Why does society like to victim blame incels?

[Anonymous]

Seems pretty ableist. If you're constantly rejected and hated on you're gonna be resentful about it. It's like telling bullied kids to stop being mad.

[PeachyPie93]

Its because you whine about it.. when I was getting bullied I didn't tell anyone, then I eventually snapped in the 11th grade and started hurting people, sticking up for myself and just pretended to be someone else because I thought fuck these cunts..
If you just bitch and moan no one is gonna care or feel sorry for you because you just seem pathetic at that point.. You have to change yourself because this god forsaken shit hole isn't going to change for you.. Yes most people suck and are shitty humans and romance/love is hard to come by but if you don't try to better yourself you will always just be a loser incel and it won't ever matter to anyone but yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/MuaFyFwZNsw

[Billlewis]

Thank goodness for women like you; please, please don't ever stop shaming us, whether it's for being an incel or anything else, because there are three certainties in life -- death, taxes and the irrefutable fact that men need to be shamed, because we have no shame.

[FreyaRed]

When it's not incels, than it's gamers or people who play rock vinyls backwards.
People who control narrative of "society" need scapegoats, black sheep and virtual enemies. In reality society doesn't care about incels.

[Billlewis]

Another great comment. The women are dealing today.

[Shamalien]

The term itself is brainrot. Any man can get sex if he’s desperate enough. If nothing else, an escort. What separates these so called “incels” from Johns then? Why do the Johns go for the escort and the “incels” choose to go without entirely?

if one cannot find the kind of girl they want, and they choose to abstain from sex instead, is that really involuntary? I’ll tell you one thing, it’s not a young man’s fault that an increasing percentage of women are basically undateable and more deluded than at any time in history.

I don’t wanna have sex until I meet a girl worth marrying, does that make me an incel? I could have easily hooked up last night, or last week, or many times in my past, but honestly I think that shit’s disgusting and I can’t believe that women throw themselves around so easily. I get wanting to fuck, as a man, we have a strong urge, but there is also a thing called self control and being true to yourself.

anyway, whatever poor deluded soul calls themselves or others an incel is certainly a victim of their own short sightedness more than anything else

[morganherrel]

"I’ll tell you one thing, it’s not a young man’s fault that an increasing percentage of women are basically undateable and more deluded than at any time in history. "
well said

[morganherrel]

I'm not very well informed on this issue. But I think there is a structural problem that creates considerable number of single men at any given moment who are entirely left out of the dating market.

Meanwhile, it's virtually impossible for a woman to be too unattractive to "f". While most woman could drastically improve their attractiveness through small changes in self care (and maybe they even deserve to hear this feedback from men), most women simply have no need to do so in 2024.

Why such a double standard?

I blame men for tolerating such unattractiveness in women and being too desperate for sex. They embrace the one-sided fat acceptance movement and bow to feminists.

In my opinion, the incels dropping out of the dating market is a welcome corrective measure, and if more men chose to go without sex rather than indulge in low quality women, the market would become more balanced as well.

[Seinna]

Incels are victims? If so, it is of their own making... most of them just need to change their mindset but they'd rather blame everyone else. Nobody is entitled to anything in this world, least of all affection. It's something you earn.

I'm not sure comparing it to bullied children is fair... if incels are bullied then it's definitely bad and I'd never condone any kind of bullying. But mostly they're ignored I think? Like, I wouldn't know someone is an incel if he didn't tell me. There is power in words, if you call yourself something like that, you'll find it more difficult to not be that thing. But hey, maybe it really is everyone elses' fault but the "incels'".

[JesseP1nk]

How many times women take responsibility for their action? Dont they blame everyone else? Are they incels because of it?

[Seinna]

@JesseP1nk what responsibility? Everyone in the world is trying to get the best partner they can. Should women chose incels out of pity, or be blamed? Also, it's not that easy to chose incels because many are so bitter they make every interaction with them unpleasant. You couldn't guilt trip a man into being with an ugly woman... do you even realise how pathetic it is?

[JesseP1nk]

My point was women blame everyone else too for their problems.

[Kori1236]

I’m sorry are you comparing being an incel something you could change to being disabled? Incels are creatures of their own making. Do I think all incels are bad or extremists no. Some are based on circumstance or low self esteem. While others are crazily extreme and think they’re owed something?


I’ve read your replies to people. Just because their reply isn’t what you wanted to hear doesn’t make it any less valid. Furthermore you’re asking this anonymously you are hiding behind the anonymity of the question and your subsequent following insults because you didn’t get the answer you wanted while from what I’ve seen most if not all the comments aren’t hidden behind that anonymity.

[Asker]

Most people are incels due to their looks or autism, so yes, it's ableism

[ManInChains]

You're not wrong, @Asker

[Kori1236]

No they’re not, they’re incels because they don’t put themselves out there. Some choose the connections with other incels on online forums that validate and morph beliefs to the extreme; that’s not to say all are but there are some that believe that they are owed a partner or really anything in life when they’ve done fuck all to earn it. They choose the comfort of anonymity and hiding. They have some bad experiences, give up completely and become jaded. Sure looks play a factor in attraction. But it’s not all about looks if it were the human species would never have survived. You wanna not be an incel, work on yourself, put yourself out there, if you’re a little quirky show it, find hobbies outside of being online.

[Asker]

No, look at stats, incels are mostly autistic

[morganherrel]

From what I understand, even if all men "manned up" and "put themselves out there," there would still be a significant number of men who are left out of the dating market. No amount of derision and contempt will ever change that.

Conversely, every single woman can find a man to "f" her no matter how unattractive she is (in 2024). Even if she puts no effort into her appearance or into finding a partner.

[Kori1236]

No one was arguing that, the point is incels need to actually get out there instead of being locked away and pouting about it. Don’t make it someone else’s problem because you can’t be bothered to try

[Asker]

Many are, wtf?

[msc545]

@Kori1236 Congratulations on being the very first to use victim-blaming against men in response to this question!

[mobiusforniner]

Fucking spot on. Thank you

[Kori1236]

Not really victim blaming if you are in a mess of your own creation it’s your own fault don’t blame others for you inadequacies

[Asker]

They chose to be ugly and autistic? No, you're victim blaming

[ManInChains]

Women blame others for their own inadequacies all of the time! Why are they exempt? @Kori1236?

[Kori1236]

They choose to give up instead of continue to try. I also didn’t say they’re exempt. If you’re in a mess of your own creation you are at fault no one else. If you view yourself as ugly that shows low self esteem which shows to others. If you’re not actively working on confidence then yes that is your own fault there are plenty of people I find unattractive that are in relationships or married. What did they have that you don’t?

[Asker]

More victim blaming, how are people supposed to be confident if everyone is saying they're ugly and destroying their confidence? Don't put this on incels

[mobiusforniner]

You’re already calling yourself ugly dude. Like, if that’s how you see yourself, how do you expect others to see you? In life we don’t often get what we want. But we do get what we EXPECT. If you think you’re ugly and expect people will treat you as such. Then that is the result. Plenty of physically unappealing men get girlfriends and wives.

[ManInChains]

What if I don’t view myself as ugly and just hate women and don’t want relationships with them because I don’t want to be controlled by a bitch? Does that make me an incel?

[Asker]

I love the gaslighting, if society treats you a certain way they act like the incel just imagined it lol

[Kori1236]

Dude you called yourself ugly. Why blame everyone else for going along with it if you’re the one calling yourself that. If you call yourself ugly you’re expecting others to too. Hence the problem. Your mindset is fucked and your confidence is low and until you can fix that you’re going to be in a revolving door issues. That’s why when people say get out of your head, get out of your comfort zone, get out there it’s not a criticism it’s the best way to help. It’s not gaslighting; you portray yourself a certain way people pick up on it. Until you change the way you portray yourself you won’t see any changes.

Chains person (can’t be bothered to tag or find the name) No that just makes you a shitty person

[Asker]

Who called themself ugly?

It's the opposite, society calls people ugly and then they believe it. Cut the crap

[ManInChains]

If being a shitty person protects me from women like you I’m all for being a shitty person

[Kori1236]

You literally have. Dude you posted this anonymously it’s painfully obvious that you’re talking about yourself either in the looks department or in the neurodivergent department. Okay let’s go with your theory, someone called you ugly and you believed them initially that person is to blame but going forward not finding things to love about yourself and comparing yourself others that’s on you. Which further perpetuates the mindset.

By all means be a shitty person, but don’t bitch and moan that you’re lonely or can’t find someone

[ManInChains]

Why would I if I don’t want to find someone? 😂 you act as if all men want to find a bitch to be slave for

[Kori1236]

I don’t actually simply saying that if you were to ever change your mind you can’t really bitch and moan about the situation which by the way goes both ways

[Asker]

Nope, not me. Am I not allowed to care for other people? You're telling me a lot about yourself. If everyone says you're ugly how do you be confident? You people are ridiculous lmao

[ManInChains]

Why the hell would i ever change my mind?

[Kori1236]

I’ve had insults hurled my way my whole life and I still manage to be confident. Although I just got to the point where I no longer gave a fuck what people said or thought about me. Which I would imagine many people get to that point. And you can say not you all you want I just don’t believe it; if you weren’t referring to yourself in some way you wouldn’t have posted anonymously. Anonymously means you’re scared of people knowing.

Because people change their minds about things literally on a daily basis. It’s part of being human.

[morganherrel]

I think the point is that no amount of looks and confidence and effort will make up for the ugly attitude and personality these incels demonstrate here.

But at the same time, even if they fixed their attitude, they still would be shut out of the dating market. There just isn't enough room for the bottom ~40% of men.

So it's a bit unfair to tell them to just fix their own problem when women are equally unconscientious (fat and hideous) and still get dates by virtue of being women in today's America.

[ManInChains]

Well this is the one thing I’ll never change my mind on and if I were to I’ll snap back and probably end up abusive

[morganherrel]

Also Asker, don't overrely on disability as an excuse for everything. As far as I know, autistic people are capable of great personalities and great accomplishments. If you succumb to your label like a victim, you will doom yourself to mediocrity.

[Asker]

Kori, you're speaking in feel good platitudes. If a 5'2 balding ugly man can't get a date with you he can't with other women. If confidence won't attract you then you don't actually believe what you're saying, your advice means fuck all

[ManInChains]

The fact you’re pissing off so many men here goes to show who you are are an individual. Doesn’t surprise me, all women are like you

[Kori1236]

My ex was a 5’ bald dude and the reason he’s an ex is because our goals no longer aligned. Attraction is subjective to each person remember.

It’s interesting that you’re pissed off. Do you get angry easily because this is literally a simple conversation. Also very interesting you’ve spoken to every woman on the planet or are you simply assuming. You know what they say about that right?

[Asker]

Lying is like breathing to you, huh?

[ManInChains]

I’ve dealt with enough women to know they’re all like you in one way or another

[Kori1236]

Thanks for proving my point bud. You’re so jaded you can’t see when people are actually genuine. What exactly do you think I’m lying about

[Kori1236]

So does that mean your mother, sisters if you have them, aunts and grandparents are just like me then?

[Asker]

Maybe cause I never see it in public and women are pathological liars

[Kori1236]

That’s probably because you don’t go out or have genuine conversations with people. But there seriously needs to be a laugh react because you guys are hilarious

[Asker]

I go out a lot hun, I see short guys with gfs all the time, not 5'0 tall balding ones with girls ever tho

[Kori1236]

Not sure there’s many 5’ balding dudes out there, not that I’ve seen anyway. Balding older dudes sure. My old coworker was 5’3, happily married and would laugh at the shine of his head whenever we had to pull footage for the cops. And as for my ex, he shaved his head when the hair loss became more noticeable.

[Asker]

Uh huh...

[Kori1236]

Believe it or not, quite frankly I don’t care.

[Asker]

It's hard to, you women all act like you're an exception to the rule but I never see any actual evidence

[Kori1236]

We really don’t, or are you jumping on the other dudes idiotic bandwagon of all women are the same

[Asker]

Yea you do and you all responded to this question the same, unlike men

[Kori1236]

If you think we all replied the same then you have some massive reading comprehension issues. I’ve read the other comments some are similar some aren’t

[Asker]

Ugh, I can see them

[Kori1236]

Congratulations I’m proud that you can see. Now if only you could comprehend. Again some are similar others aren’t; and if you can’t see that well I’m pretty sure they teach reading comprehension in grade 2

[Asker]

99% of you are the same lol

[morganherrel]

guys Kori is genuine just chill like wtf is wrong with you all

[Kori1236]

Sure bud sure. Again reading comprehension. No idea where you live but I’m sure the teacher will let you sit in on the lesson at the local elementary

[Kori1236]

Sure kiddo sure, proving my point that you’re talking about yourself. Also easily riled it seems

[Asker]

Nope, proving my point you're a liar

[Kori1236]

I really don’t see how considering you’re grasping at straws. Interesting how you’re attempting to project your own inadequacies onto others

[Asker]

Holyshit karen, get your passive aggressive armchair psychologist ass tf out

[Kori1236]

Holy anger issues Batman, looks like I struck a nerve or several. Like I pointed out well above in this thread, work on yourself maybe then you’ll see results. I will admit though it’s entirely too easy to rile you and really fun to do so

[Asker]

You keep fucking nagging you dunning kruger

[Kori1236]

And you keep replying. I literally just told you this is entertainment now, so yeah I’m going to rile you further just to see how pissed off you’ll get

[Asker]

No life

[Kori1236]

Plenty of life, just lots of current spare time at work. You also clearly have no life considering you again keep replying.

[Kori1236]

But it’s fun to piss him off and so easy. Some of my best friends are autistic and they’ve done just fine finding companionship. This dudes just jaded; and pointing that out pisses him off even more

[Billlewis]

@Kori1236 Oh my goodness... is this wonderful lady awesome, or what? There ain't no 'what'.
👑

[Asker]

Kori, will you fuck bill?

[Kori1236]

Honestly I wouldn’t fuck any dude I met online lol

[mobiusforniner]

Don’t need her to man. I get enough fucking for real. You’re the one who’s upset about not getting any…. funny how projection works, doesn’t it?

[Asker]

You get nothing

[morganherrel]

autism is no excuse
look at yourself in the mirror and fix it

[morganherrel]

nope
you have a problem
so try harder to fix it

[Asker]

You're a mistake

[morganherrel]

you're just proving everyone right with every comment you post
fix that personality and improve your social skills—then maybe a woman will treat you better

[Asker]

I'm not the one simping for women online, you're an incel in denial

[morganherrel]

even if that were true, my point still stands

and it turns out you're wrong—I don't desire any online women, and I am no incel

[Asker]

It doesn't cause you're wrong, you believe in the just world fallacy

[ManOnFire]

Because it's the easiest answer they have. Women will use the term for any guy, even when he does have a lover in his life. And men will use the term if they are the kinds of guys who are having sex pretty often with multiple women, and they're looking down on guys who aren't.

To be totally fair here, I suppose there is some truth to there being guys - and girls for that matter - who truly are physically unattractive enough to NOT be able to get a partner for sex or even a date. As a society we want to believe that you "just have to be confident" and carry yourself a certain way, work on your body, etc. Women will lie to you and themselves and try to say that these guys just aren't working on themselves blah blah blah, but an unpopular truth is that there really are some people who are just not going to be physically attractive to others even when they do all of those things. It's unfortunate, but it is the case sometimes.

[Syntosi]

Id actually say its the Incels who has a victims complex. After all, what you are saying is the same as feeling rejection because you are not given free affection and acceptance as if they are entitled to it as a matter of fact. It is a ridiculous assertion quite frankly.

I can't imagine anyone except for authoritarians and narcissists who think themselves deserving of unconditional admiration like that. Its not normal.

[TheStaleMarshmellow]

No better than being a "Karen" tbh

[Asker]

Are the homeless also entitled? You sound silly

[Syntosi]

Homes are not other people. Affection comes from other people. What incels wants is basically to force other people to love and respect them, notably without reciprocating it which just adds to the entitlement.

[Asker]

Strawman

[Syntosi]

Oh really? Why dont you correct my incorrect position then?

[Asker]

Correct it? It's simply a baseless claim

[Syntosi]

Baseless claims are not strawman. You dont even know what you are saying do you?

[Asker]

Baseless claim = claim lacking evidence, strawman = lying about someones position and knocking down the argument. You did both, genius

[Syntosi]

Then correct me. If I made a strawman of someone elses position then you should be able to point that out as well as their actual position. Trying to avoid that by claiming its a "baseless claim", as if there is nothing behind it is contradictory.

[mobiusforniner]

@Syntosi it’s not worth the fight man. Been there too many times. When someone is dead, they don’t know theyre dead. It’s a pain only felt by other people. Same when theyre stupid.

[Syntosi]

@mobiusforniner An alternative explanation is that you just dont have anything to respond with and trying to cover that up by pretending you are too good for it and above such things as discussions and facts. I guess the real question now is, why are you even here then if you are just going to be a waste of everyones time?

[Asker]

Incels want to not be lied to and gaslit you moron

[Asker]

@morbius I'm not dealing with you undermining me, you gave no argument, gtfo

[Syntosi]

So Incels dont want to be lied to or gaslit you say? That does not even make sense. Incels are very clearly not in a relationship if I am not mistaken and even the Incels themselves identifies themselves as the problem. They just blame it on the wrong things such as not being beautiful or wealthy enough which is complete nonsense and an excuse for not actually wanting to put in effort in courtship or making themselves presentable.

I am a firm believer that anyone can get a girl if they get a haircut, take a shower and ask around 100 women out on a date. My guess is that it will not actually take that long but giving a limit of 100 should be enough that even the most unfortunate dude can actually score.

[Asker]

You need to be in a relationship to be gaslit? You are a moron. Plenty incels follow normie advice and still get nothing, fuck off

[Syntosi]

Being gaslit implies that someone is manipulating you to question your own perception of reality. As far as I can understand there is no such manipulation here. These people are told on no uncertain terms that they are rejected. Also I dont believe you when you claim they follow "Normie advice" and get nothing.

I have seen it work first hand. Some of the most objectionable people I know managed to do it, without looks, money or anything going for them. The only way you can guarantee that you will fail is to never actually try.

[Asker]

You're lying about why they're rejected, you're gaslighting.

Again, pretending they don't try.

[Syntosi]

Wut? Does it even matter? A rejection is a rejection and I could not give two fucks about WHY some girl rejected me. It simply means to "move along" and try the next girl.. and the next.. and the next.. etc..

[Asker]

Cause you're blaming the incel for it as if it's in his control, idiot

[Syntosi]

Yes its their fault for giving up. No one said it was easy or that they were guaranteed success in any particular date. I am saying they have a legit chance and that they need to keep trying. Like every other time in history where people did just this and it worked. The only thing that has changed is the loser mentality of giving up.

[mobiusforniner]

Because they seek validation over solution. Every single incel I’ve provided counsel on here just gets mad when you tell them how they must self reflect and change their attitudes to overcome. They don’t seek to become better. They want to be coddled when they are butthurt. a person who allows themselves to be run over doesn’t deserve a pat on the back

incels don’t want to over come. They want to bask in despair and point fingers at women in general to mask their own shortcomings. And this question ironically proves my point- it seeks validation and projects the victim mentality when it’s truly the incel pointing fingers at everything and everyone else that isn’t the problem. that’s very UNattractive. the cycle compounds and the incel finds themselves on a continual downward spiral of societal rejection.

[MisterWack]

I mean I Googled the definition and it clearly makes the case that Incels can’t get women because of their controversial & possibly seen sexist views of the female gender treating them as less human or less worthy than men.

This is the majority sense, you need to have a warm & welcoming energy / presence or else you’ll be rejected. Women don’t want to be barked at, they want a conversation like “how was your day?”, “tell me about yourself?”, “what is your all time favorite movie?” and try to match her energy to be able to fine tune yourself into a good conversation that she’ll remember as a positive experience which is more likely than not to lead to a second date. Just some constructive criticism is all, be more positive & warm is all not rigid & off-putting.

[Asker]

You have a lot to learn, son

[Billlewis]

I just got mega shamed this morning, by a gorgeous young woman who clearly not only relishes shaming celibate wimps who love to simp, but, based on what she told me, doesn't have even the tiniest bit of sympathy for me or other frustrated men who just can't get sex.

Am I upset with her, and do I think she should stop her recreational shaming? Absolutely not. Not now, not ever. To the contrary, we're very fortunate that women like her, and Ms. Nikki1989 fill this invaluable role as trustworthy evaluators and denigrators. Sometimes, the greatest gift of all is a blunt, candid assessment, however harsh it may be.

[jshm2]

It isn't victim blaming if they aren't a victim. In all cases they aren't.

Angry adults want to act like petulant assholes, and wannabee baddies, but expect love and devotion. Instead of being punished for acting too big for their boots and entitled.

It's likely bad/weak parenting that produced incels and femcels. So their parents carry some blame for these retards.

[Asker]

Ok, the media has brainwashed you

[msc545]

" In all cases, they aren't." I take it you personally know about "all cases" ?

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Getting hated on is one thing, bullying is dumb & bad.

Getting rejected is another, no one is doing anything wrong by just being honest that they don't want to date you when you ask them. Frustrating, yes, but it's not their fault & ur not a victim of that. Just gotta try & move on & keep working on urself.

[DrPepper12]

Cuz they're VOLCELS!! Nothing involuntarily about it!! Get out of the fucking basement gaming with nobodies and get in the IRL game and play to win!! You HAFTA be vulnerable to play. If you're a ❄️ & can't handle that THEN you will be jerking off in moms basement forever!!

[Asker]

They do...

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Because their grievances are self inflicted. They don't work on their personality and they feel like they are owed sex and companionship and they just aren't. They have to earn it like everyone else.

[Asker]

This is a strawman

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

No, it's an answer that is accurate that you can't take because you are delusional about what you're worth.

[Asker]

No, it's you making up excuses to avoid the question. Pretending it's only ever their personality and not their looks. There's women abusers that have no trouble getting women, hun, explain that

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

"Excuses"

Then explain why traditionally ugly guys still end up married?

And those abusers who get women are psychopaths. They can be incredibly charming at first, but once a woman is with them, the abuse starts. Once that happens, they make it incredibly hard to leave them..

[Asker]

Cause the woman settled, doesn't love or respect him, probably cheats.

Hard to leave how? You women repeatedly pick them, they turn you on, take some responsibility

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Clearly lies that an incel tells themselves to blame women for not choosing them. Sad.

Hard to leave as in threatening, or in some cases, following through with killing the woman. Its especially harder when kids are involved. Trust me, if those women could leave they would in a lot of those cases.

[Asker]

Imagine being dumb enough to have kids with them. You believe the media. If this was the 50s you'd say all black people are bad, you're easily programmable

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Lmao you really are an angry little man, aren't you?

[Asker]

Say that without a pound of make up on, show us the real you

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

I dont wear makeup. Try again. I'm sure that angry little brain of yours will think of something good.

[Asker]

Oh yes you do

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Nope. Don't like how it looks on me, and I don't do it well enough anyway. Seriously. Try again.

Obviously, what I'm saying is getting to you because you are a little man with a fragile ego. So lay it. on me. What's the best you got?

[Asker]

Bro, i'm looking at your pic, its make up, you made no valid point

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Lmao I'm not wearing makeup in that picture. I took it maybe an hour after I woke up. I'm still in my pajamas in that picture. Who wears makeup to sit in their pajamas all day? Lmao

[Asker]

Nobodys skin looks like that lmao

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Oof you clearly don't know as much as you think you know.

[Asker]

Ik you're a liar

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

As I said, you clearly don't know as much as you think you know.

[Asker]

Ok liar

[Seinna]

Dude you're literary asking this question anonymously and you have the nerve to ask a girl who actually put up her real picture to show you her real self? From your immature behaviour I can tell you have some serious issues and being an incel is just a symptom of them.

[ManInChains]

He's probably asking anonymously because he knows feminists who run this sexist app/site will work to freeze his account and eventually have his account removed for speaking the truth.

[ManInChains]

I should know, it happens to me CONSTANTLY

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

1. he doesn't speak the truth
2. If you are getting your account frozen, then it is most likely something you are doing, but it's so easy for you to blame others rather than face scrutiny for your own actions, isn't it?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

1. You don't
2. And please, I don't get upset at the scraps of humanity like yourself. I'd almost pity it if it weren't so damn self-inflicted.

[ManInChains]

Women just can’t take blame for anything, can’t they @Asker

[Asker]

Yep.

[morganherrel]

That's how I feel about literally any girl who complains about being unable to find a boyfriend. It's so unbelievably easy for her that there is literally no good excuse for failing at this.

[morganherrel]

Also, Asker... everything you are saying is just proving her point. Seriously, just cut your losses and walk away before you look even worse.

[morganherrel]

I'm not taking sides, just noticing that you are confirming every negative stereotype about "incels" with your behavior

[Asker]

As is she about women

[morganherrel]

A little bit

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

Because they aren't victims. They just believe they are.

A bully victim is targeted and harassed.

An incel is just not unconditionally loved by everyone. Like literally everyone else. An incel is complaining that they have to put forth effort in order to succeed. That is not the same as being a victim. That's just being lazy and whining.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

I dont blame everything on incels nor do I ignore their problems. but at the same time incels technically ask for what they get thrown at them. most incels are too damn negative and self pitying, this type of attitude is bound to make you a bully victim. especially when you make it your own echo chamber

[Asker]

Chicken and egg

[Filthy_Immigrant]

not sure what that mean but I remember a couple of years ago on Reddit before the incel sub got taken down I when to lurk their sub and boy were these guys so damn negative. I even tried to shine some light on them by telling them that relationships and sex isn't what is cracked up to be and all I got was nothing but mass amount of downvotes and more negativity

[Asker]

You have the cause and effect flipped, the negativity didn't start with them, negative reinforcement did it

[Filthy_Immigrant]

accepting that negative reinforcement makes them the real villains in the long run.

you know Michael Jordan was negatively reinforced when he started playing basketball as a kid. coaches and all the other kids who played basketball with him said that he was never gonna be succeed at basketball because he was short, chubby and many other shit. nevertheless he did not allow that negativity be reinforced on him and look at him now

[Asker]

Are rape victims the villains for not forgiving the rapist? You're a pos bro

[Filthy_Immigrant]

dude now you are blowing things out of proportion. this is exactly what I'm talking about when I said self pitying mentality

[Asker]

Your lack of intelligence is grating on me

[Filthy_Immigrant]

oh look the person who asked a question under anonymous wants to lecture me on "intelligence"

[Filthy_Immigrant]

And your point? I’m still not the one hiding and whining about his inability to get laid

[Zack-Bann]

Because they deserve it


Incel is not some sickness


It’s a self inflicted condition: an overgrown man-child who’s mad at the world because he puts in 0 effort and thus gets 0 results


An incel is NOT a victim

[Asker]

Uh no, not all are like that, try again

[Zack-Bann]

Trying again is precisely the thing incels won’t do ;)

[Asker]

Wrong

[Zack-Bann]

Yes not trying again is indeed the wrong thing to do. You’re right 😉

[Asker]

I'm saying they do try again you f*****

[msc545]

Agreed, but if incels were not bullied and told it is their fault, then logically women would have to be blamed, and that is socially unacceptable.

[msc545]

Women on here will NOW explain why it is incel's own fault that they get bullied, which is of course bullshit.

[Asker]

Yep, they can't admit to fault

[msc545]

Absolutely not, They will deny everything.

[ManOnFire]

It's interesting that this question has gotten a significant amount of answers from females, when there are so many other great questions on this site that will often get less than 5 from them while the men are still answering at a regular moderate to high rate.

I think it tells you a lot about the women. They take this question as an opportunity to say things they hope will injure you or other dudes, or to entertain ideas of men not getting sex or a date.

[ManInChains]

It’s because deep down women don’t love men like they claim to but they all know admitting that will be met with backlash even though there are men out there stupid enough to defend them

[msc545]

@ManInChains Exactly. The one thing they will never do is admit their hostility toward men at least in this context.

[ManOnFire]

They don't admit it because they want it to be felt and hope that it will bother guys, while pretending it's men who are the ones that dislike women.

[msc545]

A very sad and rather despicable thing I just noticed on here is MEN defending and supporting women who openly trash men who are incels for "not trying hard enough" and "inflicting it on themselves and other bullshit like that.

I don't think that women realize that becoming an incel is unfortunately very possible. All it takes is one bad accident that disfigures you, losing a job that pays well, or becoming mentally ill. These things can happen to anyone, yet if they happen to a man, women will scorn and shun him, and declare that it is all "self-inflicted".

If it happens to a woman, she gets sympathy.

If it happens to a man, he gets blame and contempt, even from other men.

[ManOnFire]

That is 100% correct.

[ManInChains]

I honestly think these incels who don’t get sex are actually winning. Men don’t understand this yet or maybe they don’t want to admit it but women gain power over a man through having sex with him. Emotional manipulation, giving her the decision to decide if the sex was rape or consensual, if pregnant he gets no true say in the overall decision and has to pay child support if she has the child. Yet men will just risk allowing women to ruin his life and future if it means her gets a litter pussy.

[ManInChains]

Would explain why women hate incels so much. They can’t control an incels life through sex

[msc545]

@ManInChains You raise an interesting point and I don't entirely disagree with you, except to note that male biology and socialization make it damn uncomfortable to go without sex or companionship for long periods of time, which is what incels are basically forced to endure... yet having to put up with financial and psychological duress from women is also damn uncomfortable too.

This makes me wonder which is worse.

[ManInChains]

I think it’s more our feminist society telling men they must give in to their temptations which is going to either make all men look bad or allow women to use their bodies to control men. I have never had sex and I’m 28. If I can go without sex, other men can too. It doesn’t make them less of a man. If anything it makes him more of a man if he can refuse his own temptations and the temptations of women themselves

[ManInChains]

Try telling this to a woman she’ll try to explain why men should still have sex with women yet claim there’s still such a thing as rape culture or how a man should die for his family because he is disposable

[msc545]

@ManInChains Yes. But he is only disposable if she can replace his income.

[msc545]

@ManInChains "If I can go without sex, other men can too." Brother, all of us are wired a bit differently. I wish I could do what you can apparently easily tolerate...

[ManInChains]

It’s not fucking hard. Just think with your brain and not your dick. Don’t seek sex because you’re seeking enslavement. I’m trying to help men before they fuck themselves over. Apparently I keep forgetting men are too bullheaded to listen until they’re divorced and lose everything and sometimes even then they jump right back to it until the cycle ends when they die. Men are just as pathetic as women

[ManInChains]

Realize I never said you shouldn’t masterbate I masterbate all the time when I’m home alone. Men should just do that.

[msc545]

@ManInChains My brain doesn't work that way, sadly. Sex drive is far too strong to be comfortable. I have already been divorced and lost my daughter and a lot of money. I won't marry or live with a woman again, but it feels terrible to not have sex. An addiction of sorts really.

[ManInChains]

Well then I guess you’ll always be controlled by women 🤷🏻‍♂️ unless you can figure out a way to prevent yourself from doing so.

[msc545]

@ManInChains They don't control me but it can be a struggle to prevent it.

[ManInChains]

They don’t control you? Alright. Than have sex as much as you want. He those women pregnant even if not on purpose and see how much child support you end up paying for 🙂

[msc545]

@ManInChains A vasectomy solved that problem.

[ManInChains]

That’s sad. You’re incapable of preventing yourself from having sex and being controlled by women so you had to resort to snipping yourself in order to what? Give the women you are trying to prevent yourself from being controlled by pleasure? That makes no sense to me

[msc545]

@ManInChains I can prevent myself from having sex but it is uncomfortable and I prefer to not experience that. I have sex with women for my pleasure, not theirs.

[msc545]

@ManInChains Please ask me if I care. Stop the name-calling.

[Asker]

Don't fight guys, you were getting along. We can't have it, especially with the simps siding with women. We need smart people like you

[ManInChains]

He wants a feminist to be President

[msc545]

@ManInChains Your choice is no better and actually worse - you are voting for a mentally ill criminal for President.

[ManInChains]

Better a mentally ill man than a feminist bitch

[ManInChains]

He’s not a criminal he was falsely accused something you’d never understand like I would

[Asker]

This is why men will never win, women can overlook this irrelevant shit when need be

[ManInChains]

Irrelevant?

[msc545]

@ManInChains I disagree. He has already shown us what he can do and it isn't good. She has not.

[msc545]

@ManInChains He did the criminal things he did and was found guilty. Stop trying to excuse him.

[ManInChains]

I don’t know what feminist reality you’re living in but Trump fixed the economy and prevented wars. He never raped anyone. The only reason he ended up with those countless offenses are because democrats thought it would turn the people away from voting for him since they are going with a corrupt feminist prosecutor as their undemocraticly chosen candidate as their first female president option.

[msc545]

@ManInChains He is a mentally ill criminal with very impaired judgment, no insight, and very little impulse control. I know a lot more about mental illness than you do, and I know better than to give someone with these problems control of nuclear weapons. Your money will mean nothing if he starts a nuclear war.

[ManInChains]

You’re right. He just went completely nuts with the nuclear codes from 2016-2020. And how dare he build a wall to keep American citizens safe from dangerous illegals flowing into the country and killing our people? He’s so mentally ill, man. Damn. He even prevented wars wirh rhe Abraham accords! Only a mentally ill nutjob could do that…

[msc545]

@ManInChains You are not qualified to diagnose mental illness.

I am.

[ManInChains]

A man who’s depicted to sex and being controlled by women while claiming to be against feminism and child support is more qualified to diagnose people? Maybe you should diagnose yourself

[ManInChains]

Addicted*

[morganherrel]

@msc545 you kinda kill your ethos here when you admit to thinking that about Trump
was it really necessary

[msc545]

@morganherrel It was in response to someone else on here who keeps bringing it up.

[Anonymous]

It seems everyone is a "victim" today, and I "victim blame" all of them. That goes for incels and feminists.

We all have the same rights and legal protections. What we do with them is up to us, and our successes and failures are because of our own choices and actions, not someone else's.

[dreamstar72]

True but for most people when they have failures/problem they play the victim card.

[morganherrel]

Wise words from a conscientious youth

[Anonymous]

For the same reason society hates a woman who's slept with a 100 guys but can't seem to sustain if even able to form a relationship. It's a societal expectation that a man be able to slay 🐱. Same as it is a societal expectation that a woman be capable of inducing commitment from a man. If you can't do that for any reason, you're considered a failure by society.

[smashleyy]

Everyone has their hardships they go through, it ain’t an excuse to act a jackass. If you know you have issues work through them instead of making it’s everyone else’s problem

[Agape93]

When you take out your own issues on innocent people, that becomes a problem.

[Asker]

Are you referring to school shootings?

[Agape93]

School shootings, rape, supporting sexual violence, shaming women for whatever petty shit etc.

[Asker]

School shootings are incredibly rare, rape is rarely ever incels, non incels hate on women too

[Agape93]

I'm aware, but it still happens. Shit, online harassment and support of sexual violence of women is surprisingly common from that community. Most incense aren't like that, but I've yet to see a single one call out the assholes in the group. Not once.

[Agape93]

Incels not incense. Stupid phone

[Asker]

I mean the ones who aren't

[Agape93]

Again, the ones that don't speak up against the toxic assholes, by extent are permitting it to continue

[Asker]

That's really not fair, to blame their inceldom on that, it's a deflection.

[Agape93]

Not really. If you call yourself the same as them (an incel) but you don't want to be labeled like the bad ones, then you need to speak up and show you aren't like them.

[Asker]

What have women done for them? Are you gonna choose these men if they speak up? This just sounds like you're using them

[Agape93]

How are we using them? As a moral principle, most people see abuse and stand against it. Most people see a girl being raped and stop it. Most people don't call women or girls whores for existing. If they can't even stand up to basic normal shit, they don't deserve anything anyways.

[Abbycado]

What have you done for women?

[Asker]

Do women stand up for incels or any men when women trash them? No, never, so what are we talking about?

[Agape93]

I do, pretty often on here when I see it. Even earlier I said most incels aren't hostile and toxic. So also why would we go and stretch our necks out as a whole for a community that for all we can tell collectively hates us and wishes us rape and murder? Why?

[Abbycado]

I’m asking you what incels have done for women. What have they done?

[Agape93]

Or do you not understand how fucked your logic here is?

[Asker]

How is it fucked? Women will trash men and other women won't call them out on it, but expect men to stand up to men who trash women.

[Abbycado]

Answer the question or can’t you?

Man hater? Hmm, boyfriend would disagree.

[Agape93]

That's on you, and again I already defended incels in this post.

Also, don't talk shit about her for asking you a question, and no she's not a man hater.

[Agape93]

Of course you can't see how fucked your logic is.

[Agape93]

What the fuck did I just say about talking shit about her?

[Asker]

What about my logic is fucked? It's consistent

[Agape93]

It's fucked, consistent or not, and I've already explained it. If you can't grasp it then you need help

[Asker]

You tell her to calm down

[Agape93]

She is calm, she asked you a fucking question twice and you immediately went on the attack. Knock it the fuck off

[Agape93]

You didn't specify anything for her. I've answered your questions. So chill the fuck out.

[Asker]

She ducked my question like she ducks the truth

[Abbycado]

Dude, you’re the only one name calling and being offensive. I asked a simple question. What have incels done for women?

You can’t answer it or won’t. So basically you want women to do stuff for you because…. that’s what you want. You don’t want to put any effort into it and there in lies the problem with you fuckwits (yes, now that you are name calling, so will I)

[Asker]

Agape brought up doing things for the opposite gender first, I asked why should they, all women do is make them feel like shit but they gotta defend them?

[Agape93]

You know what dude? When I said nobody in your community speaks up against rape or anything else, you're no different. 30 plus years of life, not once have I ever seen it. So congratulations, because of you, I'm seriously thinking you're all the same at this point.

[Agape93]

I've already explained shit to you repeatedly. When another girl asks you a question you immediately attack and try to shame her. You act just like the toxic incels. Rather, incels in general. Good job you proved me wrong.

[Agape93]

Sent this page to admins. Muted.

[Jackblue]

Well some of them are bullied it is true, but they need to understand women aren't slaves and don't owe them sex, and lusting after little girls in Japanese anime is creepy. Additionally it is important to remember to shower, put on deoderant, and shave. You may forget sometimes, but try to remember to do so most of the time.

[Lliam]

I think they only do it to incels who whine about on-line and blame women.

[ManInChains]

I just take being called an incel as a compliment. Their used the term so much so often it's lost it's meaning. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[ManInChains]

Most people don't even know what an incel actually is vs volcel. They just know it's associated with being a mysoginist apparently

[Anonymous]

Because FREQUENTLY the so called "victims" ARE at least partially responsible (and often MAJORLY responsible) for what happens to them. Fucking suck it up and do the work to be less of a goddamned loser! No one told you you had to wallow in your self pity. It's a pretty lousy strategy for getting anything you want out of life.

[Asker]

Oh stfu 🙄 you need to uphold this strawman that they're all fat basement dwellers that don't shower so nobody sees through your crap

[Opinion Owner]

I don't fucking care what they are. They could be fat basement dwellers or they could have jobs. It doesn't matter. What matters is that they want to get laid, they don't get laid and instead of being a fucking ADULT about it and figuring out WHY they can't get laid and then FIXING the problem and going out and ACTUALLY making productive use of their privates, they sit around like goddamn CHILDREN bitching that mommy hasn't made their snack. Take some fucking responsibility for your life!

[Asker]

It's their fault they're ugly and autistic? What's next, moron? Gonna tell people it's their fault for aging? Cut the tough guy act, I'd fuck you up and you know it

[Kingofkings1992]

Let’s clear something up. There’s no such thing as an “incel.” Even for men with the shittiest personalities, and ones who are completely inept when it comes to women, there’s always ways of getting it that are less conventional. If a person is celibate, it is their choice.

[RedInnocent69]

Because they’re false victims. They’re products of their on actions, not society’s. I mean, if you have a mom or a sister or a friend or a colleague or a teacher that’s a vulva-owner, you should have some notion how to interact with a girl without being exceptionally creepy and weird.

[Smashingdoozy]

Incels are only victims of their own self made problems.

[Asker]

Just world fallacy

[Smashingdoozy]

How?

[Asker]

Look it up

[Smashingdoozy]

I'm asking you to explain 😊

[Billlewis]

I definitely understand why you'd be less than thrilled about chatting with a loser like me, but just for the record, it was your comments on this thread that made it practically impossible not to become obsessed with you, Goddess. Thank you very much.

[Anonymous]

because incels inadvertently force people to look into the mirror themselves

most people will claim to be anti-bullying while condoning bullying when they see fit

[Astarlessnightsky]

Its how they react to this. No matter how miserable your life is, if you turn to hatred against others its unacceptable.

[Asker]

Stupid, you're complaining that incels give bck what they're dealt

[Flower7]

"Ableist"? Being single isn't a disability, you know. Just find something else to focus on.

[Asker]

Wow, love is a need

[Flower7]

There are many people in the world who have much bigger problems than not being able to find a date.

[Asker]

Tell that to feminists then

[Flower7]

What do feminists have to do with incels?

[morganherrel]

Sorry asker. No one born into this world is entitled to love from others. Some people just aren't good enough to earn the affections of others, and that's life.

[Asker]

Feminists shouldn't whine cause there's bigger problems in the world

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

It's not because they are incels, it's because most incels are entitled rude little pricks that think they deserve women and sex when in reality they don't deserve ish nor entitled to it.

[Asker]

Most? Prove it

[LazerBean]

Well said

[Asker]

He didn't prove it

[Anonymous]

Most people can sympathise with bullied incels, but we don't sympathise with them when they believe they have a right to women's bodies—a right that incels frequently think they do.

[gatixek710]

Lol. No one gives a shit about incels. They are like vegans, they won’t shut the fuck up about it.

[morganherrel]

LOL love this

[goaded]

If they're not assholes, and they don't, say, shoot a bunch of people, what exactly are they blamed for?

[Snakeyes7]

Can you imagine the uproar if the media came out saying that women who can't get dick are terrorists?

[Smegskull]

Because they expose a flaw/hypocrisy. Nobody likes being called a hypocrite, even if it's true.

[TheStaleMarshmellow]

Calling yourself an incel is what is making you an incel. Don't know what else to tell ya

[Anonymous]

the fact that they hate all women makes them extremists

[loves2learn]

You sound very angry. Are you OK?

[Asker]

It's my question hun, not yours

[loves2learn]

Mkay. Just checking in. Neither here nor there. I wish you well.

[Asker]

You too

[strateguy632]

Just search internet

[Asker]

Npc answer, kys

[morganherrel]

Dude what is wrong with you?

[Peridot25]

You do realize what ableist means, right?

[Anonymous]

Incels are ugly guys that hate women

[Asker]

You need a spanking, bad girl!

[Opinion Owner]

Ew that's why women don't like you.

[Asker]

Men only want you for sex

[Opinion Owner]

I'm a virgin. I'm saving myself for marriage.

[Asker]

Hate to break it to you but a women in her 30s isn't a prize lol

[Opinion Owner]

Unless she looks 18 huh 😂

[Asker]

Infertile woman cope

[Opinion Owner]

I'm not infertile. But why do you want to have kids when the left wants to destroy them. What's wrong with you. This world is going to hell in a hand basket.

[Asker]

Just let the left win? Uh no

[Asker]

My kids aren't afraid of leftists, unlike your sorry bloodline

[Asker]

Homeschool, I won't let my bloodline die, we aren't cowards

[Asker]

You'll have none and good riddance to your bloodline

[Opinion Owner]

You do realize it's going to get worse. You're sick.

[Asker]

You don't have that dog in you

[Asker]

Nope, but you're a roastie virgin

[Opinion Owner]

A wut

[Asker]

Projection

[Asker]

Not even the incels want you

[Opinion Owner]

Lmao 😂 you just called yourself a loser. Incels are the lowest

[Asker]

I'm not, you are

[Opinion Owner]

What is a roastie

[Asker]

You!

[Opinion Owner]

I don't even know what that is. Is that incel lingo?

[jahaims]

Incels are rejected because of their personality

[Anonymous]

Cuz.

[Opinion Owner]

White

[Opinion Owner]

Libtard

[Opinion Owner]

*moronic left winger