Why are governments so invasive?

[Juxtapose]

Civil asset forfeiture, holy shit can you just leave businesses alone? Why are you going after property owners who can't regulate every waking moment of their property instead of these Wall Street cocksuckers who semi-regularly crash our economy?

This is also part of a broader war on cash.

https://nomadcapitalist.com/finance/the-war-on-cash-civil-forfeiture/

In future generations they will want you to think that a cashless society is best and if you carry cash around you are not trustworthy. That is so the government can keep tabs on you at all times.

[DJB72]

For all human history governments have sought to exercise ever increasing levels of control over the masses. The West is moving away from any form of elected government and back into the system of unelected monarchy ruled by a few elites - at least until we, the new plebian class, rise up and execute their asses.

Each time it happens it's worse than before.

Egypt. Babylon. Greece. Rome. Each worse than the one before. In the last thousand years Europe tore itself apart. Each tyrannical monarch deposed was replaced by one worse. Kingdoms became empires.

Why exactly do you think it's going to change now?

For every Marcus Aurelius there's five Neros. For every Churchill there's three Hitlers, Stalins or Lenins.

And even the most benevolent leaders are corrupted by the power governance of a country comes with.

[Juxtapose]

In the darkest hours we must let our light shine the brightest and remain resolute. Evil can only prosper when good people do nothing.

[DJB72]

And when the wilfully ignorant can block you because you are better informed than they are 🤣

[Juxtapose]

The people who block you like that aren't going to get really far in an intellectual conversation to begin with. They aren't going to be up on some stage debating Jordan Peterson or something because they are too pussy.

[DJB72]

True

[Sargentcaptain]

Why wouldn't they? They always want more power and it's not like the peasants are ever gonna fight back. What do they have to lose?

[Juxtapose]

Everything.

If they can't get us to submit like the Chinese or the North Koreans, when the people snap the entire family lines of these corrupt politicians are going to be tortured and killed.

[Sargentcaptain]

> when the people snap

lol, lmao, keep dreaming

[Juxtapose]

Are you unaware of the French revolution and just how bloody it was? What about 1776? Are you so blind as a think it cannot happen?

[Sargentcaptain]

What would you say was the closest we've come to a revolution anywhere in the 1st world in the last 100 years?

[Juxtapose]

Texas's standoff against the Feds. One wrong move on either end could have led to America being remade.

[Sargentcaptain]

Yeah, right...

The simple truth is you're not gonna usher in a revolution cowering in you bedroom imagining a farfetched butterfly effect that itself doesn't even include you as a participant of the conflict.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah I don't give a shit about naysayers and what they say. People laughed at those planning the American revolution in bars but look what happened?

The first stage to anything like this is getting enough people on your side and like it or not dude, the internet is the public square now.

[Sargentcaptain]

> planning the American revolution

Are you doing that, or are you just sitting on your ass merely hoping the world would change?

> the internet is the public square now

You and I both know that 'public square' is called Tiananmen. Go on, tell the feds you don't like the system, maybe send me a postcard from Guantanamo.

[Juxtapose]

The first step in this process dude is getting as many people informed and educated about this is possible. Then you got to teach them how to properly apply their leverage non-violently.

No, you are wrong. The internet is a public square and is where the public has their debates.

[Juxtapose]

*as possible

[RealMarek]

The elite get more heavy handed the less secure they are in their power. The managerial elites ushered into power under FDR were experts at persuasion and manufacture of public consent. They were also competent at managing large, complex systems. Unfortunately, this oligarchy has grown to hate common Americans who are not members of their client demographic groups and, furthermore, their system is grinding into dysfunction due to its complexity and their own degrading competence. Thus, they are turning to ever more radical measures in an attempt to keep their grip on power.

[Juxtapose]

Beautiful answer!

[RealMarek]

Thanks!

[Doktorpete]

Why do you think the wall st and government people are two different things? The thing is, a capitalist society is not ideal, but at least has some freedom money wise.

Sort of, ok government fuck you but at least you can get mad at that and complain (which changes nothing)

[NYCQuestions1976]

It's because that's what far-left liberals and socialists want and vote for in every election: An expensive albatross government. They pretend to be intellectuals, but in reality, they want and need to be told what to do in their everyday lives by a big fat stupid bloated grim reaper government (unless it's late-term, third trimester abortions), and want to use others' tax dollars to fund their insane nonsensical ideas.

[Dongie]

Tyrants. Innocent till proven guilty. He should not have to prove shit. Burden of proof is on them.

[OtterMan68]

Because the right wants a police state and the left wants a nanny state

[Juxtapose]

Actually I would argue that the side that wants to criminalize free speech is the police state side. Although there is something to be said for the Republicans that were stupid enough to try and ban masturbation, dildos and shit like that.

[OtterMan68]

the right wants to shut down media it disagrees with. Trump threatens to pull the licenses of media outlets that don't cover him favorably. The right is banning books The right is trying to ban travel for pregnant woman to leave the state. The right is trying to force private media companies to not be able to ban users or speech and compel speech on private platforms, The right wants to repeal the 8th amendment so they can reinstate cruel and unusual punishment in prisons. The right wants Hispanics to carry citizenshihp papers. The right wants more cops, more laws, more prisons...

[Juxtapose]

Wow there's a lot of stuff here so I'm going to have to break it down.

1. Trump does not have authority to pull licenses on anything. Media companies are private.

2. There is no book banning. If you are referring to pornographic material being shuffled out of public schools? Then yeah, you're sick if you want that in there. Schools have a right to fill their library with whatever they want as long as it does not break law such as obscenity laws exposing children to pornography!

3. Banning travel for pregnant women and the whole abortion thing is pretty fucked up. I don't value a fucking zygote more than a woman so I am with you on that one.

4. Actually the digital square is now the public square and the social media companies should be treated like telecommunication companies. They should be made until utilities and they should be unable to police your speech whatsoever. You can save whatever you want on the phone for example but your telecommunications company is completely unliable for whatever you say. Just as it should be, you are liable for what you say. Censorship is an abomination and is un-american. We have editorial websites acting like they are platforms and reaping the benefits of platforms when platforms are supposed to be impartial and not police speech. If you police speech you are editorializing.

5. Some probably are, sure. The prison system is beyond fucked. Violent offenders should at least be separated.

6. No, they want criminal aliens deported mostly. I. D papers? No, deport.

7. California should certainly use more cops, more laws and more prisons right now.

[OtterMan68]

1: www.huffpost.com/.../trump-threatens-news-media-critical-of-him_n_651189ffe4b088d5608c6c94
2: Book bans on books about Rosa Parks and MLK becuase they might make the children of white snowflake parents feel bad.
4: PRIVATELY owned media companies are free to decide what speech they allow. They are NOT public utilities like internet usage, electicity, etc. The gov cannot compel speech no can they ban it
6: What probable cause will TX cops use to question someone's legal status?
7: The US imprisons more people than any other country. Louisiana leads the nation in prisoners per capita and has the higest murder rate. Has a GOP governor, who used be the state AG, and the GOP has run the legislature for years. They are all "tough on crime," but none want to do anything to prevent criime.

[Jamie05rhs]

@OtterMan68 The probable cause is "I saw your ass just walk across that line -- or swim across that river -- that you were not supposed to cross."

[OtterMan68]

@Jamie05rhs so they are only going to arrest people they actually see cross the border?

[Jamie05rhs]

@OtterMan68 Yeah; that's the idea.

[Snakeyes7]

Power and corruption seeks all who gives them an inking of concern that their rule will be overthrown.

[Dargil]

All they want is more power and more money.

[jahaims]

To gain power obviously