crowd, he shouldn't have been there on Jan 6. And he wouldn't have been, if Trump hadn't called them all.

[gorydetails]

@goaded Oh, so now your political opponents don't have the right to assemble, the right to free speech, and the right to address their grievances to the government? No one can say they notsee that coming from you.

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^^ exactly.

[goaded]

They weren't all there to peacefully protest, many were there to attack the Capitol and disrupt the count. Some were part of proven seditious conspiracies to do so, and it was all in aid of helping Trump steal the presidency. That's what was illegal, not simple protest.

[gorydetails]

@goaded like a BLM riot, you mean?

[goaded]

No. There was no seditious conspiracy in the BLM protests, unlike the unlawful attempt to keep Trump in power.

[gorydetails]

@goaded Ah, just riots, looting and murders. Carry on then

[goaded]

Compared to an attempt to end democracy in the United States, that's nothing.

[gorydetails]

@goaded we know “end democracy” is code for “end democrat power”.

[goaded]

No, what actual people really understand is the end of free and fair elections, rule by minority, you know: the Republican way.

Sorry for your humiliating loss in Ohio yesterday, by the way.

[gorydetails]

@goaded I don’t live in ohio, and unlike you my political affiliation isn’t my entire personality. But nice try. And I understand what you consider “fair” in elections. Lol.

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goaded really thinks you can take over an entire country by just occupying one building with a bunch of unarmed civilians 🤡🤡🤡

[gorydetails]

@Juxtapose he also thinks men can be women, so the elevator doesn't go up to the top floor with him.

[goaded]

You can't really be stupid enough... Oh, what am I saying.

The plan was to stop the count so that traitorous Republicans in the House could vote Trump back as president. That, you can do "by just occupying one building with a bunch of unarmed civilians" (unarmed meaning mostly not carrying firearms, not actually unarmed).

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You do realize they could just delay the account until they take care of whatever security issues needed to be taken care of, right? There's a reason Nancy Pelosi purposely did not call in for more backup, she wanted a spectacle and she knew the FBI was going to help cause it for her.

Remember the people in the crowd chanting that Ray Epps was a fed? They weren't fucking bullshitting.

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*delay the count

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You can't just occupy a building and suddenly win over the entire US government over some technicality. That's not how it works, especially with how tightly things are controlled.