How do we stop this cycle of crime?

[OddBeMe]

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Major fucking system reforms. Prisons are fucked. Justice system is fucked. Healthcare & education is fucked. Housing & cities are even fucked. Government is fucked. We need to actually address the problems underlying crime.

Fastest easiest way to start is with poverty. Universal basic income. Already been tried in the small scale a few times now & it works: decreased crime, helped economy, helped some other shit even start self-correcting.

[OddBeMe]

Totally agree. But needs to be a two way street. Gotta entice poor people to act better.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

I thought UBI is enticing them to act better since it yknow, decreases crimes.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I totally agree with the unfucking opportunities !

[OddBeMe]

@Maybe_Maybe_not what’s ubi?

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Universal basic income

[Maybeyoutoo]

Matthew 5:38-48

“You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. ' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

[OddBeMe]

Funny the more religious a community the more poor and dangerous

[DryGermanGuy]

„Chinese find way. Right after revolution, they round up all drug dealers, all drug addicts, take them to public square and shoot them in back of head.“
- Cpt. Ivan Danko, Red Heat

[OddBeMe]

So either fascism or crime? Is that the dichotomy?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@OddBeMe Precisely

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

... 12 seconds for an insane punch piercing all my defences. Speechless...

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

it's been 12 minutes... I still don't recover

[OddBeMe]

Infinity Stone post!

[Anonymous]

Bring in an immediate death penalty

These days it's like 10-30 years on death row
Back in the good old days it was a few weeks

Give the custody officer a bolt gun and just let the criminal scum be turned into fertiliser

[OddBeMe]

Sure, do away with appeals and see how many exonerated dead men stack up.

[Opinion Owner]

DNA these days should be the verdict then the floor drops them straight onto concrete below

[OddBeMe]

You’d be surprised how dna mixups can happen at labs.

And the murders without dna?

[Opinion Owner]

Life imprisonment until DNA turns up to prove or exonerate the convict

[msc545]

Not everything is subject to DNA analysis

[Juxtapose]

Culture. Change the culture to that of people who are respectful and value order.

[OddBeMe]

True. But two way street, more funding to the less opportunity communities.

[Juxtapose]

People don't need handouts but instead need better education so they can better be self sufficient.

[OddBeMe]

Again agreed. Better education means more funding of poor communities.

[msc545]

Not everyone benefits from education

[OddBeMe]

Depends on the education.

[msc545]

Not all that much.

[OddBeMe]

I would presuppose a lack of opportunity pushed them into communites that hate cops and can't get ahead

[msc545]

I would suggest that being harassed and beaten and killed by cops made them hate cops, and a lack of opportunity because of racism pushed them to hate white people.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 I would suggest I just said that. And education is really all that matters. Macro economics, if someone has a college or even tech degree, it’s near guaranteed they aren’t living in poverty.

[msc545]

Unfortunately, there are significant number of people that cannot benefit from education because they cannot even involve themselves in it. Low frustration tolerance combined with poor reading skills Will cause that problem every time.

[OddBeMe]

Thats true. Two way street. Families on three jobs with four kids make bad decisions.

[msc545]

Mental illness also makes a huge difference in a negative way. People who are capable of benefiting from education often don't because of mental illness. People who are educated and who become employed often wind up impoverished because they cannot work due to mental illness.

[msc545]

Culture is exceedingly resilient. You cannot just change culture.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 often? Or almost never?

[msc545]

Often. If you are doing well and become mentally ill chances of you winding up unemployed and in poverty are unfortunately very high.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 ok but that doesn’t happen often. Mentally ill are usually that way for a long while. Like childhood or teen years.

So going back…if you have a college degree or tech certificate, you’re pretty much guaranteed not to be living in poverty. Right?

[msc545]

Wrong. Mental illness can appear suddenly or can be subclinical for many years and gradually get worse. There is absolutely no guarantee that it will start in your teenage years and you will have it and be able to function for long periods of time before it gets worse. The course of mental illness is very very much variable.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 Still…not a lot of mentally ill getting college degrees tho.

[msc545]

People can and do get ill after getting a degree. Also, people who are ill getting degrees. A college degree is not a panacea for solving economic problems although it certainly helps a lot - if a person can make use of it and it is in a useful subject.

[Staximus]

Ok, it's some angry woman yelling in the back of a cop car. We have no context here.

[OddBeMe]

Sure, it’s an example of how people feel about the law and lack of opportunity in a nicely concise and generic clip.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@Staximus Order your ding-dong to stop pumping that much blood, your heart is in a state of dessication.

[Staximus]

Make stupid choices, win stupid prizes

[msc545]

End capitalism and the problem stops.

[OddBeMe]

What do we replace it with? Even “socialist” Europe has capitalism.

[msc545]

Socialism implemented properly is far preferable.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I have suggested anarchism, but the execution is not exactly simple. Sadly.

[OddBeMe]

@Maybe_Maybe_not I mean…sounds chaotic. But you do you

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@odd it's actually the opposite, anarchism is extremely ordered, because it's a system with infinite rules, and that's where the fun starts because everyone seems to think it's the opposite. Probably because anarchism is an enemy of the state, but not the enemy you think about. An extremely clever enemy lol.

Take a look at the definition for yourself, you will be impressed:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

You'll maybe even discover that anarchism pleases you, watch out 😆

[OddBeMe]

Sounds like communion. Free Association is key and it calls for no possessions for individuals. Good luck!

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

It does allow private property, unlike communism, the complexity here is that, under anarchism, everything has to be negotiated with other people, every aspects of life would be a contract with one another, including politicies, police, trade, justice etc. It's a permanent negotiation. And yes, practicity... Not much lol

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Given the complexity, It's not supposed to be manageable at the scale of a state, more like smaller units like districts or villages. Eventually federative nature at a higher scale

[OddBeMe]

@Maybe_Maybe_not so what’s stopping somone from taking your shit?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@OddBeMe
It's difficult to imagine in the current state of the world, but look at this: Imagine a small size community where you are interconnected to everyone else, all matters of life are being discussed constantly, if someone robs you it breaks the contract made on private property, this person would be quickly on trial and facing community exclusion