Have you heard of “Salami Tactics” of fighting?

[OddBeMe]

It’s an interesting subject as it seems powerful politcal forces may be doing that with us.
Say getting us to fight over wedge issues like abortion, rather than global warming or money in politics.

The only actual term for this “tactic” is from Hungary, when it was fighting the commies.

Yes

No

[Drewtate]

I've heard of non-lineal political warfare. Basically a politician like Putin has both sides of the political spectrum supported such as the Lgbtq & anti Lgbtq, feminism & anti feminists, abortion & anti abortionists etc. The whole idea is to keep the population fearful and feeling as they are constantly under attack so they are always unbalanced not knowing which way is up or down, angry at all the wrong things and oblivious to things that they should be aware. That's Russia but when you look at how divided the us is now, its no wonder most are ambivalent or indifferent or just fearful.

[goaded]

And who is causing that?

[Drewtate]

@goaded well when the banks were bailed out while they took us taxpayers houses who gained the most? Who gained out of covid? Who gained out of the Iraq/Afghanistan war? Who gained out of obamacare? Who gains out of the Ukraine war?

[OddBeMe]

Wait…wait…Putin has both LGBT and Feminists supported?

You know gay bashing and domestic violence are legal in Russia right?

[Drewtate]

I don't doubt it. Its genuis. You support both sides and distract from real issues, in Russia's case they create an enemy for people to take out their anger rather than be angry about the low wages and bread ques.

[goaded]

@drewtate How is that supporting both sides? There is only one side in Russia, and that's Putin, he's a dictator.

Houses: the rich.
Covid: corporations took advantage to raise prices, the rich took government money and then got to keep it
Wars: the rich
Obamacare: the tens of millions who finally had health insurance

Who benefits from student loan forgiveness?
Who benefits from defunding the IRS?

Which party was against Obamacare, student loan forgiveness, and enpowering the IRS to go after rich tax cheats (taking in $522 million in owed taxes so far)?

So, chuck out Republicans who do nothing for you but feed hatred, and eat the rich.

Did I say "eat"? Tax. Tax the rich.

[Drewtate]

@goaded sorry but thanks to obamacare drug companies, health insurance companies and hospitals were able to charge whatever they like, far from being socialism it was instead one of the biggest capitalist wins ever.
Defending the IRS, did we really need 80,000 armed IRS agents?
Student loan forgiveness? Who benefits is the college industrial complex who already charge too much and sell bullshit degrees to people not fit enough to attend college in the first place. Liberals tell us that if you have a college degree you will make more than someone without one so why is the us taxpayer paying their loans off?
The wealthy elites fund both sides, the Democrats have no intention of taxing the rich.
Putin is always on his own side but his party does fund all sides, that way they are in control.

[goaded]

You've got a government that's run for the rich, that's obvious, that doesn't mean having tens of millions of people getting health care that they couldn't before is bad.

There were never "80,000 armed IRS agents". They're accountants. The IRS Criminal Investigation unit, which I suppose might include some armed agents, has three thousand employees.

It's a fact that students get lumbered with loans, some of them never manage to pay them off. Forgiving some of those loans essentially injects money directly into the economy, which helps everybody. What happened to cheap colleges? Who is calling for free tuition, and who is trying to undermine all education?

Putin just kills or imprisons journalists and his opposition. The countries are not comparable.

[Drewtate]

@goaded through obamacare tens of millions of people couldn't afford healthcare, in fact there is more people now without health insurance because they can't afford the huge premiums needed to pay for obamacare.
But if college graduates are going to make more than those that didn't go to college then why is the taxpayer giving them money to pay their debts?
Pitin controls both all sides of the board, makes it easier to round up people.
This is old but worth watching
https://youtu.be/hAg0AZWa1ds?si=eetjkH3v_0fnSNRe

[goaded]

Sorry, can't be bothered with Jimmy Dore any more. Have you heard of "Critical Ignoring"? ↗

Would you fix Obamacare by throwing poor people off health insurance or by providing a government run health insurance that doesn't take a profit and can negotiate with care providers to keep prices low?

[Drewtate]

@goaded poor people are the ones struggling to pay for obamacare.

[goaded]

20 million more people have coverage since it started than before, about 12% of the population. Do you think they were rich?

Even if what you say is true, how would you suggest it gets fixed?

[Drewtate]

@goaded and 25 million working tax paying Americans don't have health insurance coverage because they can no longer afford it.

[goaded]

How would you suggest it gets fixed?

[goaded]

This is another "it's not perfect, so it's useless" thing, isn't it?

Do you understand the fallacy of the false dilemma? ↗

[Drewtate]

@goaded I remember antifa attacking Conservatives protesting us involvement in Syria and Libya. Those in power only want to uphold the status quo

[OddBeMe]

@drewtate This will go faster if you dicks stop regurgitating bullshit. Or least do homework first.
www.cnn.com/.../index.html

[Drewtate]

CNN? Sponsored by Pfizer crime syndicate of course.

[goaded]

Ad hominem, much? www.reuters.com/.../factcheck-irs-armed-idUSL1N2ZT296

[Drewtate]

@goaded the IRS has been given 6 times their budget and has confirmed at least 20,000 IRS agents being hired. It is clear that soon the IRS will start cracking down on small buisnesses and families to help pay for biden's wars.

[goaded]

Are you going to keep claiming they'd be "armed"? Or that there would be 80,000 of them (87,000 in some false tellings)?

www.reuters.com/.../

What properly funding the IRS will do is rake in some of the hundreds of billions of unpaid taxes from people with enough money to hide their incomes, using an investment of tens of millions.

"It is clear..." No, it's not. It is clear that that's what rich tax cheats want you to believe.

[Drewtate]

@goaded can you explain to me why the IRS needs 4,600 guns includes 3,282 pistols, 621 shotguns, 539 rifles, 15 fully automatic weapons and four revolvers and 5 million rounds of ammunition?

The rich don't need to cheat on their taxes. They pay accountants to help them legally avoid paying tax. Democrats have no intention of stopping this because if they did they would have changed the tax code by now. Remember Democrats have been in power 3/4 of the last 4 terms. The IRS intends to go after the working and middle classes

[goaded]

I thought there were going to be 80,000 new armed IRS agents? I guess they could take turns.

Taking you at your word, they have those firearms because the IRS also go after criminals who cheat on their taxes, and the department I referred to earlier is tasked with that.

"Criminal Investigation (CI) is the law enforcement branch of the IRS. Our mission is to serve the American public by investigating potential criminal violations of the Internal Revenue Code, and related financial crimes, in a manner that fosters confidence in the tax system and compliance with the law.

As a Special Agent you will combine your accounting skills with law enforcement skills to investigate financial crimes. Special Agents are duly sworn law enforcement officers who are trained to "follow the money." No matter what the source, all income earned, both legal and illegal, has the potential of becoming involved in crimes which fall within the investigative jurisdiction of the IRS Criminal Investigation. Because of the expertise required to conduct these complex financial investigations, IRS Special Agents are considered the premier financial investigators for the Federal government."

No, the rich don't have to cheat on their taxes, nobody does. People do, though, and the rich have more to gain and have more resources to obscure their finances, which is why the Biden administration and the Democrats passed a law to fund the IRS to go after those hundreds of millions in unpaid owed taxes every year. Particularly people who earn more than $400,000 a year.

[Drewtate]

@goaded why do they need guns at all. They could have 80,000 guns in the morning.
To quote Chadwick Boseman "This is America".

[goaded]

They've got fewer guns than a Texas town, and they are law enforcement for the entire country.

"Retired special agent Anthony Dominicis wants to reassure Americans that the IRS is not coming after them with guns.

... only the Criminal Investigation division is allowed to carry guns. CI devotes 72 percent of its resources to those who evade taxes, but the rest involves criminals of all stripes: drug gangs, money launderers, cyber crooks and scam artists, according to the agency’s 2021 report, which said it conducted 1,372 investigations during that fiscal year.

Domenicis, who retired from the department in 2019, told The Post that he never fired his gun while working for the IRS as an undercover special agent within CI.

He did sometimes draw his weapon, as in 2005 while arresting a Mexican drug dealer holed up in a ranch house outside Phoenix. The suspect had vowed not to be taken alive."
nypost.com/.../

[Drewtate]

@goaded he's retired so out of the loop. We were told we could keep our doctor & our health plan that was lies.

[goaded]

Why is it so hard for people to admit it when they are wrong? ↗

[Drewtate]

@goaded will you ever admit you are wrong?

[goaded]

Not when I'm not. But, yes, I've apologised for being wrong on here a few times, most recently to exitseven, although I can't remember the conversation.

[Drewtate]

@goaded apology accepted.

[goaded]

That's funny.

[goaded]

I think the problem comes from saying "they", as if they're not the people voted in by us. Vote for better people!

I know it's a serious question, and looking at this maybe 50 years on it's horrendously racist (13 minutes in), but I couldn't help thinking of this...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ch4IWMwwaQU

[OddBeMe]

Yes they is a conspiracy theorist wet dream. But I can point to Walmart, Chase Bank etc lobbying groups like ALEC as “they”. So they’re not invisible. We’re just not discussing them because we’re arguing about a 6 week old fetus.

[goaded]

Oh, if you're talking about corporations, that's indisputable. https://wolf-pac.com/

[OddBeMe]

Yeah. I mean politicians aren’t breaking laws there…ish. And our system is so fcked that they have to be for cash more often than governing.

[goaded]

I remember that one of AOC's advantages is that she doesn't spend half (or more) her time begging for money when she should be working for her constituents.

[OddBeMe]

Swear to god the dnc should devote a whole wing to mirroring her strategy across the country.

[NathanDavis]

can't be that people find out about this just now... lol

I realized it at age 6... which is when I decided that I would never vote on a bipartisan "democracy" and I never have, lol

[mandyfire98]

https://youtu.be/RGztRPL3Wcc?si=DEYYe4rcyQ9uN8Hb

[NathanDavis]

@mandyfire98 politics is asshole...

so is Math

[OddBeMe]

@NathanDavis So your 6 yr old mind is as far as you’ve pushed this logic? If you don’t bother to vote I say you aren’t allowed to complain.

[NathanDavis]

I don't complain either... I just stay away from it, and see for myself

as I always have... you've certainly not seen me making six posts a day, every day about politics... lol

[goaded]

So what you're saying is that you've fallen for it.

[OddBeMe]

@NathanDavis Debatable, but I’d say just start giving a shit. Our elections are very secure, as we’ve discovered recently. Its really the only check on power we have.

[NathanDavis]

well, you two can keep our power on check...

meanwhile I'll go get some tacos with @mandyfire98

have a great day dudes...

[OddBeMe]

Peace out lazy ass

Should trade you for a migrant who’d give a shit about the country.

[NathanDavis]

trade me for some Cheetos instead

[OddBeMe]

Nah, Cheetos we got. Lay about citizens we need to get rid of.

[NathanDavis]

or some Snickers... they might put you in a better mood, lol

[OddBeMe]

This week is gonna be dark as shit. Just fyi. Take everything with a grain of salt.

[NathanDavis]

I always take you in consideration @OddBeMe and always with the salt and pepper ready as well, no worries...

[OddBeMe]

I do have short fuses for people who don’t vote. America certainly doesn't encourage you to, I will grant that. And is constantly disheartening.

[NathanDavis]

well... one should not be advertising what one does but rest assured that I do a lot and plenty for our community and in both countries as well

we're doing our part

and I do not only write angry stuff online, I do walk into city halls and make stuff happen, we do... not just me

[OddBeMe]

Im sure you are. I just wished more people believed in the voting process. It’s the only thing we have that actually works as a democracy. Proven by Trumps lie.

[exitseven]

I know what it is but I did not know it was named after a pizza topping.

[OddBeMe]

It pretty much divide and conquer with a little more to it. But I found it interesting. Damn Hungarians.

[QuietRunner]

The real problem is the high cost of salami today. We can't afford to fight over good food.

[Sevenpointfive]

i didn't fight the commies. please explain