If COVID had never happened, we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation. Before COVID it was rare for a business that was open all day 8 to 5 o'clock would have any employees working from home.
I, myself worked for 30 years working
8 to 5 o'clock jobs along with everyone else that worked there. Afterall, it was a business!
People that had to work at home because of COVID got a taste of working at home and liked it. Now they think workt 9 to 5 isn't workable for them. It's no scam, believe me.
Did you notice that when people were working at home you hardly received as much mail as before? Because they were working at home and didn't have office equipment nor the people there to run a business. You'd call and usually got voicemail and they would call you back when it was convenient for them.
I hate to say it, but you got a taste of working at home and now you think working a job and staying there all day is just too much for you.
Look, I hated being cooped up in an office 9 hours a day, and couldn't wait until the clock struck 5. They were long days. And I was a single mom after my divorce. I had to get up early, get us dresses, did breakfast, by 730 we were out the door. I drove my son to school the drove 18 miles one way to work, get coffee, and be at my desk by 8:00! This was the norm for people before COVID.
It's time we get back to life the way it was before COVID. Other people did it during their entire career. That's why they got a retirement check when they retired.
What has changed that is so different for you that you cannot do what millions of people did everyday?
You are spoiled! It won't kill you! We all did it. Pull up your boot straps and get to work people
No it's not a scam!
LOL.
I'd possibly not say its a " scam " , but there is some form of deception , but basically they do what they say , pay you , give you 2 weeks leave ( USA - 4 weeks Australia ) , but what they dont do is care at all about you , I told my daughters do as I did , just be completely selfish while producing a profitable result so it cannot come back on you , and milk it for all you can.
Few of my roles were 9-5 pm , but really its all the same , when I went back to Australia for a bit ( ended up being 8 months too long ) , I thought " Ohh , I will go get a job " , that will be fun , it was post Covid and there was a bit of an employment crisis , so I went for 6 roles over the period , and blow me dead I got all six !! So I worked all over the place , back in property ( at the end ) , a bedding chain , a golf course , in parliament house , Caravan sales , and although I hated most of it , what really struck me was the dedication of a few at all of these roles , and the dedication to this , kind of unwanted cause. It made me think , either I'm an absolute lazy arsehole , or these people need to get out more , there was politics in even the most pathetic of roles ( Golf club as a prime example , run by idiots of a particular race ) ..
Long answer short , they dont give a flying fck about you , but it can be beneficial to you if you use the experience , or get a side hustle out of it , so maybe " scam " is too harsh , but it certainly has its limitation , my advice to people would be , play it smart , avoid the politics , make as much $$$ as you possibly can , dont involve yourself emotionally with the boss ( free work ) , push the boundaries to the limit , try not to be over committed , dont work hard ( just smart ) , never be a big fish in a small pond ( got one particular guy in my mind here , we all know one ) ..
Part Scam / Part Real = sitting on the fence.
Not necessarily, mine paid the bills, I was not in debt and able to save up money for an eventual perhaps maybe house in a normal housing market (But thats not the 9-5's fault, thats family homes costing half a million dollars fault, which is an immigration issue) and it was a job I enjoyed doing.
So I got what I wanted out of it which was something I enjoyed to a reasonable degree that also paid the bills, and the degree for that job was $4000 which you could reasonable earn back in 2 months pay.
So I definitely didn't get scammed and have great career opportunities (Burnout aside).
But if you were someone who got scammed by the education system I can imagine you feel very differently. Because a lot of education is the scam. You don't learn anything, you are now in massive debt and the 9-5 isn't able to pay that debt off, while you may have been stuck doing something your overqualified to do because there is an overqualification issue and very little jobs for that many people with university degrees.
But why scam? Being a lawyer, accountant, software engineer, salesperson, CC, whatever... are real jobs. Where you face the client, you don't have so much flexibility, but the rest don't even have to work in the mentioned hours. Important is to get your job done.
And the best part is that many companies keep wfh, so you decide when and how you work. What time you get up, eat breakfast, take morning shower, drink your coffee, read work emails, answer them... when and how long your lunch break will be and what will you do? I will go for a run :D
I wouldn't switch my 9-5 job for anything else.
It says you are in Poland, where your economy is up the swing. I don't know everything about your country, but I am sure they treat their workers differently than where CoachTanthony is from. In America, you will spend 5 years engineering software for a company. You make amazing software you millions for the company, but you'll only see 100k out of it before taxes. And then once you've fully perfected the software and helped train migrated everyone to the the software that you spend 5 years developing.
And now that software you have developed for the past 5 years is finish and they no longer need they lay you off and now you have to find another job. And your software that spend 5 years making belongs to the company and you have ownship to it. It is the companies product now and you won't get a dime for a the 5 years of work you put into the software. There is union nothing you're out on the streets looking for another job.
So where you are from, it might be better, but maybe in his country, it is worse because he doesn't want to put his heart and soul into his work, just for the company to take it and get rid of him.
@ComteDeSaintGermain it's the same everywhere. If a company needs you, then keeps you; if not, then lays you off. The only difference is probably in the notice period.
it's an art to show your employer what you know and how they can use you in different ways. Take into account that I am a woman, and I work in a male-dominated environment, it makes things only harder for me.
And no, it's not as beautiful or easy as you write. It's everywhere the same - hard work and the ability to find your niche and show your best skills. Just sit and write code; everyone can do. Provide upgrades, increase security level, take care of uncovered bugs, increase test coverage... only those who want.
The project I started to work on when I was hired was finished over a year ago. Now, I work on the side project I was writing in my spare time. Because everyone was so happy, something like this could be provided. No one asked me. I found the niche, the missing element, and created an application to fill the gap.
I put my soul and heart into my work because I simply love what I do. The company is irrelevant, at least in the beginning. Now I know people and have friends and memories, so company has meaning for me.
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Definitely a scam in my opinion. No company gives a shit about you. You could work 40 years for them and they'd fire you if you weren't performing at the level they want you to or be replaced by someone younger. You're literally being paid to forget your dreams and help someone else achieve theirs.
Honestly though, there's nothing wrong in working a 9-5 to save up and invest in your own side hustle or business of your own. You gotta do what you gotta do. And even if you don't want to do run a business of your own at all, it's fine. Not everyone has an entrepreneurial mindset and prefers something more consistent/stable.
The work at home model was okay when the economy was shut down. Nobody was really thinking about productivity. most were just thinking about staying in business long enough to see the end of covid.
When the economy was opened again and companies were getting busy again it was apparent that allowing workers to stay at home was severely impacting productivity. Many companies required people to come back to the office at least part of the week.
Jobs are supposed to be unpleasant. It is part of the definition. why do you thiink that you have to pay somebody to have one. ?
Ill counter that last part, I get paid to do my hobby. And not only do i get paid to do my hobby, I also get the tools funded and a realistic playground. Obviously not the entire job is my hobby but a large part of it is since I turned what I love into my career.
So why pay me? Because I know what i am doing and am good at what I am doing. You want something done I enjoy doing? Awesome, but you compensate me for my time, energy and skill. Supply and demand still applies even if its fun. If I had infinite money i'd probably still volunteer to do some of it, but then I am only picking the handful of tasks I am excited about enough to do it ofr free.
@sawno not everyone gets to have a fun job. I originally majored in communications. I wanted to be the next Ted Baxter. I quickly found out that you really need to be related to somebody in the business or have other connections because everyone wants those kinds of jobs. You must have lucked out.
Most jobs are soul sucking arrangements where you spend your life doing something that you would rather not be doing just to make enough money to pay your bills.
I had a job in sales that I really hated. Ay least I was able to dig myself out of that mess and find something better.
For me its not necessarily luck, I just happen to enjoy something that has a demand. I have always been into computers, fixing odd computer issues and toying around with Windows. Which is the perfect foundation for all the good IT administrator jobs. Now I get to play bug detective and build my own deployments while getting paid for it, and I don't need the tedious work of building a fake environment to do so, win win :D
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If it was fun, they wouldn't call it work. Right?:
First, 8-5 is 8 hours. In America, a lunch period is required, with some exceptions for jobs that need you during the whole time and that you can eat while on the clock. Many medical jobs are that way. So you are more likely there 8 and a half hours.
Many jobs are the opposite of a scam. The company I work for has many positions and you can switch to one you like better if you show you are qualified. We have many people switch from manual labor to office work, and vice versa. And within those categories are many sub-categories.
We see bonuses at least annually based on how the company is doing, which is dependent on how the employees work for the company. There are many types of profit sharing you can enroll in. They pay a management company to manage many different funds you can invest in and make quite a bit of profit. They have 401K plans that offer matching funds from the company.
No way is this job a scam!
I think work hours and location is clearly depended upon the nature of the job.
Factory jobs which require people work together physically as a team must have strict schedules to take place. Many bureaucratic desk jobs that require limited human interactions can in fact be done anywhere on a very flexible schedule.
The conflict is where the benefit/cost of said schedule effects employee/employee differently and your trying to weigh the balance in trade based upon their respective value in the market. In labor shortages the employee is most valuable. When you flood a market with cheap replaceable labor the employer has the most value.
A job is a job. A TEAM is a scam.🤣 For a the things we criticize generation Z for this is one thing I enjoy about them. They are more likely to give their bosses the middle finger.
When anybody has asked me what I do I always would say "I'm in the business of (my name). And everything I do is for the furthering of (my name).
The reality is jobs are businesses paying you as little as they can while trying to maximize your output. It's not personal! Too many people take it personal. Your allegiance should ALWAYS be to your paycheck, never to your place of employment. Give the. any song and dance, but never lose sight of that reality.
m my brother started working at a 9 to 5 job... kept that job for around five years
nowadays he has at the very least 95 people working under his management, in three countries... and still working for the same company
so... it is always the people who make the difference sometimes, the job alone can't do much for you if you are not up to the many challenges
I don't know if it's a scam, I don't work that schedule. Never have. I think it's centered around the idea. Employees used to be at a certain location for a certain amount of time. I do believe work hours have changed in the last decade or more. The focus being on getting a certain amount of work done versus how long it took.
m Try getting up at 5am or 4am for a 12 hour shift, or starting at 4pm and finishing when day shift comes in at 8am. A 9 to 5 sounds appealing, oh and throw in working outside in all weathers.
I’ll pass 😉
Quality of life vs Money. I have no solid opinion but I always thought that people's lives could improve if given the option to work less hours or from home. But I suppose it would interfere with the growth and economy of the country hence what I said in the beginning. I may be wrong, just a thought.
Here are my thoughts
Is it a scam? No. Is it for everyone? No.
Some people enjoy their jobs or careers having set hours and not everyone desires to run a business or be a freelancer.
For me personally, I actually prefer a 9 to 5 over the other because a business owner doesn't truly get rest and I have no desire to 'hustle'.
That's more stupid than usual from you. Assume you were going for the overreaction though.
A job is a companies subscription of you. If you don't like it you can try for another. But it's not right to call it a "scam" just because you don't agree with it.
Never called it a scam. I am just seeing if other's think it is a scam since it was in the news.
Scam for sure.
My ‘in office hours’ are 8-4 but realistically speaking it’s 7-5 which kinda blows. The crazy part is, I absolutely love my job. Just not the people who work under me and whom I need to oversee. They suck.
I've never had a 9-5. When I worked in the restaurant industry I was mainly dinner. Then I was in the army, then I was doing army-type things, now I work in D. C. from 0700-1530
It is worse than a scam. Half the reason people rely on emotionally potent oversimplifications in political discourse is because people are too exhausted from work to have time for anything in depth.
Can't agree, can't disagree. It is pretty straight up x hours for $y.
I like working so some would think I am scaming myself by putting more hours in, but it is for myself in reality.
Re Henry Ford. There was a big movement for the 8 hr day in Australia around 1856. There is a monument for it that predates HF and is generally thought to be the inspiration world wide.
monumentaustralia.org.au/.../32235-eight-hour-day-monument
depends on the job. if you spend 8hrs a day growing healthy food that people can consume then thats not a scam. if you're making something useful in a factory, like ceramic bowls, or forks, then it's not a scam. now if you are (from 9-5) running a pick up artist operation, promising weird guys that they can "get any girl they want", then that's a scam. if you are, from 9-5, a doctor that prescribes people medicine they don't need, that's a scam
Pick up artists work 12 hour shifts. Hardest working people on the planet.
Pretty much, I’ve never really worked a conventional schedule. I prefer shift work, get I into work mode for a couple weeks and grind it out then actually have enough time off to do something. Plus I hate commuting every day
If you think it's a scam, try to work in the hospital as a resident. I never know when I will be called in. And for how long. Enjoy.
Yes and so is education and academic degrees. What a waste of time.
Putting money to work and multiplying that money is so much more preferable to me.
It's changing. More employees and employers are realizing it doesn't always take 40 hours to do a job in a week, especially 40 hours in office.
There are some hold overs who think if you're not in the office from 9-5, you're not being productive, but many employees can do their job in 5-6 hours and spend the rest of the time engaged in non-work activities
it's whatever lol it's a job isn't it and you need the money
what
How it is a scam? Those people do not have basic knowledge of economy. Who keep the shops open? Who will fix your car? Who will fix your teeth? etc. Those are the same people who thinks economy just make stuff itself.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/QVuiScLmM3M
A big one. It's soul sucking and a waste of time that you will never get back.
Time is far more valuable than money.
Why would you think that it's a "scam"? Those are the hours that many people work, in a variety of roles, for multiple firms. Is an eight-to-four job a scam, or a six-to-two job?
Nothing dishonest about a job. You work, they pay you. Seems that a fair deal
Not sure its a scam but I would be miserable if I actually had to do it.
I think solely relying on it for income your whole life is a scam, more people need to be small business owners.
What do you mean? You're getting paid aren't you?
And Even Work Some, Hun, From HOme. xxoo
The scam is not telling people that life is hard and many people just get by.
Shit pay. Shit conditions. Shit benefits.
Nobody works 9-5. It's 8-6 now 6days per week
It would be great if I only worked 9-5.
Our whole existence is a scam
Yeah, not enough work
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