Are you worried about AI?

[Julie4]

[RavVid]

For the most part no though machine learning can do impressive things.

I think AI will be always be very siloed. You could train AI to be good at facial recognition or medical diagnosis or song writing & singing or movie scripts and writing novels or generating visual images. Is it advantageous to combine each of those fortes into one AI package as an all knowing mind? Movie scripts and visual images sure because you can end up with movies.

I think what people have some fear of is an all knowing superior mind. Maybe it is lack of foresight on my part but I can't see an advantage of combining the trainings on medical diagnosis with traings on song writing & singing. So i just don't see an all knowing superior mind as more likely than singing doctors.

AI in warfare is another concern and F16's with an AI pilot can be beat human pilots in US testing - possibly because AI pilots are allowed to be less risk adverse. The way I look at this is that the end point will be that the end point will be that it is drone robots versus drone robots. If their drone robots beat our drone robots then we surrender. Beneficial to take humans out of human conflict in my book.

Where I see a problem is in AI generated news which might be entirely false/fabricated. When Ukraine was looking at Australian F18s I saw reports which were claiming Aussie F18s were already in Ukraine which seemed most unlikely but there was purported video of it. However I had seen a particular segment of the video before and "Captain Dewey" was stenciled on the F18 - not a very Ukrainian moniker.

I'm pretty sure there is some AI generated Putin War channels. The voices certainly are. But it might be being done in the old fashioned way with a person doing a mash up. Smarter versions of this could cause untoward results.

[NaultD]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/W3id8E34cRQ

Today we are expecting light travel compared to reality when it's barely understanding object permanence.

Impressive in of itself with the watson computer used on jeopardy in 2011 with a computer just understanding a spoken question and answering with a question.

It is logical that this technology needed open access to get more inputs at the same time equally made shit up thus creating endless loop of nonsense. Definitely fun to play with but reliable with reality.

To be honest we are basically just playing with sail boats with what we currently call "AI" and our make believe true AI is like true space travel.

[Anonymous]

Yes. At this point, everything we've predicted as being a part of "the thing" to destroy us as human beings has or is approaching fruition. This is the next big one. When you give the power over to the machines, you neglect fail safes, you rely entirely on a machine being able to do the work of a human being, we're all asking to be screwed.

Literally think about the internet as it is now---we've put everything about us from where we eat on a Tuesday, to codes to access our bank accounts, to who we've dated, on down to our favorite nail polish color online---all this is in one giant box of information that we're ready to hand over to the machines to do with and "create" with what they will: deep fakes, writing scripts for movies, doing manual labor, spying on others, creating new identities...there is a whole list of disturbing things which are making it extremely difficult to detect what's actually real anymore and what's not. If one doesn't have an issue with that, they are definitely going to be part of the apathy that drives us into ruin.

[bingbongbangbung]

AI even at its current form with so many breakthroughs is still too dumb to do anything that's actually apocalyptic or peacekeeping

[Opinion Owner]

@bingbongbangbung considering how election tampering has gone, pretty sure it's on the way to screwing us big time.

[RavVid]

It seems to me the fear of AI is mostly about decision making being non-transparent and potentially catastrophic.

There is some legitimate concern on this as current AI is machine learning which is basically detecting patterns. It might just be that ginger haired females who are left handed and who wear stilettos and are 30 to 35 are particularly bad home loan risks. No discernible causal reason but they just are bad risks.

So ginger Jo's home loan is rejected when a local bank manager, in years gone by, would have said Jo is good for it - because he knew her - and stamped Approved. Pre AI, ginger Jo would have met all the rules and got her home loan but is now scrubbed out on the left handed, stilleto wearing ginger female rule.

It might even be nobody in the bank can tell why Jo is being disallowed because this arcane rule is only documented in the software. You know what? Problems like this can be addressed. I know companies with complicated product cost structures and they do billing validation. This is not an impossible problem. The left handed stiletto ginger female problem is solvable with an appeal process.

[RavVid]

Another fear is where bad AI decision making could cause fatalities/injuries. Obvious areas are military, medical and car driving. The later is particularly contentious. because self driving cars might have better safety records eventually than people. It is not hard to see that could become the case but there could be rare instances of an error, that no human would make, that causes tragic deaths/injuries.

Simply mandating a human decision maker in the loop and the AI decision being the responsibility of the human in the loop is about enough in military and medical scenarios. This strategy is used more commonly than you might think. In my country if a manager gives a work place order that results in a worker injury/death then the manager could be found guilty of manslaughter.

The self driving car or bus can obviously kill people. Making the "driver" responsible for the self driving car's driving decisions is an obvious resolution because he is still operating the machinery and is the over-ride. Deadman brakes can be put in place to ensure the driver is paying attention.

The self driving bus is still more problematic as there is no designated driver. Just as we accept that occasionally a bus driver will kill a wedding party (that happened recently) I think most likely we will end up accepting the risks with self driving buses in the same way we rely on car brakes working.

[RavVid]

"The machines will turn against us". This Asimov scenario is exaggerated. Sex bots are about to disprove this by unfailingly acting in a loving way to their human man and always making dinner unresentingly. Humans make decisions emotionally. Logic can emulated emotions but it isn't emotions. The AI movie generator will know a side long glance over the shoulder with a part smile will indicate romantic intentions and so will the AI girlfriend.

But can you imagine a machine suddenly feeling a need to fuck this human? You could build a sex bot with a proximity switch in the groin and could code a high value to have the switch close but it is not going to be anything like our sex circuits perform. Sex emotions will be well emulated but they will not be genuine in the sense of how we experience.

Neither will be the desire to kill our neighbors.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

AI used for selfish gains? Yes, I'm worried.

AI used for illegal activities? Yes, I'm worried.

AI used for evil pursuits? Definitely bothered.

[RingOfFire]

My biggest, and really only fear about AI is that it will be used for government purposes that lead to a catastrophe such as unintended nuclear war or government spying on their own people to enforce a dictatorship.

"Experts" also worry about other things like deep fakes to manipulate public opinion. But I don't worry so much about that because half the public is already manipulated because they are so naive, ignorant and gullible (we call them Democrats in the USA). So I don't see how that would make much difference.

[Sonorous]

I do have a cautious approach to the technology. But I'm not worried in the sense that I'm highly immediately disturbed by it. I just know it could be abused in some very smart ways which could have some very unforeseen & severely negative consequences. I believe there is & will always be a great need for regulation and monitoring when it comes to "AI."

[Lynx122]

Nah I'm not. I'm already disabled and have a lot of difficulties with working. At some point most people will be replaced by technology and they'll just get a universal basic income. It might even be a good thing because people can do things they actually want to do. Of course some people will still find ways to ruin their lives but I think the majority could benefit from it and live better lives :)

[Constatine]

Yes.

Because people have no clue what doing and they will realize it when it is to late.

Like everything else in life they though of.

Let's shoot all that junk in to space in form of satellites... in a decade or so people will think... oh god what have we done. ( well to late for that }

[molonski2]

If your answer is NO , with due respect you are Crazy , you really do not appreciate the power that is held here , the best analogy I have seen is if dogs were the dominant species , and they appoint humans , what happens? The humans quickly understand the short comings of the dogs and destroy ALL the dogs.

This is seriously what will happen , or certainly can happen , if you are not afraid --BE AFRAID.

[Dargil]

It could become the Machine world or Skynet.

[bingbongbangbung]

I'm setting up my own AI startup (currently developing the prototype), so why would I be worried? The only thing concerning me is the lack of funding, but then again I've never run a business before. At least it'll pay off in the end because AI is only gonna become more prevalent as the decades go by.

[Bricealan]

Not worried, per se, but concerned about it. Even going back to the HAL 9000 computer, and the film 2001 A Space Odyssey and the more contemporary 'Terminator'.

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

Not at all. I'm excited to see how it will change things. People have always been wary of new technology, but it's also always improved things. There's no reason to believe this time will be any different.

[Guffrus]

Quote: There's no reason to believe this time will be any different.

This line demonstrates with complete certainty that you do not understand the subject.

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

No, it. demonstrates that I'm not a Luddite. AI doesn't work the way it does in movies. People fear AI because of fantasies created for entertainment that aren't actually possible in real life.

[Guffrus]

I know that you don't know for the simple reason that I DO KNOW and I am not even well informed so as you don't know even a fucking fraction of what I know you can only be fucking clueless.

Every time you type you further reveal your lack of understanding and baseless arrogance, while it might be true that some people fear AI because of films that has nothing to do with the concerns of informed people and you would know that if you were informed but you aren't.

So stop pretending to be what you are not and either shut the fuck up or go and educate yourself because it isn't going to wash with me.

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

You don't even know me. You're making assumptions based on zero evidence because you want someone to fight and argue with. I never asked for your praise or approval. I couldn't give two shits about your opinion and it's concerning you believe that anyone would or should.

You're a nobody on the Internet and saying "I know and you don't" doesn't mean anything, especially when you don't back it up with anything. Stop pretending to be a specialist. Stop pretending to be special. Or keep doing. It. It really doesn't matter. Because you don't. Shout into the void if you like, I'm going to go have a life. You should try it. Nerd.

[Guffrus]

I don't need to know you to know that what you are saying is wrong, I just need to know about the subject that you are failing at talking about so no, I am not making any assumptions, you are telling me that you don't know what you are talking about you just don't understand that because you don't understand the subject.

I am also not asking you to care about what i think, I am asking you to care about being wrong because you ARE wrong.

I am not pretending to be a specialist, in fact I explictly stated that, quote 'I am not even well informed'.

If you don't like being told that you are wrong then don't be wrong.

[EmyyWolf]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/VaQ6Zg38OjQ

I DONT KNOW… I DONT WANT NO AI AROUND…. 😬😬😬

[DJB72]

Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Maybe if we let AI take over it can get rid of the Fourth Reich and we can avoid chanting "Heil Schwab" in unison...

[Sour-rose]

Nooo? I have nothing to worry about it. My job? Psssh, i'm just an employee. Dating? I have my husband and we haven't cut our marriage yet.

[Jersey2]

I’m worried about arrogant, stupid greedy people who will F up and cause problems in society with AI that becomes destructive. Greed stupidity and arrogance are what will cause the problem which will be a destructive AI. Its a people problem.

[KostasKouvalis]

You already know my answer😂

Did you see the news article i posted you about the unseraged Spanish girls who had fake nudes made of them using AI and handed out all over campass

[Julie4]

I asked this question just for you 🤣

Uh no I haven't seen it, but WTF!

[KostasKouvalis]

Oh God! I knew you did😂
I told you

[Fireguy17]

It might have it's uses and good points, but like anything it can and probably will be missed used.

[OddBeMe]

Nah…I’m probably wrong. But at least for now here’s my view:

Artificial Intelligence will always need a human to create it. We humans could make an app that makes other apps. But couldn’t make an app that we couldn’t make.

[Guffrus]

Correct; you are wrong.

[OddBeMe]

@Guffrus how so?

[Guffrus]

Because there is no reason to believe that a creative, general intelligence requires biology.

Look at how much technology has advanced in the last 100 years, now imagine what technology will look like a thousand years from now, ten thousand, it isn't a question of 'if?', only one of 'when?'

[OddBeMe]

@Guffrus if “if” is 10,000 years from now that’s like having anxiety because the sun will explode.

[Guffrus]

Firstly, no it isn't because that timeframe is orders of magnitude longer.

Secondly it is extremely unlikely to be anything like that long, it is very much on the visible horizon.

[OddBeMe]

@Guffrus so within my lifetime?

[Guffrus]

That is clearly unknowable.

The point is that there are a great many people around the world who are highly motivated and in many cases extremely well funded who's sole focus is to make this a reality.

We aren't talking about something like trying to break the speed of light, where a definitive boundary exists that we don't know how to get past, this is an iterative problem, meaning that each attempt gets you closer, you learn more each time, you fail better.

A singularity event where the AI gets to a point where it is completely independent of human input for its evolution is not a requirement for the total destruction of society.

The range of tasks which machines can perform at a super human level and at sub human cost increases all the time, this isn't like any other kind of advancement where the jobs humans do will just change, what we are looking at is the end of viable human work which means the destruction of the social fabric, the entire system, even with all its faults and problems, is built on the exchange of a humans time for money and is going to go away, not for a few people or even for a lot of people but for ALL people.

So the seriousness and impact of this cannot be overstated.

[OddBeMe]

@Guffrus well currently all unique intelligence is biological. I don’t see that changing. Even this wave of AI petered out a bit. Don’t get me wrong it’s great innovation. Animated actors from the past, a computer writing term papers. But those term papers aren’t unique. They’re amalgated by papers fed into it by human programmers.

[Guffrus]

Right, it's biological, not MAGICAL, it's just a machine, a complex machine but a machine none the less and it will be replicated and surpassed, this is a certainty.

Just because there are twats out there who want to call everything AI does not mean that real AI is not a threat.

[tzdc21]

YES. I get Terminator vibes every time I think about it

[BadApple69]

AI is just another challenge we need to overcome or it will overcome us.

[Nifrayu]

I'm not. Worrying isn't going to do me any good. I don't have the knowledge to curb AI development in a safe direction so I'm just going to have faith in those who do.

[cnj421]

I mean I think it’s creepy and perpetuates this fake bullshit. So yea.