Do you think the hike in illegal migrants are actually caused by a better economy?

[OddBeMe]

This should be a variable in economic measurements. Fck GDP. How many border jumpers are there this month? Lots. Oh good.

COVID DOWNTURN…. prolonged by Trump.

Yes

No

[GuyAnswersGirls123]

It does seem to me like there's typically a greater influx of illegal immigrants during periods of economic growth. Yet I have to question if the pandemic case applies since the relative decline and growth of the economy compared to countries like Mexico, Honduras, and Colombia were relatively proportional to the decline and growth of the US. That is to say, this wasn't a case where the US surged in economic growth (including labor participation rates) rebounding from the pandemic independently of these South American nations. They too faced sharp economic decline around 2020 and also rebounded with tremendous growth towards the latter part of 2021.

I'm admittedly not an expert on this topic but I think at least a nontrivial factor is the replacement of Johnson with Mayorkas for the head of Homeland Security with his much more lenient and humane approach to border security.

Establishing Sanctuary States for illegals also seems like a wonderful marketing campaign to invite as many illegals as possible across the border.

[strateguy632]

excellent presentation of the relevant factors. tnx. i mean it!

[exitseven]

Massachusetts is a sanctuary state and there is a right to shelter law as well. 250 million has to be taken out of the general fund every month to support the thousands of freeloaders that have poured into the state. Ove 1100 citizens a week are fleeing the state to more citizen friendly states like Florida. There is a billion dollar shortfall in the budget which has to come from either raising taxes and fees or cutting services.,

[strateguy632]

the increase is due to the rewards these "border criminals" get from government, for breaking the border laws and the immigration process, so more want the rewards too. if i got a rewarded to do a crime i would expect others to try to get the rewards too.

[douride2]

in my opinion they come to the US because it is way better then where they came from.

[OddBeMe]

So larger migrant numbers mean our economy must be better. That logic works.

[Anonymous]

I am continually entertained by the ways some people will twist the facts to try to excuse the dismal performance and poor decisions of this president.

For the rest of us, there's no question why Biden has the second worst 3rd year approval rating of any president in the last 70 years.

[Avicenna]

It does require a lot of cognitive dissonance to think what Odd claims to think.

[OddBeMe]

There’s no question because you’re in the cult of Trump.

[Opinion Owner]

I have never supported Trump. Is the threat of another Trump term the only reason you are so dishonest about the failings of Biden?

[Avicenna]

And then there are the large costs of dealing with violent crimes that illegals commit.

[OddBeMe]

I try not to be dishonest. What failings of Biden? He has successfully pulled us out of the hole Trump’s Covid response (or lack of).

[Avicenna]

Now that is just plain gaslighting, Odd. And you know it.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna please tell me where have went wrong?

[Avicenna]

Is that a serious question? Are you claiming that all Biden policies have been great?

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna No. I wouldn’t even be able to list them. I do follow economic news and see he’s got us out of the Covid hole Trump threw us in.

[Avicenna]

How do you conclude that if you aren't even familiar with his policies? You are familiar with the huge inflation the Biden years has brought us, right?

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna I am familiar with the inflation that’s ravaged our land…a horrible after effect of a pandemic Trump let get out of control.

Or do you have another hate group you’d like to link a “study”… and you say I’m dishonest and sleazy.

[OddBeMe]

Thankfully Bidenomics seems to be working and he’ll have a lot to campaign on.
www.cnn.com/.../index.html

[Avicenna]

You of all people have no business labeling any critics of illegal and stupid policies and the lies behind them a hate group- you are a proven racist and anti-Semite.

I don't know why you fellate the illegals so much- was your wife once one? You also suggested she is a member of some master race and superior to whites.

[Avicenna]

And you are beyond ignorant about economics- back up your vague claim that COVID caused Biden's inflation.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna I don’t link to actual hate groups. You do. FAIR is a hate group you fucking moron.

“Connected to white nationalists”
bridge.georgetown.edu/.../

[OddBeMe]

Gee let’s see what the liberal Ben Bernanke and Brookings Institute say…lol
www.brookings.edu/.../

[Avicenna]

You tell me exactly how Trump caused it, because that isn't what their paper says. You grasp at straws because you don't understand economics. If you can't explain it, don't just put something up there that you don't understand and hope that no one sees that.

[Opinion Owner]

"I try not to be dishonest."

"He has successfully pulled us out of the hole Trump’s Covid response"

Um... try harder.

[OddBeMe]

Literally sent you links to right wing financial think tanks. Definitely not friendly to my politics.

Does it bother that all your beliefs are driven by emotion?

[Opinion Owner]

"Does it bother that all your beliefs are driven by emotion?"

The irony of this comment coming from you is precious. You are literally the embodiment of everything you hate, just with different political views. People like you, on both sides of the aisle, are the reason there's so much hate in America today. But of course, you're not smart or honest enough to recognize it in yourself because you're too blinded by the hate you work so hard at here every day.

[OddBeMe]

Please explain. Of course I have emotions. But this is a correlation,

[Avicenna]

Odd, I don't think you realize that the illegal invasion isn't an issue that breaks neatly along ideological lines. I tried to explain that to you by reminding you that Cato is libertarian.

You can always find someone to throw money at you if you're willing to use pretzel logic and make BS claims. And you don't understand what these papers say in the first place.

At the end of the day, Odd, you can't explain how the illegals will ever be a net economic benefit for anyone but the wealthiest. They certainly aren't for the nation as a whole- they will probably never be net taxpayers and much of what they earn they send back to their home countries in the form of remittances. Where is the benefit to the economy as a whole, especially to ordinary Americans?

Those aren't arguments driven by emotion.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna The net positive is them investing their time and families in our towns. The only way to see it as negative is to be a racist fuck. Which is where we are.

But my only point was immigration spikes are a sign of a mending economy. Immigration laxes during downturns.

[Avicenna]

You're insane. It shows in your racism and anti-Semitism, and it shows in your deluded claims that we need the illegals (most of whom are unaccompanied males). The only way to see the cost of taking care of these people as nonexistent, and therefore to see them as a benefit when they clearly are not.

You're beyond clueless about economics and pretty much everything else, but the huge crush of illegals is because they know that the Biden Administration has rolled out the red carpet for them, including ending Title 42 and the Remain in Mexico policy, which was very successful. Even the United Nations has joined in, giving the illegals money for their trip to the US.

But in your idiot echo chamber, facts don't penetrate.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna I’m racist but you link to hate groups. Lol

[Avicenna]

Disagreeing with a traitor like you isn't a "hate group", and you're a walking hate group yourself.
Yes, you're a racist piece of shit and the illegals you love are imposing large costs on US society. So why is a racist like you so eager to bring unlimited numbers of them in... ah, wait, you're the same idiot that has called for trading people like slaves and calling for US whites to be stripped of their citizenship. Maybe you want to make slaves of the illegals.

I've never encountered someone who loves the illegals who isn't having sex with them or making money off of them.

Billions of dollars are being spent to house and take care of the illegals. Billions that could be spent on infrastructure, housing for people here legally, or plenty of other better things than spending tons of money on people who have violated our laws from Day 1.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna you keep saying it but I don’t link to actual hate groups like FAIR or keep pushing white nationalism.

[Avicenna]

You can't deny the many things you've posted on this site- including anti-Jewish hate. You're a proven racist. You even came out and said that you were once (while claiming to do better).

You're a delusional piece of shit, but so everyone can see how stupid you are, how do you conclude that "white nationalism" has been pushed? How do you conclude putting out a research paper is "linking to a hate group"? How do you claim a group that disagrees with your love of the very expensive illegals is a hate group?

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna actually I can deny that. I’ve posted anti Israel shit. Is that antisemitic?

[OddBeMe]

I claim a group is a hate group when experts on hate groups agree they’re a hate group.
www.splcenter.org/.../federation-american-immigration-reform

[Avicenna]

Experts? No, leftists targeting political opponents. Leftists that need bogeymen to get huge donations. They're no experts, they're grifters.

But here's what this alleged hate group has to say:
https://www.fairus.org/about-fair

What We Believe
Immigration, within proper limits, can be positive. Adhering to the rule of law is central to successful assimilation and citizenship.

Tough decisions require strong leadership. Strong leadership, in turn, is underscored by defined principles that anchor public policy.

Immigration can be an emotional topic: We believe in respecting the basic human rights and the dignity of all involved. As such, FAIR opposes policies based on favoritism toward, or discrimination against, any person based on race, color, religion, or gender.

We understand that under any rational system of ordered entry, the demand will always vastly exceed available slots. Tough decisions will therefore always be necessary."

Some hate group. You've been caught lying once again. Your problem isn't just your extremist ideology, but that you aren't intellectually curious to think for yourself, so confirmation bias comes into play.

[Avicenna]

And, Odd, you posted not only anti-Israel stuff, but anti-Jewish hate. And as we have seen lately, the same people who hate Israel, surprise, surprise, hate all Jews.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna what does the KKK say? Probably non invasive stuff too. You’re an idiot for marketing.

As an advertiser, I thank you.

[Avicenna]

And here's FAIR's stated objectives:

"Our Objectives
FAIR seeks to reduce overall immigration to a more normal level. Reducing legal immigration levels from well over one million at present to a very generous 300,000 a year over a sustained period will allow America to manage growth, address environmental concerns, and maintain a high quality of life.

FAIR puts the interests of American citizens and future generations ahead of big business and partisan demands."

Wanting to cut immigration to 300k a year is in your book a "hate group". Shows how extreme you are.

[Avicenna]

I don't know what your friends in the KKK say, Odd.

[exitseven]

It is fuelled by all the free stuff they get. They are treated better than taxpayers. In Biden;s America it is the citizens that are second class.

[OddBeMe]

I keep fcking asking for any proof they get free stuff. Illegals pay sales tax and get nothing for it.

[exitseven]

Yes, they pay sales tax. Where do they get the money to buy the stuff that they pay sales tax to buy? Did they come here with thousands of dollars in their backpacks? Do the get it from the cartel that smuggled them into the country? Maybe they did a few B&Es I suppose.

[Avicenna]

Illegals get nothing? Are you high, Odd? Why is the mayor of New York complaining about the billions his city has spent on housing, feeding and providing medical care to a few dozen thousand illegals? Do you honestly think that the illegals pay for their medical care (much of which is delivered in emergency rooms)? You do know that they are eligible for emergency Medicaid as well, right?

Illegals also send their children to public schools and get free meals, at least breakfast and lunch. Think that is nothing, Odd? Think ESL services in schools cost nothing?

The United Nations also gives money to the illegals to help them travel to the US. The US pays around 22% of the UN budget.

And that's what they have the right to (some states offer more benefits). It would be naive to assume they never get any benefits that they are not supposed to.

[exitseven]

@Avicenna In this state they are being put upin hotels and get catered "cu;tutally appropriate "meals/. The National Guard was mobilized, not to round them up and get rid of them. They were mobilized to act as bell hops to help our new visitors move into their new homes,

[Juxtapose]

Illegals will literally be given $3,000. In order to be tried by law they have to have a home and whatnot and how the laws are set up, they're given all kinds of stuff for free so they are deemed fit for trial.

[Juxtapose]

https://www.gao.gov/products/t-hrd-93-33

[Juxtapose]

"illegal aliens' eligibility for various programs; (2) the reasons for the lack of program cost data; and (3) national and state cost estimates. GAO noted that: (1) illegal aliens and their U. S. children are eligible to receive emergency Medicaid services, primary and secondary education, school nutrition services, and Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and food stamp benefits; (2) cost data are not readily available because illegal aliens are not required to reveal their eligibility to receive certain benefits, and officials are often prohibited from inquiring about the status of illegal aliens; (3) the total costs of providing benefits to illegal aliens is unknown due to federal and state cost data limitations; (4) the estimated cost of providing AFDC benefits to children of illegal aliens was $479 million for 1992"

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna we discussed this already. He’s a mayor under fire and shooting for the lowest hanging fruit (immigrants).

If you’d like to post to evidence of what illegals get from our country, I’m all ears. Otherwise, the cost of illegals is just what we pour into bullshit agencies like ICE.

[Juxtapose]

See my link Odd.

[Juxtapose]

"of the five states that account for about 80 percent of the illegal immigrant population, California provided the most benefits totalling $2.9 billion; (6) the cost of providing benefits to illegal aliens is expected to increase some program costs; and (7) the complete fiscal impact of providing benefits to illegal aliens cannot be determined, since government revenues attributable to illegal aliens are unknown."

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose wow, 1993. You need to read more. And then check that 30:years policy hasn’t changed.

www.fns.usda.gov/.../non-citizen-policy

[Juxtapose]

Yeah I posted more and the problem is these illegals should not be receiving a single penny. They are entitled to absolutely nothing.

[Juxtapose]

Anyone caught illegally entering the country should be disbarred from entering the country ever again.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose you have a hardline on immigration when hurts you…not at all. Maybe take a hardline on politicians taking money from foreign govts. Worse right?

[Juxtapose]

Actually illegal immigration hurts the country in numerous ways. Wages get depressed, the voting habits of the population change, the culture of the population changes and also illegals can get recruited into the military and police forces so they can brutalize the citizens. That's a tactic commonly used by dictators, collect and hire foreigners to brutalize your own people. There are people even talking about military service being a path to citizenship.

If that doesn't send big fat red flags your way, something is wrong with you.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose that’s actually not that true. Alabama tried kicking out all their illegals and its economy nearly crashed.

I’d say the only ones hurt by immigrants are those in competition with shit jobs. Otherwise, them paying sales tax probably makes everything a surplus. Unless we shit it away on the ICE budget.

[Avicenna]

Odd, you are beyond clueless. Paying sales tax doesn't make someone a net taxpayer, and you hugely underestimate the cost of taking care of the illegals, which is so much even leftist mayors are flipping out about it.

The illegals will mostly be net negative taxpayers during their time in the US, even before you consider the fact that they send billions back to their home countries, often partly from illegally claiming too many dependents and often working off the books.

I've seen estimates of $7 billion in sales taxes paid. Illegals cost much more than that:

www.fairus.org/.../fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers-2023

And there are people who need to work jobs in which they are in competition with illegals, sometimes even two of them or as a second job. To arrogantly look down your nose at them is beyond pathetic.
And no one in their right mind (a group that clearly doesn't include you) would suggest that we get rid of all border enforcement.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna What’s with you guys and research. Your own side dismisses that fucking hate group
www.cato.org/.../fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed

[OddBeMe]

At least start here. It has some cost break downs,
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12291891/

Then follow it up here genius,
apnews.com/.../fact-check-immigrants-taxes-rent-vaccine-requirements-983035929946

[Avicenna]

Cato is libertarian, i. e., supports mass immigration. And the methodology in the paper you cited not only flawed, it doesn't cover the Biden years, when the costs of illegals has been far greater.

Your side, Democratic mayors and their constituents negatively affected by the illegals, have made it clear you're wrong. And the huge redistribution in income to the super-wealthy is not a positive thing (even though your source relies on it).

[Avicenna]

I just told you this above- don't just a slap something up there- explain exactly how it backs up your claims.

[Avicenna]

Case in point, the AP article says this:

CLAIM: There are more than 18 million immigrants in the country without authorization but, unlike U. S. citizens, they are not required to pay taxes, rent, or receive vaccines.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Recent estimates put the figure of immigrants in the U. S. without authorization at about 11 million. Regardless, they face taxation, housing costs, and work or school immunization requirements like U. S. citizens.

Seriously, Odd? You post something like that with a bunch of straw men that doesn't address or support your claims.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna Associated Press is straw man? You literally quoted their assessment that illegals are taxed and pay for housing dipshit.

[OddBeMe]

Don’t you hate being mad all the time? It’s like fucking Jedi school. Your anger is driving your beliefs. And even swiping away legit sources that prove your beleifs wrong.

Cato institute is too liberal? You fucking kidding me?

[exitseven]

@Avicenna each illegal alien costs the taxpayer between $35000 and $50000 per person per year. There is no way they pay that much in sales tax. It is ridiculous to think that taxpayers are not on the hook for billions of dollars.

[Avicenna]

Odd, I can understand someone not understanding that libertarian is the far right. But you should know the difference between libertarian and whatever term du jour you use for leftists. And, yes, libertarians are for mass migration (without the provision of welfare benefits).

Unlike you, Odd, I have spent a considerable amount of time around illegals both in the US and Germany, so I have my personal observations, my knowledge of economics and politics, and common sense to fall back on when it comes to interpreting facts, arguments and advocacy masquerading as a scholarly paper.

So I don't just blithely accept the nonsense you post in support of illegals, the vast majority of whom will never be net taxpayers and whose presence hurts the poor and middle class while benefiting the wealthiest people. Besides, what part of illegal don't you understand?

[Avicenna]

@exitseven, yeah, Odd's claim that they pay sales tax as a justification for their presence is beyond pathetic The estimates I've seen is $7 billion a year in sales tax payments from them. And look at the billions in remittances they send back to their home countries rather than spending or investing in the US economy.

The figures you gave are entirely plausible, especially given state and local handouts to the illegals.

[Avicenna]

Odd, you can't possibly not understand that I quoted it to show you exactly what I meant by straw men, i. e., straw man arguments. Are you really that dense? You used an article with irrelevant straw men as support for your bogus claims. You can't do that sort of BS and be taken seriously.

You can't possibly be as stupid as you have shown yourself to be on this thread. Maybe I am giving you too much credit.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna me waiting for proof of any welfare to illegals. Waiting…

[Avicenna]

It's been given to you already. And you greatly overestimate the value of sales taxes. The problem is that your confirmation bias is so great that no one can tell you anything and you don't even understand the issues involved.

To give you one example, California now gives Medi Cal (their version of Medicaid) to all illegals. Any idea how much that costs? Any idea how much it costs to educate children in the US illegally? That is why I have told you more than once that the illegals will usually never be net taxpayers, i. e., pay more in taxes then they consume in social services. There's a lot at the state level you go out of your way to ignore. For example:

www.latimes.com/.../california-food-benefits-undocumented-immigrants
www.cdss.ca.gov/.../cash-assistance-for-immigrants

Furthermore, I doubt that food banks and charities are turning away illegals. Emergency rooms sure aren't, and neither are schools.

There is no economic benefit to bringing in millions of people who send as much money as they can back to their home countries, drive up housing prices, depress wages among low- and semi-skilled workers, make educating our native-born poor more difficult, consume charitable and welfare resources that should go to poor legal residents, and redistribute wealth to the wealthiest.

That you keep blindly defending the illegals and their enablers despite the large costs they place on society is inexcusable.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna yeah those aren’t illegals.
www.nilc.org/.../...ty_food_stmps_CA_2006-1-11.pdf

[OddBeMe]

You are never honest in discussions.

[Avicenna]

I specifically put sources in there that referenced illegals getting things. Maybe you need better and more up-to-date sources. Also, don't assume that laws and regulations are always being followed when it comes to the illegals.

Furthermore, we haven't even mentioned the illegals who are criminals and terrorists, as some of them are known to be.

LOL, you wouldn't know honesty if it hit you in the face and knocked some sense in you. Why do you love the illegals so much despite the huge costs they impose on society?

[Avicenna]

You haven't the slightest idea what is in any source you link to- you linked to a document published in January 2006- 18 years ago. How clueless, lazy and simply naively stupid can you possibly be?

Talk about never being honest- you've been caught in a lie once again.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna slaps face…that’s when the law was written dumbass. It’s a page describing California law.

[OddBeMe]

You link to racist hate groups and criticize my links. I’ve said before I should stop interacting with your dishonest ass.

[Avicenna]

Your links don't back up what you claim, that's why they're criticized. It's your own fault you don't vet your links before you hurriedly post them.

No matter how many times you say the same lie, it's still untrue. The illegals cost society a lot of money and no matter how much you worship them and lie for them, that's till true. And someone pointing that fact out in a study isn't "hate". Nor is it when Democratic mayors do it.

But what is hateful is your Nazi-style calls for stripping white Americans of their citizenship and other racist and anti-Semitic shit you have a long paper trail of. Or your calls for ethnic cleansing under the guise of "economic efficiency". What a sack of shit you are.

If you can't handle the truth, by all means get lost.

[Avicenna]

And here's why you don't rely on an 18 year old document when you have a source from 2022:

"The record-high state budget deal struck by Gov. Gavin Newsom and lawmakers includes $35.2 million to expand the state’s food assistance program to age-eligible residents “regardless of immigration status.” Funding for the new program is set to increase to $113.4 million annually in 2025-26."

That's from the LA Times article I linked to. Do you know what "regardless of immigration status means", dumbass?

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna ok. So say half goes to illegals. You think their sales tax equals 50 million? Or more?

[Juxtapose]

Haha "hate group this" "hate group that" and then you post biased leftist sources.

JFC.

[OddBeMe]

@Juxtapose right just with posted evidenced of the group activity. But go right on lauding the white nationalists.

[Juxtapose]

Hahaha 🤣

[Avicenna]

Odd, to show you how dumb you are (and not very good at demagoguery), I'm Hispanic and Jewish. And not only was my mother an immigrant, I was too.

Being a Grievance Studies major, you don't understand economic issues. And I can tell you haven't spent time around illegals (I have). Because of your ignorance and idiotic leftist ideology, you make a fool of yourself.

I already told you how much the illegals are estimated to pay in sales tax (you obviously didn't pay attention), and the certainly aren't net taxpayers overall. Whatever sales tax they pay pales in comparison to the costs of housing and health care as well as other things gifted to them (including lawyers). And how much of that sales tax comes from money gifted to them? Obviously at least some do, and it certainly isn't an economic benefit when the money comes from taxpayers.

And speaking of taxes, don't get me started on their fraudulent claiming of dependents...

[Juxtapose]

@OddBeMe there we go, a real immigrant telling you how it actually is.

[OddBeMe]

An Hispanic Jew! Oh my! I don’t really care as most people on here claim lots of things to win arguments. Doenst make you less racist. Link to another Hate Group.

[Avicenna]

You've clearly lost the argument, especially when it comes to the economics of the illegals. So now, you, a racist who wants to strip white Americans of their citizenship, claims whites are all on welfare and sitting on their butts, and who wants to trade people he doesn't like as if they're slaves, is calling someone else racist based on... nothing? Yep , sounds like the delusional shit some Marxist would say when he's been shown he doesn't know what he's talking about.

You're racist, Odd. A real piece of shit.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna I love when right wingers say I lost the argument. Between us, who links to Hate Groups twice?

[Avicenna]

Your claim has already been debunked. Doubling down on it just shows everyone how extreme and crazy you are.

Wanting to limit immigration to 300k is pretty sensible. You, on the other hand, want unlimited numbers of illegals.

Every day localities struggle to find places to put the illegals- in Chicago, they sleep on the floor at the airport and on the floor in police stations. Yet you claim this is some great benefit for our society.

[msc545]

Yes but the MAGA people on here won't admit it.

[Drewtate]

Quite a turn around in these so called sanctuary cities.

[OddBeMe]

@Drewtate what are the sanctuary cities? Because I bet most pay for the other shit red state cities.

[Drewtate]

You know southern cities are pretty wealthy. Why do you think African Americans are fleeing to the old confederate States out liberal cities in the North. Why do you think californians are fleeing San Francisco and LA to texas, arizona, Colorado, utah, nevada etc.

[OddBeMe]

@Drewtate I haven’t read about a mass exodus of African Americans. Californians are moving out because business is taking over the big cities. And Texas, where I live, intentionally gives blowjobs ri corporations and doesn’t tax them. We also have one of the worst rates of poverty and healthcare issues for the poor.

[Drewtate]

No. Buisnesses are fleeing la, San Francisco etc too. Liberals have run those cities into the ground. Wallmart & target can't cope with the legal shoplifting city policy

[OddBeMe]

@Drewtate you say that but in Texas liberals run Dallas, Houston and Austin. Guess where those businesses are flocking?

[Drewtate]

I'm afraid not. That texas money is very Conservative

[OddBeMe]

@Drewtate and your metric for that is…? Oh just bullshit.

[Drewtate]

Who do you think I'd trying to get the southern boarder secured

[slatyb]

It's mostly caused by worsening conditions in their home countries.

[OddBeMe]

Who caused those worse conditions?

[Drewtate]

Caused by lax us immigration policies.

[OddBeMe]

@Drewtate in their countries? Lol no.

[OddBeMe]

Allende and other “socialists” wanted to give a few cents extra to the minimum wage and Dole Fruit (yes look it up) had them taken out by juntas.

[Drewtate]

What happens to a country when all their best, brightest, youth and workforce leave?

[OddBeMe]

@Drewtate Why are they leaving tho?

[Drewtate]

Liberal politicians running the cities into the ground.

[Drewtate]

More to our lax immigration laws encouraging ever more to come.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Suddenly capitalism's criticisers are in favour of GDP growth. You do know oil wars in the Middle East serve to secure your GDP as well? Well, why do you not support those?