Is it ironic the Party of Lincoln is the party fighting to preserve confederate memorials?

[OtterMan68]

It's not like people learn history from statues.

There's a statue of Gen William Worth in NYC, and I'll wager 99% of New Yorkers have no idea who he is, so don't give me the argument that without monuments, people wouldn't know history. We have textbooks, non-fiction, lectures, etc to teach history.

Yes, because the GOP keeps bringing up that democrats were pro-slavery 160 years ago

No, it's what the party has become since Nixon's Southern Strategy

No, its' the democrats who want to preserve monuments to those democrats of the past

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For those of you saying "it's history," answer me this: is there any historical figure or group that does not deserve a monument? If monuments teach history, should any person or group be off limits to having a monument dedicated to him/them?

[Chazmatazz269]

Monuments don’t so much educate as remind us of our history. Those who fail to remember the past are doomed to repeat it. Tourists don’t come here to read our history books either. Monuments also serve the purpose of concisely highlighting important people and events for interested visitors. It’s narcissistic to think foreigners will visit to listen to modern US citizens bicker about veganism and flat Earth. Ell oh ell!
Also, the “tear all the monuments down” crowd tends to be the feelings over facts clan. They need to be reminded of history more than most. They just don’t know what is good for them. It’s not just poor parenting either. Those idiots find each other on the internet and then just feed more nonsense into their echo chambers. Some facts would do them more good than most! Ell oh ell!

[msc545]

Here we go again with that ridiculous argument that a name change automatically indicates a change in philosophy. It doesn't. Republican should stop relying on this stupid argument.

[DryGermanGuy]

Not just the name change, but also the completely misinformed analyses of political names. Our most rightwing mainstream party is named Christian-Social Union (CSU). The average American reads "social" and can't stop explaining to me, it's leftwing, because it contains "socialism".

[BonzoInBitburg]

You can still visit the gas chambers in Germany but that's not a celebration of Nazis, it's a reminder of history and something that shouldn't be repeated. Only a small community thinks Confederate statues is a rallying point for the south to rise again. It serves as a reminder of a dark time in history that shouldn't be repeated

[OtterMan68]

are there statues of the camp commandants?

[OtterMan68]

I have no problems with historic battlefields or museums.

[BonzoInBitburg]

They are small but they exist. It's a reminder of which side lost and who were the leaders of the losing side. And anyone who thinks that a statue of Robert E. Lee is a symbol of slavery doesn't know post civil war history. Can't take it down because of some people's ignorance.

[OtterMan68]

he fought for the Confederacy. Ever read the secession statements of the confederate states or the CSA Constitution?

[BonzoInBitburg]

Yes I have.

[RedInnocent69]

It’s more remarkable that Republicans think they’re not racist now because Lincoln freed the slaves. And yes, it has something to do with Nixon, but started even early with States’ rights. Those confederate statues weren’t all built during or immediately after the Civil War, or by Nixon.

[exitseven]

Destroying every trace of history does not erase it. Slavery was 250 years ago. Everybody who was involved with it is long dead It's about time people get over it.

[OtterMan68]

so slavery and the civil war are being erased from textbooks and the internet?

[exitseven]

If you tear down the statues and never talk about it eventually itwill disappear from our history. Kids today do not read about history or culture.

[OtterMan68]

how many kids today learn history from statues?
Did you know there's a statue of William Worth in New York City. I'll wager a Coke 99% of New Yorkers don't know who he is.

[exitseven]

@OtterMan68 Is he one of the guys that founded Woolworths department store?

[OtterMan68]

The guy Fort Worth, TX is named for. Hero of the Mexican-American War

[exitseven]

@OtterMan68 I learned something new today,.
Where I live they removed the statue of Christopher Columbus that the Italian American people erected. They also now call Columbus Day "Indigenous peoples day" . It is very insulting for Italian Americans.

[NamerOfStars]

This is just getting sad, man- your hate boner for conservatives is clearly clouding your judgement. At least TRY to step back and think about this rationally.

[CriticalCatDad]

History is important. Without the preservation of history, future generations wouldn’t know that morality won over selfishness. In a day and age where selfishness is making a major comeback.

[OtterMan68]

there are still textbooks, non-fiction books, the internet, museums, lectures, classes.

[CriticalCatDad]

Unfortunately no one is teaching it because people out there think democrats ended slavery when they were the party wanting to preserve slavery. The Republican Party formed in order to abolish slavery.

[OtterMan68]

so why are they so dead intent on honoring those who fought to preserve slavery?

[CriticalCatDad]

They’re not honoring them, dumbass

[OtterMan68]

it's not? The monuments spell out why the confederate states seceded?

[CriticalCatDad]

Who cares? That has nothing major to do with today. Move the fuck on

[OtterMan68]

yes, we should move on and remove those monuments to pro-slavery traitors

[KrakenAttackin]

Woke Finland still has a memorial to Fins who served with the SS. Why don't they get rid of it? Because it is a part of their history.

You wokeys are so afraid of basic truth.

[OtterMan68]

@KrakenAttackin you think people learn from monuments?
So you'd be OK with a monument to Eric Garner or Rodney King?

[KrakenAttackin]

Rodney King was another lowlife punk criminal.

[KrakenAttackin]

Only woke liberals believe rewriting history is acceptable... your "Ministry of Truth" is alive and well and another reason you must be stopped.

[CriticalCatDad]

Did you know, @OtterMan68, that the only US president who’s family tree never owned slaves is Trump’s?

[OtterMan68]

and that has what to do with his party beig so pro-confederate?

[KrakenAttackin]

@OtterMan68. We are pro history, accurate, and real history; not Orwellian double -speak..."double plus good, eh"?

[OtterMan68]

@KrakenAttackin is there any group of person in history who does not deserve a monument to preserve the history of that group or person?

[KrakenAttackin]

@OtterMan68. That's up to the locality. If the locals want to spend tax payer money to honor Crusty the Clown, that is their choice. I am not freaked out by bronze the way you are.

[AviatorTom]

No, why is that ironic? I'm sure President Lincoln would not want to forget history.

[OtterMan68]

is there any group or person from history that does not deserve a monument?

[AviatorTom]

Per your update...

It doesn't matter if anyone knows who the monument is about. But if all Confederate monuments were torn down, it would be like denying that the American Civil War ever existed, and that would be bad.

And, despite what people may think, Southerners who fought in the Civil War did so because they were defending their homes (most could care less about slavery or states rights or whatever other cause of the war you want to think of), and many died doing that. As The History Guy says, that is worth remembering.

[OtterMan68]

so people would not be able to learn about the civil war from text books?

[AviatorTom]

@OtterMan68 There are thousands. Here's one example... Lincoln's White House cook does not deserve a monument.

[KrakenAttackin]

Why are you so afraid of historical monuments? What do you want, a George Floyd monument in every town square?

[OtterMan68]

it all depends on the purpose of the monument. To honor those who fought for white supremacy and to preserve slavery?

[KrakenAttackin]

But you support statues of rapist, drug abusers, like George Floyd.

[OtterMan68]

No, you'd be OK with it because it's history, right?

[KrakenAttackin]

If LA wants a Rodney King statue, so be it.

[OtterMan68]

so you'd be OK with a George Floyd state on public property?

[AngryCarl]

What is so terrible about commemorating historical figures? If the Confederates had won no one would be complaining about a memorial.

[OtterMan68]

so let's put up memorials to Admiral Yamamoto and Field Marshall Rommel

[msc545]

Well that's not entirely true. The slaves would be complaining about it.

[Anonymous]

The confederacy surrendered and rejoined the Union after the war. Calling someone a Confederate soldier who lived beyond the Civil War is just ignorant.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don’t see the issue with them. Its a piece of our (US) history

[OtterMan68]

is there any figure from US history that does not deserve a monument?

[WhiteBoyChill]

Margaret Sanger

[OtterMan68]

but isn't she a historical figure? How will people learn about her if there are no monuments?

[WhiteBoyChill]

By extension, I guess you are suggesting Germans erect monuments of Hitler

[WhiteBoyChill]

Anyway, I like confederate monuments personally so I guess its different

[OtterMan68]

the people who think we learn history from monuments would be OK with that

[WhiteBoyChill]

Surely it isn’t everybody, but there are some that will go “oh what’s that” and read the plaque of a monument