Do we have a two tiered justice system in America?

[exitseven]

It has just been ruled that Capitol Police officers can sue President Trump. Should citizens who have loved ones killed by illegal aliens or fentanyl be able to sue President biden?

[msc545]

There is a very significant difference here that you failed to mention.

Trump directly encourage the protesters to come to the capitol and to engage in violence. That is a large part of why he has so much legal trouble at this time.

Biden has done nothing to encourage anyone to bring fentanyl or other drugs into the United States illegally.

In the first case Trump clearly had intent and he acted on it. In the second case, Biden clearly did not have any intent or even if he did, which is extremely doubtful he didn't act on it.

Once again you are grasping at straws in an attempt to defame Biden simply because he is a Democrat and because he opposes Trump and because you don't like him.

If you don't like Biden's policies and politics that is fine and it is your right. In that case, simply vote against him which I'm sure you will do. That is all any of us can do legally when we dislike a candidate. I am certainly planning to vote against Trump. That is all I am planning to do.

[lightbulb27]

it appears the country is divided down the middle according to how peoples minds think. what is influencing that?

it's not just the system... people clearly think and perceive differently. I wonder what is creating that clear division? the education systems are a major influence.

hormones? city water?

I can honestly say the left thinking people I know, quite a few... are just weird. the right thinking people are sometimes extreme, but make more sense.

it's not sex, race, religion. religion seems an influencer where someone "coagulates", but not strictly. There's some underlying "how their minds work", that makes the difference.

[exitseven]

I have no idea what happened either. People might have voted differently but they sil had more in common and the differences between the parties was not that big of a difference.
sArah Huckabee is right when she said that now there is normal and crazy.
I cannot imagine the logic of importing millions of uneducated, indigent people who cannot speak a word of English and let them loose in the country giving them billions of dollars to support them. How does that help American citizens?
What is the logic in supporting a war halfway around the world that we really have no stake in?
Democrats are driving the country off a cliff. The military had been so screwed up with CRT that nobody wants to join anymore.
We have given up our energy independence and Biden has decided that everyone must drive an elctric car even though there are not enough charging stations and the power companues stil have to burn fossil fuel to generate the electricity to run the cars. Then after the batteries die after three or four years people will dump them by the side if the road instead of paying a thousand dollars to recycle them. That will be good for the environment once all that heavy metal leaches into the water table.
It is just crazy what has been happening. I hope if Trump gets back in office he demonstrates how much better life oin America can be with the adults back in charge.

[lightbulb27]

valid points. but if try to rationalize any of it with left thinkers... its an emotional brick wall.
I can only imagine the real intent of driving it off a cliff... is to financially drive the country into socialism and social redistribution. By weakening military and police, it further enables those ends. Oddly... the big thinkers of the left... protect themselves from the masses including those of the left they create. But that aligns well with the southern plantation owners.
Realize... other countries went through revolts, takeovers from within... France and such. it's nothing new.
The only way I've seen to bring left thinkers to the right is for them to personally experience the misery their thinking creates. And so when I hear people cry online about their plight, I applaud. When I see the protests about migrants... it's positive. Exactly what Gov of Texas is doing... he is right.
And I think there's value in those migrants... done a better and right way.

[Daniela1982]

A tit for a tat I say. What's good, or bad, for the goose should also be good for that lame duck Biden.

[Sparkie460]

I totally agree 👍

[Jennz6]

Anyone can sue, can they win? Someone should sue Biden!

[exitseven]

biden will claim presidential immunity. Trump will be denied this.

[Jennz6]

Exactly

[Daniela1982]

He would just claim permanent insanity and get off free.

[milyjohn]

If Biden can claim presidential immunity, why can’t Trump claim presidential immunity for the mostly peaceful protest on January 6?

[exitseven]

@milyjohn because he is a Republican and the leading presidential candidate ahead in most of the polls.

[milyjohn]

LMAO

TRUE

[msc545]

@milyjohn Because it wasn't peaceful, stupid.

[milyjohn]

@msc545

I didn't say it was peaceful, I said it was MOSTLY peaceful, stupid.

[msc545]

I don't think mostly counts here. That's like saying somebody is mostly pregnant.

[Jennz6]

@msc545 Trump said to go peacefully and patriotically but they didn’t listen

[exitseven]

Peacefully an patriotically were really secret code words for conservatives, It really means rape and pillage.

[Jennz6]

Oh right, LMAO 🤣

[msc545]

Trump said many other things that incriminated him which you have ignored.

[Jennz6]

@msc545 just wait till the election

[msc545]

I ma waiting patiently. It needs to happen and be over with.

[milyjohn]

@exitseven
@jennz6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jc-kL22fQU

500+ deadly riots and insurrections during the summer of 2020, and the left didn't give a shit. They also don't give a shit about Jan 6th, but they're using it as a way to keep Trump from becoming president. People with the ability to think critically are asking why the Dems just don't run a candidate that can beat Trump.
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Sadly, Biden really is the best they have. It's hard to believe, but it's true.

[milyjohn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax1DS6yAoWE

[Jennz6]

@milyjohn so sad

[exitseven]

@msc545 like what? I watchechis whole speech and there was nothing close to inflammatory.

[exitseven]

@milyjohn itcis not hard to believe when you have a philosophy that bases people on race, sexual orientation or national origin instead of competence and merit.

[msc545]

@exitseven Trump could say anything at all and you would never find fault with it. You've lost your ability to think critically about what this man says. That makes me worried about you.

[exitseven]

@msc545 No, I do not blindly follow anyone. However it must be noted he was right about the Russian collusion hoax. The Steele Dossier was manufactured by democrats. Hunters laptop was genuine and not "Russian disinformation" like 50 democrats swore that it was. Just the laptop alone would be enough to declare a stolen election. In the years to follow there will be proper investigations into the voter fraud that went on in 2020 and Trump will again be proven right.
Besides, why are the democrats so afraid of Donald Trump? If they have such a strong candidate and believe so much that their policies are what Americans want , why won't they just let the election process proceed and let the American citizens decide who will lead for the next 4 years? The fact that democrats have to resort to shaky legal tricks and lies and misdirection should tell you all you need to know about the Biden administration.

[OlderAndWiser]

I am afraid that the Democrats' weaponization of the justice system will lead to a violent rebellion or secession of the South and Midwest.

[RealMarek]

Seriously doubt it, but the southern and midwestern boys who formed the core of the military’s fighting force (not the bloated military bureaucracy) are not signing up in the needed numbers anymore. The boomers still have patriotism and have silly dreams of using their guns against the feds. The younger generations in flyover country are either indoctrinated (become “hick-libs”), are degraded (suffer addiction issues, lack motivation, etc.), or are trending “far-right” and simply checking out of mainstream institutions. America won’t run properly without these people buying into and contributing to the system.

[msc545]

As you know, I am in California. We are the largest state in the country and the most prosperous one. We can easily do just fine without the south in the Midwest if it comes to that. I've gotten to the point that I really don't care about this problem anymore. These people are intransigent to the point of mimicking mental illness. If not actually having it. When we on the left say they are cult members we aren't kidding about this. That is a very, very frightening thing that is completely incompatible with American democracy as I know it.

Donald Trump and his ideas born of his own mental illness have ruined this country. I don't care if his cult members go form their own country and in many ways I wish they would.

[OlderAndWiser]

@msc545 Perhaps you should lead a movement for California to secede. Everything is great in Californiam but despite your immigration, you have lost overall population due to long-time residents leaving the state, moving to Arizona and Florida.

[msc545]

I am not prepared to lead any succession movement of any kind, but if it happens I will support it.

The population declined by around 37,000 people from July 1, 2022, to July 1, 2023, or 0.1%. This amount is well within the error band for this type of measurement and it means nothing.

[OlderAndWiser]

@msc545
"State-to-state migration from California contributed to a slight dip in the state's population from 2021 to 2022, from about 39,143,000 to 39,029,000. California lost a net of 340,000 people to other states from 2021 to 2022, with a growing number of residents leaving for Florida and Arizona.

The outflow from California to other states was lower than it was from 2020 to 2021, when about 410,000 more people left California than arrived, according to new migration data from the U. S. Census Bureau. But it was still far higher than in the years before the pandemic, when the annual net loss was fewer than 200,000."

www.sfchronicle.com/.../...tates-move-18438760.php

[msc545]

If you are getting this from the census there is a problem with that data relative to sampling errors,

[exitseven]

yes, this country was founded on guerilla warfare. There are a lot more Americans now than in 1776 and we have better weapons.

[OlderAndWiser]

@msc545 Take that up with the San Francisco Chronicle, which published the article I cited.

[msc545]

@exitseven your weapons are toys compared to what the government has and will use on you clowns if you start anything.

[msc545]

I am really getting tired of stupid right-wing threats of violence.

[DubiousIntentions]

They tried that once. Orange County was where all the power was and controlled the rest of the state. Northern Calif wanted out but it didn't happen.

[DubiousIntentions]

@msc545 Isn't Texas and Alaska bigger than Calif?

[msc545]

@OlderAndWiser If you look at the small print under those charts in the Chronicle article, you will see that they were taken from the census results. That is a major problem in terms of validity due to massive data collection and sampling problems.

[msc545]

@DubiousIntentions Physically larger, yes.

[OlderAndWiser]

@msc545. Are you telling me that we can’t trust information provided by the government?

[RealMarek]

@msc545 “I am really getting tired of stupid right-wing threats of violence.”

I am too and I’m probably farther right than the conservatives that talk about some sort of rebellion. Keep in mind these empty threats happen because any American who grew up after 1945 probably had a very slanted education in history and if they grew up before the 1990s was indoctrinated with the revolutionary myth: a small band of founding fathers fought for their rights and won against the world’s largest empire. People away from urban centers tend to be “lions” more than “foxes,” so this naturally appeals to them. The reality is that the founders had support not just from the French but within the British bureaucracy among the whigs, which limited what the British Army was allowed to do. Without elite backing from some quarter or other there can be no revolution.

“@exitseven your weapons are toys compared to what the government has and will use on you clowns…”

Yes. This is true and failure to recognize basic realities of power is one reason the conservative movement in this country has no ability to wield power. Furthermore, the current elites hate the people in “flyover country,” and feel increasingly insecure due to one geopolitical defeat after another, the loss of narrative control (thus the cooperation with big tech to censor and cancel dissidents), and the fact that half the country doesn’t believe in the political myths or “formulas” they peddle. Believe me, they will not hesitate to kill American citizens who oppose them. Don’t play the heel. I mean, don’t act like the USG portrays you in the media and pop culture. It’s bad strategy and is the opposite of what the growing number of independent, vanguard conservatives are doing.

[RealMarek]

The way to defeat a managerial-bureaucratic oligarchy like the USG is to simply wait for its internal corruption and micromanagement to grind the state into dysfunction. It is happening: the acceleration of de-dollarization is a self-inflicted disaster for our globalist elites that will sap their power and diversity hiring and ham-fisted politicization of education are causing a competency crisis. Just wait until this current elite is discredited and can be replaced with a more competent regime.

[msc545]

@OlderAndWiser I am NOT telling you that. There is an inherent structural problem with the way census data is collected and analyzed that renders it invalid for research purposes.

[exitseven]

@msc545 California has the biggest budget deficit in America. also had the biggest loss of population in America and it is not the welfare recipients that are leaving.. The only thing that has increased in the state is poverty. Nobody really believes california is prosperous. Even Hollywood insiders are moving out of state. Mark Wahlberg is the latest to move out.

[RealMarek]

Also, which states have the biggest wealth tends to depend on which sectors of the economy the Feds subsidize. The massive profits in Silicon Valley would be impossible without massive government contracts.

[msc545]

@exitseven I live in the Hollywood area. Nobody is moving. You are again talking about things in areas you have never been to.

[RealMarek]

@msc545 If we’re talking anecdote, I’m not surprised people near Hollywood aren’t leaving, but the story is not necessarily the same in places like the central valley and suburbs. Imagine being in a hellhole like San Bernardino and being able to go somewhere without state income tax, much lower cost of living, and housing for half the cost.

[msc545]

Do you seriously think that prosecuting crimes constitutes weaponization?

[milyjohn]

I used to think there was a two tiered justice system, but then a guy on the news corrected me. He said it's a one tier system. If Democrats can do no wrong, and Republicans can do no right, it's pretty much just a one tier system.

[msc545]

What in the world has happened to your ability to think critically?

[msc545]

Quite honestly, I question whether or not you've ever been able to think clearly.

Trump has engaged in many activities that at least upon observation break our laws. This is why he is spending a lot of time with his lawyers and in court trying to defend himself.

Biden, on the other hand, has not engaged in any activities that seem to break our laws upon observation. Therefore, there is no reason to investigate or prosecute him because as far as anybody can tell except for you he has done nothing wrong.

The two people involved in this Trump and Biden are not in equivalent situations and therefore it is unreasonable for you to expect that equivalent remedies would be applied. These are different situations that call for different responses.

I hope that you read this carefully and that you're not having trouble understanding it because if you are that quite honestly gives me great concern for your well-being.

[milyjohn]

@msc545

Why wasn't Biden charged with illegally taking classified documents home?

[msc545]

Because, unlike Trump, he gave them back when they were asked for. Had Trump done that, he would not have been charged. Instead, he hid them to keep them from being seized.

[milyjohn]

It’s a federal crime for a vice president or senator to take classified documents home.

[msc545]

Cite the law.

[msc545]

And predictably there is no response because you don't really know what the law is and you don't care. Typical of a republican.

[milyjohn]

Is this your thread?

[milyjohn]

@exitseven

Why do you think the justice department is weaponized?

Was it because a highly armed FBI SWAT team was sent to recover Ashley Biden‘s diary? Hopefully they didn’t have high capacity magazines!

[exitseven]

@msc545 the only reason Trump has been spending time in court is because democratschave to resort to bogus legal cases to try and pull their candidate across the finish line. A crime with no victim, a crime that is not a crime, a 30 year old alleget sexual assault case with no evidence and no witnesses, and now an accusation of an insurrection with no proof and no charges. The common thread in all these cases is they all were instigated by democrats.

[msc545]

No, the common thread in all these cases is that all the crimes were actually committed by Trump, who doesn't really deny doing them.

[exitseven]

@msc545 what do you call a crime with no victim? Is it a real crime or is this just a way to keep Trump from campaigning? What about a crime that is not a crime? If it was anybody but Trump the court would not be wasting their time. The only reason this is going on is because Biden cannot win on his own

[msc545]

Trump was going to be charged with crimes Biden or no Biden. What will you say if Trump runs and loses the election - more false allegations of election fraud?

[loveslongnails]

Obviously, you're just pimping people with this question because you already know the answer is "no, you shouldn't be allowed to do that". A President can NOT be sued for just anything at all, but you can sue a President for criminal charges for acts that occurred while he was in office. That's what is happening to your God at the moment, both for acts committed as the President and prior to becoming President.

Your pimp question is quite ridiculous, but maybe you really believe or think there's merit to it? That wouldn't surprise me. However, ask yourself this:
* Should Trump be sued for any deaths that occurred at the hands of an illegal alien who entered the country while HE was President? Or are you going to tell me "that never happened"? LOL

[jshm2]

No you have a four tiered system in America.

You have the rich White, rich non-White, then the poor White and poor non-White.

You must be high if you don't understand that if Trump has been indicted for the Capitol Hill incident, then he can be sued.

No government has been indicted for allowing "illegal aliens" or "supplying illicit drugs".

[DubiousIntentions]

@jshm2 That is because Biden is the one that is letting them all in and the lackeys under him do as they are told as he still is Commander n' Chief. But really, you know he is not the one calling the shots. He is just a puppet. They have parts of government that Biden has no idea exist. Like Black Ops or Area 51 for instance.

[exitseven]

Trump has not been charged with anything. He has not been tried for anything and he has not been convicted of anything. In America you are innocent until proven guilty but in Biden;s America you are considered guilty if you are a conservative.

[RealMarek]

Yes. To wit, the campaign finance violation charges against Sam Bankman-Fried were dropped officially to provide “quick resolution” for the public, obviously actually to avoid our politicians and elites (Clear them out!) being exposed during testimony.

[normalice]

definitely a 2 tiered justice system. We have a former president and a sizable chunk of his party who actively engaged in insurrection and instead of a mass hanging we are letting them try again. Meanwhile, some black kid with a cell phone gets executed because an incompetent cop "thought they saw a gun," and nothing happens to the cop.

[exitseven]

Try being a cop in a democrat run city some day. You only have a split second to make a decision whether to fire or not. If I was a cop I would err on the side of caution too.

[normalice]

Yeah, that's what I mean by incompetent 🤷

[exitseven]

so its better to be shot?

[normalice]

It's better to not be so incompetent when it comes to threat assessment, or to find a different job for which lives don't depend on said competency. Anyway, what are you even defending here? If cops can shoot you because they "thought they saw a gun" then you do not, in fact, have the right to bear arms. Which I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the right's situational 180 considering the mulford act..

[sawno]

There is no doubt about it, the US and especially the biden admin is deeply corrupt.

Case and point if you walked into a capitol building after the cops let you in your probably still in solitary confinement. If you burned down a city they didn't even charge you for your mostly peaceful protest.

[Twalli]

Can you prove that Biden had a direct role in either. Teunp sent an armed mob to Thr Capitol. You can argue about whether or not he intended it to be peaceful or not. You cannot argue that he sent them, and them being there and attacking the police officers happened. So he's directly responsible for that being an issue. Did Biden let that illegal alien in and give a speech that led said alien to attack your family member?

[exitseven]

Biden let over ten million illegal aliens in. Before he was elected he went to south america and told everyone that he would stop building the wall and will not send anybody back. There is plenty of video of him doing that. The even before the election tha caravans started. Right after Jan6th the stampede started. There is video of Biden and his flunkies telling America that the border is secure when there was live video of thousands of illegal aliens streaming across the border. He even ordered the air space over Del Rio to be a no fly zone so that the Fox News drones could not show the invasion coming across the border. He had to reverse his decision because the word was already out that he is letting thousands into America during a Covid epidemic with no medical supervision and just dispersing them all over the country. If you were going to make a bad situation worse there is probably not a better way to do it. No wonder deaths during the Biden administration eclipsed the death toll when Trump was president even though Trump left him a vaccine.
There is much more proof that Biden provided aid and comfort to enemy invaders that there is the President Trump caused an insurrection.

[Twalli]

Where an illegal goes in the U. S. typically isn't due to the actions of a politician unless you're Desantis.

[exitseven]

Yes, Biden is letting them go anywhere they want. Gov Abbott is shipping them to sanctuary cities. In a brilliant move to overwhelm them and make the citizens that live there think twice about voting Biden in for anothr 4 years so he can finish the job.

[Twalli]

He is letting them go wherever they want, he's not taking them there or giving speeches for them to go to specific places. If Trump had let insurrectionists go to The Capitol, that'd be different than giving a speech telling them to march there.

[Red_Arrow]

Biden has not stood in front of a mob that he whipped up and told them to attack people or our government. Trump did.

[Lliam]

Show me a quote where Trump told people to attack people or the government.

[exitseven]

When did Trump tell people to attack anyone? Can you find video? I would like to see it.

[DryGermanGuy]

Yes. The tiers are called "people with money" and "people without money".

[DextroShade]

Yes they should and the entire Biden family should die in prison.

[OddBeMe]

More than that. I’m white but not rich, so I’d be in the mid tier.

[Anonymous]

Yes, judges are political activists. Both republicans and democrats have put activist judges on the court in exchange for political favors.

[AngryCarl]

That sounds like a false equivalence.

[QuietRunner]

Yes sue President Biden

[Anonymous]

Too early in the year for negativity