Non-citizens are being allowed to vote in the U. S. What do you think?

Question

Regardless of what the legacy news outlets say, there is a growing number of municipalities in America where non-U. S. citizens can vote. In fact, there are very few state constitutions that explicitly outlaw this practice.

Furthermore, the list of areas that illegal immigrants can vote in is increasing, with multiple bills being up for a vote in the near future.

This is all atop of the fact that illegal immigrants alter our electoral landscape in many other ways as well—such as changing the congressional apportionment map, the electoral college map, as well as the amount of federal dollars that each state receives.

Investigator · Accepted Answer

The worry with mass immigration is that people who just walked in the front door during a home renovation get equal voting power, compared to people who already live there, on what color the walls will be painted--even though they won't have to look at them forever after. Which is to say, the overriding question that needs to be asked is "who is affected by local policy and who gets to decide on it?" For a non-citizen (legally defined as an "illegal alien"), if they have been living in the same place for several years, or at least long enough to be considered full contributing members of the community--who have had time for local policy to influence their thinking--then technically the only difference between them and legal residents is "local recognition". It's the difference between a marriage recognized by the state and common-law marriage. Both of them are valid, but only one of them has legal precedent.

If a person's only crime is being in a place without documentation, because they have assimilated to local regulations and are, for all intents and purposes, residents, then are they actually non-citizens? The state would say "no", because it believes that only people that are officially-recognized can be present in good faith; anything else is tantamount to foreign occupation.

This is a hard subject to broach, because on the one hand, if you remove all borders and laws, then there is no such thing as an "illegal alien"/"undocumented migrant". Everyone is just a person. On the other hand, this logic assumes complete "place agnosticism", where everyone is a nomad and communities are just wherever. On paper, that sounds wonderful--there could be a global coalition of communes. In practice, it's not a thing. "Close-knit communities" do not scale to the entire planet. Everyone is from somewhere. Somewhere has a distinct culture, currency, mannerisms and customs. Somewhere cannot be anywhere and it certainly cannot be everywhere. Otherwise, nowhere is anywhere in particular.

Furthermore, if we decide to go full "globalism" and make everyone a citizen of the globe, then we have to ask "where is everyone?" Without states or borders, there are just land masses. Everyone intuitively knows that not all cultures and customs are equal--even if they don't want to admit it. To pick the most common two, socialism is not capitalism; these ideologies really cannot coexist, because their interests are mutually-exclusive. Some people will necessarily produce more wealth than others and are more free than others. If everyone is a global citizen, who is in charge? Who's culture is this new global colony going to endorse. You can't have a community without a culture, because then it's just a bunch of strangers living in close proximity and we call that a city.

All of which is to say, non-citizens voting in local elections produces a whole mountain of moral and legal complications and intricacies the average person is hardly suited to answering. It's already hard enough to get good policy passed in most jurisdictions these days, so the issue of people who aren't even here legally, having a say in how the whole community lives, is a compounding problem almost nobody wants to address. However, as we become more global in nature, irrespective of where we come from, this is going to be more and more of an issue going forward.

V_Injector · Accepted Answer

Changing the electoral landscape is their goal #1. They get those numbers up in the census and then get more Senate seats.

It's really sad because the people that are all behind this are not going to like it once they are getting shitted all over their chest with a straw out of their mouth to breathe. So much for being their comrade.

It just sucks we're all going to have to deal with the consequences of their choices.

Well, anyways, I think we're fucked. Welcome to the new world.

wiltingrosepetal · Accepted Answer

aight let me hop a plane real quick, I'm having a say 🙏 not because I have any particular opinions on that political landscape, I just wanna vote for whoever has the funniest name. That's how Deez Nuts made it into office, right?

sage2021 · Accepted Answer

Ah, we finally know why the border stays open. Easc illegal that walks through us a potential vote for the democrats. They can't win an election fair and square. They ALWAYS HAVE TO CHEAT!

Mybeachlife8888 · Answer

Wahhh wahhh wahhh….. proof or shut up. The republicans are destroying this country and non of its supporters even care. Tax breaks for the rich were one of the first things Trump did, and yet I’m seeing in the comments how the democrats are the ones working for the elites. Mind you this is while the democrats are supposedly helping bring in Mexicans who don’t want to work. You do know Joe has deported more people than Trump did, right? Think a little outside the box. Maybe just maybe the republicans are doing everything they can to make the boarder problem even more of a problem. Sounds crazy right? That’s because you’re brainwashed. You legit have no control over your thoughts on these issues anymore because you want to believe it’s all the democrats fault for everything. The democrats gave the republicans everything they wanted in a boarder control bill and the republicans turned it down…. Do you know why? If so please enlighten us all. I’ll give you my opinion and it’s because they are doing everything they can to make the democrats look bad so that they have a shot of gaining power again. They don’t give a fuck about the boarder and illegals coming here other than the fact that they know it’s a heartstring for you idiots and that they can use it against the democrats. Once the republicans get in power they are the ones who are destroying America and making deals to screw middle class and help the rich. You all have it so backwards. It’s a waste of my time to even write this because you’re so brainwashed. You want freedom right? Land of the free? Well go look at how the red states are making it so women can’t get abortions and are now going after birth controls and all that. How is that freedom? Want my opinion on why they are doing that? It’s almost another way of controlling the votes they need. This will guarantee anyone with half a brain (Democratic voters) will not live in those states. And how does that affect the elections? It keeps the power in the hands of the republicans. I’m no expert, not even close. But it’s so fucking obvious as to what’s going on in this country. But once again I’m wasting my breath because some people will never think any other way then the way they want to think. Critical thinking is lacking dramatically.

jshm2 · Answer

You are as full of shit as Trump, and on a fraction of his pay, to boot.

There is NO EVIDENCE of this so called "non-citizens vote" (which is double speak for "rigged election") that crazies like you harp on about.

Those are green card citizens who have either done some dirty work for the US state and granted leave, or are asylum seekers and have been granted leave to remain. Either way under US law, they are as entitled to vote or work as a born and bread Murican.

Shitbags seem to think there needs to be a separate law for "White Americans" and one for "immigrant Americans". That is not how democracy fucking works.

lightbulb27 · Answer

From saving private ryan… ‘the Statue of Liberty is kaput!’

Its wrong … not sure impacts this wlection that much inless they are disbursing them to toss up states.

Its a way to boost population, increase debt/money while securing power. It should be a. Violation of duty to uphold constitution with loss of job… eg failure to defend border. But thats not reality when they dont believe in a border.

I_Am_Loner0405 · Answer

I don’t think they should… they don’t know anything about this country or our politicians… They don’t even know our founding values. How are they expected to vote in a country they’re not citizens of?…

Dongie · Answer

The democrats are not going to relinquish power short of dying in office. They are bat shit crazy and have had a taste of living royal. Trump shook up the apple cart and they are fighting for their way of life which allows them millions of dollars, complete power and freedom to fuck children to death.

sawno · Answer

It means that the result will not be a fair result, I think its gonna turn out very bad if biden wins despite it being very obvious yet again that he shouldn't have won by fair means.

genericname85 · Answer

at that point you may as well let russia vote on the American president. a government that isn't elected by the people it governs is not democratic. but the American government isn't democratic anyway so whatever.

Sevenpointfive · Answer

if that happens i'm going to run for senate and taking bribes from the cartels that made this happen

MikeTheBartender · Answer

Forget about "what is a woman", now we need "what is a citizen?"... I identify as a citizen!!! 😂

Dargil · Answer

Why be a citizen if non-citizens have all the same benefits and none of the obligations?

AimeeKyle · Answer

Non citizens should never be allowed to vote, ever.

andreasderjuengere · Answer

Well... the U. S sticks its nose into numerous affairs of other countries.
To see how that feels like, the idea meets my approval.
Although I struggle to believe that the reference given here is fully 'true'.

Sharkstealth · Answer

The end of this country as a respectable nation.

SolitarySolace · Answer

Only American citizens who actually care about the country should be allowed to vote. As well as those who were forced to sign up for the draft /selective service. They are the only ones who deserve to vote in this country.

DaBiggestBird · Answer

Tah, how disgraceful. Though it shouldn’t surprise me

Hispanic-Cool-Guy · Answer

I think its wrong and those who are allowing it should be charged with a crime.

KokoroRamen · Answer

The experts are saying we’re going to have another terrace attack on US soil. I wonder how long it will take to Democrats to blame Trump.

Danzigdawson · Answer

Cool! If it's true, i'll drive to New York and vote against trump. But unfortunately, this is just infowars-grade bullshit.

LazerBean · Answer

That's ridiculous, should never be allowed.

JayBones2469 · Answer

I think they will vote for the same trash that ruined their countries. Form as many strong family alliances and conspiracies as you can. The dark ages are coming and they are coming quick.

OtterMan68 · Answer

What does the Constitution say about who gets to vote in local or state elections?

Lottydotty · Answer

Tbh if they're not from her they probably know more truth than most of Americans who vote

handsomelad70 · Answer

My mother was a Detroiter. Maybe I can go the the U. S. and vote.

Jerre · Answer

Non-Citizens Cannot voted in Federal or state elections

MrDaveAPSI · Answer

I'm a legal citizen, and I'm thinking of never voting again

Likethesky · Answer

USA politics is peak comedy if you ask me (from both sides)

BarryLiverstone · Answer

Makes sense. They live and work in the local area so why not?

Juxtapose · Answer

Haha told ya far leftists it was true.

dustybiker2 · Answer

More false information floating around.

musicbrain5 · Answer

Where is this information coming from?

jahaims · Answer

Just another step in making politicians money

Saykonx · Answer

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