Non-citizens are being allowed to vote in the U. S. What do you think?

[Lliam]

Regardless of what the legacy news outlets say, there is a growing number of municipalities in America where non-U. S. citizens can vote. In fact, there are very few state constitutions that explicitly outlaw this practice.

Furthermore, the list of areas that illegal immigrants can vote in is increasing, with multiple bills being up for a vote in the near future.

This is all atop of the fact that illegal immigrants alter our electoral landscape in many other ways as well—such as changing the congressional apportionment map, the electoral college map, as well as the amount of federal dollars that each state receives.

[Investigator]

The worry with mass immigration is that people who just walked in the front door during a home renovation get equal voting power, compared to people who already live there, on what color the walls will be painted--even though they won't have to look at them forever after. Which is to say, the overriding question that needs to be asked is "who is affected by local policy and who gets to decide on it?" For a non-citizen (legally defined as an "illegal alien"), if they have been living in the same place for several years, or at least long enough to be considered full contributing members of the community--who have had time for local policy to influence their thinking--then technically the only difference between them and legal residents is "local recognition". It's the difference between a marriage recognized by the state and common-law marriage. Both of them are valid, but only one of them has legal precedent.

If a person's only crime is being in a place without documentation, because they have assimilated to local regulations and are, for all intents and purposes, residents, then are they actually non-citizens? The state would say "no", because it believes that only people that are officially-recognized can be present in good faith; anything else is tantamount to foreign occupation.

This is a hard subject to broach, because on the one hand, if you remove all borders and laws, then there is no such thing as an "illegal alien"/"undocumented migrant". Everyone is just a person. On the other hand, this logic assumes complete "place agnosticism", where everyone is a nomad and communities are just wherever. On paper, that sounds wonderful--there could be a global coalition of communes. In practice, it's not a thing. "Close-knit communities" do not scale to the entire planet. Everyone is from somewhere. Somewhere has a distinct culture, currency, mannerisms and customs. Somewhere cannot be anywhere and it certainly cannot be everywhere. Otherwise, nowhere is anywhere in particular.

Furthermore, if we decide to go full "globalism" and make everyone a citizen of the globe, then we have to ask "where is everyone?" Without states or borders, there are just land masses. Everyone intuitively knows that not all cultures and customs are equal--even if they don't want to admit it. To pick the most common two, socialism is not capitalism; these ideologies really cannot coexist, because their interests are mutually-exclusive. Some people will necessarily produce more wealth than others and are more free than others. If everyone is a global citizen, who is in charge? Who's culture is this new global colony going to endorse. You can't have a community without a culture, because then it's just a bunch of strangers living in close proximity and we call that a city.

All of which is to say, non-citizens voting in local elections produces a whole mountain of moral and legal complications and intricacies the average person is hardly suited to answering. It's already hard enough to get good policy passed in most jurisdictions these days, so the issue of people who aren't even here legally, having a say in how the whole community lives, is a compounding problem almost nobody wants to address. However, as we become more global in nature, irrespective of where we come from, this is going to be more and more of an issue going forward.

[V_Injector]

Changing the electoral landscape is their goal #1. They get those numbers up in the census and then get more Senate seats.

It's really sad because the people that are all behind this are not going to like it once they are getting shitted all over their chest with a straw out of their mouth to breathe. So much for being their comrade.

It just sucks we're all going to have to deal with the consequences of their choices.

Well, anyways, I think we're fucked. Welcome to the new world.

[ApplePie409]

That meme is spot on. lol

[wiltingrosepetal]

aight let me hop a plane real quick, I'm having a say 🙏 not because I have any particular opinions on that political landscape, I just wanna vote for whoever has the funniest name. That's how Deez Nuts made it into office, right?

[sage2021]

Ah, we finally know why the border stays open. Easc illegal that walks through us a potential vote for the democrats.

They can't win an election fair and square. They ALWAYS HAVE TO CHEAT!

[Mybeachlife8888]

Wahhh wahhh wahhh….. proof or shut up. The republicans are destroying this country and non of its supporters even care. Tax breaks for the rich were one of the first things Trump did, and yet I’m seeing in the comments how the democrats are the ones working for the elites. Mind you this is while the democrats are supposedly helping bring in Mexicans who don’t want to work. You do know Joe has deported more people than Trump did, right? Think a little outside the box. Maybe just maybe the republicans are doing everything they can to make the boarder problem even more of a problem. Sounds crazy right? That’s because you’re brainwashed. You legit have no control over your thoughts on these issues anymore because you want to believe it’s all the democrats fault for everything. The democrats gave the republicans everything they wanted in a boarder control bill and the republicans turned it down…. Do you know why? If so please enlighten us all. I’ll give you my opinion and it’s because they are doing everything they can to make the democrats look bad so that they have a shot of gaining power again. They don’t give a fuck about the boarder and illegals coming here other than the fact that they know it’s a heartstring for you idiots and that they can use it against the democrats. Once the republicans get in power they are the ones who are destroying America and making deals to screw middle class and help the rich. You all have it so backwards. It’s a waste of my time to even write this because you’re so brainwashed. You want freedom right? Land of the free? Well go look at how the red states are making it so women can’t get abortions and are now going after birth controls and all that. How is that freedom? Want my opinion on why they are doing that? It’s almost another way of controlling the votes they need. This will guarantee anyone with half a brain (Democratic voters) will not live in those states. And how does that affect the elections? It keeps the power in the hands of the republicans. I’m no expert, not even close. But it’s so fucking obvious as to what’s going on in this country. But once again I’m wasting my breath because some people will never think any other way then the way they want to think. Critical thinking is lacking dramatically.

[Daniela1982]

@Mybeachlife8888 Spoken like a true Biden supporter. Sounds like you have the same affliction as he has - forgetfulness. It wasn't Trump who was giving $Billions to Ukraine or to house and feed millions of illegals. It's the Dems who are pushing Socialism and Wokeness. All this Transgender and gender identity didn't become commonplace on Trump's watch. Trump may be a POS, but so is Biden and his puppet masters. Unfortunately, they are the only two choices we have so we all have to ask ourselves under whose watch were things actually better? Let me remind you of all the people Biden left behind in Afghanistan and all the death he caused, not to mention the $Billions in equipment and supplies he left before. He was also the Bozo who sold off the remaining border fence panels for scrap and who halted the continued building of the fence that Trump had started. He is also preventing the border state Governors from taking action against the invasion of illegals. Texas put up razor wire to keep illegals from crossing the river into the US. Biden had it torn down. I hope I'm wrong, but I sense some terrorism might just be in the planning phases, because they government has no idea who all the millions that came in were really up to. Sure, they undoubtedly had a lot of good people looking for a better life and who would contribute to the economy and not be a drain. But there were also scores of criminals, killers, cartel and gangs, rapists, and thieves come in. Welcome to the New America.

[zagor]

Yeah critical thinking from someone who can't spell. But just blame the rich for that.

[jshm2]

You are as full of shit as Trump, and on a fraction of his pay, to boot.

There is NO EVIDENCE of this so called "non-citizens vote" (which is double speak for "rigged election") that crazies like you harp on about.

Those are green card citizens who have either done some dirty work for the US state and granted leave, or are asylum seekers and have been granted leave to remain. Either way under US law, they are as entitled to vote or work as a born and bread Murican.

Shitbags seem to think there needs to be a separate law for "White Americans" and one for "immigrant Americans". That is not how democracy fucking works.

[lightbulb27]

From saving private ryan… ‘the Statue of Liberty is kaput!’


Its wrong … not sure impacts this wlection that much inless they are disbursing them to toss up states.


Its a way to boost population, increase debt/money while securing power. It should be a. Violation of duty to uphold constitution with loss of job… eg failure to defend border. But thats not reality when they dont believe in a border.

[I_Am_Loner0405]

I don’t think they should… they don’t know anything about this country or our politicians… They don’t even know our founding values. How are they expected to vote in a country they’re not citizens of?…

[Dongie]

The democrats are not going to relinquish power short of dying in office. They are bat shit crazy and have had a taste of living royal. Trump shook up the apple cart and they are fighting for their way of life which allows them millions of dollars, complete power and freedom to fuck children to death.

[KokoroRamen]

The first time an illegal votes, Republican, the mass deportation will begin.

[V_Injector]

@KokoroRamen Remember those Cubans that started voting Republican... the left started calling them white supremes 😂 🤣 You're right though. They did start wanting to ship them right back to where they came from at that moment. Thankfully that got DeSantis over there keeping that bullshit in check.

It makes sense though... flee an ultra-left place to come here... they might not vote left. Depends on if they get nothing but free gibs or they end up working to survive like the rest of us though.

[KokoroRamen]

@ႶპVპႽႽ
Fox News sent a reporter to the border to interview the illegals. He asked them if they came here to work. Since the cartel already trained them what to say, they all said they did not want jobs they just wanted to asylum. 😅😅🥹😅

No, I don’t want to work. I just want the free shit.

[Daniela1982]

@KokoroRamen Sounds about right to me.

[Daniela1982]

@KokoroRamen 🤣😂😅 I know, right?

[KokoroRamen]

@daniela1982
One of the illegals being interviewed, screwed up and said he wanted a job. The guy next to him elbowed him in the ribs. Then he corrected himself.

[zagor]

Trump lined his own pockets thanks to the suckers who voted him in, and continue to support him no matter how deranged he gets. The GOP had a chance to choose a semi-sane candidate to face an unpopular incumbent but instead went with the crazyman again, overwhelmingly.

[V_Injector]

@zagor I think you're not seeing the conflict within the Republican party. The America first types are done with do-nothing Republicans that sit on their hands and are basically just part of the Uni-party. For instance... Nikki Haley (AKA Nikki Hillary), the one Dems were voting for in states where registered Dems could vote on the right... total war hawk. She gets paid by weapon's manufacturers just like the war hawks on the left.

If you're on the right and you're anti-war, then you're not going to vote in that direction. Vivek or DeSantis just were not getting the support needed... both anti-woke and I think they'd made great choices. But I'm guessing you're on the left so I think you might understand if you compare the progressives and the establishment war hawk types on the left. Right now you have an establishment in the office (Biden), I'm not going to argue who or what is better on that side of the isle, but if no new wars, stop throwing money into proxy wars or wars, and to start fixing things here was your goal... You'd still vote for Biden? Me, I'd be missing Tulsi Gabbard or Robert F. Kennedy Jr... on your side of the isle, your party has it's own system of putting who they want in though.

[zagor]

@V_Injector I am seeing the conflict in the GOP - and the reasonable folk lost. While I appreciate that Trump didn't get us into a pointless war ala GWB, I don't think he has the capability to make the hard decisions needed in the job. Everything in his first administration seemed to be based on how it made him look. He doesn't seem able to look at the big picture or appreciate subtleties. He see's everything as a sound bite. His own staff was often horrified at his lack of knowledge and, much worse, his lack of interest in acquiring any about the things he had to make decisions on. He appears to like the trappings of the office while not caring much for the actual job.

Except for the part that might keep him out of jail.

[V_Injector]

@zagor Fuck I hated the Bushes and their warmongering (GWB meaning if I'm correct about that). The main reason I've always hated the right until Trump. I also have my doubts about Trump being able to make hard decisions with plenty of good reason. I mean holy fuck he just let the Dems and media hit him with all that Russia collusion bullshit just because he asked about Biden and Hunter and why they were all up inside of Ukraine's power industry. I think we're hoping he's been pushed over the edge, and will be a bull in a fine China shop. Maybe take some hard steps towards cleaning out the swamp or the deep state this time. He made a lot of mistakes that led to letting the left do some bullshit... like all those riots.

In my eyes we got to get rid of the old establishment types... the Biden/Clintons/Bushes... the uni-party has to go. They're running this country into the dirt, selling us out, and so on.

At the same time though, I see what you're saying. Vivek or DeSantis because they're just not Trump with the hard on media seems to have for Trump. It just didn't poll that way though. That's how it works on the right, who's getting the votes, while on the left they'll kick old Burny to the side because "it's her turn" for a Hillary that nobody really likes despite he was getting more approval. The left needs to shape up in that department... I mean Biden... WTF happened there? Didn't they completely just shut down Tulsi and started calling her a white supreme?

Meh, I have a long list of beefs with both "sides," but I really don't like what I've seen since Biden got back into the White House. The left, if they lose this round coming up, I honestly feel it's mainly because of putting that man in office.

[Dongie]

@zagor yeah I bet he learned a lot. But at the time he was just a tad bit distracted defending himself from bogus investigations and treasonous impeachments all of which could, should and have not been addressed.

[sawno]

It means that the result will not be a fair result, I think its gonna turn out very bad if biden wins despite it being very obvious yet again that he shouldn't have won by fair means.

[genericname85]

at that point you may as well let russia vote on the American president. a government that isn't elected by the people it governs is not democratic. but the American government isn't democratic anyway so whatever.

[MikeTheBartender]

Forget about "what is a woman", now we need "what is a citizen?"... I identify as a citizen!!! 😂

[Sevenpointfive]

if that happens i'm going to run for senate and taking bribes from the cartels that made this happen

[Dargil]

Why be a citizen if non-citizens have all the same benefits and none of the obligations?

[KokoroRamen]

Back in the day, the two benefits of being a citizen was that you could vote in federal elections and not be deported. Knob being a citizen is completely pointless.

[Daniela1982]

@KokoroRamen Basically true. I'm not sure if non-citizens pay taxes as most businesses won't hire without a green card. Also, in California most of them work under the table and pay no taxes.

[Dargil]

@Daniela1982 Permanent Resident (green) Car holders pay taxes same as others who are here legally.

[Daniela1982]

@Dargil And you are talking about basic legals who have legal residency vs. illegals who are housed in hotels, school gyms, and even police stations, and complain about the food and party. They have no interest in working, just in sponging off the taxpayers.

[Dargil]

@Daniela1982 My Philippine wife is a legal alien.

[AimeeKyle]

Non citizens should never be allowed to vote, ever.

[andreasderjuengere]

Well... the U. S sticks its nose into numerous affairs of other countries.
To see how that feels like, the idea meets my approval.
Although I struggle to believe that the reference given here is fully 'true'.

[KokoroRamen]

And the whole world is begging us for money.

[Daniela1982]

@KokoroRamen And we are giving it while ignoring our own needs. We, the taxpayers actually, have become everyone's cash cow.

[Daniela1982]

@andreasderjuengere As far as local elections I believe it is true in many states. They can vote for school board, city council kind of stuff.

[KokoroRamen]

@daniela1982

The president of Mexico just said that if America is willing to give Latin America $25 billion every year, and grant amnesty to all the illegals in America, and a few other things on his wish list, he would be willing to help with illegal immigration and slowing the flow of fentanyl.

He would never in a million years play that bullshit with Trump..

[Daniela1982]

@KokoroRamen I hadn't heard that. I hope the US would not give in to that. I would not trust the Mexican President, who is controlled by the cartels, any further than he could pee.

[KokoroRamen]

They played the clip on the news. They had a translator translate it into English
He had a long list of demands, but I can’t remember them all. He did say fentanyl was America’s problem, because nobody in Mexico uses it.

We need Trump back.

[andreasderjuengere]

Non citizen are not necessarily illegal citizens. Daniela - on a communal level it makes some sense; as long as these persons are integrated and contributing.

Kokoro - begging for "your" money does take place here and there. But unlike individual people voting in 'your' scenario, it's on a leaders level "begging" on ' their' side.

[Daniela1982]

@andreasderjuengere Well legal immigrants certainly are contributing. Unless they changed it, all people immigrating into the US have to have a sponsor that guarantees they will have a job waiting and a place to live. So they will start paying taxes.

[Sharkstealth]

The end of this country as a respectable nation.

[SolitarySolace]

Only American citizens who actually care about the country should be allowed to vote. As well as those who were forced to sign up for the draft /selective service. They are the only ones who deserve to vote in this country.

[Daniela1982]

@solitarysolaceHere is an idea, make all the illegals serve in the military.

[SolitarySolace]

Right, give illegals guns and expect them to listen to other people who aren't from their country. Illegals who were booted from Mexican prisons. They'd be perfect for the US military -_-

[Daniela1982]

@SolitarySolace Seems like they are allowed to have guns now in the US from what I have read.

[SolitarySolace]

Yeah I heard and that is downright ridiculous when the democrats are attempting to prevent American citizens from having guns but are giving those guns to illegal killers?

[SolitarySolace]

You vote for a democrat you're allowing for the death of American citizens

[Daniela1982]

@SolitarySolace There are illegals who are killing/raping American citizens almost every day. What do you expect if you let them roam the streets at will? Remember the phrase? "idle hands are the devil's playground"

[SolitarySolace]

Exactly

[DaBiggestBird]

Tah, how disgraceful. Though it shouldn’t surprise me

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I think its wrong and those who are allowing it should be charged with a crime.

[KokoroRamen]

The experts are saying we’re going to have another terrace attack on US soil. I wonder how long it will take to Democrats to blame Trump.

[Daniela1982]

It is just a matter of time.

[Danzigdawson]

Cool! If it's true, i'll drive to New York and vote against trump. But unfortunately, this is just infowars-grade bullshit.

[LazerBean]

That's ridiculous, should never be allowed.

[JayBones2469]

I think they will vote for the same trash that ruined their countries. Form as many strong family alliances and conspiracies as you can. The dark ages are coming and they are coming quick.