Is Trump a successful business man or a successful con man? What evidence do you have to support your claim?

[DrPepper12]

Successful business man

Successful con man

Both - but I'm gonna give evidence for BOTH sides

[molonski2]

I think he's a bit of both , I think these kind of people have to be..

So one practice that virtually all these property guys do is valuation , How do you value the product? By selling a few at super high $$$$s to high net worth individuals who don't need finance , thus creating a value of the entire building that is pure fantasy , as you keep selling , you can make mega millions using other peoples money , but he's hardly alone on this one , they all do it , all around the world.

On the positive , I don't have an example , but purely on raw output and " balls " , you'd have to say he's good , golf course developments are extremely tough , and he has done numerous projects. They didn't just happen.

Man , if I had that cabbage , there is NO WAY , I'm putting on that red tie and being president , fck that , why waste my time? Id be sticking to the business , I appreciate its all about power.

[DrPepper12]

Funny you say that. Many credible sources have said that Trump did the whole 2016 stunt because his income from apprentice was almost nothing by then and never expected to win. Just wanted free media.

As far as valuation, my county never seems to have a problem assessing my house over value...

[molonski2]

Tough to manipulate prices in Australia , I used to be able to do it very easily and then hence purchase more as its all about FUM..

Lets not forget he did not take the presidents salary , few others can say that , he did it for nothing on paper.

[RedInnocent69]

We don’t actually know that, because he doesn’t release his taxes… Let’s not forget he did a lot worse, diverting government business to his own companies, and charged taxpayers for far more personal business than any other President. Corrupt son of a bitch. Won’t change my mind.

[AngryCarl]

Conning people is a business, so arguably both. He certainly knows how to grift.

[AngryCarl]

Thanks for MHO!

[RedInnocent69]

He bankrupted a casino! A bunch of other things too, but that one stands out. And the fraud charges against his businesses, notably the “University”. And the de-registration of his “charity”. And his bank records, which finally came out in one of the litigations. And that Prince Waleed made Trump his bitch. It’s pretty obvious and damning actually. At least to anyone paying any attention.

[DrPepper12]

I agree. As a NYer I've had a lifetime of observation and he's a con man

[RedInnocent69]

Yeah, when your home state doesn’t support you…

[OtterMan68]

he's good at getting other people to pay his bills

[DrPepper12]

Facts!!! MAGA: Making attorneys get attorneys

[legalboxers]

*waits for the Cult base**

[Juxtapose]

You don't get to billions of dollars by playing nice.

[DrPepper12]

He doesn't have billions. Look at his tax returns that leaked and were subpoenaed

[Lliam]

Aren't all successful businessmen con men?

[DrPepper12]

No!! They have marketing, not outrageous lies!