Do you believe a man should have a right to his unborn children?

[ManInChains]

Yes

No

[msc545]

Yes. Since he will be legally required to PAY for them, he should have a right to them as well.

[DrPepper12]

Play stupid games...

[RowdyYates]

Yes, of course.

[RowdyYates]

Thanks for the MHO

[msc545]

The MHO was for me. Not you. Learn how this works.

[RowdyYates]

@msc545

Look again, dumb-ass. LMAO

[msc545]

Ask him stupid.

[RowdyYates]

@msc545
Lay off the pipe. We both got the MHO's. There are two of them.

[Dongie]

Hehehe

[RowdyYates]

@Dongie
He blocked me! For fuck's sake, I would have gladly given him my MHO, so he could have two.

[Dongie]

Awe, hurt his feels.
😅

[RowdyYates]

@Dongie

He's one strange fucker. lol

[Dongie]

I think I blocked him months ago. I don't know why I see him, but it's scaring the piss out of me.

[Kori1236]

As in what rights overall to the fetus or a say in termination or keeping it. I’ve always said it’s no one’s business but the two involved. And while the man was a contributing factor and should absolutely have a say at the end of the day it’s going to come down to the woman’s choice because she is the one most affected.


If say you wanted to terminate and she didn’t I do believe you should be able to terminate rights. I also believe that if it were reversed and she agreed to birth but then leave I think she should be able to terminate rights.


The other option could be overall health of the fetus like poor eating habits (which good luck cravings are cravings) or alcohol/drug use while pregnancy he should have a say if it’s something that could be detrimental to its development.

[msc545]

Men are not "contributing factors" - they are essential factors since one cannot get pregnant with a man.

[Kori1236]

You took that a little too much to heart. It simply means he contributed to the resulting fetus. Go back and read what I said without getting hung up on it

[msc545]

I read exactly what you said, including, " it’s going to come down to the woman’s choice because she is the one most affected."

That is untrue. The woman may have some discomfort. If the child is born and not murdered via an abortion, the man will have 18-25 years of child support to pay.

[Kori1236]

Because it is going to come down to her. At the end of the day it’s her decision he has a say and an opinion but it’s ultimately her decision.

And you clearly didn’t read what I said considering if he didn’t want it and she did he should have the right to terminate rights.

[msc545]

So she has the right to kill it, and he has the right to not pay for it according to you?

[msc545]

What if she decides to not kill it - does that mean he has to pay for it?

[Kori1236]

Again go back and read. And while it’s not in the law I think if she kept and he didn’t want he should be able to terminate rights which would include not having to pay. The same goes for if she doesn’t want it but he does and she decides to terminate rights after it’s born. She shouldn’t be forced to pay support after either.

[msc545]

If she doesn't want it, does he get it because it seems like that would be the last bit of unfairness that could be minimum remedied in this situation

[Kori1236]

If she didn’t want it and he did that would be something they would have to individually talk about between them. Come to an agreement or don’t. And since everyone is different everyone’s going to want something different or choose the different option

[msc545]

No I don't think that's how it's going to work at all. Instead, I can well imagine women trading children for money or attempting to if the man wants the child.

[Dongie]

How about the hundreds of thousands of dollars he'll she'll out while she gets the benefit of having the child around most all the time. Why should the man get the shittily end of the stick whenever a woman is involved.

[Kori1236]

You understand everything is hypothetical yes? Like this is a hypothetical concept because unfortunately we don’t live in a world where people can terminate rights and go off Scott free. Sounds to me you’re simply jaded and looking at things from an emotional perspective instead of the logical one

[Dongie]

No, I was speaking to the hypothetical future Mr. Jaded.

[Kori1236]

@dongie I know my comment was to him not you

[Dongie]

Was it now? I say let the abortion go to hell. No murdering babies or anyone else. That solves all hypothetical wonderments.

[Kori1236]

I’m personally all for abortion there’s already too many unwanted people in this world why add to it

[ManInChains]

If you're for abortion why not just abort female babies since they're are not women in the US compared to men

[ManInChains]

more*

[Kori1236]

I don’t live in the states so I can’t speak for that

[DrPepper12]

You. @msc45. : "So she has the right to kill it, and he has the right to not pay for it according to you?"

Yes she has the right to abort and if she keeps it then he has the obligation to pay for 18 years. Just that.

[msc545]

How is that in any way fair?

[Dongie]

That's not a God given right @drpepper. You lottlr loberal.

[msc545]

@DrPepper12 If she chooses to keep it, she pays for it. She does not have the right to decide to spend money I worked for., Fuck that.

[DrPepper12]

Don't wanna pay, bag it before you play!

[Dongie]

Rubber up, yeah. I don't like biased of any kind. The man gets shattered in divorce, with kids and even pets.

[msc545]

You can keep reciting little poems all you want. The fact of the matter is that condoms ruin the experience for most men which is why most of us don't use them. Women can use birth control too but I don't hear you telling them to do that. Why not?

[DrPepper12]

Because condoms prevent STDs IN ADDITION to pregnancy? REALLY?

And no, no one likes them. They're AWFUL but better than the alternative... 🚼🍼

[ManInChains]

Hopefully you didn't make your wife go through the terrible process of creating life in order to give you th gift of a family, @DrPepper12, because that would just be awful and oppressive of you

[DrPepper12]

HELL FUCKING NO!! He should have thought about that when he didn't put a raincoat on!! It's EXCLUSIVELY her choice how to proceed. Don't like it? Take precautions!

[msc545]

Different anatomy doesn't automatically give you different privileges. At least it shouldn't

[DrPepper12]

Someone has to take responsibility. Doesn't change a thing if it happens tho. Her body. Full stop.

[msc545]

No not. You've just been indoctrinated by the abortionists and by women to say these things. They are not fair and you know they aren't fair.

[Dongie]

Why are you so concerned about somebody else's business? No qualms just wondering.

[sirderpsalot123]

The woman should take what he wants into consideration, but she should still get the final say in the end. She's also a piece of shit if she gets an abortion without telling him because he has the right to decide if he does or doesn't want to be with someone who aborted his child.

[msc545]

That unborn child is comprised of both of their DNA. In what world is it fair for her to have the only say about what to do with it?

[sirderpsalot123]

@msc545 she's the one who has to give birth to it. Why would you even want to bring a child into this world when one of their parents wants nothing to do with them anyway? The goal should be to find someone who would be a good parent.

Find one of the many women who are also very pro life and it most likely won't be an issue.

[msc545]

Do you think that because you gave birth to someone you then are entitled to 18 years of being paid?

[sirderpsalot123]

@msc545 I think the kid is entitled to financial support from the people who created them.

[msc545]

Why does Mom get the money then?

[sirderpsalot123]

@msc545 you can't give the money to the infant, lol...

I'm all for making the mother have to prove the money is going to the kid if you can figure out a good way to do that.

[msc545]

Ok, put the money in a trust for the child and let a trustee manage it

[purplepoppy]

It took him 2 minutes of effort to impregnate her so why should he.

[msc545]

Because if she decides to keep it he is going to have 18 to 24 years of child support to pay to her. That's why.

[DrPepper12]

Again, if he didn't want the risk - put a raincoat on.

[msc545]

@DrPepper12 bullshit

[purplepoppy]

This is why we need abortion so we can correct mistakes.

[msc545]

No, you want abortion because sometimes babies are inconvenient for you Even if there are no legitimate medical reasons.

[purplepoppy]

That's correct and also a valid reason

[DrPepper12]

Abortion for any reason she wants @msc545. Ya know, like no fault divorce, laws of disinheritance, vaccine refusal, etc.

[msc545]

@DrPepper12 Why is it you believe the woman has all the rights and the man has only obligations and no rights?