Does this help or hurt abortion rights?

[OddBeMe]

I actually think it helps. It shows how much medical assistance -2 years worth- is needed.

Helps abortion

Hurts abortion rights

[Juxtapose]

I am for abortion (before the brain stem develops) but this seems like it would hurt the cause because it really humanizes age ranges which are totally up for abortion.

This is why abortion should be restricted to before the brain stem is developed.

[OlderAndWiser]

So if you get sick and need extended medical care, we should just take you behind the barn and shoot you?

[OddBeMe]

Not sure where your inept brain got it this from.

[ManInChains]

Abortions goal is to kill babies so that they don’t go home with their parents. Never understood how killing a baby is planning for parenthood... If your baby is dead, you're not a parent.

[OddBeMe]

Because babies are born. Beans aren’t people. And women’s bodies are not for you to decide.

[ManInChains]

Babies are only born if they aren’t aborted. If a bean has human dna it’s a person. Just because it’s inside a woman’s body, unless she’s reproducing sexually, isn’t just her decision. Those who think it is are sexists who must also think fathers are worthless

[ManInChains]

Asexually*

[OddBeMe]

Sperm contains human dna. So stop jacking off into your socks serial killer.

[ManInChains]

You’re funny

[OddBeMe]

Am I wrong?

[ManInChains]

Yes actually but I’m not going to argue with a cultist

[OddBeMe]

Sperm doesn’t contain human dna?

[ManInChains]

It does but the difference is it’s not combined with a woman’s egg. Sperm on its own is only one half. Ever heard of, two to make a baby?

[OddBeMe]

You: If a bean has human dna it’s a person

You keep pushing the goalposts on personhood. A bean fetus in first trim doesn’t have a brain or nervous system. We unplug coma patients with less.

[ManInChains]

You know, this doesn’t even apply to me. I’m asexual and never having children so maybe have this conversation with someone who plans to have children.

[OddBeMe]

Ahh. Lost logic already.

[The_Confusion]

Depends, do you think it is moral to force other people to pay for your failure at birth control?

[OddBeMe]

Like the welfare from all the children in poverty?

[Anonymous]

Anything that helps prove that baby is a person hurts the cause of killing her/him for the benefit of removing the liability of the people who voluntarily choose to make him/her.

[OddBeMe]

This doesn’t. It took two years for it live on its own.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme If you were savagely ripped from your home and put into an environment in to which you were poorly prepared to live you might need even longer to recover.

[OddBeMe]

Oh like people at the southern border? Boom!

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme Only if you presume the cartels are kidnapping people and forcing them into the region. Which is generally not the case. It was never the case for the united States who has been generally yelling at them to avoid the hostile area. Although this area is nowhere near as hostile to adults as the outside world is to a baby.

So sorry I don't see the comparison between criminal's choosing to put themselfs in a moderately dangerous position to a baby being forced into it, assuming they are not outright murdered first.

[OddBeMe]

Cartels, sex traffickers, starvation. We’ve basically destroyed decades of wealth with our foolish Latin American anti commie influence.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
Communism has destroyed far more wealth in every land in which it has been applied with or without American influence. So don't give me that unsupported hypnoses. No forign country has a greater effect upon your economy than your own goverment.

[DrPepper12]

Live and let live. It's rather simple!

[gatixek710]

You’d gladly kill that child in utero.

[OddBeMe]

Being born is a big step. A bean ain’t a child.

[gatixek710]

Weird people buy presents for something that isn’t a child.

[OddBeMe]

So we base invading peoples rights on what we buy gifts for?

Maybe show me proof of personhood for a fetus in the first trimester. I’m good with a 3rd trim ban, as that never happens unless it’s a medical emergency.

[gatixek710]

No, you prove it isn’t a person.

[OddBeMe]

Not how claims work. You made the claim and it’s up to you to provide evidence.

My evidence: current “people” have birthdays

[gatixek710]

So when you’re vacuuming their brains out you’re depriving that person of their birthday. Wow, that was very easy for you to understand. I’m impressed.👏

[OddBeMe]

Firstly, 99% are pills that flush out bean sized fetuses. And brains develop late in 3rd trim. Only medical emergencies arises.

Just so you aren’t an idiot talking this in the future.

[gatixek710]

Bean sized fetuses of what?

[OddBeMe]

The fetus. Embryo. Need a picture in crayon?

[gatixek710]

Is it a tree fetus? A cow? A grasshopper?

[OddBeMe]

Oh no it’s human. Does that mean it’s a person? Sperm is human.

[gatixek710]

Oh, ok so a human baby you're happy to murder.

[OddBeMe]

ITS not a baby, it’a a human fetus. Just like you jack off HUMAN sperm into dirty socks every hour.

[gatixek710]

Don’t forget also on your moms face

[OddBeMe]

Whatever you masturbate too, serial killer.

[gatixek710]

I don’t get excited at the thought of millions of children being murdered in utero. That’s your sexual fantasy

[OddBeMe]

Why just in utero? Sperm have ole factory senses. They’re human. And you’re murdering them.

[gatixek710]

Jesus you are a moron. Please go back to 4th grade and read a biology book.

[OddBeMe]

Where in biology does it say an embryo is a person? I’ll wait.

[gatixek710]

Where does it say that sperm is an embryo?

[OddBeMe]

Nowhere. It’s human same as an embryo. But not a person. Or a baby

[gatixek710]

It’s not the same as an embryo, moron. At no point will a sperm cell become more than one cell. under any circumstances.

[OddBeMe]

Please cite whatever bullshit that claims a fertilized egg is any closer to personhood than sperm

[gatixek710]

Retard, it’s biology101. You really don’t know how babies are made, do you.

Is it ok to kill a fetus at 9 months gestation?

[OddBeMe]

If a doctor has to choose baby or mother? 99.9% of abortions occur by pill within the first 20 weeks when the fetus is a fucking bean.

Leave americans bodies alone

[gatixek710]

That’s not an answer. Should a woman be able to abort a baby at 9 months gestation? It’s a yes or no.

[OddBeMe]

Should a person not under medical emergency no. The first trimester yes. Why do you think I beleive that?

[gatixek710]

Isn’t that getting involved in someone’s body? Telling them what to do with it?

[OddBeMe]

Sure. That’s just what I believe. I would actually say no laws forcing anything onto a person. Like vaccines. But if you want to go to public school, you need vaccines.

[gatixek710]

So when Trump said the left advocates for 9 month abortions he was 100% correct.

[OddBeMe]

No. Because 9 month abortions don’t exist. Thats called induced labor dumbass.

[gatixek710]

This sounds awfully familiar. Like back when you claimed there were no trans surgeries being performed on children.

So it it doesn't exist, it shouldn't be hard to say "there should not be any abortions in the ninth month".

[OddBeMe]

There isn’t any. Any ninth month “abortion” (for medical reasons) would just be induced labor. Where they force the baby out and into an iron lung. If needed.

Your lack of education into an area your most passionate about is quite disturbing.

And no, there aren’t any children getting tranny surgeries. 17 is the earliest, last I looked it up. Still with parents permission.

[gatixek710]

So again... should be easy to say "There should never be an abortion for a child at 9 months". But you can't do it.

[OddBeMe]

There shouldn’t (and isn’t) abortion for a child at 9 months.

Made it more concise for you.

[gatixek710]

Hm. So a 9 moth old fetus is now a child? Should a woman be able to abort a baby that's at 8 months gestation?

[OddBeMe]

As I said before common logic would suggest a fetus just before being pushed out of a woman’s vagina is a baby…probably even before that.

Just not when it’s a size of a bean.

[gatixek710]

So abortion at 8 months? Allowed or not?

[OddBeMe]

I love being everyone’s researcher. You @Juxtapose and that Joel guy…never do your own research. Fucking amateurs.

“ The analysis shows that abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U. S. Ninety-six percent occurred at or before 15 weeks gestation, while 3% occurred from 16 to 20 weeks gestation.

Notably, discussions about abortions occurring later in pregnancy are often fraught with misinformation; in fact, abortions occurring “moments before birth” or even “after birth” are illegal in the U. S. and do not occur.”

[gatixek710]

That last statement is patently false. 19 states have no restrictions on abortions.

So, is it ok to abort a fetus at 8 months? Yes or No.

[OddBeMe]

Just because there’s no “restriction” doesn’t mean it’s actually done. Hey! Maybe do your own research!

[gatixek710]

Is it ok to perform an abortion on an 8 month fetus?

[OddBeMe]

Not without a medical reason, but again it’s kinda irrelevant since IT doesn't HAPPEN

[gatixek710]

So what's a medical reason why you'd abort an 8 month old fetus?

[OddBeMe]

Ask a doctor genius. But I’d say pretty much nothing.., which it PRETTY MUCH NEVER HAPPENS

[gatixek710]

No, I'm asking you. You claim to be such a genius on the topic.

[OddBeMe]

When did I ever claim to be a genius in medical science? Why don’t you look this up? This would be good homework to teach you how to research on the google machine. Dont worry I’m here for the big words.

[gatixek710]

I'll show you how simple it is. "The United States should not drop a nuclear bomb on Iraq during an invasion" Despite it never happening, and despite me not having a phD in geopolitical science, I can make a clear, moral stance on an issue.

You clearly can not generate enough brain power to do the same.

[OddBeMe]

Are you having a stroke? You asked me to explain the science of gestation vs late term abortion- despite the fact that I showed you it’s less than 1% of all abortions nationally.

So again, not sure where your retard mind is right now. But perhaps go lie down.

[gatixek710]

No, I asked you to answer the question "should abortions be allowed at 8 months gestation?".

[OddBeMe]

I answered yes if medically needed.

[gatixek710]

It's never medically needed. There are 0 times that a medical problem a mother faces couldn't be solved with a c-section.

[OddBeMe]

Please provide proof of that bullshit. Try researching it.

[gatixek710]

No, you show me a time when it is needed. Show me one example of a woman's life being in danger that required an 8 month fetus to be killed in utero.

[MisterWack]

I think its neutral.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Neutral.