If I go to the DMV on Monday and change my gender to female, can I immediately start going into the girls locker room at my gym?

[Anonymous]

Theoretically, that is. Could the gym kick me out without getting sued and criminally charged? Misgendering is a crime in my state, so I could have the gym staff, and members, all arrested for calling me a man.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

You'd first need a court order and a gender change through your state before they would change your gender at the dmv. If you want to go through all that hassle just to spy on women then that's on you. I'd recommend sticking with your porn watching habits to get what you need from that and just leave women in the real world alone.

[Asker]

I don't need a court order in California. I just have to complete a form for the ID. It only takes a few minutes. Not a hassle at all really. Especially if you already have to go there for a renewal. Just do both at the same time. There is my qualifications either. They can't deny anyone unless they want to get arrested.

And wouldn't I be a real women if I believed I was one? What would qualify me as not real to you?

[Asker]

There are no*

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Do you believe you are one or are you doing it just to spy on women?

[Asker]

I believe I am one

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Then I believe it would just be down to the laws for your state.

[Asker]

alright then I'm all set. But I get the feeling I won't be too popular on Monday evening. It's a social barrier more than a legal one tbh.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Probably not, but things will start changing once you start hormones and get surgeries done

[Asker]

I don't think I could ever do surgery or hormones though, but I'm sure you're right about it. Thanks for having a chat with me about this all.

[msc545]

You need a court order in California unless you plan to later sue the state and the DMV employees which I don't suggest.

[Anonymous]

You can't change your gender at the DMV, that's just where you get the (already official) change applied to your drivers liscence. Depending on your state you will need a court order, letter of approval from a doctor, record of surgery, and maybe even more...

[Opinion Owner]

To answer your actual question though, your gender is mostly irrelevant to that kind of situation. Even if you were born a woman, you could be kicked out of a gym restroom and banned if someone claims you were being disruptive. Even if you were not a woman at all, you could sue for discrimination and claim you did nothing wrong. However, "theoretically," if this question is found in an account history attached to you email, you would certainly lose the case if you did sue...

[Asker]

In California we don't need any of that. We can change our gender anytime we want. And surgery isn't required in any state that I've ever heard of. Maybe some other countries require that though.

[Opinion Owner]

Proof of surgery is required in my own state, and a few others. Even in California, you need a court order to make it official. Only then can you take the order to the DMV and have the change applied to your liscence.

[Asker]

It's not required in California: www.csulb.edu/.../changing-your-gender

[Asker]

Why would this question negate my gender identity? I didn't say that I don't believe my gender to be the opposite of my biological sex. There isn't some objective metric that the government can apply to say that my gender identity isn't good enough either.

[Opinion Owner]

I was misinformed; you only need a court order if you move there, not if you are born there. You would need to fill out a declaration form instead—which is much easier.

None of this invalidates your gender. That's not what I meant at all. Because this is such a politicized topic right now, you could get kicked out of a bathroom no matter what your gender is, and you could sue for it no matter what your gender is. If you want to go into a women's bathroom, you don't need to get your gender changed legally to do that. It will not protect you if you do either. I'm trans myself, and have been using the correct restroom for over a year. If you live in a more liberal area you should have no issue as long as you behave normally.

[Asker]

Ah I understand your point then. Thank you for clarifying

[Opinion Owner]

You're welcome.

[DrPepper12]

Who cares. There's two genders. Move along. Nothing to see here..

[Asker]

I care. And even if there are two genders, our gender doesn't have to match the sex we were born as. And if there are more than two genders, is wouldn't change the fact that a male can still be a woman. With the full legal and ethical right to go into women's spaces.

[DrPepper12]

Gender and sex are different as you point out. 2 genders, many expressive sexes. IDC how anyone comports themselves, I support them 100% but biologically there are two genders

[exitseven]

It depends what state you live in. New York, Massachusetts or California you will be okay. Idaho or Florida or Texas prepare to get your ass kicked.

[msc545]

@exitseven Even the shithole States you named cannot casually violate people's civil rights even though you wish they could. At least not yet - maybe after January.

[exitseven]

@msc545 When I was a kid I saw many people get their civil rights violated and nobody said a peep about it.

[msc545]

Not in regard to this issue.

[exitseven]

@msc545 Maybe not but I thin if somebody pulled this crap at the gym I workout in there would be plenty of guys who would not think twice about violating his civil rights.

[msc545]

Assaulting people is illegal and can lead to fines and prison time as well as your own physical injury or death. I do not recommend it.

[exitseven]

@msc545 I get the feeling that most of these guys march to their own beat.

[msc545]

I think you are right but it is nothing to admire or emulate.

[RedInnocent69]

I bet you’d like that. Seriously, no one who’s actually trans does that. Funny how the creeps and pedos are always cis white guys

[Asker]

Like what? How do you know that no one that is trans does that? How do you know the race and gender status of anyone doing it? How do you know my race or whether I'm trans or not? Just because the question hurt your feelings doesn't mean you have magical superpowers. Where did you even get pedophilia from? Have you ever been capable of honesty in your entire life?

[RedInnocent69]

I did my own research. Unlike you who just blathered on with your chicken-shit hate-filled nonsense

[Asker]

Was your research at the hot end of a crack pipe?

[msc545]

Hypotyhetically yes.

[msc545]

To change your gender in California, you can:

File a petition: Fill out a petition to request a court order to change your gender and name. You can use the California Courts Self-Help (. gov) website to find the proper forms.
File the petition and pay the fee: File the petition and pay the fee, or request a fee waiver.
Get a court hearing date: Attend the court hearing date.
Receive a signed order: If the judge approves your request, you'll receive a signed order.
Update your legal documents: Use the signed order to update your legal documents, such as your birth certificate, driver's license, social security, and passport.

[Asker]

This might be out of date information. There's no court requirements here unless you're not from the state. Thank you for sending me information though.

[msc545]

You might be right - I am not sure. Are you going to do this? If so, I would be interested in hearing about how it goes for you.

[Asker]

I've been considering it for the better part of a decade. I don't know if I'll ever pull the trigger. My wife has always been supportive. It's just the logistics of it are something I can't wrap my head around. That's why I asked this weird and blunt question. It's not like the world suddenly sees someone as a woman just because the government gives you the title. But at the same time, what does it take? Do trans women just one day say "alright, I'm on the other side now. Wish me luck" or something?

Anyways, I'm ranting...

[msc545]

I think you can do this, although probably not easily. I think you would need legal assistance. Do you live in CA?

[Asker]

Yeah, born here so I'm fortunate enough to have a very easy process ahead of me compared to other states. It's literally three separate forms for DMV, SS and the records office for the birth certificate. I'm 100x more concerned about the social aspect though. That hurdle dramatically high in my mind

[Anonymous]

Go away troll

[Asker]

Does that mean yes, or no? It's a 100% legitimate curiosity, and has nothing to do with trolling. If you can't handle a simple thought experiment, that's on you.