Should the U. S. Give Israel or Ukraine Any More Money?

[Kelley1]

It's always concerning when any federal legislation gets solid bipartisan support. That's certainly the case with the U. S. Senate's overwhelming support on Tuesday for a $95 billion supplemental foreign aid package that includes $60 billion for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel.

Only two Democrats, one independent, and 26 Republicans voted against sending billions of dollars to conflicts that the U. S. is neither a belligerent in nor stands much of a chance of changing the outcome of with more money.

The 26 Republicans who voted against the aid bill—citing its fiscal impact, the more pressing need for federal resources at the southern border, and/or the hopelessness of a Ukrainian victory—were choosing "to forget about world leadership," wrote New York Times columnist Bret Stephens.

The three non-Republican nos—Sens. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.), Peter Welch (D–Vt.), and Jeff Merkley (D–Ore.)—all based their opposition on the civilian casualties Israel is inflicting in Gaza.

https://reason.com/2024/02/15/the-u-s-shouldnt-give-israel-or-ukraine-any-more-money/

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. Shouldn't never given them a dime to begin with.

U. S. tax money should be for the benefit of America and its citizens only, not for foreign nations.

[bobby_bush_eater]

Nope we should've never given them a penny in the first place. Not our wars not our problems. We have plenty of domestic issues as is

[Jersey2]

I think that Europe should shoulder the burden for Ukraine. Ukraine wasted much of the artillery shells by using mass fire like Russians when these weapons are more like sniper rifles with extreme accuracy. They used expensive missiles to take out cheap drones and some there stole large amounts of the money. Yeah, we are near done with them.

Israel will have to fight its way out of this. American Jews will vote for Biden but Democrats don’t want to support Israel. I don’t care either anymore as a Republican since for far too long Jews have given money and airtime to Democrats while Republicans were supporters of Israel.

[strateguy632]

Democrats don’t want to support Israel? it was bipartisan! the opposition was republicans!

[Jersey2]

@strateguy632 The democrat base does not want to support Israel. Its changing. Just look at Michigan as well as the youth vote. The Muslims here will not support it and they will outnumber the Jews in the future. The young people are already protesting on campus against Israel and for Palestine. Some Democrat leaders are backing off from Israel and that will only accelerate.

[DryGermanGuy]

No, no and no to the first paragraph. Simply not true.

[Jersey2]

@DryGermanGuy Then the first sentence is true.

[DryGermanGuy]

Yeah, agree, we are on it. A couple of days ago a new ammunition plant was started in Germany and the EU approved a 50 billion Euros help package for Ukraine.

[Jersey2]

@DryGermanGuy That’s good.

[Lynx122]

I don't see the point in giving money to Israel since they're already way more technologically advanced and rich than Palestine. But with Ukraine I do think there is a point to it. Russia is an enemy of the U. S. and if Russia actually takes Ukraine it could cause more problems down the line. If Russia attacks a NATO country next then things will really get messy. Right now it's just costing the west some money and weapons and Ukraine is causing Russia a lot of trouble. Ukranian soldiers are fighting for the future of their country so they're very motivated and they have a lot of experience now in how to fight the russians after 2 years of war. If they lose then next time western countries will need to send their own soldiers to the front lines. It will be a lot more costly.

[strateguy632]

what about the expenses for the "umbrella," palestinian shot and are still shooting deadly rockets into israel... try to murder, attempted murder... so israel forced to
use expenses for anti rocket, rocket. not just a few! hundreds! palestinian should pay for that expensive but until then israel deserved help.

[Unit1]

War is expensive. Unless you want putlers dogs to step into your homeland too and have them turn it into a warzone and fire at peaceful civilians, the tributes are necessary.

The "governments" of BRICS hates America and Europe and would love nothing more than to see those being reduced to a smoking wasteland and a field of bones. Like the conquered territories in Ukraine today.

[Surely]

Ukraine no! Let the neighboring countries do their part in helping Ukraine for a while. After all. If predictions are correct. They will be the next Russia’s next fight. Then NATO can ask for help!
Israel knows how to fight and have the resources to obliterate their enemies. Tourist need to avoid those middle eastern countries. Then they won’t be taken hostage!

[Surely]

But with no monies going to Ukraine. The Biden crime family won’t be getting their kickbacks!

[strateguy632]

too late. i wish i could put a screenshot in reply. biden confirmed Americans were taken hostage by palestinian. and biden kept repeating "soon free soon free", to silence opposition while abandoned American citizens NINETEEN weeks. no rescue mission. but biden is the "best" president according to historians... far from truth. worst president since truman and roosevelt. even worse than obama and THAT is saying something!

[OtterMan68]

Donald Trump has received more than $100 million in income from Russian sources in one-time transactions over the last decade, but does not have any outstanding debts or holdings in the country, his lawyers asserted in a letter that emerged on Friday.

[ChicoFromThe305]

No Biden or whoever is in charge of gifting our money has to stop giving our shit away, it's why the prices of everything aren't going down and might even rise again, he is wasting all our money on other countries, that skinless turd.

[ChicoFromThe305]

I meant spineless but skinless works too lol

[strateguy632]

true i agree but still we must not single out israel, stop all countries, but we do give kenya and others so israel cannot be less than others.

[ChicoFromThe305]

No we just stop giving away our money, the country's economy is gonna go to shit if all the money isn't within the country, we waste enough money just printing the damn thing lol

[exitseven]

Israel has been our ally for decades. They are really our only ally in the region so the US should back them up. Ukraine has just been the piggy bank for Biden and the intelligence community. We already gave them over 100 billion dollars. I think we should let the other NATO countries step up and take a more active role.

[strateguy632]

as a republican i sided with 26 Republicans to oppose big money to Ukraine. but if give to kenya then israel can't be less, that would discrimination jew, and since israel is the only parliamentary democracy in middle east, desrved more supprt than Ukraine.

[normalice]

Not Israel. Ukraine we never really gave any money to. Just our dusty ammo that we then paid ourselves to restock. I think we should do more of that as what's even the point of it all if we can't stop fascism?

[Daniela1982]

@normalice I understand we have given $Billions in Ukraine in cash too, in addition to older tanks, planes, and artillery. But it's not like our government is really honest about what they do or how much they really give. I believe they have gotten more than has been sent anyplace else, including Israel.

[normalice]

Spoken like someone who has never had to be on the receiving end of a government contract. Every penny is accounted for, lol.

[Daniela1982]

@normalice How much of that money was really for Black Ops programs and didn't go there at all? We trust the government too much. Do what they say, not what they do. :(

[normalice]

@Daniela1982 you might trust the government but I don't. Or rather, I trust them to be people not saviors.

[Daniela1982]

Trust them? Like hell! 😒

[normalice]

@Daniela1982 then why did you say "we" do?

[Daniela1982]

" We trust the government too much!" means only the idiots do.

[normalice]

@Daniela1982 so unless you are calling yourself an idiot, "we" is misleadingly inclusive.

[Daniela1982]

Lordf, why mee?

[normalice]

@Daniela1982 trolls get trolled, lol

[Daniela1982]

Well who is trolling you then? 🤔🤣😂😋

[normalice]

@Daniela1982 you, lol

[aceistheplace]

Not a dime to Ukraine. And Israel doesn't need the money. They just need the US to allow them to take the gloves off and end this crap.

[OtterMan68]

What would have happened to our Founding Fathers without the French?

Israel doesn't need our money, though.

[KrakenAttackin]

This is tough. There is so much corruption that surrounds modern foreign aid. I want to see the Ukranian's slaughter the Russians, but it seems most of the aid is being picked up by the Biden cronies.

[Daniela1982]

@KrakenAttackin And Ukraine oligarchs. They have to get their cut too you know.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Daniela1982 Without a doubt. I don't know what the answer is.

[Kelly6]

Us should give neither.

its not their fight

[Daniela1982]

@Kelley1 You live in Spain. What do you care that the US does? Russia or Ukraine are not bothering your country. I don't see anyone complaining how the Spaniards plundered the Americas and slaughtered the Incas and others for their gold. 🙄

[strateguy632]

@Daniela1982 excellent retort comeback + like mark.

[Surely]

@Daniela1982 You might have replied to the wrong Kelley?

[Daniela1982]

@Surely Possibly. how many Kelleys are on this thread? 😯🤔 If I got the wrong one my apologies. I just hit the @ and her name came up.

[Surely]

@Daniela1982 kelley1 is a college student? In the US. K6 is the one from Spain!

[Daniela1982]

@Surely 😯😟

[Anonymous]

No, I think we need to withdraw ALL financial aid to all countries.. Let them fend for them selves and blow each other to hell.

[DextroShade]

Fuck no, Ukraine has been robbing us and the Jews have enough money!

[Static_In_The_Attic]

I’m Voting YES because it’s only money & they can simply print more.

[lightbulb27]

it's not just money, it's weapons that don't exist.

doesn't matter what I think...

[Nice222]

No the U. S. should give it to US Citizens.

[strateguy632]

as a handful of Republicans explained their opposition!

[laly520]

its not the US fight

[Anonymous]

To Ukraine, yes. Israel no. Russia and Israel are both the aggressors in this situation.

[Lottifan]

Israel the aggressors. Good joke.

[strateguy632]

@Lottifan and people say they have empathy for suffering palestinian but revealed as fake no real empathy for others... what about jews abducted by hamas and STILL held as hostages in some gaza tunnel. who has real empathy for those forgotten hostages still held months later nineteen weeks! nobody but me mentioned.
that abducted was the aggressor by palestinian.

[katiesmuff]

I think more like LOAN them the money!

[Kykiono1]

NO NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS

[gorydetails]

Nope

[Pterodon]

Israel yes