Should technically insufficient ballots be counted as valid? No signature, wrong envelope, copy of ID missing, not notarized, undated, no witness?

[DrPepper12]

BONUS QUESTION: International people, what's your view on the the lengths that MAGA/GOP American legislators go through to prevent people from voting? I specified MAGA / GOP legislators because they are OVERWHELMINGLY responsible for erecting barriers to voting.

*Regarding option four, the opportunity to fix an error, in some states they have by law that mail-in ballots may not be counted until after election day so that presents its own problems.

STATE BY STATE BREAKDOWN OF SOME OF THE BARRIERS TO MAIL IN VOTING:

While Georgia requires just the voter's signature, six states require an additional signature from a witness and three states require the ballot envelope to be notarized, according to the NCSL. Alaska, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, and Wisconsin require witness signatures.

Minnesota and Rhode Island normally require this too, but dropped the requirement for November due to COVID-19. And Mississippi, Missouri and Oklahoma require the envelope to be signed by a public notary. Alabama requires a copy of the voter's ID, in addition to either a notary or signatures from two witnesses over the age of 18, according to the secretary of state. In North Carolina, ballots must be signed by either two witnesses over the age of 18 (the witnesses must provide their addresses) or by a public notary.

Yes. If the voters intent is clear, it hasn't been tampered with & on time

No. Fuck around and find out. The rules are for everybody!

They should go to a 3 panel postal office employees committee to evaluate

The voter should be notified & have an opportunity to correct whatever technical error there is*.

[razelove]

What you're saying right there, isn't that the reason George W won Florida on recount, subjective interpretation of ballots?

[DrPepper12]

Yes those hanging chads were indeed subjective! I'm talking about technical problems where it either there or it isn't. Notarized? Signed? Dated? In the correct envelope? All objective

[razelove]

Requiring a notary is indeed an insurmountable barrier, that removes the point of a mail in ballot. I think it should be either the ID, signatures, or notary, any of the above.

You figure in any case if they're committing fraud they're putting their ass on the line, there would be hundreds if not thousands of people in each district an organized scheme to link them back. I'm particularly in favor of voter ID, but the libertarian in me disapproves of needing to mail in ID except for a passport application.

I'm seeing an arms race on this one where baskets of mail ins are "objectively" tossed on both sides. It isn't like most Republicans will look up the rules in depth when they mail in either.

[DrPepper12]

I think every Usa American citizen should get a FREE verified passport on their 18th bday and THAT will be the natl ID and it should last 20 years instead of current 10 so by 38 they'll be able to pay for the 10 year renewals.

[razelove]

I disagree, a passport is a tool for international travel and an extension of not just our policies, but the intersection of those of every other nation we allow travel with. People do commit crimes before 18, or post things online that could have them denied for a passport, or entry into other countries like Canada, the UK, or Australia off the top of my head.

[exitseven]

mulitiple times democrats have been challenged to find one instance where a person who is legally a citizen has been prevented from voting. I am still waiting. Meanwhile there have been hundreds of illegal aliens who have registered to vote. I am sure there are many more that got away with it

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

I don't think so

[Juxtapose]

Clearly with the shenanigans going on there can be no room for error. Doing this on the machines shouldn't even be allowed, there should only be same day voting and so on.

[DrPepper12]

Yes but what about mail in ballots?

[Juxtapose]

I would prefer not those either.

[DrPepper12]

Not fair to Military, diplomats, dual citizens.

[Juxtapose]

Oh well, too much cheating going on to have any sort of allowances or the whole election will be compromised.

[DrPepper12]

Disenfranchisement for military? Wow!! That's a bridge WAY TOO FAR

[Juxtapose]

I'm sure they can set up little voting booths in their bases and figure something out.

[gatixek710]

those big meanies wanting only citizens to vote and prevent cheating.

[DrPepper12]

Huh? They verify citizenship of mail in ballots via bar code.

[gatixek710]

lol sure they do.