u 1. It is not the business of The Atlantic to tell me what I can care about.
2. I'm engaged now but, before that happened, I was dating with the hope of finding a long term partner. A woman who had sex with three guys last month is NOT a good candidate for a LTR with me, regardless of what some twit at The Atlantic thinks.
It's all sexual economic theory in my mind.
The genders are competing for sexual resources. This means slandering eachother in order to raise our own value.
We come up with reasons like "STDs" or "a person who has too many partners can't be a good parent."
It's nonsense. All it is, is our nature. We are competing and we don't even know it.
What it means to be a good parent and how to become one is discoverable by means of cognition.
Guys aren't scared of STDs they're just jealous that the hot girl is a slut for the jock, and not for the average or the need.
Men hate that there is a hierarchy of male attractiveness at the top, and so we have our host of insults to try to tear them down to our level so we can maybe fuck them.
It is a futile attempt.
Women say all men are man whores whereas in reality most men are desperate for even one woman.
Women are saying that to try to tear down the very man whores they wish they could gain commitment from. That man whore, can be trained to be a father. At least this man, is attractive.
The fsxt that the most attractive men won't settle down makes women angry. And so they levy the accusation that all men only want sex. All men are man whores.
It is all part of the sexual competition. We are all trying to tear down those who are most attractive so maybe we could get some.
This is 100% factual and true to the enth degree. Thank you for articulating so well what I tried to in a few debates elsewhere on this question.
Very well said.
What you have is the women angry with man whores because they feel they are entitled to commitment from such men, and men angry with sluts because they feel they are entitled to sex from them and get none.
Lots and lots of entitled and angry people who can’t get what they want and blaming everyone else for it.
Maybe they should all work on themselves instead of finger pointing. I’ll bet if they did they’d be more content and both parties would be much more likely to find what they’re looking for.
Then you have these regards equating a high body count to a sexual addiction. Addiction is those who are slaves to something. They can’t control themselves not won’t control themselves and their different.
Then we have the women on here. Like @Lazerbean. Trying to slut shame men. Trying to say men with a body count over 2 aren’t worth knowing. Masquerading as good Christian women, who excuse their sins, and try to hold the sins of others whom Christ has forgiven against them because they’re prideful and arrogant. Holding the sins Christ forgave others for, while being just arrogant enough not ti acknowledge her own shortcomings. They are also angry that they could not do better with their profoundly average looks. Angry all the man whores passed them up. Angry all the man whores did every one else but them. They are no different than the men slut shaming women. The same men that can’t get a girls attention to save their lives. Angry at profoundly average looking women like @Lazerbean won’t even give them the time of day and they must settle for 300 pound hogs.
These people are comical. All of them full of crap in light of the absolute truth you just stated.
So we have average looking women angry because they feel they are entitled to the commitment of the most desirable men simply because they have a vagina, and looser men angry at women because they feel entitled to dates and sex with women when they’re total losers.
Then we have both parties angry with me for being good looking, charming when I care to be, for having the gift of gab, for being popular, for being fun to be around and typically the life of the party, for having my crap together, for having money and a comfortable life financially. They’re angry with me because I can get the best of the best at will and as often as I please, even at 46 years old if I so chose, and that they can’t what they somehow think they deserve…despite there being no evidence to warrant that.
All that can be summed up by two words: jealousy and entitlement.
I don't care about "body count" as a number but about what it tells about someone. A promiscuous attitude can be a tell for many red flags. Immaturity, still self exploring and not having found yourself yet. Sometimes not being mentally stable. Not being able or not being interested in being in a long term relationship. If the person isn't able then it opens the door to other red flags. Sex addiction? Tendency to cheat? Getting "bored" of someone quickly? Never actually falling in love? They are also more likely to be unreliable when it comes to family and kids... Some of these things aren't wrong but they just make someone less fit for a stable relationship and it's not wrong to choose to avoid them. When it comes to men a lot of them pretend to care about body count because they are sexually insecure (yes deep down you know it's that) But in the end they actually love "sluts" and hate the "boring prudes" they marry and end up cheating on them.
Tbh the argument of “a woman having sex with 50 men in 2 years is the same as a woman having sex with her boyfriend 50 times in 2 years” is accurate. Saying that having multiple partners in that time frame is okay for men and not women is significant of how much people shame women for embracing the same freedoms of singlehood that men do. And if you say “It is bad for men,” then why do people talk about body count relating to women more? Does past sex actually matter when you both communicate well and see each other as a good companion for life, or does it only matter if you want your relationship to have value to other people you talk to?
Think the reason why the topic around body count has been focused more around women lately is because of Extremists Feminists trying to Make the claim that “body count doesn’t matter”
Some of the redpill guys on internet also kinda say the same thing except some of them say “for men body count doesn’t matter”
Both groups are trying to find a way to excuse their past behavior that their not proud of in an attempt to “Normalize” it
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A man can care all he wants. Doesn’t mean a woman is going to change, or reveal her number, or apologize for her past. And it doesn’t mean she’s going to care what he thinks. We all know by now that’s all men who care about body count want … and it’s not going happen.
@KrakenAttackin They are also physically damaged with saturated Dopamine receptors and very resilient drug addiction.
@Kraken and msc
Sorry. I’m calling BS on both of you. Having multiple sexual partners does not equate to a sex addiction. As if masturbation doesn’t result in the same dopamine spikes along with porn that sleeping around does, in which case, you’re both just as damaged and you both know it. Don’t either of you try to act like you both weren’t wacking off with high frequency for most of your lives.
No offense or inference to either of you but I think these silly little arguments about body count are made by guys who haven’t gotten laid much and feel inadequate.
If you like pizza, and eat a slice, guess what? Dopamine spike. Does eating pizza for example an average of once a week mean you’re a pizza addict?
Reply if you want but I’m not arguing about this. This is crap made by incels who couldn’t get laid in a dime whore house and are jelly others got to do what they could only dream of.
@Exterminatore Yet more judgment of the chronic masterbaters and porn addicts. You’re right, but you are judging.
@Exterminatore Masturbation leads to more masturbation. I think that is all I really need to say is response to your logic unless you want to argue neurology and addictionology with me.
@msc
I will argue it with you. Anything that is pleasurable creates a dopamine spike. The question is, was there moderation in enjoyment?
Masturbation leads to more masturbation? How about horniness leads to masturbation?
Again. These are the same arguments jelly incels use. Guys who are unattractive to the majority of women and those are the guys women settle for, not want.
@徐翊扬love
I’m not judging chronic masturbators. I’m just saying sex with a different person even frequently results in no more of a dopamine spike than masturbation or even watching porn and masturbating. I’m saying all the guys in HS were cranking out loads by themselves as if they’re lives depended on it, and no go guy is any different with rare exception.
Therefore, if the premise that slutty women are damaged due to multiple partners resulting in dopamine spikes is being used to equate to them being damaged, then all the guys who jerk off regularly are equally as damaged.
My last point again is I think this argument is one often used by men that wanted to be whores but were rejected too frequently to be the whore they wanted to be.
@徐翊扬love
What I am saying is this argument tends to be used by guys in the way fat, unattractive girls slut shame other girls. Meanwhile those 300 pound hogs aren’t sluts because they are undesirable.
They’re so quick to call others whores because they’re mad they can’t whore it up also, because that requires a partner and they can’t get one.
Just like undesirable men hate guys who get laid a lot and hate slutty women…. while they sit there and think: “she’s a known slut, I can get some from her.” Only to be rejected by the slut they thought they could get inside of. This angers them that girls are giving their vag to everyone but them.
Facts people. Stop believing these silly arguments.
I agree, Exterminatore. We all know if angry, slut shaming men could hack it, they’d sleep with an exorbitant amount of women and they wouldn’t give a shit who had anything to say about it.
And what supports your argument is how popular commentators on this topic, say the guys from Fresh and Fit for example, actually excuse and encourage promiscuity in me while shaming it in women. It’s an agenda they’d made crystal clear - maximizing sexual access in men while minimizing it women. They’re angry that nature has it designed with the opposite effect.
@Exterminatore Yes, you are.
YOU assume other guys were rubbing it out on the daily in high school. Some of us were so busy with extracurriculars and a job there was no time to rub them out. I’m talking like once every 2 months. That shit changed quite a bit with a girlfriend. But, then I only came home to sleep and eat.
The sluts, were well known amongst us. They were looked down on. They were lazy, didn’t perform well in school, and had problems at home. They disrupted social order for attention. So I don’t entirely blame them, but I don’t condone what their choices either.
I don’t disagree with you on porn. I also don’t doubt there are some unattractive people hiding behind accounts here.
Regardless, Christianity has guidance for all these situations but people want to follow it a la carte then cry about judgement. I say again, men of god do not fear judgement. Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. He finished that saying with “go forth, AND sin NO MORE.”
@Exterminatore. Honestly, I think a number of girls on here don’t have as high a “count” as they let on or some guys assume. I think they come on here and say these things just to piss them those guys off because they want nothing to do with them. They wouldn’t touch these guys with a ten foot pole. But it’s no reason to be cruel.
Hasn’t been my problem, persay, but more of a burden. I’ve asked point blank and it usually scares the crap out of them to answer. I’ve rejected them before for it, they should be scared. Mostly because they were unapologetic and didn’t regret it…before the rejection. She can say what she’s going to say, she’s the one that’s got to live with a lie if she chooses to, not me. She won’t bring me down to her level if she lies like a dirtbag. She’ll have to live with the shame of deception and dragging others down with her. It’s a charade that eats away at your soul and you end up hating yourself. Some will try to pull bull shit like asking their spouse to sleep with one of their friends or something. I know the games women can play. That’s not acceptance. That’s not truth. That’s not love.
@Exterminatore What physiological conditions do you suppose cause "horniness". You can stop the name-calling or get blocked here.
We can disagree politely, please.
It…doesn’t…matter. You have your own covenant with god. You govern yourself. You give yourself and your partner the same respect. If they lie, they blow up. I’ve never seen a successful relationship based on a lie last. Resentment happens. Women, or men, will try to sabotage the relationship. Trying to trap and test their spouse. It’s gaslighting, it’s negging, it’s the EXACT bull shit with assholes explicitly insulting girls with no intention other than to make them feel bad for rejecting them. There is no care for their well being. They THINK they care for their well being by fucking them and dumping them, but it’s a lie. Lies, lies, lies.
@Exterminatore newsflash there is no body count thing but at some point a woman becomes a slut. It written on her face and everyone can read slut.
Whether it happens after 2 men or 200 isn't up to us.
I wouldn’t be with someone who made such a big stink about a number instead of evaluating my ability to be loyal in more mature and discerning ways. My husband knows I’ve had one other serious relationship and a few guys I dated in college, but he’s never asked or been interested in the exact number. That’s just a strange fixation to us.
I doubt she would have the option a man w/ options isn't going to commit to a woman w/ a high body count. Can't turn a hoe into a housewife.
@徐翊扬love
I’ll disagree with that also. Average women can get laid far more than average men. Women are pickier. A guy will gladly bang most any average looking girl. Most girls will do so only once in a great while, and eventually settle with one, however they will willingly mount up on guys they perceive to be high in status as they are rare. They will be sluts for such guys as often as they are able, hoping to lure them into a relationship typically with their vagina, and satisfy themselves along the way.
Being a former “Chad” I know this first hand.
Yeah. I’m the guy all the incels bitch about. Or at least I was. I hung my zipper in the hall of fame and retired. I’m the “Chad” they are jelly of. Because I am good looking, smart, whitty, funny, I got my crap together, I’m fun to be around typically the life of the party, I’m always popular wherever I go and therefore I didn’t have to try hard to find willing participants as they typically hit on me and not the other way around, and still do. All the time.
What I will tell you is there are girls out there with pretty sizable body counts. I know because I am one who is in their body count.
@Exterminatore Slutty women have been and always will be a part of the sexual market place. I believe the question speaks more to should a man committ to a woman with a high body count. I've never heard a logical reason to, instead various forms of childish shaming tactics are used to help the shamer cope with information that they don't want to hear.
“Msc
Ummmm hormones. Duh. The same thing that makes you jerk it while sobbing, wishing you could find someone to jerk it for you.
Yeah, I’m being an a hole right now because I’m sick of you dudes who can’t get laid to save your life spewing this complete nonsense around everywhere all because you can’t be the whore you want to be.
“Guys at Home Depot want to get laid as much as Tiger Woods, but whores don’t care about lumber” - Bill Burr.
Sluts are like a Walmart that’s open at 3am. Everyone makes fun of them, but at 3am everyone is glad they’re there.
@vegas
Fair enough, and I’ve never heard of a logical reason not to, besides these obviously bogus theories and stats about body count being correlated to somehow being defective.
All the guys hate sluts….. until they get horny. Then they hate them again when they fail to get what they wanted from her.
@Exterminatore I can get laid quite easily and often. That is not the point. I compliment you on your wisdom in backing off relative to arguing Neurology and Addictionology with me.
@MzAsh
Bill Burr even did a comedy. Stating the average guy who works at Home Depot wants to get laid as much as someone rich and famous, but unfortunately whores don’t care about lumber.
Also made fun of all the fat and unattractive guys pointing fingers at Arnold Schwartznegger and Tiger Woods for cheating….. as if they have any clue what it’s like having perfect 10’s throw themselves at you on the daily.
All guys wanna be whores, few can actually be one.
@msc
I have XY chromosomes same as you. If you could get laid often you would. Just cause I backed off doesn’t mean I agree. You’re still wrong.
@Exterminatore So tell me how I am wrong, genius.
I already did bright one. Read up on my example with pizza and all forms of pleasure causing dopamine spikes.
Did it ever occur to you that chasing dopamine spikes might be one reason people might engage in promiscuity? Another is hormones. You know. Those chemicals that tell you it’s time to make carbon copies of yourself, present in different amounts in different people….. which make some people hornier and some less?
Nah. Doesn’t fit your narrative of being angry at all the little sluts that passed you up. Gotta be a better reason than you basically sucking as a man and being undesirable to women right?
I'm not angry at anybody Passing me up since the few times it's happened, I figure I've dodged a bullet. I think you're probably confusing me with somebody else. Actually. I don't disagree with you regarding the pizza analogy. That said, I don't think people technically get addicted to pizza, but I think they damn sure get addicted to the high they get from dopamine and several other chemicals. Save your insults for somebody else.
@Exterminatore Thats unfortunate because People have provided logical reasons not to committ to permiscuios women for most of human history, and there's examples of plenty of men who have made this mistake daily. I can't speak to the "hating" of sluts because I've never experienced that, perhaps they just hate committing to them?
@msc
You’ve never heard of someone being addicted to carbohydrates or sugar? Even salt? All of them spike dopamine levels. Never heard of a food addict?
@vegas
To be clear you’re talking about avoiding slutty women. And what about man whores? Is there no data throughout history to show they should be avoided?
It’s like I said. Everyone makes fun of Walmart and sluts but everyone is glad they can find either open at 3 am.
Is the problem with these women that they’re sluts or just crappy people apart from and separate from sluts? Why does one need to be a result of the other. I’m sure plenty of guys got burned by a crappy women who also just happened to be a slut.
As far as the impacts of being a whore, perhaps they are different between the sexes. I do not know nor care to put much effort into the matter as I’m out of the game. I’m married and done sewing my oats.
@vegas
I mean it’s funny, all these guys claiming they don’t get laid enough in their marriages, yet all the unmarried guys want to marry the biggest prude they can find. I think the reason is they just can’t handle the idea their sweet little princess had her face buried in someone else’s crotch at times in her past. If I’m right that is silly and immature. People have sex. People like sex. Therefore it should not be a shocker some people have had a lot of it with other people. I think some guys egos can’t handle it.
@Exterminatore I see your confusion. No I'm not talking about avoiding sluts at all, they're good for guys to get sexual practice on. Men are whore makers, and obviously they aren't avoided because only like 4 out of every 10 men in human history have reproduced while over 95% of women are.
I can't speak to the problem because as I said b4 I enjoy sluts, and don't see a problem with them. TY for sharing but I have no clue what your referring to I don't see where I mentioned anything about your marriage status. Are you sure you tagged the right person?
@Exterminatore in my opinion you have the right to feel the way you want. The same way a man has a right to choose who he wants to committ to. I find it interesting that people have no problem shaming men for having standards yet if the roles were reversed their would be outrage if someone shammed women for having standards. I agree w/ enjoying sex as I've personally had sex w/ almost 300 women in my life, however thar doesn't mean that I would committ to a women w/ almost 300 bodies in her life.
@vegas
Like you I’m over 300 myself. To be honest I don’t know the exact number. Higher than 300, but lower than 400.
My philosophy was simple. I did not want a girlfriend or a wife. I wanted sex, not the rest of what came with a relationship. Since it was never any trouble to find a willing partner, I had many. Why limit myself to just one? Not to mention women lie a lot about this. Of those I never lead anyone on. I was clear that I did not want any relationship. None the less, many agreed, and then wanted me to be their man, after having clearly understood the terms. I ended up with one or 2 stalkers even. Frankly they should have just been honest with me and themselves. So I had an need for sex, but not a lot of the BS that came with relationships.
As I got older, I felt ready to settle down. These days I’m devoutly religious. I left that life behind, and did what God commands. That is having sex in marriage only.
All that said, I don’t see how having several or even many partners damages anyone. I hate these guys insisting they marry a virgin, yet are compete turds. I also hate these guys with their fancy little graphs and charts showing correlations between promiscuity and being a bad woman. I don’t think they’re necessarily connected. I think crappy people are crappy people. There plenty of crappy people who are and are not promiscuous. So I don’t think there’s a link. Maybe there might be a point with women as their psychology and mating strategies are entirely different. I have no idea.
All I know is I see a lot of guys thinking a slut is not good enough for them, but in reality they’re not good enough for the slut. I see a lot of slut shaming by people who wish they could sample a lot of different dongs and holes, but in fact do not have the ability to do so. They walk around all puritanical regarding this matter. AS IF they could even find willing partners more than twice a year. Like they stood the test of temptation. Easy to do when no one wants you.
@vegas
This whole lots of partners = bad wife crap is floating all around the Manosphere. Frankly I agree with 90% of what I see in there as men are treated like crap in America and are often worked over by women due to feminist brainwashing. However this is one point I do not agree with. You must obviously live in Vegas. I used to live there too and worked on the strip. I can’t even count how many times I’ve had drunk girls grab my ass, outright ask me if I wanted to f*ck, grab my wang, try to kiss me, or tried intentionally rubbing their tits on my arm. I worked Security. This was all the time. I even had one physically try to pull me into a cab with her on New Years Eve because she wanted me to go to her hotel with her and giver her the “D.” Most of these girls were tourists.
Now are they doing this stuff because they’re bad people? No. It’s because they’re on vaycay, often under the influence and they’re horny. No different than every other person on this planet. Right now I got a 23 year old at my job who attempts to flirt with me daily. Who I ignore. Which only makes her try harder. Is she a bad person? Maybe, she knows I’m married, but she’s probably no different than every other human on earth. All these girls got one thing in common. They’re human. Just like every human, they have sexual needs. I think a lot of guys would be shocked how many girls have had a fling or a weekend guy. They make me laugh. They talk about body count. I can guarantee pretty much NO girl will ever answer that question honestly. Not in todays day and age. They be getting laid a lot. You know this yourself having been around the track about the same amount of times I have.
There’s indeed significant data that suggests that promiscuous men should be avoided by women who looking to have a serious relationship. Of course, this is information the manosphere keeps in the dark. Macken Murphy has a few things to say about this very subject. www.instagram.com/.../?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
@MzAsh
Thank you for sharing that. I do not have positive views of feminism, and this topic is not about that so I don’t want to get off track.
However it seems to me you are quite correct. I don’t think I agree with the data however. “There are lies, damn lies and statistics.” I don’t believe any of the numbers I’ve seen for either sex.
None the less, I think that men should be aware of statistics that point negatively towards promiscuity. If we point to the women and say what is said, then the men should also be pointed to. All of the facts concerning such a matter should be taken into consideration. None the less I don’t agree with the analysis that someone is not good dating material based on promiscuity alone. Being a turd is independent of promiscuity I believe. I don’t think there is a link between someone who is just a awful human being and promiscuity. I don’t think there is a correlation with any mental damage. I think there are plenty of bad people who are and are not promiscuous.
Bear in mind, I’m not promoting or endorsing promiscuity. I’m not saying it’s necessarily a good thing. I’m just discussing the subject from what I believe is an objective one regarding this matter and calling attention to what I believe to be the facts regarding this.
@Exterminatore My exact number is 282. I have girlfriend's I just don't conmitt to only one woman because it's pretty pointless because of what you said about finding a willing partner. I've had exactly 2 stalkers as well, the last one broke my car window and tried to convince her parents that we were engaged women are nuts lol. I don't mind the BS that comes w/ relationships because I'm in control of the relationships. I can't speak to damaging anyone, however I believe it's hypothetical and odd to criticize a man because he has standards. If a guy doesn't want to commit to a woman its his choice so it's irrelevant what others think, but it's so odd that no one ever criticizes women for what they want, and people are always claiming "men should be honest" yet when they are people like u still complain. I don't even understand why you care. When I make my decision to spend my valuable time w/ a woman I don't take into consideration other people's opinions. TBH in most relationships the guy is better than the girl that's just a result of hypergam.
@Exterminatore Lol, hey so did I! I Was one of the top promoters in the world during my time. Started out as a street prmoter and worked my way up to become one of LG's top host. I had all those things happen. I always say that if every man spent 1 year working as a promoter on the strip it would change dating dynamics forever because men would understand what its like when they are the ones being pursued. My view is that being permiscuios doesn't = a bad person however having a permiscuios girl can certainly put you in danger. I'm not sure if you were around when the host got killed outside Bally's but he lost his life because of a permiscuios woman. I agree w/ you about how many guys would be shocked but that's because most guys don't get a lot of girls, and most women know this and use this to their advantage. we only say something when men use their advantages one of which is choosing not to committ to a slut. You said you got married, how many men was your wife w/ b4 you? I've asked plenty of girls about their body count and they always answered, however Im not looking for a relationp so they probably feel more comfortable telling me. U know this working security, if you can make a woman want something, bad enough she'll do almost anything for it.
Exterminatore, completely understand. I don’t think promiscuity is inherently a good thing either, for either women or men, but I also don’t think that having a past is necessarily a bad thing either. I believe this whole trending topic on body count is an agenda to punish women exclusively or convince them to go back to being good girls so fuckboys don’t get an insecurity complex when they’re ready for their virgin wife/caregiver at 50. Im here to call it out for what it is on that note.
@Exterminatore “all guys wanna be whores” spoken like a true virgin
Unlike you some people actually want to live an overall balanced life. Not a “hedonistic” or degenerate one.
Any dopamine inducing/stimulating activity with consistency and regularity will inevitable lead to a reduction/desensitization to the brain’s reward limbic/circuit. Unless you’re layering other dopamine stimulating factors. This is why famous people with a promiscuous past have a lot of times resorted to layering other thing that further Add on to that.
@MzAsh
I think you are 100% right in your assertions. I think this is a manipulation pure and simple. I think it’s using stats to punish women because low class guys are pissed they can’t get laid and these women can. I think it’s about men with sensitive egos who can’t handle the idea the girl their with was with other men prior. I do see that a lot of guys encourage other guys to be promiscuous while shaming women for doing so.
I also think the repeated comments on this thread about dopamine spikes are complete poppy cock. Anything that’s pleasurable creates dopamine spikes. Trying to basically equate having a lot of partners to them basically being sex addicts is a bunch of crap. In my case for example, my body count is over 300. On average I had a new willing participant around once a week. So having sex once a week means your a sex addict? That’s frigging ludicrous. I would not disagree in that I’ve been rather excessive, however, if I have a wide variety of options, why should I not take advantage? This I think is just attempting to justify an emotional stance. They’re butt hurt another dog got to play with their favorite toy and are jealous. I don’t think this is the case with @KrakenAttackin. He’s a pretty stable and rational dude. I think he is just misinterpreting the information and taking for granted the info is accurate. He’s a good guy. No offense intended to him. As for the rest of these clowns, I think they’re full of crap. BS is BS no matter who said it. Some of these guys have never heard of a food addiction before. Yet they’re suddenly addiction experts. They think I don’t know what it’s like being a male. That I’m supposed to believe they weren’t jerking off like crazy all through HS when I know for fact I and every other male I grew up with was. Because the conversation came up many times. There was the Playboy underground. Dudes stealing their dads porno mags. Am I lead to believe the stealers and buyers of such were looking at those mags to
@MzAsh
Read the articles? We all knew growing up who to talk to to get a new porn mag. Yet these guys think jerking off has no dopamine spike…. only sleeping around. By their own logic they’re all sex addicts or recovering ones. Sure, there are exceptions to every rule, but MzAsh we’re both old enough and mature enough to know guys have higher sex drives and value sex way more than women. For men under a certain age it’s pretty much a priority. They expect you to be stupid too. Like you’ve never dated anyone and are unaware of this. Like you’re supposed to believe the majority of men have strict discipline and self control in the relm of sex. The reality is the opposite in almost every case at one point in life or another. Then they want me to play dumb too. Like I’m not a man. Like I don’t have a pretty good idea what goes on in their heads. Like I’m supposed to believe in their youths they were vastly different from me and all my peers. Like they were vastly different from all the men I served in the Marine Corps with. Like none of us ever sat in a fighting hole in between being in action, waiting for our next orders, board because we were in the middle of a desert and never discussed with triumph all our greatest sexual exploits to date or the fastest amount of time we could crank one out in.
Nope, these boys commenting on this thread are completely different from all the men who I ever spoke to about this subject. Why, they’re all would be choir boys. My dying ass! Men like sex pure and simple and the unattached many will almost always take up on any offer from any girl that’s at least average looking and many will gladly settle for ugly girls, and pretty much all guys wack off regularly inbetween. That’s the real facts and as stated, by their own logic, they’re all sex addicts then too.
@vegas
You’re 100% right. If some of these boys spent a year living and working in Vegas it would change their dynamics completely. They may be aggressively perused.
I left Vegas in 2017. Not sure when the guy got killed outside Bally’s. You are also right that most guys don’t get a lot of girls, and in fact most are starved for female attention and bitter because of it. My current wife said she was with 13 dudes. I wouldn’t care if it was 13 or 30. She’s a good woman and I enjoy being married to her. I almost never ask about body count. I don’t really care about it and I know what ever answer I’m given it’s probably not true. Girls be getting laid. We both know that. How many times you met a girl at 11 pm at night and by 3 am she’s doing stuff to you she wouldn’t do to a farm animal. Happens all the time. You’re right. If they want it bad enough, there’s practically no stopping them. I even had one grab my zipper, unzip it and attempt to put her hands through my fly…. after I declined her advances twice! She did that in the middle of the casino floor. I know I’m not the only guy either. A few of my coworkers had been propositioned by swingers to join them when they got off work, or had similar experiences of being groped or flat out asked if they wanted to f*ck. It’s like taking candy from a baby in Vegas, though the bulk of my body count came when I was in the Military in SoCal. I used to get chicks to flash me at bars and all my jarhead friends too. Easy pickings for a young Marine in CA. Hell I even had my buddies GF’s mom reach into my pants on the down low one night in San Diego. That was one wild night in Imperial Beach in San Diego!
@Exterminatore
You’re stuck in your ancient ways. Keep up with the times old man.
Or at least study some neuroscience regarding supernormal stimuli, the connection behind dopamine baseline and peaks and dives below base, the process behind desensitization in receptors, I could go on and on and on.
And this coming from someone who had their fair share of hook up cultures.
And knows how damaging it can be not just to girls, but guys as well.
You’re allowed to have your opinion since your wife slept around with many men before she met you, but You can’t push that onto other people. People are allowed to have their standards.
@Exterminatore also just because you lack the discipline to say “No” to sex, that doesn’t mean every other men out there lacks self- control like you do lol.
Work on your d*ck discipline sir, you talk like as if all men were these impulsive animals without a fully developed Prefrontal Cortex to be able to say “No” to things 😂
@Exterminatore in my opinion it would change the entire dynamics of dating and it would give guys a better understanding of female nature because it would allow them to see how men behave when they're the ones w/ the options. TBH it's u and I that were living in a fantasy world but it also explains why so many guys are so desperate. Think about it. That almost 700 women between the two of us, not to mention our friends and coworkers that were doing the same thing. Thst doesn't lead a lot of options left for other guys.
I want to say it was around 2012-13 he was murdered by the "boyfriend" of a girl he banged earlier in the week. Not only are they bitter but they are also ignorant so they're susceptible to believing anything women tell them which is what creates so many simps. Much respect to u about your wife and for providing a straight answer to a difficult question. Yes girls do get laid but what u have to understand is that their only getting banged by guys like us which is what causes their confusion. Lol, your 11AM anology is spoken like a true nightlife veteran. Those things would happen pretty much everynight and I'm sure u had the debates about who got laid more promoters or security. I got a million of those stories. Once had two Canadian chick's walk up and tell me they were high on blow and wanted to have a threesome w/ a black man. Had a girl blow me in the car then saw her kissing her boyfriend in the club later that night. The industry is wild.
However I do think you have to look at it from regular guys POV's as well, and they have every right to have standards about the type of women they committ to. I can't argue w/ your POV because you very well may be right but I don't think it changes the fact that it's a hypocritical double standard that allows women to have standards but not men.
@Vegasrunner depends on the quality and what morals the girl you’re pursuing, but a lot of High quality women would Not want a men with a crazy high body count either. It goes both ways.
Don’t want to make it hypocritical like some of the redpill community say Men cannot be sluts because they can.
Honestly I’m surprised you guys actually count how many girls you sleep with (kinda lowkey creepy ngl) I just stopped counting after a certain point and lost track, but still it’s not something I would Personally find something worth bragging about, because I can see how a lot of women would not want to be serious with a man with a crazy high body count. It definitely goes both ways
@MzAsh So are you following and reading this? You see how @Exterminatore and @Vegasrunner are waffling? Even when you reach across the aisle, they still keep trying to drag others down. Objectifying women and themselves. Do you see how when women also engage in it, it enables them to act like this? @Vegasrunner was right in that a girl's history can be written on her face. We knew. They disrupted social cohesion for attention. The guys who engaged obliged in it. That's why I agree with you, judge or don't judge. Hold each other to the same standards and live with the consequences. Women really do have power, so do men, it comes with responsibility. These are the consequences of irresponsibility.
@Exterminatore @Vegasrunner You're both throwing off insecurity vibes. Women want stability and consistency.
Judge, or don't judge. Make up your mind. If you are slaves to your dicks, which we both know is so indiscriminate that it can get us killed, then you've no right to judge. This means you've no right to prefer a hot girls over and ugly/overweight/old/disabled whatever one. You've also nor right to complain about a woman's history. One of you referred to girls as "Miss Right for Now". There's no reason to believe you've changed in your current marriages. Perhaps you desperately are trying to and guilt is haunting you.
You've been judged. Mean and women who have abstained until marriage walk a path you can never tread. They can forgive you, but they can never unfornicate you. It's not being kind to women. Your job as either a Christian or just a decent human being, is to raise others up, not bring others down. Good deeds are not a path to salvation, they are a result of salvation. That's what "go forth" means. So go forth, and sin no more.
There’s a lot I could unpack in these convos, but the most important thing is that while men are busy being worried about how many bigger and better penises she has to compare him to, a truly marriageable woman is evaluating him on about 20 other things, including his attitude, behavior, how well he communicates and listens, his emotional intelligence, how he views and treats women, etc. And having a juvenile fixation on a number that he’ll never know unless she specifically wants him to know, in itself is a huge red flag. That is, unless she’s a fool who overlooks this weird obsession.
@徐翊扬love
At the time I did all of this I did not follow or obey God. This is all the past.
I think MzAsh hit it right on the head. Penis envy. That’s what this is all about. You guys don’t want a girl who potentially was with a guy who had a bigger penis than you might have.
Look how passionate you are about this subject. It’s because it touches at an emotional level. You feel inadequate as a man because you are not desirable to women. Then guys with your views start talking about how you only want to marry virgins and the like because your mad. You were rejected. You guys have your cute little graphs and charts to point at so it makes you feel better about being undesirable to women and for women settling for you instead of actually wanting you. You then point to the chart and say: “well they’re all whores anyway” to make yourself feel better.
I’m not saying fornication is a good thing. I’m not saying I haven’t committed a gross and excessive amount of sin in this area considering God’s standard is to have only one sexual partner for life. I’m not saying what I did was right on the grounds God commands otherwise.
What I am saying is you guys that say this stuff are jelly. It’s that simple. You may be an exception to the rule considering your obedience to God, which few if any people care about in 2023, but the rest of guys who talk like this are butt hurt plain and simple. Many of these guys are disqualifying women when the reality is they should probably be glad to get any woman to be their girlfriend or wife period.
@Exterminatore. ^^^You’ve volunteered us an unsolicited thesis on the subject repeatedly making the same mistakes.
@MzAsh @Exterminatore You don’t get the rewards without the rules. If you have one spouse holding all the cards in any arrangement, they’re both going to be poorer than if they both felt valued, in any degree. The pecking order is Complementarian>Patriarchal>Matriarchal as far as standards of living. Complementarian is becoming more egalitarian as society becomes less dependent on physical labor. A lot of blood has been spilt learning this.
So, I’m going to defend men and say if you have a woman who earns everything and controls everything, don’t be surprised when your spouse turns into a lazy slob who sits at home doing nothing and/or cheats on you whether you were faithful or not or fornicated. Vice versa. But in practical terms, since we all know men and women predominantly don’t value these traits equally, when I hear women say something like “there’s nothing sexier than a guy who knows the benefits of his health insurance plan.”, I’m going to respond “there’s nothing sexier than a woman that knows how to keep her legs closed.”
My marriage began egalitarian but as things shift, I’m earning more, making more decisions, and paying out more, he’s also shifting into a more supportive role, and that’s fine with me as long as he’s willing to cooperate and contribute where I need him to, because I’m certainly not going to do it all. He won’t be lazy, he won’t cheat, and he won’t put up a chauvinist “keep your legs closed” attitude because for one, I chose well by choosing a man that doesn’t act or think like that to begin with, and he knows that his life is better with me in it so he doesn’t want to fuck around and do anything stupid to lose me.
@NeuroscienceFan in my opinion part of your struggle is your need to add qualifiers. By adding "high quality" to the word woman you reserve the right simply say that any women that contradicts your belief is disqualified. Reality is HV men sleep w/ a lot of beautiful woman and society values beautiful women. Technically only I said I keep count @Exterminatore does not. That may be true for you, but when you're a man w/ lots of options that's not really an issue. History has shown that women like men that have proven that other women want them. That's why we said every guy should spend a year if their life working on the strip.
@love_conquers_lust I think you tagged the wrong person. I didn't mention anything about written on a girl's face.
@love_conquers_lust It's unfortunate that you feel insecure but I'm not sure what that has to do w/ me. I also am not sure what your "judge" comment has to do w/ anything I said. I worked hard and accomplished a lot so I have the right to spend my time w/ whatever woman I want. Perhaps if you better yourself u can do the same in the future. I think you've also mixed up the comments. I'm not complaining about a woman's history, I like sluts which is why I've banged so many, however I certainly wouldn't commit to one that's crazy. Also I'm not married because I see no value in giving my time and resources to one woman.
I'm not a Jesus freak so I wouldn't be the best person to share your religious beliefs with.
@徐翊扬love
Unsolicited? Is that not the point of this website? To ask questions and also reply to the answers of others?
Read @HiveBee response to this question. That is 100% correct. Not whatever pseudoscience or pseudo psychology you get your information from. He stated articulately what I could have only hoped to so well. What he said is absolute fact and the law of the jungle no matter how much emoting guys and gals do about this subject.
@vegas
Does not what? I think I’m missing your point as we all have lengthy answers and I can’t find what you’re replying to.
You are right history has shown that women like men other women have accepted. Throughout the years many girls asked my body count and found it hot. My current wife included. In her mind, she landed the one all the others could not. She landed the one all the others were after. The same is true with my ex wife. The same is true with many a girl that made her way into my dwellings. They thought it was hot because they thought they had a chance to seduce me into a relationship with them. I also think they thought it was hot they knew I did not need them. That they were easily replaceable. That I had my choice of the litter. To them I think that made me valued more as all the girls were trying to land me.
That was true not only in Vegas but everywhere I went. HS in NY, in CA, in NC, in Vegas, in FL. Apart from the party atmosphere of Vegas I never had trouble meeting girls and always had them throwing themselves at me. Having many options in the dating game is good. It means I don’t have to settle for whom ever would have me. I was in the drivers seat, not them. Some girls don’t like that. It negates the power of their vagina. When I can simply get inside another one at the flip of the switch. It means they will not have the power in a relationship. That I will drop them so fast their heads will spin without second thought. They don’t like it because they have to play my game and don’t like that idea.
@MzAsh Tecnically I would be the bigger better penius. in my opinion that belief is rooted in your personal hatred of men, and the lack of success in locking down a HV one. What's interesting is that I've never once complained about a womans body count, in fact both @Exterminatore and I agree that it's not a big deal. The difference being I wouldn't commit to a woman w/ a high body count. The conversation has shifted to us because we are a reflection of the men who actually get women while your philosophy only works w/ the men that don't. While those same women are evaluating those 20 things I've already f***ed them and chucked them so it's completely irrelevant for me. However if I did decide to commit to one woman she would have to have an acceptable body count for me. If she doesn't then back to the streets she goes. I can demand that, but I understand that so many lower value guys can't which is why they take the position that they do but if those guys are comfortable knowing that I was inside their woman, then more power to them. The truth is woman they to control sexual leverage and view promiscuity as a way to do so.
Thanks for the shout out lol.
I'm not reading all this shit though from these dummies. I don't need to rot my brain any further.
I think it is a natural thing that guys don't feel good about the fact that a woman he likes is having a lot of sex.
That is something every man goes through.
So y'all can extrapolate all the shit you want from that fact. But that is a fact.
Also like I said, you're all just animals doing the mating dance. It's real science. It's called sexual economic theory and they even debate with feminists on deep topics such as these male female relations and the nature of human sexuality.
@MzAsh It’s not chauvinist if you choose to. It’s not to be imposed, it really only works IF you choose to. It’s the worst to have no choice at all. You each make your own covenants. After that, what he does is not your decision to make. What you do is not his. You don’t like it? Then it’s not your path to take. I’ve already implied if you start building a list for him, you better be prepared for one built for you. I hope it works out for you. We need more happy people in this world.
I’m not a priest. I’m a confirmed catholic who didn’t pay all that much attention in Sunday school. I was what my parents called, an easy child. I had internalized some from them. Scripture just happens to reconcile with it. It all was motivated by trying to make girls truly happy, try.
@Exterminatore @love_conquers_lust made the statement that we both keep count. I told him that you Don't. (Does not) TBH sounds like we share the same mindset because I agree w/ everything you said, and it's no surprise we come from similar backgrounds. B4 thr nightclub industry I was a college basketball player and have had my choice of women my entire life. in my opinion what frustrates a lot of women is that the power of vagina only works over guys who can't get girls and they don't want those guys. You hit it on the head, having options in dating is good however most guys don't and they're jealous of the guys that do.
Vegas, we’ve talked about this. I evaluate men based on their ability to be good husbands, and you evaluate women on the ability to possess a vagina. You’re out of the running to ever have a committed relationship, unless you had a serious come to Jesus moment, but I’m not sure holy water help you at this point. 😂
@HiveBee You’re better off in Africa than you are in than the Western world where it’s purely capitalistic. You called us animals, so go be with your kind. Libertarians fall under patriarchies that don’t believe in rule of law. The only rights you get are the rights you take. That’s why they treat women as property using them as human shields rather than defending them (that’s exactly how Osama died). That’s why no one gives a shit about Africa and why the middle east and Islamic nations get carpet bombed. They lose.
*In Africa where it’s purely capitalistic than in the Western world.
@MzAsh False, I evaluate them on their beauty, and T&A. I'm a 6'2 College educated former pro athlete black man that makes over 6 figures annually and owns multiple businesses. Being in a relationship is one of the easiest things in the world for me. I simply choose not to because I'm smart enough to realize that I can get what I want from women w/out having to deal w/ the BS that I don't. The average guy can't which is why he pretends to put up w/ it.
@Vegasrunner You can join @HiveBee. You’re a vain charity case, you don’t belong in the West.
Evasion, deflection, ad hominem.
My scientific perspective conflicts with your Christian morality.
When in fact, they mesh perfectly together.
Human beings have base instincts and they are NOT moral.
God says to no longer sin. That means rejecting indulgence in earthly delights.
That means recognizing that you're animals competing for sexual value.
But the reality is, is that you are a man and every man struggles with the realization that the girls they want fucked someone else.
In order to explain what is little more than a basic instinct (or even a socially constructed mental phenomenon as the feminists would argue) you have attached a woman's sexual exploits to religion.
The Bible says do not sin. Do not have sex before marriage. All that.
And you act like that is a fact of reality. Not a personal thing for you to live in your own life.
But an absolute moral reality of existence itself. Of course because God said so.
Well that's nice for you.
Whether you believe in that or not has zero bearing on truth, on women having sex or not.
You and all your religion guys can go ahead and stop fucking women who had partners.
I'm sure the women will not miss you.
Sorry, it's a liberal society out there. We have freedom and shit now. Women have freedom too.
That's too bad. It's all against God. We are all going to endure the eternal molestation of flame.
You too. You have been a bad boy.
You might have options for fun, but any why would a discerning woman who has honored self control with her sexuality settle for someone who hasn’t? If you’re going to be a hypocrite about this, what else one would have to wonder. Why would she take a risk being with a man who has no idea how many kids he could have that he doesn’t yet know about but one day might have to share his time and resources with? Women would rather be with a man who lives up to his own standards and can honestly say he’s knows for a fact no woman has ever carried his dna to term.
@Exterminatore @MzAsh
I believe in free will. This means that any statistic that one finds about dating and marriage is BS.
Why is that?
Because people are capable of engaging their rational faculties. A person is capable of recognizing with their own minds, the importance a relationship has.
Any person is capable of having a great marriage or raising children.
These things are things that any person is capable of learning to do.
Learning to empathize for example, is a skill greatly needed in a marriage. And to empathize IS a skill that IS learned and IS taught to little girls but not so much little boys.
All the dummies out here are arguing why women shouldn't be fucking.
Whether it's because GOD says women fucking is a sin, or if they argue that some kind of biological phenomenon CAUSES the woman to no longer be capable of having a marriage or loving her kids.
By what mechanism? What genes? What evolutionary psychology theory? (There's plenty of those and nearly all of them are bunk I can reference leading edge researchers on that one if need be)
All of these things are constructions mean to enforce morality and to compete sexually.
We are capable of stepping outside of that animal perspective and wake up and become humans.
To engage our rational faculties in pursuing our goals, whether spiritual, work, love, children or other. All ends are capable of being achieved through focused effort. Focused engagement of the mind in acquiring knowledge about those values a person wishes to obtain.
Sure, you can argue that most people ARE stupid animals and all of these silly little rules will over all help them live their lives.
Their Christianity and their energy and their theories about human nature. It doesn't tell them how to live at all but it helps them cope and it helps them continue to survive.
If only those people recognized their potential. If only they fucking woke up instead of being stupid apes forever.
@love_conquers_lust You literally aren't capable of going back and forth with me. That is very clearly evident.
Ask me absolutely anything you want me to be very specific about and I promise you I can expand upon the topic MASSIVELY.
I could write books and books worth of shit for you to read so I could sit your low IQ ass down.
You're literally one of the MANY extremely low IQ dudes on here just fucking spewing gibberish all the time.
And you have just enough coherence that you almost seem as though you could be reasoned with.
Absolutely not. You're not capable of employing reason.
I think you just look stupid to everyone. But hey, who am I to talk? People hate when I say things too.
@HiveBee You’re waffling, too. “Also like I said, you're all just animals doing the mating dance. It's real science.”, then “ We are capable of stepping outside of that animal perspective and wake up and become humans.” and “ Sure, you can argue that most people ARE stupid animals and all of these silly little rules will over all help them live their lives.”…all over the place.
You’re misquoting scripture. Stop talking, back up your mouth, go live with the apes. They’re as free as free can be. Those are your kind.
Are you going to start telling me race and gender don’t exist because we’re all just animals?
@love_conquers_lust You are Literally capable, as a human being, to control your own life.
There is no "women who have too much sex cannot have good marriage and raise kids."
Human beings are capable of obtaining values, by using their BRAINS to LEARN how to obtain those values they wish to obtain.
People are perfectly capable of living reasoned rational lives.
But your advice is not for the rational person. The rational person goes about their life and has zero issue with people who freak out about ither people's sexual conduct.
Because to be a rational person means to step outside of all that crap and see it for what it is.
Mental constructions created by people who have yet to recognize that they are human beings with real free will and agency.
But you'll evade the things I say again and when you do I will cease to reply.
@HiveBee “ You are Literally capable, as a human being, to control your own life.”. Better, but redundant.
“There is no "women who have too much sex cannot have good marriage and raise kids."”. That’s pretty much only you who claimed anything otherwise.
“ But you'll evade the things I say again and when you do I will cease to reply.”. You won’t be missed. Go find your people since you refuse to belong in the West.
@love_conquers_lust TY for sharing whatever that was.
@MzAsh I see your confusion. I'm the man women aspire to not settle for. They settle for the 5'5 guy that works at Walmart. Women make decisions based on emotion what sucks for them is that they caliber of man that they want understands this and knows how to exploit it. A man having kids only provides more social proof that other women are willing to sleep w/ him. Reality proves you wrong as most woman would much rather share the top men vs settle for a faithful man that can't attract anyone else.
@HiveBee
I would completely disagree with your perspectives on Christianity and morality, however pretty much everything else you stated on this subject I fully agree with. You nailed it. There is no correlation between promiscuity and being a good parent or being a good husband or wife or anything else. These are all things people choose to either do or not do and can be learned for those who do not know how to do them.
@vegas
We pretty much have the same mindset on this stuff and the fact of our combined body count being around 700 I think exemplifies that we know exactly what we’re talking about. Subjectively the evidence is there, as our mentality determined how we’d handle any given situation with women and clearly we correctly did so with the aim of sex based on our subjective experience.
Lots and lots of people programmed to think very stupidly about this whole matter. Lots and lots of propaganda, mainly projected from men who couldn’t captivate a woman’s attention for 5 seconds. These these same men think they’re in the know about this subject when clearly based on our own experience they don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.
@徐翊扬love
Wanna know why Africa and the Middle East get bombed? To make money for the military industrial complex. So they can sell endless arms and munitions to allow us to be equipped to fight our endless wars. Not that I’d presume you served or went to war as I did…twice. I’m sure this is just another example of you developing views based on propaganda.
We go to those places to steal resources, mainly oil. This is what the oligarchy that rules us wants. They think noting of the trail of bodies left behind. So long as it lines their pockets. War is a very profitable business to be in. Why, just look at Biden bankrupting our country for the Ukraine so they can sell lots of munitions and military equipment.
@vegas
You’re exactly right. Women want to have leverage over sexuality. Hence the age old attitude of: “I have the vagina, so I make the rules.” Hahaha. Not when it comes to guys like us they don’t. We make the rules. We can make the demands.
That’s the only true power women have is their vagina. Which they wield with unbelievable power over the overwhelming majority of men. Men who have been brainwashed by feminism. Who are busy running around respecting her royal highness with the coveted vagina and emotional reasoning.
I think one must be a sexist and a maninist to a large degree to understand the dynamics of things in this relm and to know how to navigate them.
Let these fools continue to put her royal highness on a pedestal and worship her, hoping that just maybe she’ll grant them access. They don’t care to understand the facts of the matter and can’t see through the brainwashing that has in part made them oh so very desperate for just the slightest crumb of female attention and sex. In fact these types of guys think the more they kiss her ass the more likely they will be to get a piece. Completely laughable.
@Exterminatore Haha. Soldier, you are lost. Of course they bomb the middle east for oil. Natives are so busy fighting with one another, they’d destroy infrastructure. We need wells, refineries, jacks, and pipes if we can’t directional or slant drill reservoirs. If they didn’t fight, unlike other countries that aren’t infected by Islam, they’d have pipes AND advanced civilization sprawling across their landscape. But nope, they’d rather fight over who owns what because thats what they’ve been doing with Jews for thousands of years. They all claim to be sitting on the other’s holy land. So the Christian/Western world shut both of them down AND made sure their societies that treat women like property will never have anything more than sticks, stones, and hand me down weapons to defend their patriarchal bull shit ways. Read the Quran: quran.com/.../34 That sums up their entire religion. If they don’t obey that edict, they’re apostates, which is punishable by death.
I’ve got regretful stories of women leaving abusive relationships with boys from the middle east. I’ve got some of middle eastern women seeking out white men because they will not go back. The most interesting one was from a nurse who absolutely drooled over middle eastern boys but she would NEVER date one again because of the abuse she experienced.
I know this because I read both sides of the story. I know this because I ask my veteran relatives, some of who were officers, what they saw on deployment. I did what my veteran parents expected, sat my ass down, paid attention in school, didn’t join the military, took my ass to college, and treated women with respect. Or my ass got the belt or the paddle.
@Exterminatore You took orders, you didn’t give them. I assume you are a civilian now. You know god damn well you don’t lord your service over citizens. You swore an oath and just broke it. Dishonor. You still need an officer to tell you how to think? I would think all that trauma would have taught you to think more than a maggot would.
They have my draft number. If they need me, they can call me. They tried to recruit me, I told them they couldn’t match the pay of the private sector. That’s what Republicans want. Plus, as you implied, war is stupid. It makes no heroes, only widows. Republicans fear a draft more than anything, because that means jacking up tax rates which means swelling government power. So they are doing everything in their power to keep it privatized. If there is anything Democrats love, it’s war. They don’t value human life, it’s expendable to them. Quantity over quality is their mantra. Those officers who think killing is easy, are Democrat.
I would think you’d agree with me. But with all the waffling you do, I don’t expect much. But you deserve to know the truth. It’s hard for citizens and veterans to figure out, everyone is struggling.
@徐翊扬love
First of all I was a Marine not a soldier. Second of all I gave and took orders both. Thirdly, screw Islam. Lastly, who are you to tell me anything about the service or oath of enlistment. You didn’t serve. You didn’t fight. I’d recommend being silent now. You know about as much about being in the service as you do the psychology and mating strategies of women. Which is pretty much nothing.
Vegas, only a foolish little girl or an incredibly unhealed soul is that impressed with a man’s looks, money, and status to the point where she shares him with other women. Those women are the ones who come to me because they’re miserable they can’t get help with the kids, or the proper support or at home, or emotional support in their relationship. Adult relationships are built on a whole set of different foundation, one that you know you don’t have the chops for, which is why you choose juvenile relationships which juvenile girls, because that’s where you still are yourself.
@Exterminatore “Was”, a soldier. You don’t deserve what this country made you, what it gifted you out of charity. You reported to citizens of the country that trained you. Now, you are no better than them. There’s a reason the average IQ of the of the enlisted soldier today is lower than that of WW2. Most of the time, veterans who act like pieces of shit coming out of the military were already pieces of shit going in. Can’t fix everyone. Source: an officer, not me.
You were a waste to train, soldier. You need to spend time talking to veterans who faced real danger and far worse odds than you. The last generation of our best soldiers are dying at the fastest rate, I doubt you know any that were accomplished. Never once did I hear one speak like you. The embittered ones who came back boys did, though. You might be a protected veteran, but you aren’t protected from being an asshole. I’d much rather have a draft than deal with people like you who think they run shit. You can ship your ass to Africa, too.
@Exterminatore All true however, there's no way for them to know w/put exprience. in my opinion the issue is they listen to a POV from any woman and take it as gospel because she represents their only female interaction.
I personally don't believe there is anything wrong w/ a man having standards for the type of woman he commits to whether that standard be beauty or sexual experience. I find it ironic how soany are willing to attack those men for having them.
@Exterminatore Correct and in my opinion thats why you have so many frustrated men and women on the dating scene. The average man gives his attention to the average woman but she doesn't want him because she's giving her attention to us and we only want her for a short time. So both the average man and all woman complain about how all men women are trash and they can't find anyone. Meanwhile we're both confused as to why it's so difficult for guys to get girls. I like that we come from the same industry but it's starting to make me realize how few men actually have success w/ woman, because if you're not from the Vegas nightlife, a military or sports background, then a lot of these guys aren't going to have the exprience to learn how to deal w/ women. I also think it's a bit harder for younger guys 25- because they kind of get a raw deal.
@MzAsh Then based on what you say the majority of women are "foolish little girls" because reality shows that is what they are impressed w/ and have been since the beginning of time. in my opinion part of your issue is that u spend more time trying to shape reality vs accepting it. I think I educated you on this previously but overwhelming majority of successful men throughout history have had multiple women. Kobe Bryant literally went on National TV and admitted to banging some chick in Colorado while his wife was sitting next to him, and they have murals to him all over LA. Women will always look for someone to complain to, so making a business out of it is prudent, however until someone forces them to take accountability for their own decisions they will always be miserable. It's also why it's so much easier fir gimuys like myself ti have success because we understand how to take advantage of these female insecurities. We also under that the shaming tactics are last ditch efforts from women unable to handle the realities of the world.
@MzAsh Interesting phrasing. "BS" is a general term which incompases a long list of things far to complex to articulate in this format. However the over arching principal would be insecurity which you've displayed in your question. I dont "feel" like Im avoiding female BS, all men recognize that dealing w/ females includes a ton of BS. however because of female insecurities few are willing to acknowledge it. I learned this formula from a woman years ago and its even more applicable today. Woman are painfully insecure since they are insecure people are reluctant to tell them the truth. Since people are reluctant to tell them the truth they live in delusion. The delusion is reinforced by men, typically inexperienced ones that are afraid to tell women the truth for fear of losing them. Experienced HV men like myself understand that women need us way more than we need them, therefore are less likely to deal w/ said BS. This is what leads to a market for your businesses because so many women are confused as to why they can't get the treatment they want from the man they desire. What both you and them fail to understand is that men don't tolerate women for their personality, career or any of the other bs society pushes. The obvious reason men deal w/ women is for sex its just that it is hurts your feelings to admit it, so much like the original formula we don't tell you the truth which only feeds delusion like thinking you can teach woman to settle for average men, or that HV men are going to cater to them.
@MzAsh. Are you done? This is the core problem with feminism, it requires intense amounts of mental effort to put forth unsound valid arguments when going against natural order. The “adulting” and the “unpacking” is code for coping. @Vegasrunner already explained the “BS” before, and you keep trying to pick it apart fishing for cracks in restatements to somehow validate your opinion. “We all know if angry, slut shaming men could hack it, they’d sleep with an exorbitant amount of women and they wouldn’t give a shit who had anything to say about it.”. ALL men are slut shaming you. Slut life, no wife. Slut is, sex biz.
Your sexual history MATTERS. The more promiscuous you are, the less attractive you are to guys who want long-lasting and fulfilling relationships. You will, not, get, the same reverence as women who abstained, whether by their choice or not. He made it clear his prerogatives change with sluts “…can’t turn a hoe in a housewife”. That’s the way it has always been. Reap what you sow. Turning over a new leaf does not erase your past actions. Accountability. The bible teaches forgiveness, NOWHERE does it say this mean you are entitled to a relationship. It gives guidance on how to lead a virtuous life OUTSIDE of one as well as inside. That means @Vegasrunner and these other two idiots aren’t deserving of a wife to their standards. It’s funny, @Exterminatore agreed with me, “…screw Islam.”. Yet still engages in the same behavior they promote, AND they beat women.
@MzAsh Your original comment wreaked of insecurity. Withholding truth about your history already lays a bad foundation for a relationship. Doubting whether you can trust a man’s word on his history or you on yours speaks more to you in this case. You’re afraid of judgment and rejection. You’re suspicious because you know what you’ve done. It’s why I’ve repeatedly said, men of god don’t fear judgement. PEOPLE of god don’t fear judgement if they live moral lives. You WON’T get the rewards without the rules. Really, you’re doing more harm than good to people like @Vegasrunner. You guys just have to learn and accept that you literally and figuratively fucked up. When Jesus said “take up your cross, and follow me”, that means carrying the burden of your past sins forward through the rest of an unsinful life.
@Vegasrunner You’re a negger. You neg women to lower their self esteem so they accept you. What you THINK you’ve earned is Western society propping you up out of sympathy. Most of it is in the form of predatorial anti-white and anti-Christian diversity pushing bull shit. Athletics popularity is on the decline. With the recent ruling on race based Affirmative Action AND the outcry from the Left to remove legacy admissions which INCLUDES athletics, opportunities to your demographic are going to start drying up. I doubt the legitimacy of any “businesses” you claim to have that weren’t Affirmed, which undoubtedly will come under fire in the coming years. That’s why I said you need to take yourself to Africa to be with people who promote your mindset. All three of you, that’s where you belong. You need to reevaluate.
Love, I’m far from done here. like I said, it can matter to a man… but a man’s attitude matters to a high quality woman, and women like me don’t tolerate men who slut shame, whether it’s slut shaming against us or anyone one else. That attitude matters to us, and we can afford to reject that attitude and still marry a better man who won’t ask such a juvenile question, I married a man who doesn’t slut shame and we just hit 16 years together. He’s never asked me my number, and I respect that about him. He knows that it’s not his place to dictate what accountability looks like for me, and I respect that about him too.
Also, I respect your religious beliefs, but I’m not religious in the traditional sense and I’m doing just fine. I’ve written my own rules and gotten exactly what I need and want. I don’t tolerate this evangelical policing as much as I don’t tolerate slut shaming. You’re not going to guilt trip me, shame me, or scare me into submission on a topic I’ve already lived long enough to know you’re giving me crap that doesn’t apply, as bad as you want it to.
@MzAsh Then he doesn't truly know you. If your love was unconditional, it ultimately wouldn't matter then, would it. So, you don't know if it's unconditional. Lead a horse to water. You can't control those preferences, and you won't. You can attempt to intolerate it yourself, but no one else has to tolerate your intolerance. Especially something that is predominantly attainable by everyone. A person who lives without shame/regret is someone who hasn't lived. Perfection is no be chased, rarely is it ever attained. Like I've said, the choice is yours. But there is empirical, real world consequences to the pecking order. It's not fair to other women who had more self control than you. That's why I say, even dog faced women will get a bump because of it. Most often, those women take far better care of themselves than promiscuous women because they care more about their well-being, then negative traits of theirs all of the sudden become tolerable. That's, the way, it is. This is just the initial screening. Then the real work begins of growing together <-I don't understand why your focus isn't on this, whereas your answer to the topic at hand should be a concise "Yes, it matters". End discussion.
I wouldn't suggest blowing up what you have now. But, if this is your profession, I HIGHLY advise you do the ethical and WISE thing and tell younger generations the truth that wasn't told to you. You are going to spin your tires until the end of time on this one. You call abstinence juvenile, and you call preference for promiscuity (practicing on women) from men juvenile. There's no winning with you, just an erasure of all accountability that says you think you can do whatever the fuck you want free of consequences, this isn't the 60s. Future generations need to know so they can make informed decisions. Not biased ones that were fed or not fed to you and me.
@love_conquers_lust TY for sharing, however much of it is incoherent and has little to nothing to do with the discussion. I certainly hope you feel heard.
@Vegasrunner ^^^All of that, negging. Which parts do you think are incoherent or irrelevant and why? Quit dog whistling, be specific. You can passive aggressively talk down to people like a boy or you can back it up. Let’s see if you are courageous enough to tell the truth.
@vegas
Why are all these guys so emotional about this. They act like their lives are at stake. Like they put all this stuff out as if it’s an attempt to discourage women from sleeping around, so they’ll think: “gee I better not sleep around, no one will want me.”
We live in a different time now. It’s a post Christian society. So the morals are gone. Not that people didn’t whore it up in the past, it was just fewer and they didn’t advertise it. People used to marry in their early twenties. For most of human existence life was short. So reproducing when young was essential, after all, they might not live long enough or be healthy enough to have children of they waited. Now that’s gone. Girls are working on careers and getting through school and other endeavors. They don’t always want to be tied down in a relationship when they’re early. Others would rather try their luck in landing what they see is an optimal guy while they are young and hot enough to do so.
So why are these guys so emotional about this? Is it desperation? Is it they think there will be no girls with a low body count by the time they find one? What is their problem.
Moreover, why do they hate guys like us? You’d think they’d try to learn from us. Whatever we do to get laid can certainly be applied to just getting a girlfriend. Although I’m not sure this can be taught. You can’t necessarily teach people to understand the psychology of women, you can’t teach someone how to read people and how they are perceiving you as a potential love internet. I think that comes naturally. You’re born with those skills. Perhaps they could be learned, but I don’t know. Anyway, why do they insist on hating us. Instead of being jelly, why not go to those who have success with women and try to learn?
Certainly you must notice the over emotionality in a lot of these guys posts. They reek of desperation mixed with a bit of jealousy. If I can discern that from typed messages, certainly girls can see it in person.
@vegas
It’s just baffling to me. I guess if I did not have success with women and I wanted to have it, I’d try to learn. I’d seek those who knew and try to gain knowledge.
Guys seem so oblivious about women too. How many times have you seen a question on here that goes: does she like me? And the description is we were texting for a while and then she suddenly ghosted me, does she like me? I be just reading these and thinking: “no dummy she doesn’t like you or you’d not be just talking but hanging out regularly. No girl is ever gonna tell a guy, thanks, but I’m not interested. They make excuses, break dates, and ghost. If a guy likes a girl, he’ll make time to see and talk to her. No different for women. This for example is so basic, but it’s like these guys don’t understand. They don’t seem to know a lot of them when she’s flirting or just being nice. To me it’s pretty obvious. They don’t seem to understand when I chick is not interested. Like they make fools of themselves trying after some girl who told them in a round about way they aren’t interested. They don’t understand how women communicate. They tend to be more subtle.
Yet they’re mad at us because we understand these very basic things and much much more and capitalize on it. I don't know. Seems like they should be picking our brains and trying out how to be successful, but seems so many pout and get bitter because they’re lost in the sauce in these matters.
@vegas
Like look at love conquers lust mentioning negging. By this I assume he means laying a bit of an insult on a girl. Sometimes that works. Particularly if she thinks she way better than you already. I bet he doesn’t understand why it works in some cases. He doesn’t understand that she thinks she’s way too good for you. When you do that it shows you got balls. It shows you got confidence. It shows self respect when she already doesn’t respect you. It puts her on her heals. Makes her reassess you. From there you better be able to follow up in holding a convo. You better be able to swing the momentum to where she becomes curious and starts to chase you.
Yeah, it might knock her down a peg, but women know how to read most men pretty well over all.
Just knocking a girl down a peg in self confidence will do nothing. She’ll just reaffirm her views and dismiss you or maybe even resent you. No one ever got a girl by knocking down her self esteem. However you can put her back on her heals long enough to let your charm and whit and gift of gab flow. If you got decent looks, she might change her mind.
Girls want someone who is equal or superior to how they see themselves. They want higher status not lower. Otherwise what’s to be attracted to?
So this guy mentions negging, as if you could just bust some chick chops and she’ll open her legs.
This is what I’m talking about. These guys don’t even know what they don’t know. They don’t understand how women think, and yeah, they’re all different but they’re all kinda the same.
@Exterminatore “Gift of gab”. Or is it shit talking. Serious lack of humility.
@MzAsh. is justified in her concerns about being scared into submission. There are secular holes in the bible where it speaks of the paranormal and life beyond this one. They don’t know what the fuck lies beyond, not a single religion does nor do atheists or obviously agnostics. We’re not allowed to know. We’ll never hear from the departed in this lifetime. That would corrupt our purpose. That’s a valid argument, the soundness is indeterminate. So, a woman shouldn’t face eternal damnation because she won’t “submit” (copulate) to her husband. That makes Christians no better than Muslims in that regard. Although, Christianity does not condone beating women if she refuses which can effectively constitute rape. The body is the temple of god, housing the soul, it should be treated as such. But saying she’ll face eternal damnation, they’re not being truthful, it’s mental abuse, negging. We don’t know for certain how god will judge. We use our feelings as a guide. When priests said god “speaks” to them, it was a metaphor for emotion. They were literally “speaking” to illiterate masses about scripture. Damnation was a tool of the Old Testament that substituted for the lack of secular laws to get people to comply.
@Exterminatore You complain about jealousy and entitlement. Guess what, you aren’t entitled either. When I listen to some of these promiscuous women, especially abused ones, I hear crying out. It’s not being kind to indulge them in “taking dominion” over their bodies by THEM indiscriminately fucking anything and everything and then discarding them. It’s their way of being acceptant and declaring their autonomy and independence. But it comes with consequences. Forsaking love for lust, in seeking both in their own way.
That’s why I said, they don’t have to stay on that path if they don’t want to.
Regardless, you and your butt buddy comrade @Vegasrunner want others to follow in your sinful footsteps and seek forgiveness, that’s not going forth and sinning no more. You don’t give orders, soldier, negger. You both can lead yourselves back to your own kind, see if anyone follows.
@徐翊扬love
What are you talking about? I can’t speak for Vegas. You make it sound as if I was out there lying to and manipulating women for my gratification. Dude when you go to a bar or a club and you see these girls all slutted up, what do you think they’re looking for? What do you think a lot of these girls on sites like Tinder are looking for? Outside of an obvious one night stand scenario I made it clear I was not looking for any relationship when asked. If I say that and they think they will say they’re fine with it in some attempt to manipulate me into a relationship that’s not my fault. Not all girls are looking for a relationship. Some are just looking for a little fun while on vacay. Others are busy with life and just looking to get their sexual needs met. I didn’t abuse anyone and I’m not responsible for anyone’s decisions.
I’m not telling you my lifestyle in the past was wise or good. It is what I did however.
For the record I never did the pump and dump. I had a whole bull pen of girls I’d hook up with regularly or one night stands. When one of the girls decided she wanted to find a relationship, I’d add a new one to the bull pen. This way I had a tun I could call at any time. If one was busy, no prob, I got 8-10 more. They knew what I was about. If they got clingy or started showing up unannounced then I dropped them. I was clear what I was about. If I find one girl whose just willing to have sex when it both suits us, guess what? She many not always be available. So I needed to have quite a few so I could get it when I wanted knowing it would work out with one of their schedules. Simple as that.
You make it sound like I was taking advantage of someone or running a prostitution ring, or using cunning and manipulation to beguile them. That is untrue. All I did was see a girl was looking to get laid and spit my game. Half the time these girls came on to me. I didn’t even have to try.
What in the hell are you talking about with entitlement?
@Exterminatore Your path, not mine. “ All that can be summed up by two words: jealousy and entitlement.”. Your words in another thread here, not mine.
Here’s some more free insight. On paper, the moral “high value” guys and the guys who can’t “pull a lineup” look the same. Many girls don’t approach them. Reasons vary, some because they don’t prefer them and others because they are scared to death of rejection. I doubt you’ll ever know the look in an honest woman’s eyes upon rejection hurting so bad it brings her to tears. That choked up, red in the face, cupping her head, sniffle, kind of tears. I bet a few come and go and lurk this site.
Whichever you think I am is irrelevant to the message at hand. While you’re out there being “indiscriminate” insulting them left and right to mask your insecurity while judging them on the most superficial of criteria simultaneously getting pissy when people judge you for your actions, I don’t. Nor do I fucking complain about some women not approaching me. I don’t fear their judgement, I face it.
So, you’re spitting alright.
I’ll level with you, as well. There is a major epidemic and a WHOLE ‘nother cohort of boys today pussified. They’re engrossed in video games and porn and their lack of personality development left them impressionable and vulnerable to assholes such as yourself who comes along and say “Here, follow me into hell on Earth.”. Girls like the boldness. They like guys who stand up for themselves, or just anything, rather than burying their noses in pointless, stupid shit. Problem is, what you stand for does them more harm in the long run. Why I’m going to continually say you aren’t kind to women and you don’t care about them, go fuck off to Africa or the Middle East where animals act like that. Stop trying to tear down a society that propped you up like @Vegasrunner out of sympathy.
@徐翊扬love
For me I had strict rules too. No married broads or chicks with a boyfriend. I wasn’t gonna have it on my conscience breaking up a family nor did I want some psycho showing up because I banged his lady. A few even lied to me about that and I ejected them immediately. I never got anyone knocked up, and never caught a disease. There have been exactly 4 girls I’ve been with out of my total body count that I had unprotected sex with. I always used a condom. Unless I’d been fooling around with them for a while, oral sex was off the table, unless again, I got to know them and their habits. I didn’t want a disease so I was careful. And I never got one.
There are plenty of girls out there looking for a good time. My buddies girlfriend mentioned her best friend was looking for a “weekend guy.” I asked to see a pic, liked what I saw and told me to give her my number. She was a busy collage chick who had needs, but didn’t have time for a boyfriend. Then one of that girls friends hooked up with me another nite at a party. She wanted to get laid and her friend recommended me. There are so many divorced women out there looking for a little post divorce fun, but not looking for anything serious. So many young girls focusing on college or career and not looking for anything serious. Lots and lots of girls on vacay or out partying for the night looking to get laid. These things are not uncommon and very easy to find. There is literally no need to have to be manipulative or cruel in the process.
@徐翊扬love
I mean you sit over here and insinuate I’m just over hear brainwashing chicks and breaking their hearts.
Did it ever dawn on you they have agency? That they have sovereign choice over their decisions? All these girls know exactly what they’re doing. You act like I used the Jedi mind trick to get them to do thing they otherwise wouldn’t, which is absurd.
All this makes you sound like a bitter, desperate incel which I’m sure you probably are.
@Exterminatore Take your rules to Africa, then, where that is common.
To all your other crap, quality over quantity. You haven’t understood a thing I’ve written if you think I don’t believe women have agency.
You sound sleazy when you talk about your “conquests”. Like you’re shopping out of a catalogue. It’s no wonder their self esteem is in the gutter.
You don’t really understand why feminism exists, do you. The first wave (pre-World War) was about purity and morality to get back at fucks like you. Post-war feminism after WW2 was about getting back at guys and girls like me because the existing system left them without good options. Backlash to the shortage of men, lack of job prospects, and lower standards of living. To fill those gaps, they turned to minorities who shared in their struggles to march for change. With it, came the rise of James Dean fuckers like you which was common in some foreign cultures, really it’s elementary school crap. They used drugs like crazy in 60s to the fight “the man” and cope with “free” love. They pushed racist and sexist legislation against white males in the 70s. As backlash for that, stagflation, and an extended & unnecessary war in Viet Nam, Reagan disempowered the shit out of Big Brother gov’t. when he slashed taxes as retribution-popped the lid off the American economy. Since then, wealth inequality and diversity has continued to grow and anti-white racism from the Left swelled bringing us where we are today. So, you’re a product of that. Part of the “diverse” racial underclass melting pot that post war feminists wanted so badly. Now, there’s backlash against it. Unfortunately, the Right propped up a fucker who acts just like you. So, we’re stuck with this immoral womanizer in Trump until someone better comes along. But one thing is for sure, the James Deans going to be getting gradually culled out of mainstream in coming decades. The same slow, gradual rise that brought us here today.
@Exterminatore I kissed my first girl when I was 5 and my first pussy when I was 8. I haven’t needed any wingman. But I didn’t sleep with any of them, that’s undue pressure on both of us. Took me less than a minute to get a girl to orgasm the first time I ate one out. Isn’t that difficult. You should have learned that after one girl. I’m not the purest, but I’m chaster than you. Fuckers like you were social rejects sitting on the sidelines slowly getting bitter year after year in your adolescence because you weren’t worth a damn in school. So, you went to the military, where they might actually give two shits about you. Now, you still carry this insecure attitude of conceit and how everyone else who disagrees is shit to you. You’re like the male version of Cosmopolitan columns. Your advice is wasted on me and anyone who wants a stable relationship. I find it funny you turned to Christianity after all that supposed debauchery.
So, now that I’ve shed my own humility and you’ve gotten a little taste of your own medicine, dispense with the insults.
I wish I had time to read and reply to all this. If anyone put this much energy into your mental health and relationships as y’all are in these conversations, they’d actually be able to secure loyalty with a good woman. Men seem to dead ass in the water at communication until they read something they don’t agree with.
@Exterminatore Still a boy, going to die one.
@MzAsh At least you know some of us care.
@MzAsh I think the flaw is the belief that losing you is a loss to a man. TBH the entire premise is absurd as your essentially attempting to make the argument that a man has no right to choose who he gives his time to. You're also being a bit dishonest, as you're leaving out the part where you settles for that man after failing to be able to lock down a HV man. Your husband doesn't ask because he wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
@love_conquers_lust All of your statement is both irrelevant and incoherent. You're making random statements and then pretending to have a discussion about them as if they were fact. I can't speak to any of what you're saying because none of it applies too me.
Vegas, I’ve already said that a man has every right to care and choose who he gives his time to. My point is that women have their choices as well, and discerning women like myself are disqualifying many men based on how they think and act, included how they think and act about women. The male fixation in body count is unattractive, especially when they use it to shame women for behavior they engage in themselves. No one likes a hypocrite, and we’re walking away from and marrying better.
Your flaw is that you you can’t seem to see out if your own head, so you have keep coming back with your baseless overgeneralizations and assumptions. Your egocentrism prevents you from grasping that your perspective isn’t everyone else’s perspective. Men have their own minds and there are many different types who value different things in life and relationships. They’re not the Neanderthals you’re trying to paint them out to be. Just because you see women as mere sex objects and wouldn’t deal them otherwise doesn’t mean every other man views women that way. There’s plenty of empirical evidence that suggests that single men are suffering and married men are happier and healthier.
@love_conquers_lust these both dudes you mentioned are definitely wayyy to old to be acting like this 😂
They’re just so mad that their “prime” is long gone, dudes prob need the pill just to get it up 💀
Anyway I usually don’t resort to trolling tf out of people and respect my “elders”
But these delusional old geezers are definitely not acting their age
They’re stuck in middle school 😆
@Vegasrunner my struggle?
Bro you’re like 45
I’m already in a serious relationship wym my “struggle”?
Are you high or something bro?
You assume that’s all you do
Sit down ur prime is gone
Get on the blue pill
@NeuroscienceFan This conversation has been way too belabored.
There’s a problem with monogamy and promiscuity. Our higher death rates, which sucks, means about 10% of women will be unmatched at the end of their lives, choice won’t matter. I think heart disease is our biggest killer or something, fatties. The tables flip right around my age. So, I’m coming up at a crossroad where they’re not going to want to have kids if I don’t get my shit together. Both these other guys have crossed it, it’s what allows them to get away with acting the way they do. Those women have three options: celibacy, lesbianism, or fucking assholes like these two. The issue I have with @MzAsh is women typically make less than men because they produce less. So, if we start favoring women in the market for the sake of having a vagina, it’s detrimental to their entire gender’s standard of living if not every guy is out there working. Feminism is it’s own enemy in this regard. We don’t have a fully automated society, as is evidenced by the rising wages of blue collar work. Some of them are cleaning up on these girls charging them out the ass for services as they don’t have the know how, time, or interest to fix their own shit. All those social services only work if there are a ton of people NOT on them. You support the most people with the most productive ones put to work. This is the reality regardless of moral philosophy.
There’s also huge cohort of single girls out there in my generation and yours going to work and sitting at home doing nothing fucking around on their phones and apps just like guys with video games. They’re fucking around, too. So, I don’t think they know what they’re in for. This will be an interesting phenomena to watch out for in coming decade.
@NeuroscienceFan There are problems and contributing factors every where. Work your ass off, pursue your happiness, and happiness for girls usually follows. Don’t let anyone push you around, pursue what you believe to be right within the law. Don’t die. That’s generally what works.
What these two are doing is not illegal. It’s just a shitty way to treat women. I think women are tougher than we might think. Every one of them will try to tie down these philanderers, but the market won’t allow it. It puts a lot of pressure on girls to be better.
@Exterminatore in my opinion the emotion is because deep down they understand that there is truth in your statement. I agree 100% w/ your different time statement. I believe these men have the right to set their standards about the women they commit to, however the emotion in my opinion comes from having their beliefs shattered. One thing you'll notice is most of these guys discuss women in hypothetical terms, because they don't have real life experience w/ women. They have a belief in their head about what's right wrong and when you contridict it you're essentially shattering that belief. Most people don't like to compete but men have to and what bothers these guys is the thought of finally finding a woman only to find out that they have competition for her. U know why they hate guys like us. The truth is about 20% of men get about 90% of women. Between the two of us we've banged over 700 women, now think about our friends and industry co-workers they probably all have similar numbers. What this means is there's a huge group of guys left put of the sexual market. You're talking w/ them. in my opinion you can easily teach people to understand female physiology. The problem is women realize what would happen if guys did this so they attempt to control by using shaming language, and other tactics, well if you have no experience w/ women you're much more susceptible to these tactics, and since the majority of guys don't get women they serve as a form of confirmation bias. Yes, I pick up on the emotion but again my experience has taught me to expect it.
@vegas
Sir, you clearly have a high IQ. That was perhaps the best response I have ever heard in my 8 years on this site. Not only did you perfectly touch on the issues regarding this but you articulated it perfectly as well.
I agree 100% with what you just said. Thank you for such a brilliant response. You are truly a smart guy as all of your statements on this question have been excellent. I’m glad someone is the voice of reason and truth on this matter.
@Vegasrunner you’re acting as if women stopped banging when they had sex with you. Promiscuous women will go and do it with many other men out there she won’t stop after having sex with you. You may not even be a memorable one specially if she’s the promiscuous kind.
I think a lot of younger guys from what I’ve heard and experiences have that “phase” where all they want is sex, but they usually grow out of it by the time they’re close to their 30s, specially if they have their life together because most people believe it or not want stability. I’ve talked with real people with even extremely high/higher body count than yours to the point where the guy had a Legit Sex Addiction, and the guy tried everything from threesomes, public, girls from different parts of the world of all ethnicities, but the thing is Dopamine induced activities will Never truly satisfy us because of the law of Homeostasis will regulate not just parts of our body, but the brain and it’s dopamine receptors. The THRESHOLD always increases, meaning the guy will need and Needed More and More stimulation just to get the same feeling as before.
I think you’re underestimating the capacity of guys today it’s not that hard to point out the promiscuous women when you see them/talk to them. Specially with social media nowadays it is pretty easy to see which women are those and to just sleep with them and nothing more. My closest friends for example they obviously proposed to Higher quality women who came from religious/Christian backgrounds who had very little to no body count.
You’re acting as if men all of a sudden are settling down for used up women. When reality is a lot of them just end up being used while higher quality guys will go for the girls with little to no body count
@Vegasrunner I’m also sorry to tell you this, but you also being a black man you are also only gonna get attention from only some women. Blacks are not that highly sought out for even on Onlime Dating Apps, and stats don’t lie on this. They usually prefer White Men over the average black male.
As a black man you will still get attention from some, but it will only be certain “type” of girls, not just that, but you’re also Less likely to be seen as someone They would want to marry because of shame from their families that comes with sometimes marrying out of your race.
But at least you guys have it somewhat better than Black females, they’re probably Statistically lower than almost every other group.
@Exterminatore Life is all about perspective. From their perspective they probably don't know who to learn from because they dont know what a guy that's successful w/women looks like.
Lol, yes I have seen those post but it all goes back to perspective. When I initially cane on this site I thought the exact way you are then I started looking at it from their perspective and if you're an average 20 something yr old guy it is very probable that you're that ignorant when it comes to women. My first week on the strip I approached more women than I had my entire life and I was already the type of guy that approached women. Well some kid that's never approached a woman and is trying to protect his feelings while simultaneously attempting to get a girl may genuinely be confused by the signals he gets. U have to remember this same kid has an entire world giving him bad advice about female nature so it only makes sense that he's confused when these tips don't work.
I wouldn't characterize it as made as much as afraid. Think about it like this. If u struggled to get girls and then someone who had a completely different POV as u actually got girls u would be afraid that they're right because if they are then it means what you've been doing is wrong.
@Exterminatore You're so right about the nagging comment but again think about how many times you've had a chance to validate that theory. He has to think like that because he's working from a scarcity mindset. This is the mindset that started this conversation, @MzAsh made the statement that a man can care but it doesn't mean a woman's going to change. We'll that's an absurd statement because no one is asking the woman to change because there's always another woman, however when you think that the woman in front of you is the only one you can get, you're less likely to execute on your standards. Women love this because it validates their belief that they are special. The irony in this is its the guy that can easily replace them that they want. How many times has a girl told you "I thought about playing games but I knew u would just find someone else"? You're completely right about the nagging but what I try to focus on is why they believe these things.
@MzAsh Your point is not applicable to the original question. The fact that You're disqualifying men based on how they think is completely irrelevant because there are millions of women in the world. On top of that you're married so u don't even count in the sexual market place. Like most woman you're attempting to pretend that your problem is mine and that somehow your advice somehow benifits men. This may fool more inexperienced men like your husband or the simps on here but HV men like me have already heard this nonsense countless times and realize you're only projecting a narcissistic belief formed from your past trauma. I have no issue getting what I want from woman therefore I have no incentive to change my way of thinking because it works. I understand my perspective isn't everyone's perspective in fact as I have stated it's the perspective of the top 20% of men. It's ironic that you claim that "men have their own minds" yet when men's minds contridict your narrow belief you start whinning. All isn't a pre-requisite for truth. It's a standard tactic used to cope for a false belief. Most men see women as sex objects the difference is most are to afraid to admit it because of shaming tactics like you attempt to use. There is also plenty of empirical evidence that suggest that married men are broker, more overweight and depressed than single men. You can find evidence for anything when your goal is to confirm a bias.
@NeuroscienceFan Yes. The fact that you are sharing about "already being in a serious relationship" shows how much u struggle w/this subject matter" You're using a female metrics for success. Men give out relationships so if u are a HV man getting into one is an easy thing to do. That's like a girl bragging about the fact she had sex w/ 50 guys. TY for acknowledging the consequence of breathing, where I'm from very few are lucky to reach 21 so perhaps I'm simply fortunate. Technically I would be in my prime rn, since men's value is in the resources they create and the assets they have. Until you have achieved those things u haven't reached your prime. This again highlights your ignorance on relationship dynamics. Women are valued for their beauty which is why their prime is tied to age. You would understand this better if u had more experience w/ women. Hope that helps.
@Vegasrunner prime in men is also connected to their age. I can’t think of a single female friend who is genuinely interested in dating a 45-50 ur old black man. Like I said you WILL get attention from some, but it’s only a certain type of girl that will be intrigued by the African American aesthetics. You have to think about it this way, it’s NOT just your age that’s a negative contributing factors, but your race/ethnicity as well. Look at all the shaniquas out there that cannot get a men to commit, of course you guys sexual market value is NOT as low as them, but it’s still in the lower barrel.
And I only pointed out the fact that I’m in a serious relationship, because you keep Assuming all men that respond to you are actively trying to get laid 24/7, when some might already be in a long term relationship lol.
I ALREADY went through that dog phase and NOW looking back I kinda cringe and I never once think about it as something Worth “bragging” about, maybe when I was in middle school/high school it’s something men want to brag about, but as you mature you realize that sex at the end of the day main purpose is to BOND, all Meaningless sex does is gives you the *illusion* of feeding an Insatiable hunger that will NEVER truly be satisfied, you will ALWAYS need more and more and more novelty x more stimulation. That’s the REALITY with dopamine, it’s the neuro-chemical responsible FOR Motivation, that desire, that imagination, but reality never meets imagination, all while your dopamine receptors are basically being desensitized or worse fried off. Then being with an actual high quality woman no longer seems as appealing anymore cause of the way you conditioned your brain.
@Vegasrunner Also AGE is a contributing factor for both women AND Men, I don't know why so many redpilled guys think they can’t get “Too old”. At the end of the day it’s really just cope and denial of the fact that they’re merely a shadow used up version of their old self which is Not easy for some weak minded people to come to peace with.
As you age, you lose muscles, your natural testosterone levels go down, your collagen also reduces which is responsible for Good Looking skin, and you might even lose the ability to function properly in bed lol. It is what it is, but you can’t tell me that’s NOT facts as men age THEY ALSO Lose value.
@Exterminatore I just saw this. TY for your kind words.
@NeuroscienceFan Now I understand your confusion. It sounds like you're making the mistake of thinking your insecurities are mine. It does not matter to me what she does when she's not w/ me, nor am I concerned about being "special" you'll know if you're special to a woman if she keeps coming back, there's nothing u need to do. All men desire sex, it's a natural part of masculinity that doesn't change from 15 to 100. I'm not sure what your conversations w/ sex addicts have to do w/ this one but TY for sharing. I'm not sure what the "underestimate" paragraph has to do with me. I haven't said anything like this and don't see any reference to religion anywhere in my comments. The same w/ your settling down statement. You're essentially attempting to make up statements and the attribute them to me, however I can't speak on something I never said.
Red pilled guys thinking they can be OLD or Ugly and still be considered “High Value” is absolutely wild 😂
What the redpill community does is try to give the ugly guys some help by telling them they can COPE and overcompensate for their unappealing looks by simply Just making “more money”. That is a HUGE lie, they only promote this so they can continue to further push and sell their “Online courses” about “How to Get Rich” lol
It’s kinda sad
But reality is for Men High Value is not just you being a walking ATM machine, but also your youth, vitality, good looks,
No matter how much redpill tells guys that guys can make up for being ugly by making more money will simply just not beat the facts.
Sugar daddies also buying into this because it is basically the male version of feminism propaganda. They hear what they want to hear.
“Oh, you’re old? You make a lot of money?” “You’re still “High Value”.
It is LITERALLY the same as feminist propaganda telling women
“Oh, you’re childless? You’re unmarried/single at 45?”
“You’re a strong independent woman”
The delusion among the redpill and the feminists is crazy 💀
And all it does is further separate young men and young women who still have a chance at having a Good Quality Life
@NeuroscienceFan That is certainly a belief you are welcome to hold however antedoctal evidence, reality and stats don't back that up. Only men unable to get woman go on dating apps nowadays so that's a terrible metric. Your goal is to build value so that woman flock to u not to sit around waiting to match w/ some girl looking for a free meal. I only went on because of Covid and they were great for me, but I am HV, so my personal experience doesn't line up w/ your feelings. Black men have and will always be an aphrodisiac to women all over the world, add in athletic background, status, money and assets and there's a smaller percentage which inherently places more value on black men for women. Visit any college town in America and see who's getting all the pussy. However I don't really discriminate and have been w/ woman of all races., so if these are issues that you're facing then perhaps u should address them. If not then why would this be relevant?
@Vegasrunner perhaps you should actually look at the actual statistics of dating apps because black men are not up there I’m sorry to tell you that, but we’re speaking facts.
Again your age is also a contributing factor. No matter how much money you claim to make will not erase your age, looks, or any of that.
Women will still take age and LOOKS into consideration.
The fact that you call black men as an aphrodisiac to women is quite hilarious because reality is you can ONLY get certain type of girls to find black men attractive.
The fact you buy into the whole redpill thing is almost as bad if Not worse then the feminist propaganda to women
@Vegasrunner 1. Statistics showing black men not the most desirable in dating apps
2. Women do take Age and Looks into consideration (no matter how much money you try to overcompensate with)
3. The redpill propaganda appeals to unattractive hopeless young men and old sugar daddies because their income comes from those demographics
@vegas
You’re welcome. You are so right on about everything you said.
You are like the father these guys never had. Every thing you’re saying is coming from a place of wisdom. It’s all accurate. I hope these guys are busy listening to this and eating it all up.
The world has been busy lying to them about the psychology of women in general and their nature in general. They have been brainwashing guys to be simps. In school, in the media, in movies, in books on YouTube and via every institution and medium of communication.
So far as I’m concerned it’s evil. Feminism at least part of the goal is the subjugation of men. It’s cutting the balls off them and making them controllable via lies and manipulation. That was part of the goal. They make damaged men because they believe men need to fail for women to succeed. I grant no quarter to feminists, though from time to time I can respect one or two that I come across. I have little respect for sissified men either. At least in hispanic cultures men are still men.
@Exterminatore @Vegasrunner You two need to watch this video. This girl is a lesbian, lawyer, and a definite leftist. But she is also level headed and at least attempts to reach across the aisle and deliver both sides of the story. I don't agree with here conclusions on where we need to go. She thinks big government, I don't. But, her points are well articulated.
https://youtu.be/U-V_xf2gAiI?si=acTQ5bNM8rwiunaY
@NeuroscienceFan I don't think being born with a darker complexion is a crime, but I don't like a lot of them based on my past experiences with them, it's how stereotypes emerge. I try to give everyone a fair chance and they usually find a new way to piss me off that's usually related to envy in some way. Some of the shit I see in media which includes news, pornography, movies, movie channels, any bull shit coming from leftist Hollywood or involving degrading women whether it's "empowering" or not is infuriating because it's not the path I chose.
I've had a lot of bad experiences with them in the past through no provocation on my part, and it does seem like I have too often been the one paying for sins I didn't commit. I could type up a novel just like these guys. But this conversation is already absurdly long. So, these two have a point in standing up for themselves. Sometimes, I think that sluts are that segment of society's way of getting back at the committed people who ended up in satisfying relationships as a way to say "hey, you fucked me over." Dog in the manger. Home wreckers. Money and finances are very much intwined with it.
@NeuroscienceFan Lol, that is False. There's a reason why young pretty woman get invited to yacht parties while everyone there must have reached a level of achievement. The fact that u have female friends only highlights your inexperience w/ women. Yes and that type of girl represents about 90% of the women in the world. You have to lmthinl about it this way. You a guy that hasn't had many women is trying to tell a guy that's been w/ 100's of women about women. That doesn't seem to have much logic behind it. The fact that you think being in a relationship w/ one woman is a male achievement only highlights your ignorance on this subject. I'm currently in 3 so does that mean I'm 3 times better than you? Perhaps in the 1600's sex was about bonding, however in the real world sex is about creating a fun enjoyable experience for your partner which is one of the reasons why I can have 100's of them while you're stuck w/ one basic female. A woman's quality is found in her beauty so I'm w/ a high quality woman almost every night.
@NeuroscienceFan Lol, that's probably because we're too busy actually getting laid. Why would any man want to erase his age? HV have to sacrifice a lot to reach status, many don't make it. @Exterminatore put his life on the line for his country and as security, so the fact that he's still around only heightens his value to the world. On a societal scale the lowest value would he a man in his early 20's as he has nothing to offer the world. How would u know what women take into consideration? You've slept w/ a fraction of the number I have, and are currently in 2 less relationships. Yes and those types of girls happen to make up about 90% of the population.
@love_conquers_lust TY for sharing this and proving my point. @Exterminatore this is exactly why I believe all men should spend a year working on the Vegas strip. This woman is doing what all women do when faced w/ information that makes her feel bad. She is using shaming language to pretend thar her problem are yours. Think about how stupid u sound, your attempting to show a video of a lady articulating male sexual frustration to two guts that have banged over 700 women? That makes 0 logical sense. If you had more experience w/ women u would understand the type of woman that says these things. She would fall into the "Mother Hen" category, not aesteicatically beautiful enough to attract a HV man so she attempts to sabatoge her friends relationships using buzzword terms designed to shame men. This is old stuff bro and our point is u wouldn't fall susceptible to it if you actually had experience w/ women.
@Vegasrunner I already said I don’t agree with her solutions. But here you are trying to objectify and dehumanize her by discounting everything she says regardless of how truthful it us. This is what @MzAsh was talking about in you live in your own little world and can’t get out of your head. If you’re going to call her a “mother hen” who can’t have her own opinion, then you should have no problem with people dehumanizing you, calling you a n**, and telling you you’re an animal that needs to be silenced and chained up. You have no right to complain by your own logic. You don’t respect any woman’s opinion whatsoever unless they agree with you on every aspect of everything, which is a low bar.
She’s a well spoken lawyer with shit opinions but knowledgeable about society and the law. You don’t seem to care about that by default. You’re lazy.
@NeuroscienceFan
1. Why would any man that can get women be on a dating app?
2. If that is true than why do 1/3 of all men under 30 report being a virgin or haven't had sex in a year?
3. Isn't it interesting that male dating coaches are all in their 30's 40's and 50's?
@Exterminatore TY. The won't listen because as you have said the world has lied to them and that message feels better to the more femine men. However one bright side of this for yourself is if you do happen to have a son, think about how easy it will be to have him dominate growing up in a world w/ "men" like these. I used to live in Jalisco, you are so right about Hispanic culture.
@love_conquers_lust It's unfortunate that u feel that she is dehumanizing however, there's nothing factual to that statement. That was @MzAsh on the video and who said anything about her not having her own opinion. The fact that you need to blatantly lie to hold a conversation proves that u don't have a valid point. Literally the only person complaining is you. I'm sure she's knowledgeable to you but that is because you aren't very knowledgeable about this subject matter.
I don’t have a problem. I have managed to get exactly what I want: a rock solid relationship with a loyal, respectful, level headed, emotionally intelligent man who doesn’t worry about juvenile things like measuring his penis compared to my exes. My only aim is to help smart, discerning women do the same, which includes being very clear on when types of men go look for, and which types to leave behind.
@Vegasrunner I said YOU were dehumanizing. YOU said it was @MzAsh in the video.
You try and pull what I say out of context while being unaccountable for anything else you say. I’ve repeatedly picked apart the vitriol that comes out of your mouth and you think you have a “gotcha” moment with the implication of a “mother hen” not having an opinion when it was a reasonable assumption based on the context of the entire discussion. Calling me a liar is an unfounded accusation. What do you feel the lie was? What EMOTIONS led you to believe that?
You were right when I misquoted who said “ It written on her face and everyone can read slut.”. It was @davado88. That was an ERROR. Do you know the difference between lie, mistake, and error? I suppose we should be grateful you prevented anyone from giving you undue credit, “bravo”. Guess what, that doesn’t make you any more right. This absurdly long conversation caused by your relentless vitriol is littered with errors and mistakes by you. If you wanted to keep score, you would be losing, by a lot. “Literally the only person complaining is you.”<-Here’s another, you don’t know what “literally” means because you’ve been arguing with @NeuroscienceFan. Your counterargument when you are caught being wrong is default gaslighting: “nope, the problem is you.”. No introspection and admission of your own faults and flaws. You can’t be a man talking like that. That’s why I keep calling you a boy and derogatory names, you keep acting like one. You don’t know what “valid” means either, or “blatantly” . Your grasp on the English language is tenuous at best.
@Vegasrunner @Exterminatore @MzAsh @NeuroscienceFan. Before even considering responding anymore, I want to know your race, gender, religious affiliation, country of origin of their ancestry (which includes yourselves), and how many generations you’ve been in the US, if at all. I want people to go on the record. We’ll see who has the audacity to tell the truth. If you want to lie, it will be there for everyone to see. No one is truly anonymous. There is a digital paper trail leading to everyone like a puzzle and people can be identified with enough effort and resources.
@MzAsh Thank you for sharing that. I worked to get exactly what I want as well. Endless NSA sex w/ beautiful women. I like how you're willing to make clear that your aim isn't to help "MEN" which makes me confused as to why any man would take your advice seriously or why you're even sharing it w/ men. In fact you're proving my point, so many beta men listen to misandrist like u because they haven't had exprience w/ enough women. I dont fault u at all you're even making it clear that u have no intention of helping men yet guys still ignore that.
I am happily willing to help men who are open to it.
I do focus my work primarily on women because, as a woman myself, I naturally relate to and understand the unique experiences and challenges women face. The personal connection allows me to provide more tailored guidance and support.
However, I am available to coach men, provided that they are coachable.
@love_conquers_lust That was meant to be a question. Is that @MzAsh in the video? I still don't see why u feel she is dehumanizing because of that. I see your confusion. "Mother hen is a label for a specific type of woman. Typically in female groups there are 4 types.
1. The Bad Bitch
2. The purse holder
3. The slut
4. The mother Hen
I don't expect u to understand these concepts because as you mentioned you're not that experienced w/ woman. However the woman in the video whoever it was false under the mother hen category. It's in writtingg so it's not unfounded, anyone willing to read will quickly realize that what u do is make a statement then attribute it to someone else and then attempt to argue based on the statement you made. It good that you recognize, your immaturity, I don't focus on derogatory name calling because I realize it is part of female nature.
@love_conquers_lust Excelent question I can't speak for the other people however for me I will only charge you a nominal amount of $5500 for this information. Please LMK when you already to send the funds and I will provide payment info.
@MzAsh Lol, If you're only focused on what women want how could u possibly help men get what they want? Focusing on what you understand is probably your best chance for success. Female dating coaches for men never work because women as you mentioned women don't understand the male exprience and can be successful in life w/out it.
@Vegasrunner Buddy, you’re both below me on the moral high ground. You and I grew up with different realities. I didn’t have to try to get girl’s attention, they came to me. On a site like this where people lie, I have to initiate with them because they’re not in my physical presence. There is no point in posting any photos because there are too many liars. I could have treated girls like an asshole or like a human being, it wouldn’t have mattered as far as getting any attention, but it could have attracted and promulgated immoral behavior. Sometimes I fucked up and did say assholish things, and sometimes they’d plead with me “Please don’t be like that, please.”. I listened, because I had a good mother and a good father with a solid religious foundation. Those girls didn’t really care if ugly fucks acted like assholes, they expected it.
Guys like you, were butthurt at guys like me. You acted shitty to both me and girls because you WEREN’T getting their attention so you acted just like you are now. I bet you are one ugly mother fucker, but it’s irrelevant. All you had to do was be a good person and it would have worked out. But you’re too weak.
@Vegasrunner I don’t agree with @MzAsh because she’s trying to be just as controlling disregarding guy’s preference for girls who are pure. She advocates egalitarianism, which benefits her more than her spouse because she doesn’t value that as much in her spouse, although I am presuming on his part. But, I almost guarantee her spouse would vomit if he learned his number was lower or equal to hers. The idea that he’d agreed with her not to ask means he may have compromised with himself, we don’t know for sure, but I doubt it. Which would put @MzAsh in a tough position because she has to bring more to the table to compensate. It sucks, but that’s reality. So, yeah, she is probably wise in steering slutty girls and guys away from others with more moral fiber. They’ve had their chance. That’s why I don’t feel all that sorry for slutty girls complaining about their lazy stay at home spouses who don’t want to do anything to better themselves.
It’s live and let live, bud. That’s why I say you people should all stay in your lanes and take yourself to your own communities and leave the rest of the good natured people out of it. You don’t belong within their community. You’re so proud you won’t admit when you’re wrong.
So, stay angry I guess. It doesn’t really surprise me you wouldn’t answer those demographic questions. You don’t need more lies in your life.
Whoever I am on a call with, I am dialed into that person, man or woman. I focus on that person’s goals during our call throughout our contract. Though, most of the content I write, including personal website articles, social media, and articles I write for other apps and media publications, targets the female demographic.
And it’s not like the volume of my experience is even that extensive. I never went ham sleeping with a bunch of flavor of the weekends like a lot of young girls do. I had a couple boyfriends in high school, was a virgin then until after I graduated. One had mental health struggles so we were on and off a lot. During our times off, we’d both see other people while in college. I dated a few other guys and enjoyed getting to know them and their different personalities, but those didn’t turn into anything serious and lasted anywhere between a few weeks to a few months, then I got back together with the one guy and moved in with him when I was 21. That living arrangement didn’t last long as his mental health struggles proved to be a bigger challenge that I could handle, especially considering he refused to be on his medications and the symptoms of that were potentially dangerous. We broke up and I met my husband and we’re still together. Boom. That’s my history in a nutshell. Pretty typical.
@love_conquers_lust what I’m getting from all this. I’m not reading every single comment lol (but based on a quick glance)
@MzAsh is a feminist possible a misandrist
@Vegasrunner @Exterminatore are two old geezers that got sucked into the redpill propaganda/cult
And @love_conquers_lust I’m guessing you’re coming more from a Christian perspective on all this?
@love_conquers_lust oh yea no my comment was not Racially motivated at all. @Vegasrunner keeps claiming that he’s basically god’s gift to women while constantly bringing up his degenerate lifestyle and body count any chance he gets, I’m just stating what the facts were that African American men are not among the most desirable in dating apps contradicting his warped ideology.
Not just that but his age, the guy is 45
@Vegasrunner women are Willing to date men older than them, but up to a certain point. At 45 or 50 you’re really pushing it. Tbh with you I don’t know any female nor have my friends heard of ANY female who would consent to sleeping with a 45-50 year old man I’m sorry my man
@love_conquers_lust i find it so interesting how the redpill rise has reached out to so many Lost young men and borderline cynical sugar daddies. While both groups/demographics are claiming to be “High value” men completely ignoring the fact that they’re either Unattractive or Old (or even both), because the redpill philosophy is telling them that they’re “High value” as long as they make certain amount of money.
I find it very similar if not the same as the female “empowerment” ideology of complimenting women for sleeping around, praising them for how much money they make while ignoring their love life. It’s essentially Two sides of the same coin, both older women and older men coping for the fact that they’re aging alone without a significant partner and the young men and women also falling for this Looking up to this “girl boss” and “sugar daddy” delusion. At the end of the day I guess it’s a result of the society we’re in and the state of degeneracy that gets promoted among unhappy/insecure individuals
Young hurt men & young hurt women*
@NeuroscienceFan Pretty much. I’m approaching the “old geezer” point. I read @MzAsh history and what I see is some guys who weren’t ready for a relationship. They needed to work out their own shit instead of dragging someone from the other gender down with them. It seems to be a common complaint from any legitimate girl on here victimizing themselves. When I say both partners shouldn’t find solutions by dumping it on others, I get furious when they call me whatever controlling bull shit insult name when I chose the path that DIDN’T make things worse. I’ve literally been called “perfect XYZ” in the past in a pejorative manner because they felt bad being around me out of their own insecurity and perceived inadequacy. I’ve lost count the number of times people would look to me for approval for their actions, as if the guy with self control says it’s okay, we must be in the clear. I got my own shit I’m dealing with outside of any relationship, and I don’t want another girl burdened with it. That’s why a lot of dates I’ve been on have fizzled out over the years, my heart wasn’t into it combined dealing with girls who were major liars about who they were, what they looked like, and slept around with out of pain, vengeance, FOMO, or whatever. Dating apps are trash right now, by the way. It naturally becomes alienating as you get older and older and I see videos like the one I posted above and I’m like “yeah, and?”. It happens, but the way these guys are reacting is making it worse. It’s why I hate those feminists who think equality means embracing the worst of the opposite gender. It’s also infuriating when I see them making mismatched claims about what men are verse what they should be. I agree they should have a choice, but that in itself is not a reason to choose it. The not judging crap is irritating.
@NeuroscienceFan @MzAsh That doesn’t sound that bad. Your original comment pretty succinctly puts it and this conversation was unnecessary. It’s a hard wired double standard that feminism tries and fails to deprogram. Marxists are creepy. They were like the flower children of the 60s and they’re sooooo weird to be around. Unnatural. Drugs, alcohol, 2nd wave Marxist feminist dogma were tools of the trade to open up pandoras box on free “love” when really it was about free “lust”.
@love_conquers_lust TY for sharing. Yes it is quite possible we grew up in different realities. I grew up having my choice of woman, perhaps you have a more scarcity mindset which is what has led to you needing a platform like GAG to try to attract a female.
@love_conquers_lust You spent all that time sharing a POV that we already articulated a week ago. The fact that this revelation is new to you doesn't make it new.
@NeuroscienceFan Lol, for thinking I'm God's gift to women, it would be interesting to know why you believe that. It's unfortunate that you're forced to go on dating apps however that isn't typically a platform needed by men that women actually want. I cab understand your frustration of nor knowing many females however this is why I believe this subject may be a bit complex for you.
@Vegasrunner gramps. I’m already in a serious long term relationship why would I be on dating apps. And you literally described blacks as “an aphrodisiac”. You’re a straight up clown. I’m just laying out the facts cause you seem very delusional my man. I guess this is how you cope with you’re past your prime and want to think yourself as a high value sugar daddy lol
Who do you think you’re fooling? Only yourself lad. Ain’t no one wanna mess with a 45 yr old man but maybe one day you will grow up and find a woman that will take you in
@Vegasrunner clearly you don’t listen either or your IQ doesn’t really resonate with anything anyone types. I’ve literally said many times I’ve already gone through that dog phase in my life and Looking back i find it cringe. You are 45 years old and still believing that shit. My dude your testosterone levels going down, your appearance is going down, your muscles going down
@NeuroscienceFan @MzAsh See, @Vegasrunner is still running his mouth. That’s part of his game. Never relent no matter how wrong he is. He’s doing the devil’s work.
However, this guy, all of them, are a dark reflection of me. I don’t disagree with him about demanding a girl be pure. Body count absolutely matters to guys when committing to a girl. So when he comes across a pure girl, he knows, he’s indebted to her. He owes her the moon and the stars because she is above him. Andrew Tate starts to have a brain aneurism when the idea of settling down is brought up. He knows he doesn’t deserve a woman like that because she deserves better than him. He keeps saying he won’t let a bitch control him while making unreasonable demands that aren’t reciprocated on his part. So, he will be forced to compensate. The guy gets so angry, it’s entertaining to watch. I hear his pain. He’s just rolling with the punches and giving feminists, at least the slutty ones, exactly what they want. That’s why I think it’s funny listening to ALL girls despise him, but the slutty feminists had a hand in creating him. He’s a byproduct of their making. He spits truth, but he chose to go down a self destructive path with that information.
@NeuroscienceFan. In my situation, if a skank wanted to settle down with me, she would be in for the most controlling relationship of her life. She would love me unconditionally. She would dress conservatively outside the house. She would strip down when she comes home. She would go to work, earn the bacon, bring it home, cook it, and serve it to me. She would maintain or improve her figure to my standards. All social activities would be run by me. If I want kids, she is staying home for the first few years to rear, which means I got to work. We would raise the kids how I felt appropriate. My family comes first. She would not talk shit behind my back nor cheat. She would tell her friends she agreed to this arrangement. She would wait on me hand and foot, because I command higher value than her. Is she strong enough, does she feel empowered enough to step up? If she can’t see herself in that future or find a way of being happy with that, then she can walk. Go back to guys like Andrew Tate who absolutely refuse to wife girls like her, or if they do, there will be far less pressure to perform. Or she can find a simp who has no self-respect that she too doesn’t respect. Or she can go back to a lesbian or cats or be alone with god, which should be enough for anyone when you have to be comfortable with yourself anyway.
@NeuroscienceFan If you’re already married, you got it made in the shade if neither of you settled. You don’t have to deal with this bull shit.
@MzAsh. You can tell your girl friends or clients or whatever to avoid these guys, but the truth is, there aren’t enough guys to go around for committed relationships. This is why:
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So when you tell me I can’t prefer younger women or that I can’t demand a low body count, I’m going to tell you to fuck off. I don’t have to give in to shit because market forces don’t require I have to negotiate on shit. Guys like Tate make it even worse for women. Feminists are their own worst enemies. If you don’t like it, figure out a way to keep men from dying so early and often. Until then, fuck off about you having a problem with my preferences, ESPECIALLY when I bring more to the table than a lot of women in regards to self control.
Men die early because they overwork themselves in dangerous jobs, eat like shit, and refuse therapy or mental/emotional inner work so their mental health is shit. Plus most have some kind of addiction to drugs or alcohol. Women need to leave these men alone until they get their shit together. There’s always other men, and if not, It’s better to be alone than to be with an alcoholic who has anger problems.
@MzAsh. No, there aren’t other men. For every girl you help there are two others that don’t get helped. We’re not interchangeable parts. You’re not much help if they end up alone. Closing their legs is the best advice ANY woman can use. Saying we’re all emotionally damaged and need therapy will piss some guys off even more. You can’t reprogram hundreds of thousands of years of trial and error evolution. We don’t have to consent to shit, neither do you. But the consequences of that are not in your favor. You can either start dying earlier yourselves or figure out a way of keeping us alive. Spawning guys like @Vegasrunner that I hate will only fuel the death rates.
@MzAsh @NeuroscienceFan Still waiting on your demographic information.
@MzAsh. Idle threats as far as I’m concerned. I told you where that path leads. I know how they feel, so do you. Loneliness absolutely does decimates these girls. Your preaching from on high in a relationship will make them resent you when they’re left standing there with their tits in their hands. Just because you let yourself be programmed doesn’t mean we have to be. They should be grateful they are getting a second chance they don’t deserve at someone who carries no baggage. Their parents lied or were mistaken or were absent altogether. They were thrust into freedom they weren’t prepared for. They’re yearning for control from what I see.
@MzAsh I love how when you talk about a problem men face you find a way to word it like it’s still men’s fault like this is some men vs women war (lol).
All these are huge generalizations and you too are also Too old to be a feminist/misandrist.
You redpilled losers and feminist/misandrists are such hurt losers while being LITERALLY Two sides of the same coin, that you always find a way to attack the opposite sex. Grow up Get a life
@love_conquers_lust you can know my age but I’m not giving much info in this comment section of freaks 😂
@love_conquers_lust redpilled losers like @Exterminatore @Vegasrunner and femcel/misandrists like @MzAsh will Only make Dating a lot harder for the younger generations and negative affect young men and young women more than their older peers, because at least young men and young women Still have a chance at a Higher Quality life, but redpill philosophy damages men and the feminist one just keeps women single.
I’m just gonna simply leave it at this.
-Hook Up culture Doesn’t Benefit ANYONE, no matter how much the feminists or redpilled guys try to say it favors women or favors men, it doesn’t help anyone. All it does is it Desensitizes you to Actually finding a meaningful serious relationship/partner (it will affect women technically more than men, but that DOESN’T mean it won’t affect men at all)
-Yes Men do care about your Body Count, but you know what High Quality Women ALSO care about a men’s body count (because it shows how he conducts himself and shows if he has the Discipline to efficiently practice Self control that a Real Man should have)
-Hurt people hurt other people. The growing numbers in the Redpill and feminists is a huge result of of girls and guys who were Once hurt that now resorted to aligning themselves with either of these two groups, and they will use any sort of Mental Gymnastics to “justify” their worldviews. Basically Cognitive Dissonance to any other information/studies that contradicts their world views
-The Quality of Life is NOT determined by materialistic/superficial things. Human beings were never made/created or designed to experience Pleasure and just pleasure all the time. Our evolutionary biology through Homeostasis will Not allow that. Trying to feed the primitive part of our brain through Dopamine inducing activities/behaviors is like trying to feed an Insatiable Hunger that will never ever be satisfied. Science has shown that both pleasure and pain are Both connected at a neurological level as a way to balance our normal baselines. Quality is determined by Balance in stimulating neurotransmitters like Serotonin, Oxytocin, Dopamine (at healthy levels), and Endorphins.
Humans are very simple creatures when it comes to living a satisfying life, but people make it so complicated by seeking “happiness” in meaningless sex with strangers, materialism, and superficial things, while ignoring the simple things that ACTUALLY do improve the overall quality life of humans. And this has all been observed in different countries, different times in history, human kind seeking pleasure is an Oxymoron because the mechanisms of our mammal brain 🧠 will just NOT allow it.
@NeuroscienceFan Yes, that’s my point. My hope is that…there is still hope for @MzAsh if she recognizes that. Younger girls will listen to her. She has more control on influence than we do on this issue because she has a vagina.
Guys like @Vegasrunner and @Exterminatore have the toughest row to hoe, pun intended. They are going to have such a hard time making an emotional connection with their spouse if ever. They truly are a product of the dark side of feminism. Tate wants a pure woman, he can’t get one, so he figures I’ll give these feminists exactly what they want and plow through all of them and kick them out in the morning. Hypocrite. Tate is doing the devil’s work, and god’s work in a sick twisted way if it turns out better.
We can do our part by telling younger guys, hey, this is what will happen if you do this. You can remain a boy for life like Tate or transcend in manhood. Part of manhood means stepping up, getting the fuck out there, and giving these girls attention so fuckers like Tate don’t get to them first.
@NeuroscienceFan And @Vegasrunner has a point that perhaps boys shouldn’t seek advice from women on this issue. Too often women think therapy and prescription medication are the answer. No, we have what we need when it comes to deciding what’s right and wrong. We don’t need to medicate ourselves to forget who we are.
@NeuroscienceFan I read a whole book on dopamine. The Molecule of More. Same shit, different authors. Left brain, right brain. Communication between the two. No one is truly left or right brained lest half their body is paralyzed. The hemispheres employ one another. Right brain is heavily dopamine influenced, the creative side. Left brain is the logical side, serotonin and here and now chemicals. Liberals tend to be right brain heavy, hence the higher fluid IQs. Conservatives tend to be left brained, hence the higher crystallized IQs. They complement one another, and endless waltz.
I do encourage women to be smart, mindful, and discerning even when it comes to more casual relationships. Don’t go ham and sleep with a garden variety of scum fcks. Make sure he’s polite and respectful, not selfish, no matter what role he is set in their life. Understand that if she sleeps with him, the relationship isn’t promised to continue for long term and she needs to be ok with that. This comes from the perspective of keeping her safe, secure in both a physical and emotional capacity.
@MzAsh That’s good. But, on my earlier point, if a slut is placed at my feet, it is not having self respect to just forgive her and let bygones be bygones. She won’t respect me either. I followed the rules of what she wants, she didn’t. So when I say, she needs to surrender some of her newfound freedom, her own autonomy, not ALL of it, I don’t think that’s unreasonable. In fact, I think it’s more than fair. It is NOT fair to me to ask that I don’t judge. I will judge, both myself and her, render a verdict, and lay out my terms for her to agree to. In time, as we grow together, perhaps she can be afforded that freedom once again, if she proves she’s responsible, if ever. Because she’s already proven she can’t handle it, she’s lost. I won’t own her, but I think she’s screaming for control, guidance, companionship, and acceptance with every asshole that discards her.
This arrangement itself doesn’t explicitly make me happy. It’s a lot of fucking work I don’t want to do. It’s hard enough maintaining myself. It’s a come to Jesus moment.
@MzAsh. Guys like @Vegasrunner @Exterminatore , or Andrew Tate have no right to make such demands. They haven’t proven themselves worthy.
Everyone deserves autonomy and respect from the person they’re in an intimate relationship with. No one can legally take that away from them. It’s better to focus on open communication and understanding rather than control. Healthy relationships thrive on trust and mutual respect, not judgment or punishment.
@love_conquers_lust I’m actually reading that book right now. I’ve also read Dopamine Nation really good book from Dr Anna Lembke she’s a psychiatrist and Chief of the Stanford Addiction Clinic at Stanford University and Im also going to read Gary Wilson’s book about “Your Brain on Porn“ also cause the topic around hyper-sexuality addiction is really something that’s been kind of ignored lately but very prevalent to the modern world of today
@MzAsh. She’s CHOOSING it. Yes, you actually legally can. That’s what contract law is. This is not an egalitarian circumstance. This is VERY unequal. All those things you talk about will occur, it has to. She won’t grow into a woman if it doesn’t. She would still be a girl. Really this is no different than women trying to fix guys, the paradigm is inverted. The difference is it’s not a game to me that I make sport of like women, it’s shit that’s going to require nobility on my part because I don’t want to fucking do it. That’s been YOUR gender’s traditional role. You want roles to be challenged? Well, this is exactly what that is. You keep preaching tolerance of other people’s relationship dynamics…
Have you ever heard a “reformed” slut come to the realization that she can’t make an emotional conmection. Have you eve heard them ask “so what am I supposed to do, be alone?”. Here, I lay out a possible path to redemption, and you’re still trying to sidestep the rules because you think being in control means having control.
@Vegasrunner Shut up, boy.
@NeuroscienceFan That's cute for your one relationship and it does explains why u feel knowledgeable about this subject. When people learn something new they make this mistake of believing they know it all. Perhaps u should return to the conversation when you've had more experience. Lol, HV men "find a woman" every night however it is telling that this is a failure that you're familiar with.
Vegas, I’ve helped men improve their dating profiles, their texting exchanges, impress during a date, navigate around being friend zoned, and how to improve quality time with spouse in a marriage, and various other goals. It all depends on their specific goal and how coachable they are.
@Vegasrunner “my one relationship”?
Again assuming
You know your age may be 45, but still the mentality of a 15 year old boy. Boy 👦
And she would be DOING that. By acknowledging that she failed and I didn’t. She would RECEIVE those things in kind. She is REBUILDING her self worth by agreeing to those conditions. I don’t understand why you insist on reserving the fixing for women, as if you have exclusive dominion over it. That’s you being selfish, controlling, hypocritical, and betraying your own movement and your own words in saying different relationship dynamics should be respected. We’re not talking about you. We’re talking about a slut.
Don’t judge? Fuck that. I will judge. We’ve beat this horse to death already. “Exercise your best judgement, but don’t judge me”. Absolute bull shit. That’s the exact OPPOSITE of what she needs. She NEEDS to learn judgement. She needs to see what it looks like. How can she be trusted anywhere on her own if she doesn’t exercise it?
@MzAsh. Unbelievable. You actually care more about what that fucker @Vegasrunner says. You condemn him and then give him ANY lick of a response. This is a lost cause. Those girls are fucked, literally and figuratively. You’re a traitor to your gender.
@NeuroscienceFan TY for sharing however I don't understand how your failed experiences have any relevance. Not sure what "shit" you're referring to if you're ask8ng if I still believe reality then the answer is yes.
@love_conquers_lust TY for being a fan of my work and I'm glad you agree w/ me however I don't agree that a man is ever "indebted" to a woman. I believe it is that limited mindset that leads a lot of guys like u to struggle w/ women. Funny thing about women, they're just people and just like people there are some good, bad and average ones. The key is understanding which ones can best benifit you and what you need to do to attract them. I realize why this is difficult for someone like you to understand, because in your head women are unattainable so any woman u get you place on a pedestal.
@Vegasrunner you are truly one sad hombre
But then again you don’t have that much time left on this earth so you don’t have much time to even suffer from your consequences
@MzAsh Noted. Too far, I apologize. Thank the heavens you don’t have a dick, because this is mild.
But, what I’m saying is…they’ve BEEN doing egalitarian shit by sleeping around. Telling them they need more egalitarian shit is not the answer. Will you please recognize that? I think it wise you put forth submission to their spouse as head of the household as an option. You’re a proponent of challenging gender roles. This is exactly that. RARELY does it work with girls fixing guys. But I HAVE seen it with guys fixing girls. My godfather is one such example who basically gave my aunt an ultimatum to get her shit together. He pretty much turned her into a baby machine like my grandmother, and…she was happy, both if them were. They never had a dull moment because there was always kids around. They mom’d the fuck out of those houses. Again, something YOU said, women should have access to.
@love_conquers_lust Ironically, it's only "guys like me" that women are looking to reproduce w/ 6'2 former college athlete, 2 degrees multiple homes multiple businesses, w/ a comprensive assest portfolio l, 6-7 figure net worth. You'll never be 6'2 or a college athlete but you can achieve the other things if you try. If u do more woman will choose you proof of this is nearly 300 have chosen to engage in the act of reproducing w/ me.
@Vegasrunner I’m 6’ 1”, played sports all my life, left that behind to pursue a worthwhile degree and graduated with honors. Not your demographic. And believe me, with your grammar and word usage, the difference shows.
But I am curious, what charity degrees did get?
@Vegasrunner what woman would want to have 45 year old black man wrinkly balls on their face 💀
Again you’re dismissing reality that not many are even attracted to your ethnicity, and your age is certainly not helping you. Sorry man but no one here is buying it. You’re old, past your prime, wrinkly old man, no one sees you as high value, but yourself. The fact that you still choose to ignore the facts and continue to believe this probably means you’re borderline narcissist, which is no surprise because you don’t need to be good looking to be a narcissist. No wonder you’re not married yet
@MzAsh. I swear to god. If you say no, you have…no, RIGHT , to say another fucking word to @Vegasrunner trying to “fix” him. Absolutely, none. You say that privilege is reserved for girls but not for guys while challenging gender roles WITHOUT men’s consent, NOT respecting our opinion. YOU, said all relationship dynamics should be respected. You’ve contradicted yourself multiple times. I ask again, yes or no.
@MzAsh. This is not abuse. There will be no beating, no violence whatsoever. We are operating under the confines of the law in a voluntary relationship. Human rights will be respected and both our covenants with god WILL be kept. We’ve already discussed his perspective. You seem quite taken with his perspective and not with anyone else’s. That’s a major problem. And only proving him right. In other words, you, CONDONE, his behavior. He’s a boy, and I know him better than you. I ask, AGAIN, yes, or no.
They do. Tough shit feminist, sexual "freedom" is good women.
A good deal of men won't ever make a former or current hoe their committed to girlfriend or wife. There is nothing special about being the 50th guy to screw her. None of those other casual flings had to do anything special for her to give it up. Why the hell would any of us suddenly risk everything to marry her or bend over backwards to be romantic and go all out to court her. The last guy just had a drink with her at the club and talked her up for hour and she got butt naked for him. Now we are supposed to love her and take her home to mom and commit our finances and home to her?
Hey women, men can stop caring about the body counts of these post birth control, post feminist, post sexual revolution modern girls who cannot make it to age 22 without giving it up to 10 different men just as soon as women stop caring about a guy's job/salary, his ambition, his height, how useful he is or how much he'll spend on you.
Men will care about what they care about whether you like it or not.
So I guess they just want everyone just to be whores and to have no moral values, just fuck whoever you want , Sadly this world is going to hell in a hand basket , people need to stop reading into social media nonsense and start opening the Bible or some shit , whether you are religious or not , Social media is destroying our minds by brainwashing all of us to believe in this nonsense , yes body count matters , it defines who that person truly is , Selfish , Body count shouldn’t matter if the person has moral values , if you get into a relationship just for sex then you are a piece of shit , if you get into a relationship looking for love and it doesn’t work out , then that’s not that person’s fault , Your past os your past , only you define who you truly are
I struggle with this. On one end I am well aware of the long time double standard that men have over women when it comes to this. Is one of the very few double standards men have over women (i. e. we get less judgment for promiscuity). Virtually everything else favors women in modern society. But I admit this is still one dynamic that still favors men.
However on the other end I believe that promiscuity psychologically screws up women even more then men. Biologically their bodies aren’t built for it. They are much more likely to cheat once they get into a committed relationship vs. a man who wants to settle down. Reason being women often get “revenge sex” when they are angry at their partners. Men cheat more out of lust.
Yeah, republican politicians learned they're never going to earn a vote by doing their job of representing the physical needs of their constituents, as that would take from the physical hoardes of the owners of republican politicians, so they instead turned to providing mental needs. But that's hard because of how intertwined physical and mental needs can be when the physical needs aren't met. So, they set out, with the help of republican owned media, to create a new mental need through addiction. Something they can supply cheaply and infinitely, minimizing the costs to the owners but maximizing the control.
That addiction is, of course, rage. Anything they might be able to get people mad about, especially if they can offer no realistic solutions, they will push in front of as many people as possible to get them mad and divided. Gender and racial differences are easy targets and exploiting the sexual frustrations of adolescent men is probably the easiest target there is..
Strongly disagree. Women should also care about a man's bodycount if you'd ask me
@JesseP1nk No, you misunderstood. What @MzAsh said was fair. She won’t care if he doesn’t care, and she WILL probe if he probes.
@JesseP1nk Well, “fair” is debatable, but it is equal if one intersects that with fair on this issue
I agree
It’s Perfectly Normal to care about your boyfriend or girlfriends body count. It goes both ways
And a lot of Reasonable guys would agree with you. Cause in the end Promiscuity ruins both genders in a psychological/neurological way
@NeuroscienceFan perfectly said!
I don’t. I think it’s stupid to do so. I also think all the “stats” that imply body count is connected to a decided lack of character are also crap made up by men who feel intimidated by a girl who was more successful in romance then they are.
People like sex. 1/2 of the population can have sex without an emotional attachment required first. That does not equate to a lack of character in other areas of life. Everyone has some dirt. I’d be more concerned about dating a know theif, a compulsive liar, a domestic abuser, or a judgmental bitch than I would someone with a high body count.
“judgmental bitch”. The irony in that statement. Judge not, LEST ye be judged. Men of god don’t fear judgement. You seem a judgmental bitch yourself judging thieves, compulsive liars, and domestic abusers.
Sleeping around is Not necessarily connected to “successful romance” and if you were actually successful with women like you claim you were in your past life. You would Know that “Chad”
More like Eugene in Chad’s clothing
@nueuro
Depends what your aims were. Miss Right Now = success for me. Wasn’t interested in a relationship of any type.
Also f*cking is romance. Not that you do much of it.
Here come the angry haters that can’t get laid. 2 so far. Where are the rest of you little bitches?
The Fact that you have to resort to insulting or shaming and gaslighting girls/guys for not losing their virginity yet and getting all on the offensive all throughout the comments just goes to show you’re insecure about your opinion on this topic.
I mean shaming guys/girls and insulting them calling them “virgins” for Not agreeing with you?
What are we in middle school?
You’re probably also like 30 or 40 years old
Grow Up 😂
@neuro
I didn’t shame anyone for being a virgin. These days I support people who wait until marriage.
What I am doing is calling BS on all you guys who are butt hurt and feel the need to try to punish women because ultimately you’re undesirable, can’t get a girl, and therefore feel rejected and angry because you’re lonely and hurt about being discarded by woman after woman. You’re mad a girl may have been with a guy who had a bigger penis than you and that someone else with your potential love interest before you. That’s what this is all about. Why not just admit it? Why not just be honest with yourself and others?
Dude it’s not very manly crying about how women are whores because you can’t get one. I talk this way when you guys gotta pull out fake stats to shame women because you can’t get one. The problem is you guys are undesirable to women. Don’t be mad at me about it. I’m just calling it like it is. Maybe instead of looking at all your fake stats you should spend the time understanding the situation so you can gain success. Nah…it’s just easier to blame women for your shortcomings isn’t it?
You’re literally trying to attack me as if I’m some sort of virgin just for having a different opinion than you 😂
Bro no offense but you’re like almost 50
Your time has passed my dude, the only undesirable male here is you. Just because I don’t want to partake in your degenerate lifestyle that doesn’t mean I’m some Virgin Mary 😂
Promiscuity in both guys and girls is not a good look, been there some that, it’s not something worth even bragging about. Grow up
That’s crazy a 50 yr old thinking the way you do, I guess some people never really reach full maturity 💀
@msc545 this exterminator dude is weird af 😂
The bro can’t get past the fact that his “prime” is long gone
All women would now see in him is as a sugar daddy that gets no sugar 💀
It’s rlly sad tho honestly cuz u can tell how bitter he is, I can sense him fuming as he types every comment just cuz people don’t agree with him or his degenerate lifestyle 😂
Just imagine bro this dude is some guy’s grandpa 💀
@NeuroscienceFan @Vegasrunner @Exterminatore This woman @mzash is a tyrant. She just blocked me. I insulted once, and I apologized after she repeatedly dodged my question AND tried to deceive me. She reported a reply AND blocked, she silenced me. She talks down to men saying how we’re focused one quality, one, while she’s entitled to judge us on 20? She has the gall to tell me not to judge? Not only does she not want accountability for herself, SHE wants to define what accountability is. So, controlling, uncompromising, dictatorial. Her husband of 16 years has to put up with this controlling behavior from a woman who likely refuses to allow him any preference besides approving of hers? Don’t settle? Or insecurity?
Mr. @Vegasrunner, I believe she wanted to get to know you, something about your perspective. I believe she respects your opinion more than she respects mine-the guy who treats women with due respect and doesn’t objectify or pump and dump them. I so rudely tried to control the conversation and dictate who she should talk to, even though NO ONE forced her to acknowledge me. Kindly oblige her and give her exactly what she wants. Show her how much her opinion means to you. What was it you said about “can’t turn a hoe into a housewife”.
@NeuroscienceFan. At the risk of getting blocked yourself, would you mind quoting this message in her thread so she can see it. She needs to learn not to muzzle people and respect others opinions instead of being an abusive, controlling bitch.
Unbelievable. How much you guys want to bet this woman has never apologized for anything in her life. As if she thinks she’s never made a mistake.
@NeuroscienceFan @Vegasrunner @Exterminatore. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Disregard my previous comment. I’m going to try to have it removed. This is a shitty way to act.
Media should stop telling people what is allowed to think and what is not. If someone cares about body count it's their choice to limit themselves, if someone doesn't care the person has to be ready to deal with consequences. Authors of such articles just want to divide and to polarize, while dehumanize one group and glorify another. This is literally forced black white thinking (in psychology terms) and I would call it toxic journalism.
I think people should care if they want to. No one wants the same things out of relationships, which is why not everyone is compatible. There is no "one size fits all" solution.
For me, I care, but I'm not picky about it either. I'd prefer someone who isn't a virgin just so that we're in a similar place, although it's not that important to me at my age.
The problem with high body counts is that with repeated exposures to and satuaation with the neurochemistry of sex and sex hormones, dependence on these chemicals and attraction to the pleasure they produce grows incrementally, such that calling a person with a high body count and promiscuous behavior a drug addict is not unreasonable.
What does a drug addict do? Seeks more of the drug (s), which in this case is obtained by more and more sex. Thus the unfortunately accurate term "sex addict". Sex addicts like all drug addicts will do anything to satify their habit, including cheating, which at least for women is all too easy.
You’re right it desensitizes someone to Actually bonding with possible future partners. It will make them Less Likely to be satisfied with their future longer term lover.
Of course we’re talking about some kind of extreme examples, but Essentially yes sleeping around a lot is definitely Unhealthy if you care about finding a real long term relationship/marriage
Men who have no options will take anything they can find.
High value men work on themselves and work on themselves and work on themselves.. therefore they become attractive to girls.
And with dating and s3x experiences they refuse to date girls with high body counts
When a girl sees a lot of naked girls and plays with them.. the depression gets wiped off his thought process.
However when he doesn’t have any reference to go by? He won’t get about the girl. As along as she has a h0le.
Dating and courtship is a gamble. Probably for both sexes.
High Body count is gonna be different number for most people.
Some people can change and decide they don't want to live as they did in the past and others can't make that change.
dating is probably a very tough situation these days.
Everybody should care about a prospective spouses body count, since the higher a man or woman's body count is the lower quality they are as a husband/wife and parent. Most man with a body could of 2 are already barely worth dating, and beyond that they're barely worth knowing.
That is what a woman who respects herself would say.. well said.. i wish i can find a girl like you
Yea..
You could care, or just try to stick to women who are strictly against casual sex and vocal about it. But even some of those will lie and pretend they are. Women care about the issue and what men think just as men as the men care, it's just that women pretend they don't. If they didn't ever care, they would never try to lie about it.
I guess guys wouldn't mind be paired with a Ho. But then again, they love Only Fans so who can account for their tastes. They are definitely not interested in a "country girl"
Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.
I don’t judge anyone and I respect everyone the same, regardless of their sexual past, but I feel more content with myself when I don’t engage in casual sex.
I never engage in casual sex and for me, sex is strictly kept for someone I’d love.
However, I’ve often been told I am wasting my time waiting for love and that, I should enjoy my youth.
Yes, probably that’s right. But I can’t make myself do that.
@lafemmefatale_1 Women with low body count/good girls are the types that many men would burn down the heavens for. It may seem all fun right now, but assuming you want what most women want in a man (6ft +, handsome, financially successful, etc) will not date you because those high value men will have options - be the man or woman that makes your partner WANT to stick around. Not just myself, but many men would go very far indeed for a good girl. The other thing is that if you fall in love and the guy finds out that his woman has slept around, he could leave her. The Feminists or liberal women will then say “he’s insecure or not the right guy for you,” but the reality is he is being smart because the studies have pointed that women with high body counts are more likely to cheat, divorce, etc and love doesn’t come often —- is this the gamble you want to take? Well, if I was a woman I wouldn’t because even as a man, I’d rather be in love than sleep with a bunch of girls - especially coming home from a stressful day at work or something.
I don’t understand what the problem is? It’s not like you can change anyone’s mind or there is any way to reduce your body count. Just come up with a casual way of finding out and break up if it’s too high for you.
I think it matters as much as a man’s. If I don’t sleep around then I want a woman with the same standards.
Body counts don’t matter. Only thing that matters is if they got any stds. They should disclose that to you and get tested.
otherwise it really isn’t an issue and no one’s business
Women should not care about a man's income, or height. How does that sound. One media article doesn't override millions of years of evolution and a man's innate need to insure paternity.
Agree. Only a man's body count matters since they need to lead the relationship they should be only ever connected to one woman. Us women are different since are bodies are meant to be shared because of having childern we are capable of loving many people without it interfering with our relationships.
I have honestly never read a worse opinion on this app until now. 🤦🏻♂️
So you honestly believe that men must stay loyal to one woman while women must go around fucking everyone they want to fuck? Isn’t that completely unfair to men?
Pretty sure men don’t fall in love once. 😂
So if a man gets married and his wife divorces him, that’s it? He can never love another woman?
Seems like you have an extremely negative view of men if you think they only fall in love once and then are worthless. I think you’re very wrong, but you are entitled to having a wrong opinion.
Easy to say, impossible to prove.
@SolitarySolace. No worries, @Apple1996 is trolling. She regularly takes the correct actions for each gender and flips them for shock value.
Somewhere deep down she realizes this.
@KrakenAttackin I'm not trolling about this. Mens body counts are seriously more important than women's
@KrakenAttackin not trolling this is just my opinion and many others share this same opinion. Just cause you don't doesn't mean it's trolling
@KrakenAttackin many men just project the opposite of what I'm saying because they know they are guilty themselves of being hoes and will make bad partners
It’s grossly fascinating watching you turn into a troll lol.
@DarkWinterNights y'all are being rude. I've always had this opinion for years. This is not trolling or anything new especially for those that have known me for a long time
@Apple1996. The actual research says the exact opposite of your belief... but you already know that.
@KrakenAttackin the research is sexist and usually made by a man 😆 anyways this is my opinion so doesn't matter to me research or not
@Apple1996 are you suggesting that gender is not a social construct?
@Apple1996 Even most women will disagree. So let's think of the cause. Is it possible that you're in a relationship with a physically weak soyboy whom you only tolerate because he is fully committed to you and shares his resources - and that leads you to make up excuses to pedestalize male weakness to cope with having a soyboy for a husband?
@Apple1996 I honestly LOLed from your opinion, if it isn't a joke, then you've got to be coping and pedestalizing a weakness, perhaps you body count is higher than your husband's, but that's my opinion.
@msc545 anyone can be cyber bullied it has nothing to do with age. Someone here literally just asked if my opinion was a joke. I should not even have to respond to bullies. That's the point of why I'm not going into greater detail about this. If someone is seriously asking me then cool but to repeatedly say my post is trolling when it's serious is just bullying and harassment
@msc545 I would never go on someone's opinion and bully them saying repeatedly that what they think is a joke or trolling. I'm not 5 years old and respect others opinions even if they don't align with what I think. Only time I comment to others is asking a serious question about what they think or if they are my friend
The weirdest thread ever
@Light_beam it truly is. I need to turn off my replies I guess but I do enjoy having debates if someone wants to be serious and not think I'm a joke
Haha you are not a joke , but you are shocking 😀
@Light_beam you are right I'm probably just shocking everyone with my opinions 😂
Yeaaa.. duh! Look at the hysteria you caused in this thread.
@Apple1996
Please explain why women ththat have done porn have come out saying the have a hard time keeping a relationship? I have seen videos and articles of women with high body counts doing the same. On top of that I know women with high body counts who bounce from relationship to relationship and tell me they have a hard time connecting with the guy long term because of how promiscuous they have been.
@MysteriousDarkness mostly everyone is having a hard time keeping relationships these days. It's mostly at the fault of men
Oh my god how is this thread still going
@MysteriousDarkness I know women that are 30 year old virgins and can't even keep a boyfriend for a day so obviously being a hoe or not ain't making much of a difference if all the men are shit
@DarkWinterNights this thread is gonna keep popping up. I suggest you mute if you don't wanna stick around for the ride
@Apple1996
You saying all men are shit would include those you know well to those you don't even know exist. That is a highly negative view of men. You weren't even close to having a neutral viewpoint befofe giving your opinion on this post. Why are women saying it is worse for women to have a high body count if the opposite is true as you claim? Why are more women with a high body county complaining about not finding a good guy than guys with a high body count complaining about not finding a good woman? On average women can get sex easier than guys. Guys have to work for it. That and getting into a relationship.
@MysteriousDarkness I've never heard any women complain about not being able to find a man
@MysteriousDarkness constantly hear men especially the slutty ones not being able to find a woman to settle down with
the problem with sexual freedom for women is that they can be living their life and all of a sudden realise theyve become a slapper. A slut. a strumpet.
And there's no reversing it. No denying it.
c'est la vie. We all need a slut now and then
Body count is not important. It’s in the past and does not prove that you’re going to cheat in the future.
I definitely consider a woman's 'body count' when I'm entering a relationship with her, but I prefer that she's had sex with a lot of guys, rather than fewer guys.
I disagree, and we should care about men’s body counts as well.
Sure.. so long as you put the same importance on your OWN body count as well.
Not into women who have slept with a lot. Preferably under 10. I can say that cause I'm not promiscuous ie hypocritical.
it's another one of society's desperate attempts to force men to lower their standards
Of course you have to care , who wants to be with some freelance hooker , it makes a massive difference.
If men caring about such a thing was beneficial to women, they wouldn't feel the need to shame any man for it.
The one-nighters you have the bigger whore you are and the more likely you are to get an STD. Condoms don't stop STDs because nobody uses them correctly, by the way.
I agree with the content of the youtube. not with the headline.
had me confused there... so voted agree.
I think people should care about whatever they want, lol.
So I didn’t vote.
If they do care though, we probably aren’t compatible.
@KrakenAttackin No. I didn’t “mean” that at all.
@KrakenAttackin Damn boy why so triggered?
@LazerBean He’s just bored and wants attention 🤷♀️
No krakenAttackin. She means that guys who are more interested in a woman’s past sexual experience than her character and who she is now and values a woman only by her sexual experience is a misogynist and is going to be a controlling and sexist, possibly abusive husband.
I have a body count, they have a body count, so what?
Most men care instinctively but it's really just an indication they aren't the type of person who values relationships. What matters more than body count.. if you're looking for a relationship.. is how many relationships they've been in, why they ended, etc.
Women should have a meter installed at birth that counts the bodies so a man can ask her to provide an official Certification of Body Count before he has a relationship with her.
I don't know people can have their opinions and wants in a relationship, but they shouldn’t be mean about it
Totally agree.
You should care if you're dating her or she's a potential partner you're talking to, outside of that it's no one's buisness and it would be weird to care
"can't turn a hoe into a housewife" isn't said for nothing
Everyone should care, as the average female body count goes up so to does the rate of STDs in a society. Since guys will have sex with anything. The only limiting factor for the spread of STDs is how selective women are with their sexual partners.
girls now a days are proud of having body counts that were only reserved for prostitutes back in the day 🤦♂️🤣
These are the same feminists complaining they can't find a husband
A woman should stay a virgin till marriage which means zero bodycounts
Why not? SHE'S the one that takes all the sperm!
I disagree. However a guys body count should be taken into account as well.
Msc545 is also the same guy preaching to choose a woman based on her not starting her period early because that indicates that she is more likely to be promiscuous, but then deleted my opinion and blocked me because I shared a link showing that men who start puberty early are also more likely to be promiscuous and violent. Spineless delinquent.
@LazerBean wow, so maybe I started puberty a little behind the curve and maybe that is why girls never paid any attention to me,? I'm a victim of circumstance
Lol maybe so. I don't argue with the truth in the statistic, but the idea that we should pick our partner based on when they hit puberty is pretty ludicrous in my opinion. And keep in mind, the early puberty only indicated them starting sexual activity earlier in life. Which is kind of an obvious consequence since it's pretty logical that people who feel sexual urges earlier in life are going to act on them earlier in life. Looking at an adult's past choices is a lot better indicator of who they are than looking at at their involuntary biological development.
@LazerBean what did you call himm?
@LazerBean damn, he seems like a good guy to me. Maybe you got him on a bad day. Anyway, the whole idea of people who enter puberty earlier are more promiscuous seems logical because you show less good judgement when you are young because that part of the brain is not fully developed and yet your body is ready to reproduce.
Man who supports male promiscuity but condemns and attacks female promiscuity is no good at all. And I agree with the age thing, like I said. It's logical, but it is not as good of an indicator for a person's quality as the choices that they have made. For example, if you pick a person solely based on them not entering puberty early, the person is still very likely to be promiscuous in their adulthood. Howo, if you marry a person who is saving themselves for marriage and feels strongly about their morals, they are much more likely to have a successful marriage.
@LazerBean
Women who are stunningly arrogant and full of crap and think they are without sin, while condemning others for past sins they have been forgiven for. They are the most worthless type of women there are. They aren’t even good enough to wipe my ass when I’m in an old folks home one day.
Women like you think you’re entitled to the best of the best men. The men all the other women wanted, yet you are not. Women like you are angry with retired man whores like myself because we did all the other women EXCEPT you. You feel left out and are angry you could not extract commitment from us.
Who played you that you hate man whores so much? Or likely yet, which man was it that you knew would never commit to you, yet you let him get inside you? Only to be angry.
You miss are the biggest harlot around. You claim Christ then blatantly ignore scripture. You judge the repentant and hold their sins against them while expecting forgiveness for yours. You claim allegiance to Christ and obedience to him while knowingly and willfully violating his decrees. You miss are a spiritual harlot and a greater one then I could have ever been with women. You are a fake Christian judging others, while excusing your sins. Are you not in need of a savior? I just wanted to say all that. I will not respond to you until you apologize to me for your slander and arrogant attitude. That’s why I blocked you. That’s why I asked you twice about submitting to your husband. It’s because I find it hard to believe someone with your levels of pride and arrogance would ever submit to anyone. You don’t submit to Christ when provided scripture, why would I believe you submit to your husband? You should know I asked you twice because you preening pride is clearly visible on the outside. It can easily be detected.
Men like me didn’t commit earlier in life because we well knew marrying a arrogant and prideful woman would mean constant contention and therefore should be avoided.
@LazerBean
So there we have it. How does it feel claim Christ in word and deny him in deed.
You’re so much better than everyone else in your mind aren’t you. YOU the perfect one. YOU who is without sin. YOU judging others whom the one you claim is your lord forgave them. Who are you in all your pride and haughtiness to hold anyone’s sins against them?
Who are you to judge another man’s servant?
You are completely unaware of your narcissistic streak aren’t you? At lest I can readily admit my faults. You can’t. Your arrogance keeps you from doing such.
I’ll pray for you none the less. That you may learn to obey Christ.
How does it feel to be rebuked by a harlot as you called me? Even the harlots know Christ better than you who claims to know him.
Wow. Look at the fake Christian talk. Did Jesus tell you to talk like that?
We must serve a different God. Mine says that blessings and curses should not come out of the same mouth. Mine says it’s wrong to slander others, even your enemies. You’re no Christian clearly. You claim him with words and deny him in deeds.
No, what I can’t stand is your arrogant attitude. You’re haughty and arrogant. Thought I made that abundantly clear.
Didn’t Jesus tell you to live you’re enemies? Not you though. You worship yourself. You are you’re own god. And a liar. You’re no Christian at all with your venomous words.
If you care you care. You can't change that.
Body count? The only "body count" that interests this ol' boy is her bra size.
Of course it matters. Don’t let them lie to you otherwise.
I’m confused by the answers. Body count shouldn’t matter, but if it does to some guy, that’s his business.
I don’t really care about woman’s body counts. I have a pretty good idea before we go out and it doesn’t bother me.
Yeah, why should anyone care about the quality of a potential partner? Anything goes!
Our pasts are our pasts... let it go
Yes, they should.
.. chances are sex means nothing to them
Body count does matter
Only incels care.
Does that make @OlderAndWiser an incel? 🤔
A woman who had sex with three guys last month is NOT a good candidate for a LTR with me, regardless of what any twit thinks.
Agreed ❤️
it's down to her.
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