I find undue obsession with others choices of wording regarding oneself reflects one of the following:
- Obsessive behaviour
- Personal Insecurity
- Seeking to feel respected without wishing to earn that respect
- Desperation to be recognised as they themselves perceive themselve to be by all others
It also shows a lack of understanding of invdivual rights and freedom of speech (everyone needs the right to call me whatever they like, but then I also need the right to likewise do the same to them. In a good society, we will work together to find acceptable ways to treat one another, which meets our mutual needs with as little compromise as we can afford).
On the other hand, a person who deliberately seeks to upset another person with some agenda by suing disrespect speech can be very debhilitating and as a society others need to speak out against such nastyness and nasty people (and defend people who have done nothing to deserve such an attack, but without trying to take away a persons right to be a jerk). Though this is rare, and usually the people suing such behaviours are problem people in society generally.
There are many examples, but all of them should be allowed to occur (not supressed), but also people suing such disrespect hurtfully in public, others should speak out against what they do, but only when its done with obvious malice and some attempt to harm an innocent.
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+1 yAs a male with a penis, why are you complaining? You are after all... well over 80 years old, being geriatric, right?
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That's not far from "gas lighting and offensive to hear... you know it's wrong and it can hurt. If someone is sensitive and "thinks" they are say... a frog, but you call them a donkey, it hurts their feelings.
That's the problem... calling "Mr" to someone that thinks they are a "Mrs" hurts their feelings. So they ask for their preferred pronouns.
Yes they are mentally ill but possibly physically ill as well. Something in the "system" is out of synch and thus lacks integrity. How much worse is it they will cut themselves to pieces to correct their perception of self?
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There’s nothing mentally ill or physically ill with people in the LGBTQ community and anyone who is actually licensed and trustworthy in the medical field would know that.
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@thatshydork, That’s actually a very detrimental view to push about their cause. Anyone who has spent time in those spaces knows that there are very serious issues at play and pretending that it’s completely normal makes regular people more intolerant of what they are increasingly viewing as a cultish indoctrination.
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@thatshydork I answered whey LGBTQ+ or some portion specifically trans and others are obsessed.
I haven't drunk the sis coolaide to believe teh above statement there is nothing wrong... whom is defining that? Years back I went to the Dr. and he said in effect... we are going to cut you open and fix something, else you are going to die. Yes trans people are cutting off parts or taking hormones and there is nothing wrong... something is wrong.
My argument would be there is something wrong with most everyone. The question is if you tolerate it and what you want to do about it.
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Sure there’s something wrong with everyone, but what I mean is that there’s nothing wrong with being in the LGBTQ community.
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@DarkWinterNights I never said that there wasn’t anything wrong in those spaces, I said that there isn’t anything mentally ill or physically ill with being in the LGBTQ community. Sure, they can be mentally or physically ill, but that’s not because of the fact that they’re in the LGBTQ community.
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@DarkWinterNights I apologize if I conveyed a different message to you, that is not what I meant. To reiterate what I said before, I recognize that there are people who are mentally or physically ill in that community, but their illnesses are generally not considered to be part of them being in the LGBTQ community. Of course there are some exceptions to this like people who have gender dysphoria who also identify with that community. However, saying that “yes they are mentally ill” implies that everyone in that community is mentally ill which not everyone is.
+1 yI don’t think ‘obsessed’ is the right term, but people ask for pronouns as a form of respect towards those who don’t use the she/her or he/him ones. It can hurt others when they’re called by the wrong pronouns, especially if they’re transgender. I mean, most of the transgender people I know and am friends with don’t really mind too much if you let the wrong pronouns slip every now and then, but generally prefer if you don’t do that. Plus, they’re just pronouns. We use them all the time in society. “She went to the market” “they went to the movies” “he cooked dinner” are all examples of pronouns being used in society.
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+1 yRead your own question critically for a second.
What group likes pronouns? Progressives. What do they support? Change, minorities, mental health and emotions.
What group dislikes pronouns? Conservatives.
What do they support? The status quo, majorities, external issues and logic.
It's the same sociological debate these two groups have been having for centuries. Of course people are going to be obsessed with pronouns, they're an emotion-based change to the status quo focused on mental health that a minority of people have. Conservatives have a horrified field day with it.20 Reply
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353 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It's an attack on language. Language is an expression of culture. Someone perverting the English language for example and pretending words have different meaning like men have vaginas and women have dicks is like any other form of bigotry where you fuck with someone over their race and heritage.
52 Reply2.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I don't consider they/them a valid pronoun so I don't use it unless I am refering to multiple people or something generic. Its insanely confusing in usage otherwise, if someone has anything that isn't a logical pronoun according to their gender I will not want to subject myself to the minefield of getting things correct so Ill exclusively use someones name in that case.
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+1 yI don't think anyone is obsessed with it. I've been asked my pronouns before and it's not a problem. Sometimes if I'm unsure whether someone is a man or a woman, I'll say they & their. Such as "I like their hair." As for why others have an issue with it, I don't know. But I've noticed sometimes people do choose to be disrespectful even after the person corrects them on what pronouns they go by (he, she, they, etc.). Which could cause a bit of chaos/drama.
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m +1 yNo one really worries about it, often it’s a single incident blown out of proportion. Certain countries do appear to be very anti anything not meeting their religious based requirements. In the modern world, yes it’s good to understand pronouns exist and it’s good to use them in the general respect of others.
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+1 yIt’s a very small percentage of the population. I give it no mind and, when I’ve been asked to provide my pronouns for meetings I’ve simply ignored the request. As for calling people what they want to be called? Whatever. I don’t. Being aware you’re unwell doesn’t give me license to be an asshole. Want me to call you something you’re not? I don’t really care.
00 ReplyTo me it's just retarded, BUT I don't really care unless they expect ME to use them. And they often demand others to use incorrect pronouns under a threat of social ostracism. Just don't make me participate in your mental illness and we're good, I don't care what you identify as.
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There’s nothing ‘mentally ill’ about being in the LGBTQ community and anyone who is licensed and trustworthy in the medical field knows that. Also, the word ‘ret***ed’ is an offensive slur towards those who are differently abled.
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@thatshydork being transgender means you have gender dysphoria which is a mental illness like any other type of dysphoria. I think you're the one being disrespectful to people with mental illness - I respect such people but I'm unwilling to participate in their illness or "affirm" it. If thinking that you were born in the wrong body is not a mental illness then what is?
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I’m not sure being transgender is a mental illness. I could be wrong, but all of my transgender friends don’t think of it as being a mental illness. Gender dysphoria is, but I’m not sure being transgender is a part of that. It’s a struggle for sure, but there’s nothing wrong with being in the LGBTQ community like it is implied when you say that they’re mentally ill just because they’re in the LGBTQ community. Plus, not all transgender people have gender dysphoria.
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+1 yIt is other peoples business... They're pronouns... Knowing the correct ones is kinda needed in order to be able to correctly address someone in future
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Asker+1 yWhat I meant was that other people shouldn't care if someone uses different pronouns, that's its not such a big deal that conservatives go around bashing people who use different pronouns. I just don't see why it's something to go crazy about, it's only pronouns they aren't hurting anyone so using them is fine in my opinion. Like I don't mind the whole pronouns thing, I just don't know why other people do
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People are forced in the work place to address people by their declared pronouns & can lose their job if they choose not to obide. Therefore, it is hurting someone else because losing their job behind it & forcing a person to go against their own moral or belief system isn't right
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Agreed. Proper titles. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not against LGBTQ people at all. I afford everyone the right to live their life & find happiness. I encourage everyone to be their truest & authentic selves & embrace individuality-even if it's not for me. I'm a Christian who stands firmly on her beliefs. I don't push my beliefs on anyone. I speak what the Word of God says respectfully but am not a Bible thumping brow beater. The LGBTQ lifestyle doesn't line up with my beliefs, so I don't indulge in it, but I'm also not going to tell someone who identifies as being in that community that they're going to hell because of it. That's not love nor showing the love of the God I say I serve. I don't judge anyone for their own life choices. I have no heaven nor hell to put someone in.
Example: Drinking excessively & going out to bars/clubs doesn't line up with my beliefs so when family or friends want to go drinking, I don't go. If we're at a function & they choose to drink, I volunteer to be the designated driver. I wouldn't spout Scriptures or preach at them, I'd just say I'm not drinking but will be happy to drive them home so they're safe.
While I'm happy that people who are LGBTQ have the freedom to openly live their lives & not live in fear for their life, I feel that the line of social acceptance & tolerance has gone too far & now infringes on me & my rights. The tables have turned & the scales are very unbalanced. - +1 y
@MsBell2018 Christianity is ingrained into society. There's many things we do because of Christianity, it is by default forced upon people. You using correct pronouns when addressing someone is incredibly minimal in the grand scheme of things.
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I agree to a point. Some Christian people push their views on others like their way is the only way & everyone else is going to hell in gasoline underwear! My point was when not using a person's choice of pronoun can cost you your job, it's an issue.
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@MsBell2018 no it's not. Showing blatant disrespect to a coworker is perfectly acceptable grounds for removal. If someone started calling you by he/him and continued to do so after you asked them to use your correct pronouns I'm sure you would complain and would consider it work place bullying. It's no different.
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Please tell me what should be done when you have a person that hires in as a he/him and for a month, tells you to call him Mike, dresses like a male & uses the men's restroom & then comes in one day in a dress, wig, heels, perfume, long nails, pantyhose, makeup, tells you her name is Melissa & her pronouns are she/her, uses the women's restroom and call her natural born women coworkers "bleeders & breeders." and goes to the Human Resources office to lodge a discrimination complaint when a coworker refers to Melissa as Mike as she has been known for a month. Now if someone had called Melissa a derogatory name, absolutely they deserve punishment or removal. When Melissa shows up on the scene after we've had Mike for a straight month and demands this and that AND disrespects every female there by referring to them in that manner, I have a problem. Causing these types of issues in the work place based on whether they decide to be Mike or Melissa on any given day & causing other coworkers to walk on eggshells & running to H. R. because a coworker accidentally refers to her as Mike after a month of doing so is ridiculous. Blatantly disrespecting female coworkers that either don't know her, have never talked with her, don't even work on the same shift with her is unacceptable. My job is a melting pot of different ages, cultures, races & genders & is very accepting & supportive of the LGBTQ community. We have a 0 tolerance policy for any type of bullying & discrimination. The issue is, this 1 person wants to have their cake & eat it too. They don't want to be singled out, bullied nor discriminated against, but want to be a bully & offensive to others. That's not ok. No one has treated Mike/Melissa rudely, spoken out of turn, bullied nor been discriminatory towards him/her. He/She has towards female coworkers.
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@MsBell2018 where did you come up with that incredibly unrealistic story 🥴
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Hate to tell you, it's what has/is happening at my job.
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@MsBell2018 then whoever is in-charge of HR is stupid and it's nothing to do with the transgender/ gender fluid staff member.
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I don't dispute HR being stupid.🤣
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@MsBell2018 people should be able to lay complaints about disrespect, the person the complaint is about should get warnings before action is taken
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I agree 100%. The issue was Mike/Melissa was being disrespectful how he/she was referring to females at work. He/she changed everything about themselves after 1 month of being a he/him & when a simple mistake was made of calling Melissa him, Melissa flipped out. That made it very 1 sided. No one treated him any differently nor badly when he came in as her. I understand this is an exclusive situation also.
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@MsBell2018 the fact that you're saying after 1 month shows you really don't understand it. Melissa had a life outside of work. They went their entire life I assume as Mike and decided that that wasn't for them. It's understandable to get upset at people who make mistakes on the name, and pronouns though it's expected to happen at first. Flipping out is a bit excessive but it is a very frustrating situation and can be annoying to correct people all the time.
You're also saying nobody treated "him" any differently when "he" came in as her. You still refer to her as "him" that's treating her badly. - +1 y
I do try to understand. I try to be supportive & respectful to everyone. I understand that there are people that don't like how they were born & want to or do change that. I support all of that. Please, be authentically who you are. What I'm struggling with is the flip flop back and forth of this particular person. Monday & Tuesday we get Mike, then Wednesday we get Melissa, then Thursday it's Mike & Friday is Melissa. I'm trying to be sensitive to the idea that they may be having issues within themselves trying to figure it out & trying to find where they belong & what works for them. What I don't understand is why 200+ coworkers have to walk on eggshells in that 1 person's process for fear of being fired. This is work. This is where we set our outside life aside and do our job & earn a paycheck. This is a business & we're there to work for them. That's my whole point.
26.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I saw a video with some woman who maybe worked in HR and she was talking about resumes. She said if a guy sent in a resume that had his pronouns she would automatically not hire him because he would be a troublemaker and alll the other employees would be freaked out that they might offend him. He may even sue the company. Personally, I would take his resume and file it away in the wastebasket.
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Agreed. Additionally, by not using that person's declared pronouns you can lose your job now!
I heard a pastor once say of the they/them pronouns that it makes perfect sense because the original definition of they or them is more than one or a group & in dealing with a singular person that chooses to use those group/ multiples pronouns, you're dealing with just that-a group or multiple something or another in a spiritual sense & someone who is unwell.
6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Right wing media. Republicans discovered no one will vote for them based on policy so they try to make people very angry about the culture war so that both sides vote based on that, instead.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yObsessed isn't the right term, It's about a form of respect.
Like for you, Imagine if you woke up tomorrow and everybody around you called you sir along with calling you a he and a him all day everyday from that point on.. Would you like it?
Honestly from my view point on that, I would feel like someone is insulting me if that happened to me..
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+1 yNo one cared until the trans freaks made it a problem and started demanding everyone else use their bullshit pronouns. What's even worse is you don't use someone's pronouns when you have a conversation with them, so they are trying to control how you talk about them.
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+1 yBecause a sick/deranged yet very determined group of people were able to use technology/media/entertainment to expose their “virtues”. They made it their life mission to do so and it worked unfortunately.
10 Reply If people know who they are then they do not care which pronoun people use. It is their own doubts what fucks with them. For example i dont care if someone calls me a woman. Why? Because i know who i am. Actually one of the coworkers wished me happy womans day on Friday and offered me some candy. I just laughed it off and told him i forgot to put dress on. Should have i gone full snowflake about it? I dont think so.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yNot everyone is obsessed with 'Pronouns' it is only The Intersectional/Identitarian crowd and the LGBTQ+ Alphabet Squad who are pushing the use of 'Pronouns'. The vast majority of ordinary people could not give a flying fart about them and the find The Intersectional/Identitarian crowd and the LGBTQ+ Alphabet Squad to be a major pains in the arse.
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Opinion Owner+1 yEdit; Here is why the LGBTQIA+ became so prevalent over recent years, the World Economic Forum admits it was funding it to break-up the nuclear family.
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12.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Because in their insular mind they "own" that pronoun and it's their "race card" to go off on others for "misusing" it.
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+1 yit is the strategy of new speak to enslave minds and by getting accounts frozen on facebook twitter etc. forcing us to add their way of thinking to our own personality.
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+1 yThey're spoiled rotten brat loony lefties that don't use the brains their parents gave them! Nobody WITH a working brain actually gives a flying fuck what they say!!
10 Reply 5.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. If someone asked you to call them Jim, would you call them Jane? Wouldn't that be rude? What's the difference?
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The difference is that Jim and Jane are names, not pronouns. Pronouns are attached to your gender, and are weaponized by certain people like a judge who got a 17 old boy disqualified from a tournament for the crime of making the judge uncomfortable because he was nervous before a match while being asked his pronouns
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Yes its rude not to, if they ask you. But the question is about people who obsess over it. Its not obsessive to ask. It is obsessive to disqualify a teen from a tournament for being nervous when answering, like in the example I gave in my first replie to you.
Maybe we just have different views on whats obsessive - +1 y
@Sasahara I think the question is phrased in a way as to suggest that people who ask about or use preferred pronouns are obsessed, maybe we just have different views about that! I'm glad we agree about addressing people the way they would like to be addressed.
The disqualification does sound excessive, but like it says in the original reporting: his opponent tweeted that he didn't think he should have been disqualified, but "remember y’all, this isn’t an excuse to attack inclusivity/people’s identity. Also remember that judges are, by the rules, completely unable to share their side of things."
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+1 yI dont like being corrected on it. Ima call you what you were born as. If you dont like it then ima say “it” and occasionally “they”
00 Reply 333 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I have no problem with people using whatever pronouns they want for themselves. I just can't remember everyone's and hope they aren't upset if I use an incorrect one.
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+1 yBecause saying it's not anyone's business but the person wanting a special pronoun is not correct, it's everyone's business when the person is demanding everyone use said pronoun..
00 Reply5.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Could Be Anything in This day In Age. lol!!! xxoo
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI was born female and I’m not trans but I wouldn’t be that upset if another person called me a man or a he.
I have been called much worse and can think of worse things.
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Opinion Owner+1 yI was born female and not trans. I wouldn’t be that upset if somebody called me a man or a he.
I have already been called worse things in my life and have already have worse things than being called a man already happen to me. The list is long of worse things that have happen to me than being called a man.
2.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. We are all being forcibly dragged into someones fantasy and oppressed to the point where we have to say what they demand we say, even though it makes no sense.
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Or lose our job!
I have issue with a man being in the women's restroom using it-especially when I have my 4 year old niece! Do not confuse the children or try to force your beliefs on them. I can't talk about God & my faith but I'm forced to call a person naturally born male 'she/they/them' & have no issue with this person standing in the stall next to me urinating like a man!
While I feel everyone has a right to their own happiness, I also feel everyone has a right to their own belief system & shouldn't have another's belief system forced on them. - +1 y
@MsBell2018 Exactly!
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+1 ybecause fascism is very contageous. fascistic ideas spread like a plague. that's what we see happening with this identity politics. it's a minority developing fascism against a majority.
00 Reply I don't know anyone who is. Are you sure about this?
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+1 yUse whatever pronoun you want. Just don't expect/require me to.
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+1 yThe problem isn’t some mentally ill idiot wanting to be referred to as a “they”. It’s that they expect other people to indulge their delusions.
20 ReplyIf they go by anything other than him/her they can keep going far the fuck away from me. It's pure narcissism along with probably several other mental health issues.
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+1 yIf someone doesn't like what I call them, I have a very neutral fallback position: I'll just call them "it".
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I call them by their name & that's it.
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@MsBell2018 Thank you !
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@Massageman I'm old school & the pronouns "they" & " them" referred to a group or multiple people. So if someone tells me those are their pronouns, I wonder if I'm dealing with someone mentally unstable ( like D. I. D
or schizophrenic) or a demonic infestation because no every day person refers to themselves in a plural sense unless it's something like that.
They were all abused as children. Being sexually assaulted as a child is a big reason many become gay. Well, simply being abused is a big reason many kids grow up to become focused on weird things like their pronouns.
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Some. I was sexually & physically abused as a child & am not gay nor do I want to be called a they/them. That's bad grammar!
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yYes it's their business, but the problem starts when they ask you to use They/Them while talking... and get mad when you don't
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free speech should allow people to say he, or in a girls scool "good morning girls" but we lack free speech and we can't say he, nor good morning girls... in a girl scool!
Opinion Owner+1 yYeah everyone's forgetting first amendment these days
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+1 yCall yourself whatever you want, but don't expect me to abide by the multitude of pronoun nonsense.
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Amen!!
They & them is used for multiples/groups of people. Only recently has it been changed to identify a singular person-utter rubbish. How is it that a person may waffle between deciding to be Mike one day & Melissa the next & I'm the one who's job is on the line if I don't referr to that person by their specific pronoun-when it's a regular change as the wind blows!
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI don't give a shit what people use--just don't expect the rest of us to play along and definitely don't go around DEMANDING it.
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but the fanatics shout and scream and personal attack if we say he! about the bearded guy before surgery.
Opinion Owner+1 y@strateguy632 Tell them to fuck off.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yIf it's not anyone's business, then why do they add them to their job resumes?
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+1 yBecause they have to much free time they need to get jobs
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+1 ypeople need to do something other than drug so they keep creating things to do when they are taking a break
00 ReplyBecause they have nothing else to do. And they/them is definitely stupid because it's wrong in turns of language which has been used for ages.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yIt’s not about it being a big deal or respecting other people - it’s about forcing you to accept an alternate reality.
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A M E N !!!
1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. media influencing em
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+1 yOnly a select group of extremists are
00 Reply727 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Using tags as a form of validation.
00 Reply4.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It is redundant when there are only two genders
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+1 yDon't know don't care
00 ReplyNo idea. For me it's just he and she
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+1 yIt's pathetic.
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+1 yi'm Religious so i am against it
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Asker+1 yPronouns have nothing to do with religion, what do you mean?
11.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. No idea
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