One country invades another sovereign country with no "good reason". I'd say afghanistan deserved to be invaded atfter 9/11. We had a coalition. Putin was just mad his puppet govt was overthrown.
Why is the Ukraine war partisan?
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The invaded almost never recognizes the "Good reason" of the invader. Nonetheless in the anarchy between the nations of the world you can either defend yourself or it needs to be in the interest of someone who can's interest to do so.
The 13 states created the federal goverment to help them do exactly that, security isn't free it is one of the most expensive items on the list. Unfortunately nether is freedom for as necessary as governments strong enough to defend us from the worlds threats are, goverment themselfs unrestrained by ENFORCEABLE limits of a constitution are more often the greatest threat to the same.
NATO is an attempt at a kind of federalism for mutual defense as our federal constitution was, but it lacks the ability to motivate its members to pull their weight.
This is a partisan issue because Republicans have abandoned the traditionall values of the USA and decided to side with Putin and the Russian oligarchy. Traditionally everyone in the US would be on the side of maintaining Ukrainian soveriegnty simply in order to prevent the tyrant Putin from imposing his will on another nation illegally. Donald Trump, however, has shown in the past decade to absolutely adore the "strong men" in the wprld, Putin, Orban, Kim Jong Un (those two fell "in love" doncha know. So it's simply because the party of Trump objects. Meanwhie Elon Musk is claiming that subsidizing Spacex is not at all a partisan issue after having done terrible things to NASA. It's all about power and how they can use it to fill their coffers.
@AyChingao Its one thing to defend Europe from the USSR against which they can't defend themselfs. It is quite anther to bankroll the defense of a country that wouldn't defend us against an enemy with an economy smaller than Texas.
Althou in nether case is doing so consistent with any traditional value of the USA, a country who's first president warned us against such forign entanglements, and spent the first 150+ years as isolationist.
Both policies are just forms of military welfarism.
@monorprise defending Ukraine is EXACTLY consisrent with US policy since WW2 we stand with and assist nations against tyrants such as Putin consistently and with the aid of our NATO allies which Trump has already alienated just as he wanted to do. Economically I think you fail to understand reality. You act as if USA is just senselessly pouring money on the ground. Where do you suppose they will use those billions to buy their weapons? USA of course. What do we do? We sell them the older ones that need to be used soon. We are not currently in conflict so it is a perfect solution. They use the munitions that we will have to pay to destroy once they become unreliable. They pay us the money we sent in support, we pay the contractors to make more AND we support freedom and democracy in the world. It's never quite as simple as people like Trump make it out to be when all they want to do is wind you up and then point you at the target they want harrassed. It's been ten years of him spewing rhetoric. Figure it out.
@AyChingao America's Post world war 2 policie have been defroster betraile of what America is, everything from the standing army, to the monster state, to the endless forign wars that don't benefit us at all.
We are trying to go back to America's traditional forign policy and put America first again. That is what America was made to be, that is what our Constitution was actually designed for. Not to be the world's police man under an effectively lawless federal goverment.
The miltiary exist to protect our borders not some random country on the other side of the world. That is welfarism and after 80 years of it we can't afford it anymore.
@monorprise yes I know what you want. Your traetment of women's rights and bastardization of the ideals that have developed over time by trying to claim you want to go back to what the founders inrended is hateful and shortsighted. Back to a time whenn something like 6% of the population was eligible to vote. Big parts of the population were enslaved or in indentured servitude, and white men rode around murdering indigenous people at their whim. I'll tell you this. You are sitting here arguing for these values on GaG. This probably means that you aren't an incredibly wealthy individual. Certainly not enough so to gain Trump's or Musk's approval, and yet you behave as if you will be just fine and they won't do all the bad things to you because you're LOYAL!!! LMAO Be willing to bet you aren't among the 6%. The shits bout ta hit the fan too because of your nasty orange monkey... FAFO
@AyChingao Is your augment entirely based upon arrogantly assuming I want something I and others have repeatedly rejected?
Just because you don't share the values of some of the people who wrote a document doesn't mean the document itself wasn't a good idea. Nobody is either wrong or right on everything.
The founders put a lot of thought and effort into the nature of Goverment and built a system to keep it limited and free. Just becase they didn't all share your view on women, slavery, welfare, etc... doesn't mean their system which was built to address human nature of goverment power and doesn't really address any of those issues wasn't a good idea.
If you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater fine, but don't be surprised when we don't want to be your baby.
@monorprise I have no interest in discussing anything with MAGAts you all famously twist, distort and lie in the name of your dictator daddy. There is no basis in reality that can be held as a common ground that can be counted on not to shift and dissolve. Anything that will suit the current crock of bullshit from fearless leader is what will roll off your fingertips, accompanied by a refusal to admit the earlier lie you told that contradicts the current one... I'mm not arguing policy or history with a disengenuous liar that continually moves the goalposts... Cheera
@monorprise my news consumption habits are none of your concern. I've had discussions with people from your bubble over the course of a decade. You are all indoctrinated i a very similar way. NO productive discussion can be had and the current misinforation being spread is not hard to obtain, I assure you... buh bye now
Because the war was completely unnecessary. The Biden regime pushed their puppets in Ukraine to join NATO to get us military bases in the area despite Russian warnings. It's partisan because it's costing us taxpayers billions, we've basically wrote a blank check and we don't know where the money has gone and if the war continues we will pay billions more without hope of Ukraine ever paying that money back. The war has gone on for 4 years and Ukraine no closer to victory, anymore support will a waste of lives and taxpayer money.
Did Afghanistan deserve to be invaded? They didn't have anything to do with 9/11. The 9/11 terrorists were mostly Saudi Arabia funded by Saudi Arabians.
No we pushed for Ukraine to join NATO knowing exactly that the Russian response would be the exact same as the US at the prospect of Russian or Chinese military bases in say Mexico or Cuba. What happened when the Soviets tried to put nukes in Cuba in response to American nukes in Turkey? We shouldn't be pushing anything in foreign nations, we've done that too many times and it's ended too often very badly at the cost of lives often in the millions.
No. NATO has been expanding for years. Finland and sweden just joined and they have boarders with Russia. Georgia is not a NATO member. But in 2008 it was promised NATO membership at the Bucharest conference, in 2008 Russia invaded.
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It is partisan because there was an arrangement between Joe Biden and President Zelensky. Hunter Biden was the bagman. Zelensky put him on the Board of energy company Burisma even though he admittedly had no background in Ukraine or energy. He was paid $80,000/ Month for nobody knows what he did for that money which is 1 million dollars a year. Joe Biden gave Zelensky a blank check for weapons and other expanses. The US actually paid for the pensions of Ukrainians. Tens of Billions of US dollars was shipped to Ukraine with little or no oversight. Nobody knows where all that money went. Zelensky knows enough about the actions of the Biden crime family to get them locked up so Joe Biden went in front of the cameras with Zelensky and said the US would fund the war wiht Russia" For as long as it takes".
Because unfortunately the Democratic party has become the pro war party. "No good reason" we inched NATO to Russia's border, carried out a coup in 2014 overthrowing Ukraine's government and replacing it with a pro western government, Ukraine was killing ethnic Russians in the eastern part of Ukraine and we tried to make Ukraine a NATO member which was a big factor for the war. Don't have to be MAGA or a Trump supporter to see the war for what it is, a proxy war to enrich defense contractors while inflicting damage to Russia at the expense of a generation of Ukrainian men. War would have never happened had we never overthrew the Ukrainian government and left them to remain neutral instead of trying to make them a NATO member which was always a red line for Russia just like Soviet missiles in Cuba was a red line for US
If you think that's a good reason for war, I got news for you, they aren't the only ones hacking other countries, US, Israel and some others are just as guilty of hacking.
I'm not defending China, I'm opposing war over something the US government is guilty of doing. I you really want war with China, grap a gun and go fight yourself.
You didn't overthrow the government. Viktors security detail got fed up with the guy living in luxury while not paying them that much and left him on his own after which he fled. And Ukraine was only seeking a trade deal with EU that time. There wouldn't have been enough support for NATO membership if Russsia had not moved in troops so if Ukraine ever ends up being a member of NATO then orcs can just blame themselves.
where is your proof that Afghanistan was behind 9/11? and just like the Bush Administration lied to the public to look for an excuse to invade them then Zelenskyy could be a liar too.
or are you that stupid? do you really trust the MSN that much? do you ever think for yourself?
says the real dumbass who thought it was a thing because the NEWS told him it was.
everybody with a brain cell knows by now that the Bush Administration was behind 9/11. they needed an excuse to invade the middle east and justify Bush's ulterior motives on attacking Iraq and finishing the dirty work his daddy started
I would say that it was because of Biden bragging about threatening to withhold a billion dollars. To save his little boy. Then trying to bury Trump for his “perfect” phone call. In my mind Biden was the one that should have been charged with the Quid pro quo’s!
Ask the Bush administration, the Obama administration, and the Biden administration. That's when Putin has done all of his invading and annexing (Georgia, August 2008; Crimea, February 2012; greater Ukraine, February 2022).
Because.. he faced the most opposition during Obama/Biden years. Massive sanctions and supporting democracy doesn't go down well with Putin. Trump does. Wonder why?
@OddBeMe Nearly 78 million people voted for Trump. His approval rating is high, and vast majority approve of how he's handling everything. Even polls from CBS and CNN show this. The days of you sniveling leftists gaslighting the masses are finally and rightfully over. Less drinking, more therapy.
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