Hell no. We already have enough single mothers on welfare. Dad's getting out of child support is just gonna create more of them so all the tax payers will be paying for those kids instead of their own fathers.
As far as the offspring would know is they were created through a sperm donation. Because that’s literally all he is. He made a deposit and left. And if the father wanted to meet him and be in his life he forfeited that right when he chose to leave
Except that it’s not a lie. If he chooses to dip out and not take responsibility for what he had equal parts in creating he forfeits any rights to that offspring. No where did I say I wouldn’t say the name but I would be saying that it’s a sperm donation; and he chose not to stick around. Not a lie, so if he suddenly changed his mind years later, sorry but that child probably has a real father by that point and has no need to meet him.
So you would lie to your son and say that his father was a sperm donor rather than tell the truth and say things didn’t work out between the two of you so he left?
Did you not read. I said the offspring (because I’m not gendering a hypothetical) would be told it was a sperm donation; that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t explain what happened but that as far as I was concerned that’s all it was because he chose to leave. Of course his decision to leave and not have to do anything is completely dependant on it being unborn. The moment it’s born is a whole other story. So again not a lie, dude makes a decision and chooses to not participate in rearing his offspring; if I’m doing all the work he has no place in that offsprings life
You don’t understand because when you say “sperm donor” you’re totally taking out his real role. A sperm donor has no connection with you at the time of conception so it would be very misleading and confusing to tell your son that he was just a sperm donor.
I feel like you are very much misunderstanding the use of sperm donor in this context. A man produced sperm a woman produces an ovum to create an offspring they join. Saying he was a sperm donor as far as I’m concerned simply means he provided something to create something else. Nothing more. My feelings on the matter or towards the biological father are irrelevant. And my position still stands if the contributor one day changed his mind he has zero rights to that offspring.
For example; my friends oldest sons bio dad is nothing more than a sperm donor. He got her pregnant and dipped out. Her son now has a real father; one who actually cares for him and takes care of him.
@msc545 not really the man doesn’t have to pay the woman but why should he have any place in that offsprings life when all he did was provide genetic material? If we’re talking finances why should the financial burden fall to the mother while the ‘father’ can come around whenever he pleases? What right does he have to be in that offsprings life if he chooses to walk away? So yeah if I had a kid out of these circumstances that kid would be told the whole story but it would be made clear that it’s father simply provided genetic material and nothing more
All the woman provides is genetic material as well, unless she decides - of her own free will - to raise the child with the attendant financial burdens. You cannot force others to pay for your choices.
The woman provides genetic material as well yes; but if she chooses to keep the offspring while he chooses not to participate then he forfeits rights to the offspring. She agrees to him making that decision but he doesn’t get to reap the benefits of a relationship with the offspring he walked away from. It would be the exact same circumstances if a woman chose to birth the offspring and give all rights to the father. If she makes the decision to leave and not contribute financially she has no rights to be in that offsprings life.
Should infant safe haven laws be repealed then? It wouldn’t be right to allow mothers to abandon their children after birth, but not fathers, in my opinion.
The laws only apply universally to mothers. The majority of states do not permit fathers to abandon their children in the same way. The few that do still hold them responsible to the state for child support until and unless the child is found a permanent home.
With the recent legislation regarding abortion, I would say yes with the caveat that if she cannot legally have an abortion, then he should not be allowed to "financially abort"/abandon the situation. They created the situation together, so they should be financially responsible together.
However, if abortion is legal and he wants the abortion and she agrees, then they should split the cost (I actually feel he should pay for it 100% since she is the one going through the procedure physically). If he wants an abortion and she doesn't, then she should take the financial responsibility 100% and he has opted out. If she wants an abortion but he wants her to keep it, unfortunately for him he doesn't get to make that decision since it's her body hosting (or not, in this case), but hey, life isn't fair dude.
This is a great example of why it is important to have a chat with sexual partners about their values and what if scenarios. So you can have a better idea what to expect.
yes if women get the right to opt out of parenthood by way of abortion with or without the father consent. then men should also get the right to opt out of parenthood. by way of signing away all legal rights regarding financial and personal responsibilities.
however it can't just be for unborn children because then some women might try hiding the pregnancy until after the child is born. leaving the father to be on the hook for a child he did not wish to father in the first place.
because there are a small amount of women in the world who force or trick guys to knock them up. so they can keep them around either physically or financially to some degree. there is even a proper term for it *spurgling*
It should be allowed, but signatures shouldn’t be necessary. Every state in the US has adopted safe haven laws for infants. Women can abandon their babies NO QUESTIONS ASKED, at churches, fire stations and law enforcement stations. Some states even permit EMS to pick up abandoned babies, no questions asked. Meanwhile, the majority of US states DO NOT permit fathers this same privilege. Some states WILL permit a man to abandon a child, but they ask lots of questions and he’s held accountable for child support to the state until the child is found a permanent home. As per the usual, if he doesn’t pay, he goes to prison.
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The problem with that is that the man gains a benefit; he has passed on his genes and society is paying for it.
So, no, while this would seem to be as close to equality as possible, it doesn't work.
It is also not in the interests of the child to be cut off from their father.
I think the problem and its variables are sufficiently complex that there is no good way to solve the problem, what ever you do it will be unfair to some one.
It might be that the only way to avoid all of the problems is to cut off all support for parents and children etc and for those who choose to have children they can't pay for to be at the mercy of charitable organisations, this is still undesirable but this does have the benefit that the minimum amount of people are forced to pay for the choices of others.
But as i say, there is no good solution which will work for everything, perhaps some sort of case by case solution would be best?
Yes a woman should need to confirm with a guy if he will support having a kid with her, it's basically mens right for abortion without a right for her body. She can still go ahead and carry the full burden. And he has no claim what so ever for the kid. It's good for the kids too, they won't be unwanted or raised by unwilling parents. Less arguments in the family and it should decrease the number of women who go the single mother route since she knows their won't be any security.
No. You make child it’s your responsibility to care for including financial but especially emotional. Doubly so if this question comes up you probably got a major headache of a relationship as well. As a wise man once said after taking a pee in a bush with a hornets nest in it… “be careful where you stick your thing… you might get stung “
Out of all this social conflict we mostly need to evolve or at least stop the de evolution.
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No because there are scumbags who would relinquish all there rights every time they get a woman pregnant. Those guys who voted yes are they type who should never have children or even a child because they would relinquish their rights. There would be no coming back trying to be in the child's life when it's convenient for you.
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It's her body her choice and she needs your wallet to raise the kid. It's your fault for getting her pregnant now you need to pay for the next 18 years. That's what you for thinking you and her were just having sex to just have a good time and believing in love and she'll never betray. It's all your fault now man up and pay up
Of course, but only if he's 100 percent sure. No coming back to "his blood" and doing drama later. If you didn't support me since the beginning, you have no right to meet him or her.
What about the hardship I went through? Lol, I ain't no mother Teresa, can't give a fuck less about both. My exes know this before making such ridiculous demands.
No. It takes two to tango, if you are not ready for a kid, put your condom back on. But jokes aside, no. You cannot keep arguing for a lack of responsibility to a problem you made to happen, when you (not you personally, a generality for guys) have advocated and in many states succeeded in removing a womans ability to choose to stop an unwanted pregnancy.
I'm fine with guys being able to financially abort, but ONLY if she has the ability to actually abort.
If you father a child, you owe that child something! The feminists to the contrary, every child needs a dad. Children have two parents coming to them! Be a man, take responsibility and be a dad to that child, and support him or her.
Before the fetus is born, yes. But if they do so, they should never get to meet the child until that child turns 18 and is no longer under the care of the mother.
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Of course he should have that right! Unless of course for the sake of equality, you also think its right to denie women the right to abort, and anyone who says otherwise are wrong. If you don't care about equality, we could always grant men the right to this type of abortion, AND denie women the right to abort and still keep your trust
Every state in the US has upheld infant safe haven laws for women. If mothers can abandon children after birth, why shouldn’t men be allowed to do the same?
That would be fair where local laws permit a woman do the same by giving up her baby for adoption without the consent of the baby's father. Otherwise, no.
@Sixgunsound: Yeah, but doesn't that presume that both parents are in agreement on doing that or at least not in disagreement? Could a father drop off the baby without the knowledge of the mother? I very much doubt that.
Meh, if you leave a child with no home no good and no money, they die. You obviously never raised a child. You actually have to do things to keep your son alive😂😂
If an accident were to occur, and a kid were to come out of it, and the woman didn't want me to be involved, I would feel like absolute crap if I didn't at least do what I could to try and provide a better life for the child I took part in creating. Even if that meant having to live poor for the rest of my life because the majority of my $$$ went to the mother to help raise the child. The only thing I would have a problem with is if that mom was a narcissist and used the money to lavish on her own self, while leaving the child in the dust, but I guess that wouldn't be something I'd have control over anyway...
Same with women doing the same. I wished you'd just admit the adversity instead of making like you women are angels , which you really aren't. You all are just as guilty. Stop the lies and deception .
Yes only if both parties have already agreed that they would terminate the pregnancy but the mother still end up deciding to go ahead and have the baby instead.
@anon1903 you are right. the whole point is she doesn’t agree to it. If she agreed to forfeit the ability to sue the father there would be no point to the discussion.
@Sixgunsound I think parenthood is not for everyone. Better to discuss these matter, and if accidents happen and your partner decides to keep the kid nonetheless, walk out
Rights and responsibilities are not the same. Men relinquish their “parenting rights” all the time in the US, often through no choice of their own. However, men’s parenting responsibilities are very rarely removed.
Sarcasm aside. How can anyone look their kid in the eye and explain to them why they walked away? One day that would happen. “I didn’t want to put in the effort or pay for you.”
Healthy would be the child having both parents. But one resigned from the role. Is it fair that he didn't raise it and suddenly realised one day it's his bloodline? Spare me the "healthy" bs XD
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