What matters most to you about the new administration?

[WatchedPot]

[WhiteSteve]

That they come in, do their four years, but don’t change anything structurally.

No changes to federal agencies, no rigging the system to only benefit Conservatives and thwart center and left politicians in future elections or presidential terms, no alterations to the Constitution.

Basically, leave American government EXACTLY how it is on January 19th, 2025. Take your turn with legislation, but don’t do anything shady to affect the balance of power or the ability to potentially transfer it via free and fair democratic process.

[sawno]

No shouldn't work that way since the democrats already rigged it and there is to much corruption. They should fix those things but just be careful not to overdo it. From the plans I heard irs going to be fair for all. If the democrats have winning arguments they will be able to win an election. But all the censorship and insecure stuff they want to get rid off. Its time to make it fair again.

[WhiteSteve]

@sawno you must not know about Project 2025 then. The thing Trump claimed to know nothing about, and then as soon as the election was over, we’ve got Steve Bannon and Matt Walsh out here like “SIKE! Got ‘em! Can’t wait to start putting Project 2025 in motion!”

[sawno]

I don't believe Project 2025 is actual policy. I have seen no evidence of it being so and Trump denied it himself to while having output plenty of pretty forward campaign videos on exactly what he would do himself. Your being trolled by Matt Walsh and your falling for it. Actual viewers of matt (I watched his content for a while to) know he is known for baiting the other side.

[sawno]

So to counter ill help you out and give you the real one, Project2025 is a misdirection the real name of his policies is Agenda47 which you can find here : https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47

[WhiteSteve]

@sawno but Steve Bannon is going to be a right-hand man to Trump, what about him? How about Nick Fuentes, another Trump-linked guy (he denies it, of course🙄) posting his “your body, MY choice” video to women, telling them a female president is “never gonna happen, sweetie” (and high school boys are yelling it to high school girls now…awesome)…how should just that general “mood” in America, if not policy, make me feel good about the future of this country for my two little cousins who are like daughters to me? MAGA doesn’t represent “America for all”, that’s the problem. They’ll try to say it does, but it doesn’t. If you aren’t a straight white Christian man, they only accept your presence because they’ve tricked you into believing it’s some big tent party, when the opposite is true. So many people voted against their own interests this time that it’s crazy.

[sawno]

I don't share that analysis at all. To me its the democrats who don't care about the people at all, they just care about their corporate interests. Nick Fuentes isn't someone Trump supports, he got tagged along by Milo who wanted revenge on Trump. Its not like Nick will be anywhere close to an advisory position. Bannon maybe, but he's not suddenly going to be the single vote that makes Project2025 happen. I already posted you the real agenda, find me a fault with that one (I know you'd be able to since I have some faults with it myself).

[WhiteSteve]

@sawno most of that looks either unimplementable or crazy as shit. “The American Academy”…. I can’t even imagine. SUPPORTING homeschooling is “holy shit.” Homeschooled kids get tragically under-educated, under-socialized, and only learn the beliefs of their usually-crazy parents, because they don’t want their kid learning dinosaurs exist and fucking up their biblical brainwashing.

[WhiteSteve]

@sawno “the democrats who don't care about the people at all, they just care about their corporate interests”

Did you miss the part where the richest man in the world bought his way into a role in this administration?

If Elon wasn’t “dark MAGA” (fucking DORK🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️😂😂😂) and was pushing electric vehicles and buddied up to a Democrat to get a White House role of some kind, you guys would be losing your fucking minds and you know it

[sawno]

I didn't miss that part, I just happen to support his role in the administration. The government needs drastic cuts and he's the kind of guy who is known for cutting useless jobs. Thats a very transparent example you name though that was very public. Usually its behind closed doors and you can see which candidate gets the most behind the scenes donations.

[sawno]

As for the home schooling I support it, 5 minutes away from my house there is a school teaching 5 year olds it can be pleasant to masturbate. I know because I looked on their site what courses they teach after they had a pride flag up, and then looked at some of the material. Unfortunately I didn't preserve it and the new version of the demo material doesn't have that lesson anymore. Its stuff like that where I wouldn't want my kids to be raised by those people. Silver lining is that in the netherlands there is still quite a diverse set of schooling options available so while I am not allowed to home school I can at least put sign them up to a healthier school. In the US it seems more uniform to me, so then if you disagree with school policy its better to homeschool. My ex was also homeschooled and she was one of the most competent people I have met.

[WhiteSteve]

@sawno I don’t know, man, you guys have led the league in corporate donations for a long time. Then the tech industry blew up and things started to even out, and THEN Republicans start getting up in arms about Democratic donors. But now you got one to come to your side, one of the weirdest fucks I’ve ever seen, a deadbeat dad, just not a good guy to look to other than scientific design. He should stay in that lane.

[WhiteSteve]

@sawno I think it’s extremely important all Americans receive the same education, and that in disciplines like history, that were completely honest and don’t try to shield kids from the ugly parts that don’t make America look so good. We can’t just brainwash kids to be like “America is the greatest country ever! Fuck yeah! Go America, WOOOOO!!!” They’ll have no concept of societal nuance. Our past explains our present, but not if you hide it because it makes white people uncomfortable

[sawno]

I completely disagree, I see traditional schooling as literal brainwashing. Children subconsciously know it since I never met a kid that doesn't love learning yet all of them hate school. It should be about diverse ideas and organic spreading of ideas. Its the best defense against centralized mistakes, now if one activist or just someone plain wrong makes a school book your indoctrinating an entire generation of children with false information. I see it for what it is and broke out of it because it failed on me. Their teaching method didn't account for someone like me who woke up when he finished school knowing something was wrong in the system even before becoming aware of the deeper issues with it as it took me 3 years to break out of what I was told.

As for the history side, its not like those books are accurate either. The few events I know myself because it didn't happen to far away are incorrectly represented. How could I trust anything further away to be real? Ever heard of the phrase history is written by the victors?

The actually important things you'd teach them of course. But thats up to every household to do as they think is best fit to raise their children. Anything left out will be taken care off in the wider society. Were having this conversation with clashing ideas right now as we speak, you sharpen me I sharpen you. Thats the idea, and I believe that its best to share diverse ideas so that the best ones survive rather than teaching everyone the same trick. The education system is currently producing mediocre people who all know the same thing, rather than true experts in their field. Its absolutely crazy to me that i had to spend my entire lifetime in school to only be allowed to do a basic entry level job due to inexperience, if you come out of school inexperienced and you have to learn everything on the job what do you go to school for exactly?

[WhiteSteve]

@sawno but we’re not currently teaching false information, not on purpose anyway. No one is teaching “CRT” in schools, that’s grad level stuff, but there’s nothing untrue about it. I wish we DID teach it but, again, it’s higher-learning level material. But I don’t think the American education system itself is really broken to start with, as far as learning material.

It was broken in my day. I was taught Christopher Columbus showed up to America and no conflict occurred, all I was taught was “Italian guy, Spain-sponsored, 1492, Nina, Pinta, and the Santa Maria.” That’s it.

I was taught the pilgrims showed up 1620 and held hands and sang songs with the Native Americans.

Slavery was the worst thing we covered, and we focused a lot more on the imagery of Abe Lincoln’s top hat and beard. I had to major in History in college, and stick with it to the second half to even learn that Lincoln was racist himself, and in a senatorial debate just a few years priors to what we know him for, he countered Stephen Douglas’ assertion that he “saw no distinctions between races” by saying that while he opposed slavery, he in no way believed in “the social or political equality of the N——o.”

They should have told us that the first time back in like 4th grade. MOST people don’t know about that, you literally need to be a trained expert in History to find out, or at least an extremely inquisitive and investigative person. But this guy is on our money, monuments, etc…. and we barely know anything about him. You could’ve skipped the part about his upbringing in a lot cabin and writing school lessons with a piece of coal and just told me the guy ended slavery, kept the US together, but was definitely still a racist douche who we should maybe temper our worship of the guy’s memory.

[WhiteSteve]

@sawno And now we have people wanting to pretend slavery was just a friendly trade school with free tuition and free room & board. It’s Bananaland shit. Above all else, I do not want American nationalism and nativism taught to our children, holy fuckin’ shit, man😱😱😱

I don’t think the education system is failing for reasons much more than we have low-quality people in America who don’t value education as much as they value entertainment and materialism. Their kids learn by their example, and it’s getting worse because the parents can’t be fucked to parent, so they stick an iPad in front of them every time they’re bored, then the kid is bored at school, expects an iPad, doesn’t get one and becomes disruptive, or they’re on their phone, or just daydreaming about getting back to it if they’re restricted.

Having two working parents is a killer too, and that’s a corporate greed problem (that Republican leadership only exacerbates, they’re owner & manager party, they don’t give two squirts of piss about the common man, no matter what they tell you otherwise). Trump promised middle class tax cuts. He delivered some, but he delivered way more to the people who need it the least. I don’t understand why you guys don’t care about that. You get an extra $1,400 dollars a year, Elon keeps tens, if not hundreds, of millions, if not BILLIONS. And now he’ll be informing regulatory practices in business, where we NEED regulations. It’s not just about “what will make us the most money”, there need to be protections in place, that the owners won’t like, but tough bananas.

[WhiteSteve]

@sawno But my point is that it was big for me to come home as a kid, and have my mom sitting there like “Turn off the Nintendo and do your homework.” Not teaching me the material —only college-educated people with backgrounds in Elementary and Secondary Education should be let near that very important duty. But for someone to make you do the work OUTSIDE of school and hold you accountable. If I got a bad report card, that was my ass. Single-parent situations can happen, and we shouldn’t necessarily force against them because often it’s a toxic situation for one or both adults. But if we have an economy where the only way you can make it with kids is for everyone to have a full-time job plus a side hustle.

And that blame is on corporate America. That all went to shit with Reaganomics. Giving the rich people more money and more power is a BAD PLAN, I can’t believe normal people endorse it. These people don’t give a fuck about you or me. Were all pawns to them, we accept what they allow us, and in my 45 years of life, I’ve watched it steadily decline with increasing corporatism. It’s been going crazy since the 80s, and it’s destroying America more than any other cause.

Democrats are too corporate for me, which is why I’m not signed up to be one. Plenty of complaints about them. But the Republican alternative is INFINITELY worse, and along with their ghoulish social attitudes, I just can’t imagine ever voting for them unless they do a full 180. But now they’re getting too crazy even for some Republicans. But no one in the uninformed electorate cares, they just want cheaper gas and more possessions. SMH, our species is so goddamn lost, especially in our country.

[WhiteSteve]

@sawno And they WILL come up with some bullshit to convince you that YOU, guy making $15/hour on an assembly line at Cogsley’s Cogs, is going to somehow come out on top, and all you really get to show for it is those mud tires for the big gas-guzzling pickup truck you don’t truly need for anything beyond your personal image most days, that you couldn’t afford in the first place.

The corporate world is fucked, no doubt. If I could do it all over again, or if I had a kid, I’d be looking at trade school. But on the other side of the coin, the tradesmen I know are often the ignorant ones who think Trump and them give a flying fuck about their small HVAC business. And around here anyway, they're often kind of racist or homophobic, in my personal experience, shit I don’t want any association with. The people I went to college with or who went to college in general, I find that to be much more rare. I think there’s a lot to be said on the importance of that in people’s personal character. I view Americans as having a terrible problem of personal character right now, above all else. If you tell me the American population are “good people”…. I’m not sure I could co-sign that anymore.

And at the end of the day, rich or poor, in peace or war, all I really care about is that I was a good person. That’s what matters to me. It can all come crashing down, this Western society and lifestyle we know…. the decency is all that matters at the end of the day. If we lose sight of that, we deserve whatever horrific fate befalls us.

[sawno]

Alright so assume for a moment the republicans fully overtake what's being thought in schools and its now entirely teaching the things you didn't want and no longer teaches the things your advocating for. Is it still a good system? Or would you want a system immune to ideological takeovers? My ideas for education are very drastic and you won't find them other than my posts since I came up with them. I advocate for degrees to become a rarity for the very few jobs that actually need them. It should mostly be abolished, and instead the employer should be the one examining your skill. Schools cheat to keep their numbers up, and when everyone has the same degree its hard to differentiate who the good candidates are while putting the jobs behind a redicilously expensive degree while it could have been achieved trough other means like in my case where all the valuable things for my job I self thought myself and in school I was bored for 4 years as it was teaching me nothing of value. 4 years of school I could have self thought myself in a few months.

The two people working at once is a massive issue I agree on, it should be a single income household. You can split the workload between both parents like my parents did where both work parttime, but it should never be a requirement that both work to get by since that screws up parenting very hard. Parenting is a full time job on its own.

[sawno]

The last one I can explain to you, on the left they play the whole "We tax X people more because they need to pay their fair share and then we give you the benefits game" the right doesn't buy it. What really happens is that the top end of the middle class is taxed more and the ultra wealthy get away with it with the loopholes. So we don't want taxes to go up in total at all. No tricks with a tax cut here or a tax hike there. It needs to go down and the government needs to spend less. If corporations and the ultra rich keep more they have to increase the prices less, which results in cheaper products. If you tax them X% more all they gotta do is raise the prices more than that X% to make up for it and now your taxing the lower classes higher by proxy. Thats why we are fine with it. Its because of a belief it always ends up in the lower classes because the people who are in charge of the system will always ensure your the one paying it in the end because they are in a position to do so.

[sawno]

(You posted a bunch of them while I was typing my response, so the above goes up to the second post you did)

[sawno]

Your posts since main point is that Trump / the republicans are corporatists who pick corporations over the people. I agree with that and its my biggest criticism of him as well. I just never saw a candidate who genuinely is a populist make it beyond the primaries. So you then pick the corporatist that has the most policies that you do want. I'd pick a real populist over Trump.

[sawno]

You may find this eye opening : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCyZHB7NdPE

[WatchedPot]

@sawno
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You're going to have to put the link together gag won't let me post it whole.

[sawno]

@WatchedPot very interesting, I nistpy like the style that was done as I find these undercover investigations a good source if presented honestly. I feel like they did a decent job at that but the voiceover dramatizes a bit so ill ignore that and focus more on what is being said by the people.

So basically it shows policy ideas that they wish to push and they are working with people on the Trump side to try and get those implemented. Now for a large part Agenda47 (The real one) has overlap with what I heard in the video. there's also some darker powergrab style cases they are making there but they merely seem to be enabling Trump into doing what they want him to do. In the video there is a bit where someone on Trumps side says they don't speak for him and from what you show me this is accurate.

The whole video kinda tries to set the tone as if they have some kind of shadow government they are inteviewing but I don't take it this way. To me this seems a think tank producing many ideas Trump likes so naturally Trump will work with them on the things he's also promising that you can find in Agenda47. But that doesn't mean anything they want or say is a default Trump policy or that the Project 2025 agenda will happen. You really think a man as bossy and egotistical as Trump is will run on someone elses platform? No, he's going to pick and choose and only take the stuff he likes. So for example he might accept that he has the power of the military to use on protesters but that doesn't mean he'd do that unless its neccesary. Trump has always reluctabtly used the national guard so its not his style to go all in.

So very interesting video but it doesn't make the case that Project 2025 will happen, merely that this think tank wants to make it happen. It does make the case that they are behind some of the drain the swamp ideas that I like and see Trump do in Agenda47.

[sawno]

Nispy = really. No idea how that ended up as nistpy, typing on mobile phones when just awake is hard.

[AviatorTom]

Simple, that it will fix at least some of the problems that exist in the US, same as any new administration should do.

[WatchedPot]

Good answer. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Everything about them has fraud written all over it. I wonder if they will ever explain the 16.5 million missing votes.

[WatchedPot]

Half the country is terrified and half is overjoyed.

[Opinion Owner]

And you have to wonder about those voting machine patents China gave Ivanka?

[Flower7]

That the country’s money is handled correctly and that it is given to Americans more and to other countries less.

[WatchedPot]

Sounds fair.

[Dargil]

Building the wall, stopping the invasion of illegals and selective mass deportations.
Freeing up oil and gas production.
Dispersing and dismantling the DC Swamp/Deep State.
Protecting US markets and producers.

[paledreams]

Hoping I'll be able to ignore press releases to global media so I don't have to hear about "American news* when I watch my local news here in Aus 🤭✌🏻🤭😈 after all, I only care about America when "the Democrats are in power" 😂😋😂😋💙🔵

[sawno]

Cleaning up the government, so all the free speech protection, health protection and getting rid of corruption.

[FunkyMonkee]

Getting the country back to the way it was before he was cheated out of his second term and then, making it even better!

[exitseven]

That the democrats stay out of Trunps way and let him fix the country they they broke. Put country ahead of party.

[Anonymous]

That they follow laws and the constitution and leave when the term is up

[John_Cobretti]

Project 2025

[In_Trance]

same as the last one