Cops are taught to engage…but should they?

[OddBeMe]

Instead of police we need social workers and mentors for people.

There are countries that have special forces trained and sent to deal with dangerous issues. A level above average shit like “she stole” …”oh no she didn’t that was the wrong person.”

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[BoopBoopBeep]

I can't find the whole video. I saw a small part. My concern here (because they cut it before the shot) is that the car just lurched/rocked forward a little like cars do when you put them from drive to park, or on a hill or something, and that resulted in what we have here. Has anybody seen the full video?

Also, stepping in front of a car has always seemed profoundly stupid to me, coming as someone with a badge. You're asking to get run down or you're itching for a shot, but I've shot through enough windshields in training to see how much they can deflect a round an inch or two from where you want it that I'm not going to play F-Around and Find Out with the weak-azz rounds police carry. I like to know where my shots are going.

[OddBeMe]

Not sure they released the full tape
https://youtu.be/IlwYufzbmVg

[BoopBoopBeep]

Well clearly Officer Driver Side wasn't taught how to use a window break tool. You don't hit the top bendy part you hit the lower corner where that ist will shatter. I'd have drug her out through teh window by 24 seconds because if it's bad enough i'm breaking a window it's bad enough to make sure you go through it. Personally I hadn't seen anything yet to warrant that but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here that she was putting keys in ignition or something. She starts turning the wheel and never looks forward. I don't think she meant to run over the cop, but they both F'ed up. You pull forward AFTER you look what's there (especially if you can't find a cop because the dumb ones like to stand in front of cars). Also could've been a kid there or somebody walking their dog. I honestly think she was just trying to flee (dumb, yeah, but people do dumb stuff). If dude wasn't standing there "about to be run over" then there's no way to argue that's a good shoot. She walked into his trap though, because the only reason to put yourself there is because you want the shoot or you're an imbecile.

All that to say, best i can tell, it certainly was NOT the jerk I was first afraid it might be.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah a smart police chief would prep his officers on black women

[Drumlin2001]

There should be more engagement of mental heatlh servcies/social services, but they tend to be underfunded.
In the recent case. The police were called, the alleged perpetrator was pointed out to them and then allegedly refused to cooperate until they drove at an officer. What happens if the officers let them go and they later have a crash killing others? The police would then be blamed for not stopping them. The police had to act. Whether there was a different course of action I'm not qualified to say. But if you risk the life of an officer you give them a reason to take lethal action

[OddBeMe]

Well we need training that teaches officers to de-escalate, especially with blacks.

But I would put my career and life (say hi to chauvin!) on letting her drive off and tailing. Funny how drunk drivers never kill when cops can plan a route.

[Drumlin2001]

So you want police trained to treat people differently based on there skin colour?

[OddBeMe]

Well like reparations historical straw matters so smart try would add BLM to strategy

[Stacey55666]

We totally need social workers to deal with criminals with guns.

[OddBeMe]

His many criminals have guns or would use them on a social worker?

[OddBeMe]

*how

[exitseven]

Laws need to be enforced. small crimes if not curtailed will encourage larger crimes. This is where we are today. Shoplifters were not prosecuted by democrat DAs so now we have gangs of shoplifters doing so many snatch and grabs that big box stores are just closing up shop and leaving. Lock them all up and have them see the social workers while they are behind bars so they cannot hurt or rob anybody.

[OddBeMe]

Where does say shoplifters aren’t prosecuted by Dems?

[exitseven]

Where I live the recently fired US attorney said she would not prosecute crimes like shoplifting, selling drugs, graffiti and othe rperceived small crimes. Soon it was out of control. She was a Biden appointee that the republicans tried to block because she was so Pro crime. Fortunately she was fired for corruption. Thy only turned around and found someone just as bad.

[OddBeMe]

I can’t disprove any of that but onbciously dems don’t have a shoplifting platform.

[goaded]

If it's DeSantis, he's also removed a DA for prosecuting cops. www.theguardian.com/.../florida-prosecutor-desantis-removed-monique-worrell

But this could be the case @exitseven is talking about:
www.nbcnews.com/.../ron-desantis-fired-prosecutor-andrew-warren-now-speaking-rcna76983

[exitseven]

@goaded No it is this. It says she resigned but it was either resign or be tried and convicted.
apnews.com/.../rachael-rollins-massachusetts-us-attorney-resigns-42f9111ea4aedbcc6a1ba9f6313cfe6e

[exitseven]

@goaded She was a disgrace to the office.. Her predecessor locked up numerous drug dealers and got real criminals off the street. He enforced the immigration laws and deported many illegal aliens. He also was the one behind the college admissions bribery scandal and locked up Felicity Hufffman among others. Rachel Rollins went after local administrators accusing them of "inequality"

[goaded]

OK, she went because of genuine investigations and transgressions, not just the governor not liking how elected officials go about their business. How's Texas AG Paxton doing? Even Republicans are talking about impeaching him.

[goaded]

By the way, that article doesn't talk about shoplifting at all.

[exitseven]

@goaded no but when she was apointed she said that shoplifting would not be prosecuted.

[goaded]

Are you sure about that? What's the usual sentence for shoplifting, anyway? If you get caught, arrested, and released from jail the next day, is that actually less time?

[exitseven]

@goaded She said certain crimes would not be prosecuted. Minor drug dealing, shop lifting, graffiti and other nuisance crimes. Yes, people usually don't even spend a whole day in jail but they get inconvenienced and have to appear in court afterwards. After a while most people don't think it is worth it and do not do it anymore. If you don't prosecute these crimes you just geet more of it until it becomes a big problem.
If you look at the tent cities that are being set up in democrat cities all over the country. There are laws against sleeping in the streets, there are laws against public intoxication, there are laws against drug dealing and assault. These laws are not enforced and that is where we are today,

[goaded]

I'm sure you're in favour of increased taxes to pay for all those trials. I'd also like to see a link to where she said that.

[exitseven]

@goaded I would gladly pay for that and also more prisons. Keep them off the streets and out of trouble

[Sevenpointfive]

she was probably thinking, "they're not actually gonna shoot a pregnant woman stealing clothes". but white racist cops love any chance to fire off a round.

"omg she moved forward and i was just standing there with a gun pointed at her all ready to shoot... i had no clue what was going on because this is not the person we were going to originally shoot so i got confused. thank you that is all".

[inhua]

maybe you should sign up to be a social worker

[OddBeMe]

I have volunteered and helped several

[inhua]

what's the most dangerous situation you've come across as a social worker?

[OddBeMe]

I've ended up in drug dealers flat who was trying to recruit us.

[inhua]

how is that dangerous? were knives and guns involved?

[OddBeMe]

Is that what makes it dangerous?

[inhua]

according to you, we need social workers to handle dangerous situations instead of cops

[OddBeMe]

And why would that be bad?

[inhua]

you mentioned dangerous so I'm assuming you actually faced some real danger as a social worker

[Drewtate]

A lot of what police do is social work. You only have to look at cities like San Francisco that don't enforce basic laws and defend police

[msc545]

I think your politics are getting the better part of your logic. Come to San Francisco sometime and commit some petty crimes and see what happens. I realize it's an article of faith among people on the right that that certain cities which you dislike for their politics don't enforce the law. But if you actually came here and tried it, you would soon learn that that isn't the case.

[Drewtate]

@msc545 yes commit petty crimes like shoplifters and you don't even get a slap on the wrist. One of the reasons why wallmart and target are leaving San Francisco

[msc545]

Shoplifting is ubiquitous and largely victimless unless you count large corporations that get tax write-offs and are insured for it.

Pick another crime to complain about - and try shoplifting here anyway and see what happens in real life.

[Drewtate]

@msc545 if so then why are companies leaving San Francisco? Who are the victims? The citizens of San Francisco when they can't shop anywhere or have to travel to shop.
Somebody somewhere has to pay. If stores have to claim off their insurance for stolen goods that means their insurance premiums will go up which the store will pass on to consumers. As for tax write offs, its taxpayers who pay for that. If a store is unprofitable due to shoplifting that store will close down or move.

[msc545]

Companies are leaving for financial reasons related to crime. Taxes in this state are fairly nasty, and SF does have many homeless people and that problem is not being managed well.

[Drewtate]

@msc545 financial reasons related to crime such as loses due to shoplifting. Yes SF is a city being run into the ground with Liberal policies.

[msc545]

No, a high tax burden These are conservative policies.

[Drewtate]

@msc545 Conservative policies in san Francisco? C'mon. Its the same story in all these Liberal cities

[msc545]

Do you live in SF or just get your knowledge of it from Fox News?

[Drewtate]

@msc545 I've lived there for a time. It's not surprising why so many people are leaving for texas, arizona, colorado and so on.

[msc545]

Where in California did you live when you were here?

[Drewtate]

@msc545 san Francisco, L. A. a few small towns

[msc545]

WHat small towns and for how long? Also, how long in SF and LA?

[Snakeyes7]

I would love to see social workers try to end a gang war. That would be interesting.

[OddBeMe]

Let me know when the next one starts

[Snakeyes7]

All you gotta do is go to Chicago or Detroit. Where gun deaths are really common despite being having one of the heaviest gun control laws in the country.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah man this shit is crazy…happens daily
https://youtu.be/jO3w1Vpfcdc

[Snakeyes7]

I didn't say it happens daily, I said it happens almost exclusively in those cities.

[OddBeMe]

Actually statically it’s pretty even.

[Snakeyes7]

So I guess gun control is pointless, if what you say is true.