Did Trump win because MAGA committed election fraud?

[msc545]

I mean - MAGA was bitching and whining about the Democrats supposedly committing election fraud in 2000 when Trump lost, and kept complaining about how possible it was this time - so did they go ahead and do it this time and that is why Trump won?

[Texaskid1]

I think that Trump won because:

1. The Democrats did not offer their own any choice in their internal primary. Harris was thrust on them for better or worse. Four months is not enough time for the undecided voters ( who are the targets of both parties when it comes to these elections) to feel comfortable with Harris. Trump , on the other hand, had been plotting his return for four years. Four years of moving things behind the scenes, getting new people , seeing what mistakes they mad back in 2020 , finding ways to target demographics that tend vote blue ( Blacks, Latinos , women). There is an old saying: better the devil you know that the one that you don't. The undecided were too crazy about Trump but they chose him over Harris since - as controversial as Trump is - at least he is the devil they know. Harris was an unknown. As VP she did not get much attention ( although most VP tend to be in the background)

2. The Dems ran a bad campaign. Harris did not focus on the issues that people want to hear: inflation , the price of food , so many Americans living in debt , living paycheck to paycheck, not being to able to buy a house because the prices are sky high , this new generation that will be worse off than their parents. The Republicans tapped into that angst that people have and it paid dividends at the polls. The Dems seemed to cater to identity politics while economic concerns took more of a back seat. There is only so far you can go with identity politics. At the end of the day it is not only the Whites that are suffering through a crappy economy - so do Blacks and Latinos, Asians etc.

3. Also , Trump - as bombastic and crude as he is - has a weird way of coming off as likable. I saw the interview he did on the Joe Rogan podcast and I was able to see why he is so likable to so many hard core Republicans. When he does a one on one interview he can come as as very warm and even grandfatherly. That he (and later Vance) went on the Joe Rogan podcast was a master move ; he was was able to reach tens of millions of people and was able to put a more human face to his persona way more complex that what the left leaning MSM has been telling us for years ( Trump = Evil).

I don't think there was any significant level of electoral fraud that would of swayed the election towards the Dems. Trump won fair and square.

Understand this: I am not a huge fan of Trump and I think he is going to screw over the working classes but a at the end of the day political campaigns are all about optics - and Trump's optics were above and beyond Harris's.

[msc545]

I agree that the lack of a choice and no primary was a big problem they ignored. I find nothing likable about Trump - he is a bombastic manic buffoon with very little intelligence or manners.

Still, the profound racism of Americans should have indicated against doing something so suicidal as running a black female as the candidate.

[lightbulb27]

don't know of any and from pre election, democrats were pushing policies that were more "fraud" oriented.

if voters were not able to vote due to lack of machines in democrat areas, I'd make that a question mark area for fraud.

but is it enough to shift the results? I'd say same as did last time... not enough to change result.

as well, did trump use musk to block stories on him... like biden did last time? no evidence and doubt it because he's so thoroughly vetted it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

Too few voted Harris and too many voted trump for the Democrats to cheat though they tried.

[msc545]

how do you know they tried?

[Opinion Owner]

They always try. Just enough to tip each electoral college in their favour

[msc545]

Prove it

[Opinion Owner]

Proof is in the pudding

[msc545]

Offer real proof or stop spreading rumors.

[msc545]

Offer real proof and stop spreading rumors.

[Yabbut]

Can you point to instances where it appeared that is what happened?

[msc545]

Nope. Just as you cannot point to any instances of it happening the last time.

[Yabbut]

Well now, calm down. All I'm saying is if there are instances, they should be looked into. I'd rather they be looked into and people be able to trust our elections.

[msc545]

There were no instances then, and there are none now so far.

[exitseven]

No, Republicans do not cheat. They won because the Biden/Harris regime did a piss poor job of serving the citizens of this country. Trump gained ground across all demographics and also in traditionally blue states. He came close to flipping New Jersey.

[msc545]

This is irrelevant.

[exitseven]

I answered your question.

[exitseven]

@msc545 Was Alistair happy that Trump won?

[msc545]

I am not sure. I asked him but he is busy arranging a party and won't have time to speak to me until Monday. I think he might be a little unhappy about it.

[exitseven]

I amsure he is walking around singling this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BrCvZmSnKA

[msc545]

Well, no. He is singing "Rhiannon" and playing his guitar right now.

[John_Cobretti]

Yes, they did in 2020 so we did in 2024.

[msc545]

Prove it.

[Anonymous]

No. I'm surprised to find how many people didn't vote.

[KrakenAttackin]

If there was fraud the left would be screaming about it.

[Sevenpointfive]

i think there was fraud! i think he beat that bitch by at least 100 electoral votes

[SolitarySolace]

How could they have committed fraud when he won the popular vote? How do you steal that?

[msc545]

You know... you modify ballots or submit false ones or suborn voting machines or you import illegal immigrants or all the other ways you guys pointed out it could happen.

[SolitarySolace]

Why would republicans do any of that when they're all about free and fair elections?

[msc545]

Democrats are for the same things and we don't cheat either. All of this may explain that despite all the ranting and screaming there has been virtually no election fraud in the US.

[SolitarySolace]

Where do trucks of ballots come from on election day then?

[msc545]

The factories where they are printed. The trucks deliver them to the polling places.

[DrPepper12]

No. That's a red herring without merit unfortunately.

[Snakeyes7]

Uh oh. Looks like we got an election denier over here.

[NathanDavis]

or maybe you're all both paranoid...

[Apple1996]

I wouldn't be surprised

[Pterodon]

Nope he won because people are sick of four years of democrat policies

[msc545]

He won because the US population is consumed with greed, racism, and misogyny.

[Pterodon]

My girlfriend is black. Don’t say that about me. My liberal girlfriend even voted for Trump

[msc545]

Well, I am very certain your girlfriend represents the ENTIRE US population, right?

[Pterodon]

The majority yes lol

[msc545]

And you know this because you want it to be true, right?