If you’re anti feminist what do you think of those who say that feminism and men’s rights are one in the same?

[SolitarySolace]

[Simslover92]

I'm going to say what I said on another post:


Unfortunately that is the sad case but there are women out there fighting for men's rights who aren't trying to uplift the feminist movement especially as it stands today as one of the most vile parts of society known to man. Is it better for a man to be in the forefront of men's rights, no doubt about that but don't discount the women who are anti-feminists and trying to work behind the scenes to make it so that men's rights are heard more. I realize for me it's better for me to be in the background and have a man fight because it will be misconstrued that I am for the feminist movement when I am not. If a woman fights for men's rights and she is heard, of course it will be taken to be her fighting for both rights which is why women who are anti-feminists should be behind the scenes in my opinion. But of course the only thing is that men who fight for men's rights get labeled misogynists which is just wrong and I wish it could be different. So it's like damned if you, damned if you don't.

But something has to give.

[SolitarySolace]

Keep up the good work, @Simslover92 🙂

[Simslover92]

Thanks! I certainly will! 🙂

[DishLady]

In theory, human rights should be the same, regardless of gender or color or religion, etc. It's what we're told we'll have under the protection of the stars and stripes (if you're in the US). In practice, unfortunately, a kaleadescope of ignorance and hatred tends to be a common filter and so there is aggression (either active or passive) against groups of people. It's why women are considered a "protected entity" in the workplace (to battle things like unequal wages) or individuals from minority, veteran, etc. communities are protected under EOAA policies to prevent bias in hiring and employment practices.
The perception is that a very specific and narrow male entity has enjoyed the full benefits of the inalienable rights — or have exclusively "held the key to the castle" for too long — while other communities have been marginalized and disregarded. It's why all the riots and protests and policies and angry discussions still exist today. If we can all move closer to making the THEORY or equality an active daily practice in our lives, then feminism/anti feminism questions — and many similar questions — would vanish.


What does an "anti feminist" look like these days? It used to be a stricter line between people who basically wanted to be men and thought men were all just wicked (feminist) and women who rejected that theory (anti feminist). Gradually (since the 1940s) the line moved, so there are a lot variations.

[JacobJordan]

The people saying that are technically correct and referencing the original concept of feminism which was about women and men being equals and having equal rights. THAT is not what feminism is or has been about for many many years. With how feminists have been behaving it is high time they are given true equality. All the bad and the good. Let them see exactly what things are like. Then perhaps they will understand why men have been pushing to protect them even with how they are acting.

[SolitarySolace]

“The male - I have found - is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness and kindness, can be trained to do most things.” - Jilly Cooper

“I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it.” - Barbara Jordan

“ALL men keep ALL women in a state of fear” - Susan Brownmiller

"I feel that ‘man hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them” - Robin Morgan

"Woman's degradation is in man's idea of his sexual rights. Our religion, laws, customs, are all founded on the belief that woman was made for man.” - Elizabeth Cady Stanton

Perhaps they will 🤣

[SolitarySolace]

Why would men want to continue to protect these women after everything they’ve done over the years that have led men to suicide, that’s led to broken families, damaged boys, etc why protect something capable of doing all of that?

[JacobJordan]

Because not all of them are that way. My mom isn't though I haven't spoken to her in years. My wife definitely isn't. Many women outside the US are not like this either. In the US a lot of women are also not like this though women are not taught to defend men the way men are taught to defend women as a result those good women remain silent most of the time. Reality is good women do exist. Women that love men, respect and cherish men. Those women are why men like myself continue to defend women. The thing is we don't defend all women. We defend THOSE women. It would be wrong to judge the entire gender just because of a few shitty examples. Unlike those shit women are saying "all men abuse women, all men rape women etc" reality is.4% of men commit 100% of the rape in the US. Women have a lower chance of encountering a rapist than they do of being killed by a firearm. And yet somehow those shitty women pick the shitty abusive rapists. Which simply showcases that they pick trash because they are trash. Asked my wife if she has ever found herself being creeped out by men in her 41 years. She has never met a creepy man. She has been uncomfortable at times but has never felt threatened (until very recently unrelated incident) or anything else by men. Why? Simple my wife is a good woman and she doesn't degrade herself or act like trash as a result she is treated with respect and has been for her entire life. She is the type of woman most guys want. Not in the sense they want her. They want a woman like her. Feminine, demure, soft, kind, encouraging, supportive, respectful, trusting, honest, loyal, nurturing, caring etc. She has seen me in some of my worse moments and has always stayed by my side. The above unrelated incident involved her drunk uncle trying to do assault her. She ran to the one person she knows would keep her safe. And I did just that. She is honestly a far better woman than I can explain. Not surprising though... she isn't American.

[SolitarySolace]

Well for one thing I am not capable of protecting a woman even if I wanted to and I’ve been told this. Also foreign women, so I’ve heard, are far better than American women.

[JacobJordan]

Having married a foreign woman I can 100% confirm that it is true. There is more than one way to defend a woman. Sure I am a big guy but I also am not a violent person I prefer diplomacy first. I will typically try and talk the person out of it. That is a form of defense. Then there is of course the kicking the crap out of the threat form of defense. And of course the lethal form of defense. So I wouldn't put much stock in the people saying "you can't defend a woman" generally speaking you will rarely have too. I have had to 3 times in our nearly 20 years and all 3 involved the uncle. If you have a brain and a physical form you are just as capable of defending a person as anyone else. Due to physical stature or limitations you may need to utilize different methods though.

[SolitarySolace]

I’m not smart enough for diplomacy either. I seriously have no way to defend a woman in any way shape or form. And I do not have the capability to learn how. I can’t even defend myself. Luckily I haven’t had to and I usually just put myself down and prevent myself from being in situations where I would have to defend myself let alone someone else.

[SolitarySolace]

And although I am for the 2nd amendment I prefer not to own a gun

[JacobJordan]

Can you rattle on like a crazy person? That works wonders lol. But seriously we live in a society where having to defend someone os exceedingly rare. Especially physically. Worst case you might have to deal with morons on sites like this that see the word "wife" and your age and arrive at the (apparently) logical conclusion that the wife is this or that and then you can just sit back and watch them make themselves look as dumb as they are.

[SolitarySolace]

Lol well maybe they might be the only way I could however I don’t see myself ever having a relationship too many factors that prevent me from having one.

[SolitarySolace]

So I don’t think I’d ever have to worry about any of this maybe this conversation was pointless…

[JacobJordan]

Most conversations are to be fair. Always something of value though might be small but it's there if you want it.

[HighValue]

Women have never got even one single law changed that is unfair to men. And many of the so called "men's rights" women are actually hypocrites and did a lot of the stuff they pretend to be against. They just say things for views and to make profit. None of them have ever even got one bill/proposition on a ballot to be voted on to actually help men. They have many viewers, but have you ever seen one use that to get signatures to put law changes/proposals on a ballot? Nope.

[Dongie]

Bogus. Men don't have a cult of anti-female division. And no ladies, it's not pussy that keeps us in check. We're really not afraid of being caged and milked for reproduction. There just happens to be more gentlemen than thugs on this planet right now and you should pray it stays this way.

[msc545]

That is a very uninformed and stupid thing to say or believe.

[Dargil]

What rights do we have?

[SolitarySolace]

None that i know of. I honestly don’t know any of my rights. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[BCRanger10]

I think they're a few days early for 4/20.

[strateguy632]

that is just wrapping paper on a bad idea.

[Nifrayu]

Feminism is the advocacy for equal rights.