What is non-invasive government?

[OddBeMe]

Someone said this to me. Don't remember who and it's crap.

[Anonymous]

Imagine a government that interferes in almost every aspect of your life, regulating, what you wear, what you read, what you can buy, your education, where you can travel to, who you can marry, how many kids you can have, what you can watch, what you can eat, what you can say, what you can believe and on and on. Basically imagine China with its social credit system. Say that you think unchecked mass immigration is a bad idea and the government freezes your bank account or jails you for hate speech.

Look at Canada, the government was so intrusive that it froze the accounts of protestors and anyone who tried to give them money or Britain who are arresting people for stuff they said on social media, one woman was arrested for live streaming a riot that was happening outside her home, apparently she was inciting violence.

How about if the government says you can't grow vegetables in your back garden? or collect the run off rain water? Or wear a crucifix in public? Or homeschool your kids? And so on.

That's all intrusive government.

[dustybiker2]

Can there be such a thing?
I mean government is like religion it's designed to control the masses only one is technicallylegal and one is sketchy.

[MisterWack]

“Non invasive government”….

Honestly, all government has to be somewhat ‘invasive’ and also boils down to what the citizens deem as ‘invasive’ too.

Tax collectors, surveilling internet / forum pages, investigating crime scenes for leads then interviewing possible witnesses / criminals, govt documents being able to pinpoint every citizen & their records within seconds from their database, etc.

I don’t think a govt (both Federal & Local Levels) could function without being a little teeny tiny bit ‘invasive’…

You know what would land under invasive? To enforce the Ten Commandments / Force Bibles in schools when all citizens have a right to freedom of religion which also means freedom from an established religion so you can opt out of such functions without it being forced upon you as an Atheist or nonbeliever of that one religious practice.

[OddBeMe]

Yesss

[MisterWack]

@OddBeMe I spoke on the basis of since a ‘non invasive’ government does not exist, I could not provide any definition or example…. However I was able to show how ‘invasive’ it feels to the everyday citizen though realize that it isn’t that invasive, small govt is better than big govt in my opinion & observation.

[OddBeMe]

I mean yeah... wherever there's no need, no govt. Social sec, Medicare, roads, police, etc.

[MisterWack]

Yeah no need = no govt, best way to put it.
More like no people & no human needs or desires = no need for govt

[OddBeMe]

Unfortunately that's a lot

[jshm2]

It's just bullcrap. Government is government and its main purpose is to buffer between the public and big business.

By continually cutting the power of government, you give more over to billionaires and corporations. Hence making them less subject to law and regulation.

Basically going back to a feudal system.

[Sevenpointfive]

we don't want government until we need it right? i understand it. it is theoretically a good system that is abused more than an orphaned child.

[OddBeMe]

Anything a govt does invades us. That’s its point

[Sevenpointfive]

don't you think overstepping that power was clear when it started? it's not a perfect system but that system no longer works. i'm not sure it ever did, but it used to try.

[OddBeMe]

How so? Police and fire are available. Roads. What's not working?

[Sevenpointfive]

where do you want me to start friend?

[OddBeMe]

Didn't I just ask?

[Sevenpointfive]

water, food, shelter, fire. those are the four things that a community needs initially

today it's water, food, shelter and power. (possibly a septic system)
based on mathematical equations all of these necessities could be provided for everyone on the planet. so why aren't they?

[Sevenpointfive]

you can add in hospitals and police and fire but it's not necessary. even a government isn't necessary. governmental bodies do nothing but harm society because they lost their ways. they are enriching themselves for a metal that was mined and means nothing. it has value but it's not that valuable.

what are they doing with the gold? maybe you don't know about isotopes, but you should. every country has them. they all have the capability to produce nuclear weapons. it's not just gold. the hydrogen bomb wasn't even a metal, but it requires one. i wonder?

[DrPepper12]

A fiction tbh. By nature it's an transactional diminunation of your natural rights. Who would even say that?

[OddBeMe]

Boom

[Snakeyes7]

No such thing as a completely non-intrusive government but the less intrusive it is on law abiding citizens, the better.

[OddBeMe]

Sure. The issue is every citizen is law abiding up until they're not.

[Snakeyes7]

And the more laws they make the more "criminals" they have to catch.

[OddBeMe]

Not really. There are also ancient laws that cost too much to "cancel"

[Snakeyes7]

Some of them are too culturally irrelevant to be enforced but that's rarely the case.

[Anonymous]

My religious self proclaimed prophet brother in law says non invasive government is one that doesn’t tell him he can’t marry 10 year olds.

[DrPepper12]

Seems like a nice guy... 😱😬

[OddBeMe]

Omg, big brother get out of my secual perver- I mean religion

[noohair]

Every government putsd their finger on the scale... Some lean harder that others...

[OddBeMe]

Yep... balance is always best

[Joshydavid25]

I guessing it means little to no government intrusion on civilian matters, which isn't crap.. We need it.. It's sound Anarchy..

[exitseven]

Thomas Jefferson said that the government that governs least, governs best. We seem to have lost our way because todays government has it nose in every part of out lives.

[OddBeMe]

Sure. Restricting women's right to choose

[exitseven]

They are making us buy shower heads that just allow the water to dribble out and are outlawing gas heaters. They want everyone to drive an electric car and they make companies only make washing machines that do not get clothes clean.

[OddBeMe]

Sigh... only builders constructing new homes. #research

[FreyaRed]

Who knows? It's a medical term.
Maybe a govt. that allows markets and society to regulate themselves?

[OddBeMe]

there's plenty of colostomy bills in congress.

[beefcakebradybatson]

One which stands idly by and watches the bosses screw the 99.99999999999999%!!! (Often with the assent of the victims !!!)

[NicholasRedone]

Sounds like a small r Republican's dream - you know the American type of Republican who prefers small government, small policies.

[OddBeMe]

Isn’t that still invasive?

[Anonymous]

A goverment that mediates disputes rather than trying to prevent them by commanding both parties ahead of time.

[OddBeMe]

Agreed. So get out of people's sex life

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
I didn't say I was entirely for a non-invasive goverment. Im ok with local and state governments being invasive as long as the people have the right to vote against them as individuals with their feet.

Unless of course your erroneously referring to the idea of abortion in which case there is very much a dispute between you and the baby over their right to live.

[OddBeMe]

No dispute that a baby legally has to be born.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme We don't dispute that you legally have to eat either, but we do dispute someone preventing you from eating just as we dispute someone preventing a baby from living.

A baby will be born unless it dies on its own or you kill it.

[OddBeMe]

Agreed. but a baby or person requires a birthrate. No dispute

[OddBeMe]

*birthdate

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
A person is entitled to many dates unless it dies on its own or is killed. The point of the state is the agreement we won't kill unilaterally each-other. That you would selectively dehumanize some of us to deny us the participation in that agreement is terrible but not at all unusual for leftist.

[OddBeMe]

That you would invade a woman's privacy and freedoms because you think a fetus is a person... is usually horrific for a rightist.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme If privacy were a valid excuse you could kill anyone and steal anything in the name of privacy.

It is an absurd statement to the abuse of court power to claim 'privacy' has anything to do with any act involving not just one but many other people. Many of them very much public organizations, and not all of them consensual.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
You don't get to unilaterally dehumanize someone because you would like to kill them for your personal convenience.

[OddBeMe]

Actually the law does that. Only people with birthdays exist. Don't like it? Change the law.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
We did change the law

[OddBeMe]

Oh? What are people then?

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme A person is a human from the point of conception

[OddBeMe]

States pass bullshit laws all the time. But adtual law is:

"natural persons acquire legal personality "naturally", simply by being born"

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
The fact that States do indeed pass bad laws all the time, doesn't change the fact that in America as that power isn't delgated States have the sole legal authority to make such a law.

If you want to talk natural law then you should actually consider nature, in which very few life forms are mammals and thus ever actually 'born'. So naturally life would have to begin at conception, We also don't define despise based upon what they look like at any particular age. But rather what they are in their DNA as best as we can tell.

Therefore you are human from the moment of conception, if you want to claim person-hood is somehow something more than a being a living human, then that is a non-verifiable religious believe not an objective fact on which we can ever agree much-less measure.

[Anonymous]

a government that doesn't spy on and censor its citizens online to control their speech, opinions and thoughts

[OddBeMe]

But restricts what we do with our bodies? As long as free speech is there

Free speech where? Twitter isn’t public.

[Opinion Owner]

all laws restrict what we do with our bodies

not allowed to steal from a shop? restriction on body

not allowed to drive without wearing a seat belt? restriction on body

not allowed to randomly enter the White House or Pentagon? restriction on body

not allowed to damage public or private property? restriction on body

not allowed to vote unless you sign up for the draft? restriction on body

not allowed to refuse 18 years of child support and must use body to go to work pay it off? again, another restriction on body

yeah I could go on and on but you'll find a way to not understand this

[OddBeMe]

Thats where you go. Not what's being done to your body. But yes I see your point

[Opinion Owner]

restricting mobility is restricting your body though

[OddBeMe]

Policing is restricting our bodies from movement. Not letting women choose brith control or trans people do... whatever they do... is restricting our actual bodies.

[Opinion Owner]

nobody is stopping women or trans people from getting birth control. either way the laws apply to everyone regardless of age, race, gender etc. maybe looks, money and status can offset that and even then they'd still be technically breaking the law if they did

do you drive without a seat belt?

[OddBeMe]

You may want to double check that claim

[Opinion Owner]

yeah I did. birth control is legal. this is a fact

now, do you drive without a seat belt?

[OddBeMe]

No bc I'm not an idiot.

[Opinion Owner]

if you were driving without a seat belt, should cops be allowed to pull you over and give you a fine? or is that telling you what to do with your body?

[OddBeMe]

Toughy. Cops do catch a lot of drunk drivers that way. Tint of their windows, one bulb being out.

With an enormous 2 ton death machine, I'm pretty ok with a stop and frisk police force. Driving is a privilege... like gun toting should be

[NathanDavis]

if we see oil... we invade

[NatalieKeller95]

anything that isn't New York State

[DrPepper12]

NYS is FAR from invasive!!

[Smegskull]

A government that fears It's public.